Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 11 May 2025 15:13 | #

The pressure on Putin mounts:

Erdogan assented to offer a platform for negotiations but says:

a window of opportunity for peace has opened, and a comprehensive ceasefire will create the necessary conditions for peace talks.

Merz has responded thus:

First the guns must fall silent, and then negotiations can begin. We expect Moscow to now agree to a ceasefire that will make real negotiations possible.

Posted by lurker on Mon, 12 May 2025 06:56 | #

This was a great blog when it started. Then it turned very libertarianish. Nowadays it’s like something straight out of a CIA/FBI limited hangout spook show.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 12 May 2025 07:46 | #

Lurker,

Right now, the most critical challenge facing nationalists in the west - an existential question for us - is the struggle for a new world order between western and eastern globalists, whose models do not vary on technocracy but they do on the potential for rebellion.  The great majority of nationalists have not worked this out, because they are too focussed on near things - for example, race-replacement - and too attracted to shallow and convenient conclusions.  By the latter I mean the binary approach to the Russo-Chinese drive for global hegemony which is supposedly advantageous to us.

When pushed, our guys will admit that it would be easier for us to overthrow western liberals than eastern authoritarians.  But they will not follow the logic any further.  The posts you dislike here do precisely that.

There is one other consideration.  If nationalism in Ukraine is not supportable, on what objective grounds is it so in our land?  Ethnic nationalists must be morally and intellectually consistent, or we are nothing.

Posted by Thorn on Tue, 13 May 2025 13:16 | #

@2

From the high board, MR took an abrupt nosedive into the deep end of an empty concrete swimming pool. That’s what happened when GW foolishly gave control of it to DanielS.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 13 May 2025 23:28 | #

Thorn, MR always had an educational purpose underneath educating folk about the issues affecting peoples of European descent.  There was only one student for that covert aspect and it was me!  When I did not uncover the desired stepping stones to racial and political consciousness I had to find some other use for the site.  Daniel had come here when he was still working editorially with MacDonald at OO.  I hoped he might be able to develop MR into a similar but more theoretical medium capable of addressing the questions which originally interested me.  The rest you know.  I would have accepted the reduction in readership if he could have developed that project.  In the event he couldn’t, and we lost the readers anyway.  My mistake, of course.  But we are where we are, and I’ll just do my best to make the proceedings original and stimulating.  Perhaps an apology to you and Leon Haller on my part might not go amiss - Daniel was a censorious and headstrong individual, and struggled against himself and everybody else, which I did not know at the beginning.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 14 May 2025 13:02 | #

“Perhaps an apology to you and Leon Haller on my part might not go amiss”

No need to apologize, GW. No need at all.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 14 May 2025 22:54 | #

Very good of you, old chap.

I see that Mr Putin has baled out of the talks in Istanbul he himself suggested.  It’s odd because there would have been an opportunity to play on Trump’s narcissism via an offer of peace (opening, of course, to Russkiy Mir).  If he was confident that the US president would fall for it he would have flown to Turkey.  As it is not even the ghastly Lavrov will be there.  The talks have died before they even began.  So now the spotlight is on what Trump will do next.

He ought to bring pressure to bear on the recalcitrant party.  He may, to a degree.  But, ultimately, he won’t or can’t veer from his course of breaking open the rules-based order and instituting an order of force in concert with Russia and China (on which Putin is likely counting).

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 15 May 2025 10:12 | #

I see that Mr Putin has baled out of the talks in Istanbul he himself suggested.

It’s sad that the conflict will continue, resulting in massive loss of life among both Russians and Ukrainians.

Both Russia and Ukraine were already facing population decline due to birth rates below replacement level, and this situation only worsens the issue significantly.

Of course, that outcome was anticipated before the war was provoked by external influences.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 May 2025 10:16 | #

Trump the man-child, hopelessly self-referential and low-brow, explaining Putin’s rejection of peace:

I actually said, ‘Why would he go if I’m not going?’ Because I wasn’t going to go. I wasn’t going to go. I would have gone, but I didn’t plan on it. And I said I don’t think he’s going to go if I’m not going.

Zelensky, jilted at the alter:

There were signals of direct negotiations. Ukraine confirmed them today [on 15 May – ed] here in Ankara. Our delegation is of the highest level, including representatives from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, my Office, the military and intelligence, to make decisions that could lead to a just peace.

As for the high-level nature of the meeting, we will begin discussions with President Erdoğan and Türkiye’s full delegation. We are in contact with the American side, and I believe they will also be represented at a high level in Türkiye.

The level of the Russian delegation remains officially unknown to me, but from what we see, it appears more decorative than substantive. We will decide our next steps after talks with President Erdoğan. We must understand the Russian delegation’s level, their mandate and whether they have the authority to agree to anything independently. It is well known who makes decisions in Russia.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 May 2025 10:24 | #

It’s time to moralise, Thorn; and give up this idiotic need to justify the monstrous and serial imperialism of Russia.  The evidence is now in and it’s incontrovertible.  If “the west” or “Neocons” or the CIA or NATO, or whatever, had “provoked” then Putin and his circle could not be the war party, but must be victims of it; and must desire peace.  So why did Putin wriggle out of a 30-day ceasefire and why did he not travel to Istanbul to refute the claims of the Europeans and declare his desire for peace and reconciliation?

How badly do the Russians have to behave ... how many war crimes and crimes against humanity do they have to commit before you will see straight and end the moral relativism?

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 15 May 2025 13:25 | #

Western leaders are well aware of the risks of waving a red flag in front of a raging bull, yet they did so with the Maidan Coup. The bull charged, leaving the Ukrainian people to bear the consequences. However, this seems irrelevant to Western leadership, whose primary focus appears to be regime change in Moscow. How ethical is it for Western leaders to provoke such actions? I’d say they are morally bankrupt.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 May 2025 13:59 | #

So how did “western leaders” force the Ukrainian people to rise up and overthrow a lying Russophile president and satrap?

This MAGA garbage, if role-reversed and followed literally, would make MAGA itself a Russo-Chinese coup, with the actual wishes of the MAGA electorate somehow discounted or simply excluded from the equation.  Peoples are not mere adornments to Power.  They are greater than Power, which they teach the powerful at certain seminal moments in the history of the nation, tearing them down if necessary.  Nationalists should know and revere the will of the people above all things.  It is morally inconsistent not to grant, if not reverence, then certainly respect to the will of other peoples, if one desires the will of one’s own to be respected.

And another thing!  Even if one was suggestible enough to believe that Russia never really wanted to conquer Kiev and overthrow the elected government, and it was all because of the bad, bad “western leaders” ... even if one believes that, still the problem of responsibility for what happened next arises.  Did these “western leaders” cause the poor Russian Army to commit the atrocities of Bucha and Irpin?  Did “western leaders” cause the Russian Army to construct torture chambers and kill and maim civilians?  Did western leaders cause the Russians to shell, bomb, and missile civilians all across Ukraine?  Did “western leaders” force the Russian state to steal thousands of children?  Did “western leaders” cause Russian officers to order the summary execution of prisoners?  Etcetera, etcetera.  When do you start pinning responsibility for Russian actions on Russians?  Do you realise how like the left’s blaming white people for the failings of non-whites your present strategy is?

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 15 May 2025 14:36 | #

“So how did “western leaders” force the Ukrainian people to rise up and overthrow a lying Russophile president and satrap?”

The same or similar way the CIA orchestrates all their regime change and or election meddling operations.

The CIA has mastered the art of orchestrating election meddling and regime change revolutions. History proves they have a lot of practice at it.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 May 2025 15:22 | #

Not an answer.  How, precisely, did the CIA bring thousands of Ukrainian men, women and children out on the streets in winter and across the nation?  Why are you rendering these people mere mechanoids helpless before the supposed machinations of the masterful CIA?  Lies told by Russian operatives are not a basis for moral judgement.

It is notable that a certain silence is falling across the MAGA crowd at Breitbart and TCW as the depravity of Moscow’s attacks clarifies in the public mind, and as the Muscovite yammering about “denazification” and what-have-you becomes ever more tiresome.  Those with the greatest capacity for faith will be the last to give it up, but everyone will have to give it up in the end.  Those with some semblance of self-awareness will wonder how the hell they ever believed the Nuland rubbish, the NATO rubbish in the first place.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 15 May 2025 15:46 | #

Ukraine is a diverse nation, both culturally and politically. A significant portion of the Ukrainian electorate leans towards pro-Russian policies, as evidenced by Yanukovych’s election in 2010. The Ukrainian electoral map clearly highlights the stark political divide within the country. How did the CIA organize a coup? The CIA exploited and took advantage of the anti-Russian leaders and factions in Ukraine, while most people simply went along to get along.  Sheeesh!!!!

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 May 2025 20:31 | #

This again is a planted narrative.  There has never been anything remotely like a majority of Russian speakers who support Putin’s war-machine.  Here is some hard information from Wiki:

In the poll conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology between 13 and 18 May 2022, 77% of Ukrainians living in Russian-occupied territory said they did not support any territorial concessions to Russia, even if it would prolong the war.[82] A KIIS poll conducted in September 2022 found that 87% of Ukrainians opposed any territorial concessions to Russia, up from 82% in May 2022. Only 24% of ethnic Russians in Ukraine supported territorial concessions to Russia.[83]

You do now need to put away the garbage, Thorn, and do some due diligence.  While you are at it, find out how, in 2014, the CIA got all those ordinary Ukrainians out on the streets across the country.  You won’t and they didn’t, of course.  Respect the will of the people.  Which is what this is all about (ie, what it’s not about is the anti-white action of the “deep state” in the west).

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 15 May 2025 23:16 | #

“This again is a planted narrative.  There has never been anything remotely like a majority of Russian speakers who support Putin’s war-machine.”

Of course not. I never said there was. There were many Ukrainians who were ethnically Russian, and most have left the country since the invasion. However, claiming that there has never been a majority of Russian speakers supporting Putin’s war machine is a strawman argument.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 May 2025 23:34 | #

No strawman.  On my travels I encounter nationalists, tradcons, MAGA folk who quote the four September 2022 referendums at me, as well as the earlier referendum in Crimea, to demonstrate the justice of Putin’s land-grab.

I would also emphasise that the Donbas Russophiles who went east from 2014 onward were matched by the Ukrainians who went west. What was left in 2022 should have been Russia-friendly.  But they’re not.

You are on the wrong side, and you are confused about everything.  But actually it’s all very clear.  If only you would do your own thinking!

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 16 May 2025 10:08 | #

GW,

Setting aside your “Putin bad, Ukrainians good” paradigm, let’s ponder what Ukraine will be like once the war ends.

Let’s assume Russia exits Ukraine altogether except for Crimea.

Now, considering that approximately 1.5 million young men have been killed or seriously disabled, along with around 11.4 million Ukrainians who have fled the country, and most are unlikely to return, a critical question arises: who will rebuild the nation? Who will make up the workforce? In business, workforce availability is an essential factor, and Ukraine will undoubtedly face a severe shortage of workers needed for its reconstruction. So where will the necessary workers come from? I think the answer is obvious. Ukraine will fast become one of the most “diverse” countries in Europe.

In retrospect, from a white preservationist or ethnic nationalist’s perspective, was overthrowing Viktor Yanukovych worth it?

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 16 May 2025 10:45 | #

It’s not that and it’s not a paradigm.  It’s ethnic nationalism.  The will of imperial rulers is bad in principle.  The will of the people is good.

The Germans and Poles seem unlikely to retain their current Ukrainian populations when stability returns.  The French position is unknown to me, but Macron has been closer to the action than anyone, and will logically desire Ukrainians to return and benefit their country.  Brussels wants Ukraine inside the Union, and that would normally raise the problem of Schengen and free movement.  But the last German government effectively hobbled Schengen by imposing tight border controls last September.  The other member states are moving pretty constantly to the right.  The high water mark of refugeeism is long past.  In the UK, Starmer will want to keep hold of anything and anyone foreign, notwithstanding the semi-Powellite, anti-Reform message on immigration he is putting out at this moment.  That’s just a ploy to hang on to his MPs at the next General Election, and it convinces no one.

Much of the rebuilding of Ukraine’s damaged infrastructure will be funded by the western banks and executed by western corporations.  Importing labour does not mean importing migrants.  But it will likely be different in the occupied areas.  Imperialist Russia has always moved populations around, and Putin is already doing this.  His greater problem is probably going to be money.  In theory, he could rebuild with the moneys Russian oil and gas can earn once sanctions are lifted.  But the question there is what price energy will be.  It’s mighty low now because of Saudi intervention in supply volumes.  Russia’s energy sector may not escape from the current fire-sale approach as quickly as expected.

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 16 May 2025 23:06 | #

Russia is standing against totalitarianism, while the UK is actively embracing and promoting it.

https://youtu.be/NE7tmaXErSk

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 16 May 2025 23:39 | #

How can a dictator who murders or jails or exiles literally all his opposition at every level, and operates a total security state, be anything other than politically totalitarian?  How can any sane person mistake that for freedom?

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 16 May 2025 23:43 | #

Sounds like you are talking about Biden

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 17 May 2025 07:41 | #

So it seems that Trump, stupid, capricious, weak, vain man that he is, forced (ie, blackmailed) the Ukrainians to meet Putin’s mouthpieces in Istanbul, and then sabotaged the meeting by telling the media that nothing would be settled until he meets with Putin personally, thus inviting his psycho love-object in Moscow to manipulate him into a stitch-up.  Which the man-child will call “peace”.  Naturally.

The Ukrainians will say no, as they must.

The MAGA strategy of pulling Russia away from China is utterly misconceived.  Russia has to be weakened, not appeased.  Appeasement only leaves the adversary stronger, rewarding and confirming its course hitherto, entrenching its internal politics and its external strategies, emboldening its next moves ... not challenging them, not opening eyes to the wisdom or necessity of other actions and other courses.

Supposedly, MAGA’s Russia policy was formulated by Kellogg.  He can’t be much of an historian of the 20th century.  The result is this, from The Spectator’s article by Svitlana Moronets, who has a direct line to the Ukrainian party:

In the first meeting between Ukrainian and Russian delegations in three years, Moscow demanded Kyiv withdraw its troops from the four regions Vladimir Putin has claimed but failed to capture completely. When Ukraine refused, Russia’s chief negotiator Vladimir Medinsky reportedly threatened to seize even more: Kharkiv and Sumy regions next. He warned that Russia is prepared to fight forever, before asking: can Ukraine? ‘Maybe some of those sitting here at this table will lose more of their loved ones.’

So not gangsters, then; no, no, not at all.  Just the Russo-Chinese new world order in action.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 17 May 2025 11:18 | #

“Supposedly, MAGA’s Russia policy was formulated by Kellogg.”

Kellogg has been pushed aside, seen as too close to Z and too much of a neocon to contribute positively to the peace process.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 17 May 2025 11:35 | #

GW, you feel threatened by Putin’s mindset, yet this is the very mindset that’s causing the destruction to jolly old England.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 17 May 2025 13:19 | #

You are still operating on the assumption that an authoritarian world order determined by the will of great powers will leave your little liberal life just as it is.  You haven’t moved the big pieces around inside your head.  You haven’t understood that change of this kind and magnitude has profound consequences for all of us, especially the young.  Eventually, the tide of authoritarian power will reach every corner.

It is not our nationalism.  Not in any way.  It’s just another global dictate, still technocratic and corporatist, still full of the sense of its own power, still coercing socialism on the little people, still utterly dismissive of the sanctity of human life, etc.  What will happen to liberalism is what happened to Ceaucescu’s communism in Romania in 1989.  Overnight, the main players in government and the state machine, and in business and banking, the law and so forth, will sashay seamlessly from their soft authoritarianism under the rules-based system to something unconstrained and implacable, foundationally Asiatic, and utterly alien to our sociobiology.  It will become the great enemy, and a much more dangerous one to oppose than the rules-bound order.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 17 May 2025 16:14 | #

GW, I prioritize liberty above all, as it is guaranteed and outlined in our (the USA’s) Christian-inspired Constitution and Bill of Rights.

That said, in Western countries, cultural Marxists have been working tirelessly to undermine and take over institutions. The “long march through the institutions” has been in full swing since the 1960s. Their main strategies include promoting massive immigration from third-world countries (race-replacement) and spreading anti-white propaganda through schools, mainstream media, and the entertainment industry. This is accompanied by the erosion of moral and intellectual standards, leaving our nations vulnerable to an authoritarian takeover.

This Johns Adams quote comes to mind: 

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 17 May 2025 18:44 | #

The liberal individual and the radically-equal neo-Marxist grow from the same Judaic root.  G-d is God.  “His” works in Man are not for Man but for the tribe “He” chose.  Supposedly.  But for that 99.5% which is the mere rest of humanity there is definitely Christian universalism and there is definitely that individualism which is the bloodless artifice of “the eternal soul”; and so it passes into the left and right of the grand post-Christian philosophy of the west.  A fake religion generates a philosophy of singular self-estrangement.  I, We is what is real.  It’s all there really is.

Know what Christ, liberalism, America, Marx are within the formation of your own world and personhood.  Knowing is the way to being, and it’s a hard, raw, authentic awakening.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 17 May 2025 23:19 | #

G-d or God and the “Chosen” aside, the strategy of cultural Marxists is to create social chaos in order to present communistic type authoritarianism as the solution. The Democratic Party in America tacitly holds those core beliefs. Surely you understand that.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 18 May 2025 00:50 | #

I agree with Adolf that the greatest blow our race ever suffered was the impost of the Christian religion.  Its character accords with its beginnings as a typical means by which an alien empire - Constantin’s Rome in this case - might break the bond between blood and land.  It opened the way to other Judaic products with the same aim.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 18 May 2025 10:53 | #

Over the centuries, countless conmen, hucksters, and various types of criminals have exploited Christianity to take advantage of desperate people for their personal gain.

There are currently 40,000 denominations of Christianity, and I believe at least 39,995 of them are illegitimate.

Furthermore, any faith-based belief system apart from true Christianity is not valid. Every single one.

God has blessed us with the freedom to choose, GW. Make your choices carefully and wisely.

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 19 May 2025 12:12 | #

This is new to me, and I find it quite interesting. Worth further exploring.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 19 May 2025 16:50 | #

I think it is commonly accepted that Zoroaster’s influence was wide-ranging.  The writer of that passage over-iced the cake.  First Temple Judaism was the principal source for Second Temple Judaism, and with the arguable exception of Pythagoras the pre-Socratics probably did not greatly think in religious terms, if at all.  Worship of the gods was absent from later Greek philosophy, obviously.  Indeed, it is only weakly presented in Greek myth.

When I was young I read the heroic Epic of Gilgamesh, and pondered the meaning of his contest with Enkidu.  I suppose now that it dramatised the conflict of Man as raw nature and Man as city-builder and wielder of technology.  The stone tablets date from Ur of the Chaldees.

Posted by Thorn on Tue, 20 May 2025 23:13 | #

Ukraine Negotiations Still Hover Around Its Root Cause

The most important sentence from President Trump about yesterday’s phone call between President Putin and him is this:

Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a Ceasefire and, more importantly, an END to the War. The conditions for that will be negotiated between the two parties, as it can only be, because they know details of a negotiation that nobody else would be aware of.
The most important sentence by President Putin about yesterday’s phone call is this:

Notably, Russia’s position is clear. Eliminating the root causes of this crisis is what matters most to us.
Russia will not fall for ending the war without having achieved its main goal.

Western media, here the NY Times, continue to play dumb (archived) about what the Russia’s main goal is:

[Putin] repeated his mantra that a peace deal needs to “remove the root causes of this crisis,” referring to Russia’s pursuit of wide-ranging influence over Ukraine.
David Ignatius, a CIA spokesperson at the Washington Post, makes a similar (archived) nonsensical claim:

He still wants victory, which he described once again after Monday’s call with the phrase “eliminate the root causes of the crisis.” That’s code for his conviction that Ukraine cannot be a European country, as it wants, but must remain under Russian hegemony.
Russia as well as Ukraine are European countries. Russia has no interest in having ‘hegemony’ or ‘wide-ranking influence’ over Ukraine. Its interest is the defense of the Russian Federation. It had to prevent Ukraine from becoming a U.S. (NATO) spear tip aimed at its heart.

A different NY Times piece about the Russian northern defenses build up after Finland joined NATO is far more correct when it states (archived):

From Moscow’s perspective, the Russians need to bolster their defenses to protect themselves from NATO expansion, which has always been a sore subject. The Baltic nations were the first members of the former Soviet Union to join NATO, bringing large stretches of Russia’s border up against NATO’s. The prospect of Ukraine, an even bigger former Soviet republic, following suit was so threatening to Moscow that it became one of the causes of the most devastating land war in generations.
It is NATO expansion, not Ukraine the country, that is the root cause of the war. It is NATO expansion that has to be eliminated.

The U.S. and its European allies are still in denial of that. To ignore that the U.S. has, for over 30 years, been driving the NATO expansion that led to the war, allows Trump to play a ‘mediator’ in war in which the U.S. is a dominant participant.

It is stupid for western media to accept Trump’s claim (archived) of such a role:

It is stupid for western media to accept Trump’s claim (archived) of such a role:

After phone calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Trump posted that “Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a Ceasefire and, more importantly, an END to the War”.
...
In remarks that indicated that Washington may be stepping back from a role as a mediator, Trump said the “conditions” for a deal could only be agreed by the warring parties “because they know details of a negotiation that nobody else would be aware of”.
...
Trump also said that immediately after his call with Putin, he recounted the conversation to Zelenskyy together with the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Finland and the European Commission.  (1)
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But two people briefed on the call with the European leaders said Trump was clear that he would pull the US back from engaging with the conflict and leave Ukraine and Russia to directly negotiate a ceasefire. He also made no promise of future US sanctions against Russia should Putin refuse any peace attempts. One person familiar with the conversation said the leaders were stunned by the US president’s description of what was agreed. They added it was clear Trump was “not ready to put greater pressure” on Putin to come to the negotiating table in earnest.
Trump is pretending to wash his hands (archived) over Ukraine:

The US desire to disengage has been flagged for weeks, by Trump himself but also by secretary of state Marco Rubio and vice-president JD Vance, who have repeatedly expressed frustration with Russia and Ukraine in equal measure. Vance told reporters on Monday that the US might ultimately have to say: “This is not our war.”
The U.S. can not be a mediator in a war, or wash its hands over it, when it continues to supply weapons and the all important field intelligence and communication means needed to wage it. Only yesterday the U.S. allowed Australia to send (old) U.S. made tanks to Ukraine.

Trump’s claims of disengaging from the war has yet to be confirmed by any evidence that he is really going to do so.

The only thing Trump did reject so far was to join the European attempts to escalate the war by inserting their own troops into it.

Having learned from the economic disaster his tariffs have caused Trump also rejected plans to impose secondary sanctions in form of 500% tariffs on anyone who continues to buy oil from Russia.

Aside from that Trump has kept support for the war on the same level as before and only refrained from expanding it.

That he is, for now, leaving the negotiations to Russia and Ukraine, is an admission that he has failed to keep his election promise of making peace.

The U.S. will have to reengage in negotiations if peace is to be achieved. It is U.S. (NATO) expansionism that has cause the war. 

Russia needs to remove the root cause, U.S. (NATO) expansionism, to achieve peace.

A complete victory in Ukraine is a necessary but not yet sufficient condition for that.

But chances are good that the further disagreements over the defeat of Ukraine will rip NATO apart.

That might be the victory President Putin has on his mind.

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(1) The FT claims that: “[Trump] recounted the conversation to Zelenskyy together with the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Finland and the European Commission.

But Trump’s statement does not mention Britain at all: “I have so informed President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, President Emmanuel Macron, of France, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, of Italy, Chancellor Friedrich Merz, of Germany, and President Alexander Stubb, of Finland, during a call with me, immediately after the call with President Putin.”

It seems like, despite the FT’s claim, Prime Minister Starmer was left out in the cold on this.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/05/ukraine-negotiations-still-hover-around-its-root-cause.html#more

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 21 May 2025 05:45 | #

You read a lot of poor and questionably incomplete analysis.  Have you ascertained whether this guy is in some part ethnically Russian?  He has either been gullible enough to swallow the Moscow line, or he is an activist for Moscow.  How do I know?  Well, he employs the exact term “root causes” which Peskov, Putin and Lavrov retail, and which is unused by anyone outside of Russian political circles.  Your Alabama bloke’s acceptance that there are such causes, and they are real, is unquestioning.  But respectable geopolitical analysts do question it, and look beyond to the wider strategic considerations in play.

The core of it is that Moscow’s elites will be wholly irrelevant in the western technocratic form of globalism which has been advancing in recent decades.  For Putin, China is the key.  It can be within that technocratic scheme as a geo-economic power, if it so chooses.  That would be a disaster for the Russian elites, whose economic base is smaller than Italy’s and only a little larger than Spain’s.  But then if China does not choose geo-economics alone, but pursues a global political and military hegemony of its own, the Russian elites are again under threat - this time from the east.

This was the Russian existential crisis which became apparent in the years after 1990, and which Putin immediately set about addressing when he came to full power in 2000.  Alliance with China was the chosen course, and the internals of it were to steer Beijing away from the principle of economics and towards the principle of raw power (which, anyway, is the five century old characteristic of Moscow’s political life).  International restraints on power ... the rule of law, the assumption for democracy, the institutions of internationalism ... had to be broken.  Force had to be the determinant of Moscow’s global destiny, meaning dominion over peoples and nations externally just as Moscow has dominion over peoples and nations internally.  Dominion would then be established via (a) “Russification” of immediate neighbours in part or full, and (b) a circle of influence in the nations beyond (“Russian World”).  This would instaurate force as the global standard, thus shattering the western scheme.  A global empire of competing empires would ensue, and be labelled “multipolarity” while actually operating under Russo-Chinese hegemony.

Accordingly, Putin’s strategy isn’t directly about the offence to Moscow that is Ukrainian or Belarussian, Moldovan, Baltic national freedom (please let’s not use Moscow’s language about the west and NATO or whatever, which is of a piece with the language about Zelensky’s dictatorship or Nazis in Kiev – it’s poison).  This is about the conquest of force over economics, dominion over freedom, and enduring violence over peace.  It’s about the replacement of the life of peoples and nations with something they will not like at all, but which supplies Moscow’s elites with the place in this world which they think they merit.  That’s it.  Any other suggestion is, at best, a failure of the intellect or, at worse, a mind virus.  You appear to be getting the virus everywhere you go.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 21 May 2025 10:54 | #

Okay, GW, I see your point and it’s a solid one. Frankly, you’ve expressed the Western perspective more clearly than anything I’ve come across so far. Well done!

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 21 May 2025 14:19 | #

“They Want War” - Martin Armstrong Slams European Leaders Reinstating Military Drafts

by Tyler Durden
Tuesday, May 20, 2025 - 07:20 AM

Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong is back with an update on his big turn toward war in Ukraine with Russia.

Key graf:

War is already here, and there is no stopping it with peace talks.  Armstrong says, “Putin knows and understands this is not a just a war with Ukraine, this is a war with NATO…”

“If Putin agrees to a 30-day ceasefire with Ukraine, what’s that going to do?  Absolutely nothing. 

You have every European country reinstituting drafts. In Germany, even people 60 years old have been told to report.  Poland has ordered every able-bodied man to show up for military training.  They want war.  Their economy is collapsing.  You hear about this de-dollarization, and it’s not happening.  The capitalization of just the New York Stock Exchange is worth more than all of Europe combined.  That’s just the New York Stock Exchange…

You’ve got Macron in France, they call him the ‘Petite Napolean.’. . . Without war, Europe is going to collapse.  It’s in a sovereign debt crisis . . . They have done everything against the economy.”

Armstong thinks Russia will finish off Ukraine sometime in 2027 and Europe a year or two after that.  And, Yes, Armstrong still thinks Ukraine will disappear from the map.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/they-want-war-martin-armstrong-slams-european-leaders-reinstating-military-drafts

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 21 May 2025 15:37 | #

Zerohedge had taken over from Breitbart as the central Moscow sewer.

At best, this Armstrong guy sounds like an alarmist head-case.  Germany has no conscription.  But it is commencing upon building up forces from a very low base self-imposed by the government of Konrad Adenauer.  Part of that build-up will obviously involve recruiting more people.  To determine the general interest in serving, a mandatory questionnaire ... just a questionnaire! ... is to be sent to men over eighteen.  That’s all that is happening.

Poland’s expansion of voluntary military service was announced in March.  You can see the full story on the Polish government portal here.

I note Armstrong’s throw-away reference to Macron, just to make it sound as though Europe is convulsing with war fever.  It’s not.  The guy is exaggerating his arse off, not to put too fine a point on it.  The question is: why would he do that?

Not even Ukraine in wartime, btw, has a policy of conscripting the under twenty-fives.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 22 May 2025 11:14 | #

I think part of Armstrong’s message shares many parallels with the late Gonzalo Lira’s. The main point is that NATO is using Ukraine as part of a larger agenda to conquer Russia and then target China next. Armstrong is spot on in asserting that NATO countries “don’t give two sh-ts” about the fate of Ukrainians being sent to slaughter; as long as they are killing Russians, they are serving their purpose.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 22 May 2025 14:08 | #

He and you are suffering from a wild right-wing mirror of anti-racism disease.  He doesn’t have a clue what “NATO” thinks, or even what strategy it has followed prior to and since Putin’s invasion.  He does not know how fast events are moving in European government offices or at NATO HQ.  He doesn’t care.  His take on the requisite preparations for bolstering a post-America defence of Europe was risible, as I showed.  The important thing for him is to declaim against the institutions, as if tearing everything down will deliver us to peace and freedom.  It would be comic were it not so widespread and harmful.

Whether you like it or not, the political right of the liberal spectrum is as sickened by the philosophy of our times as the political left.  There is no curing it except to replace the philosophical cause with something vivifying that will guide racial Europe to generational repair.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 22 May 2025 15:54 | #

“There is no curing it except to replace the philosophical cause with something vivifying that will guide racial Europe to generational repair.”

Unfortunately, the vivifying philosophy you seek continues to be just out of reach, as elusive and unattainable as ever. And even if one were presented by you, how many Europeans would truly follow or practice it? Meanwhile, reality continues to march on.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 May 2025 00:33 | #

There is an article at TCW which seeks to demonstrate the future for us according to Net Zero.  It concludes:

I could go on listing the indications that ‘degrowth’ for us plebs is the ruling elites’ real agenda and pandemics, climate emergency nonsense, central-bank-controlled digital currencies, electronic IDs and so on are merely camouflage for our rulers’ real intentions. Unfortunately, I’m not intelligent enough to explain the psychological condition – the apparent anti-West, luddite guilt psychosis – which has convinced our rulers that everything about the West’s material success, scientific advances and civilisational achievements is to be abhorred and destroyed. But I think you get the picture by now.

I propose that our rulers despise us, view us as ‘useless eaters’ and ‘destructive ecological vandals’ and that it’s ‘degrowth’ for us which seems to explain what our rulers are really up to.

It seems that every way one turns, the same self-destructive impulse arises, never directed at the literal self, of course, but shifted outward to some action or entity that is of us and yet a mortal enemy.  It must be ritually condemned, made responsible for all that is wrong, and educated or excised.  It’s like chopping off a limb to cure a sickness of the heart.  It worries me that it goes quite unseen, because everyone is wholly immersed in their own part in the drama, gaining affirmation from those like themselves.  Somehow we have to find our way to health; and if not by nationalism, then how?

 

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 23 May 2025 10:44 | #

“I propose that our rulers despise us, view us as ‘useless eaters’”

Ah yes, the age-old battle between good and evil continues, with Christianity symbolizing truth and goodness, while anti-Christianity represents the side of evil. For evil to triumph, it would need to eradicate the White race. After all, it is the White race that has historically spread and upholds true Christianity across the globe. Clearly, most of the current leaders of Western countries seem to have struck a deal with the Devil to obtain power. The trade-off is to start by removing Christianity from Christendom aka Europe. They believe they’re making progress in completing their vile task, but in the end, they’ll fail.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 24 May 2025 03:05 | #

True Christianity?  What about true Odinism or whatever?  Indeed, what about cognitive restoration, ie, the actual function of faith objects?

@ 37, ” you’ve expressed the Western perspective more clearly ...”

Here is author Chuck Pfarrar’s extremely clear, no-nonsense description of the disastrous costs of this war to Russia.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 May 2025 11:14 | #

From the article you linked to: “His failure to grasp this war’s root cause – his own imperial hubris – ensures he cannot and will never win in Ukraine.”

I can see how anti-Putin propaganda like that resonates strongly with people like you. It’s crafted specifically for gullible and biased ears.

The reality is is it is the NATO countries led by the USA who have imperial hubris. Their goal is to weaken Russia, initiate a regime change, and seize control of its estimated $75 trillion in natural resource wealth. If you can look past all the manipulative misinformation, you’ll see that it’s really just as simple and straightforward as that.

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson explains the root cause of the Ukraine conflict, tracing its beginning back to around the year 2002. Take a listen: https://youtu.be/IrAPMqCiOpw

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 May 2025 12:13 | #

This is a key aspect of clarifying what has been going on.

“Mike Benz joins and explains how Harvard is far more than just a university — it is the nerve center of the entire left-wing globalist goliath.”

Jump to the 18-minute mark and hear what Mike Benz has to say.

https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/following-the-money-all-the-way-to-harvard

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 May 2025 12:51 | #

“True Christianity?  What about true Odinism or whatever?”

What about leftism? You mentioned that you agree with DanielS about aligning with the leftys, correct?
.......................................

Leftism:

Marriage promotes ‘White supremacy,’ according to White university professor

‘Marriage fundamentalism, like structural racism, is a key structuring element of White heteropatriarchal supremacy,’ professor says

https://www.foxnews.com/media/marriage-promotes-white-supremacy-university-professor?msockid=38799028414966ee282385cd405a672e

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 24 May 2025 21:30 | #

The reality is is it is the NATO countries led by the USA who have imperial hubris.

Which NATO countries?  Germany?  Belgium?  Greece?  Who?  If you are forced to name a European country with “imperial hubris” you find that you can’t.  All you can do is to fall back on naming your own country, and then trying to associate its presumed sins with other NATO members.  It’s a crock, and intellectually assiduous people don’t get sucked into it.

The presumption involved with it is grounded in some kind of mass psychosis.  I do not exaggerate.  I do think that the conditions in which our race is living features various characteristics of life in wartime, including occupation, (to all intents and purposes) a foreign government, and an over-arching cultural, educational and legal system that finds us guilty of some confected crime just for existing and desiring to exist.  Nowhere can we find affirmation of who we are and where we belong.  We are cut adrift from our mooring in blood and land, and we are under attack.  That attack is prosecuted by the western Establishment and the Money Power behind it.  But the western Establishment is not guilty of everything everywhere.  Other Establishments exist, and act criminally within their own range of possibilities.  One very obvious, bang-to-rights example is Putin’s Russia.  Excusing Russia’s truly shocking and blatant war-mongering and its multiple crimes against humanity is a behaviour rooted, ultimately, in WN’s hostility to the Jewish project which was PNAC, and the neoconservative War on Terror which followed 9/11.  It doesn’t take much for a skillful propagandist to twist the WN mind, because the WN mind wants to be twisted.  It wants to believe the worst of its own government and ruling class.  It loves to hate.  It needs it.  Worse, the more ordinary minds in WN suppose themselves to be extra-ordinary for arriving, after much struggle, at a radical, even revolutionary hate.  They know they are right and everybody else is wrong.  They know it all.

This is hubris.  Bill Krystol Jn, of course, announced the death of neoconservatism in the mid-to-late noughties.  WNs are, as always, barking up the wrong tree.  But you can’t tell them.  Their entire world depends on them knowing something special that the ordinary rest of humanity does not and will probably never know.  They leap at the opportunity to tell an innocent interlocutor that he’s “brainwashed” and “owned” by the aforementioned hate-object.  Not clever like them you see; not strong and wise enough to mechanically hate, mechanically believe.

And here we are, waiting for the eponymous WN to finally realise that he is the propagandised dupe who possessed nothing like enough moral and intellectual solidity to find the truth.

The left’s model of human sameness, btw, flows from Christian universalism which, in turn, flows from the Judaic dictate of “the gentile”.

And weakening Russia is obviously a good for all Russia’s fearful neighbours.  How many times must I explain that the will of the people of the land is our ultimate moral cause.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 24 May 2025 22:19 | #

You, Thorn, keep citing not really very capable people retailing and justifying the very capably produced propaganda of the Russian state actors.  None of it takes account of what Dugin says, what Glazyev says, what Putin says, what Medvedev say, what anyone involved in the production or portrayal of Russian strategy actually says.  There isn’t any room for doubt that Putin’s gambit is a positive-aggressive, not negative-defensive action.  The feverish need to blame your own government for it is a complete irrelevance when Putin won’t even talk about ending this war.  To actually then involve yourself as an apologist for Putin’s ridiculous and self-serving “root causes” is shameful and arguably a pathology.

The issue is the right of Ukrainians to live in freedom and security on their own soil.  What the hell are you doing opposing that?

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 May 2025 22:46 | #

The reality is is it is the NATO countries led by the USA who have imperial hubris.

“Which NATO countries?  Germany?  Belgium?  Greece?  Who?  If you are forced to name a European country with “imperial hubris” you find that you can’t.  All you can do is to fall back on naming your own country, and then trying to associate its presumed sins with other NATO members.  It’s a crock, and intellectually assiduous people don’t get sucked into it.”

I admit I phrased it poorly, ascribing equal blame to all NATO countries alongside the USA. It is, in fact, the USA that exhibits “imperial hubris.” Naturally, the USA is entirely in charge of this operation—an operation that essentially serves as a proxy war between NATO and Russia.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 May 2025 23:00 | #

A proxy war that the USA provoked.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 May 2025 23:30 | #

You, Thorn, keep citing not really very capable people retailing and justifying the very capably produced propaganda of the Russian state actors

I hope you’re just attempting gaslighting. If not, well .....

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2025 03:13 | #

What would Putin have to say or do to undermine this idiot-theory that he is an innocent forced to defend his own home from America’s aggressor-proxy?  Is it enough for his soldiers to shoot an airliner out of the sky?  Is it enough for his security officers and state-paid mercenaries to organise proxy-militias and start a local war?  Is it enough to launch a full-scale invasion when those wars cannot be won?  Is it enough for his army to target Ukrainian hospitals and schools with ballistic missiles, and to send scores of drones against civilians in their homes on a nightly basis in towns and cities across the country?  It is enough for his forces to shoot dead whole villages of people in pure calculating, cold blood?  Is it enough to kidnap tens of thousands of children, torture and kill captives, shoot surrendering soldiers, employ nuclear blackmail, force captive populations to vote for their captivity at gunpoint?  Would it trouble your belief if the Russian tyrant’s representatives, in the first peace talks since the invasion began, threatened the personnel across the table with the killing of their family members?  Would it make you doubt a little if Putin himself actually told Valdai Club members last year that he is warring in a global cause, not merely regional, and so not merely for empire but for a Russian world order?  Because that’s what he did!

But you guys don’t care.  You are all seized by this strange pathology of blaming Russia’s actions on America, Biden, NATO “expansion”, “the west”, Nuland, Neocons and Kaganites et alia, blaming the victim Ukraine, ridiculing their brave elected leader, making up stories of his corruption and that of his wife, traducing Ukrainian defenders as “nazis”, denying the Ukrainian peoples’ own history on the soil, ignoring their will to rise up and kick out Putin’s satraps (not once but twice in a decade), ignoring everything just to get off on moral outrage at your own side ...  How gullible is that?  It’s not even as if your narrative of a proxy war is in any way relevant to Russian activities today, or explains them.  But you don’t think about that.  You don’t ask yourself why, now Trump is in the White House and Biden and Nuland are long gone, Putin doesn’t just stop, or even talk about stopping?  If he is this morally spotless victim, this Christian soldier, this loving Russian nationalist, then why doesn’t he make peace when peace is available?  Why would he continue if he has no greater objective than defending his brothers in the Donbas against the terrifying Victoria Nuland?  His security service propagandists must be laughing themselves silly at the boundless gullibility of you guys.

So what is this pathology of hurling blame about your own household, in the face of all sensible thinking to the contrary?  I think it might be a war psychosis in the absence of actual civil conflict.  I think that Judaism in Christianity and in systemic liberalism parents self-conflict, and the beginning of it is there ... the existential hook on which everything else is hung.  I think that a great well of hatred has been generated by the centuries of religious falsehood and quiet guiltification, and it has nowhere to go.  I think that the hatreds of the political left and the hatreds of the elites are all of a piece with the hatreds of the political right.  I think that since 1945 the western elites have pushed so hard against our race, and so successfully contained our righteous anger and will to act, that the fevers of civil war are emerging in our life without a civil war actually being possible.  It should have begun long ago, but it can’t begin.  I think that, duly pathologised, you guys easily embark upon a pathological transference activity.  I think you are transferring Putin’s blame to your own rulers because that’s the way the steam can escape.  That’s the actual proxy here.  You cannot process the otherness and separateness of Russia’s war on its neighbour(s).  You can’t process anything but your own cruelly aborted will to war.  It is quite enough for the GRU artistes to suggest that you dismiss or avoid all the evidence and rail only against your own side, and to show you how.  You are too tortured to notice that you’re being had.

That’s the best I can do today to explain this extraordinary failure of reason.  I wonder what else is going on, what additional conditioning factors there may be ... whether, for example, the dishonour of defeat in Viet Nam plays into the psychology somehow.  I wonder to what effect the emptiness and destructiveness of modern life ... the divorces and broken families, the cheap consumerism, the absence of dignified labour, the war on our masculinity, and so forth ... lights a self-consuming fire in the heart.  I don’t know.  But something somewhere is very wrong.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 25 May 2025 11:10 | #

I’m curious, GW—when you post comments on sites like Breitbart, TCW, Zero Hedge, and others, what kind of responses do you usually receive? Do people tend to agree with your views on the NATO-Russia proxy war, or do they more often disagree? At any rate, when you make comments such as this: “blaming the victim Ukraine, ridiculing their brave elected leader,” I can picture the commentariat bursting out with laughter.

As an aside, whenever I comment on certain “conservative” websites about Israel cotmmitting genocide, I’m invariably accused of siding with Hamas or wanting to exterminate all Jews in Israel. I think their response reflects the mindset of most American conservatives, who have been shaped by a lifetime of pro-Israel, pro-Jewish narratives. I used to think the same way until I realized the unrelenting influence the Israel Lobby has on U.S. foreign policy regarding the Middle East coupled with learning about the legitimacy of the Palestinian’s grievances. That was the beginning of a new perspective for me on the issue of Jews, Palestinians and the State of Israel.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2025 12:41 | #

Some are Russians, of course; so they don’t count because they are just doing what they inevitably will.  They expect to set the tone on the thread.  They don’t have a single moral principle between them.  They lie.  They insult.  They react to defeat on some claim by immediately wheeling out another one.  They can’t actually enter a debate about anything interesting.  For almost all of them cheap point-scoring is the full extent of their activity.  I say almost because one or two do post (sort of) higher calibre content from a ready-to-hand library of quotes and links.  It’s given away by the impossible speed with which the material is posted mid conversational flow.  It is obvious that no actual thought goes into it.

Most of the rest are right-wing Americans in the 100 to 110 or maybe 112 IQ range, who are never going to consult sources beyond their YouTube “experts”.  All the affirmation they need arrives from there.  The idea that someone on the thread might have a higher IQ than Mearsheimer (not actually difficult) is inconceivable to them.  They are completely convinced that what they have read at the Daily Sceptic or wherever supplies them with vital knowledge, especially about “Nuland, ““Biden”, “Zelensky”, “the west”, “globalists”, or whoever.  It’s all slavish, of course.  They are not prepared for a substantive rebuttal.  They don’t know how to respond to moral argument at all.  They generally resort to the saving mechanism of a cheap put-down.  Usually I am “brainwashed” or a “leftist”.  They are pathetic, of course; but they also my people.  They can’t be left to wallow in reaction.  They need something positive to grasp and hang on to.

I never post commentary about Israel.  It’s the quickest way to get banned, and it isn’t vitally relevant to our situation.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 25 May 2025 14:29 | #

GW, regarding Russia, I started forming my current opinion during the dissolution of the Soviet Union. My interest deepened when Putin came to power in 1999 because I saw him as stabilizing the country economically and politically. I also noticed the U.S. government’s hostile attitude towards Putin, reflected in both rhetoric and policy, which puzzled me at the time. I couldn’t understand why the U.S. pursued an adversarial rather than a friendly relationship. Now, it’s clear to me—it’s all about control and profit from the vast natural resources of Ukraine and Russia. Of course, Putin poses an obstacle, which accounts for the USA’s regime change efforts, with the Ukraine proxy war entangled in the process.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2025 15:36 | #

it’s all about control and profit from the vast natural resources of Ukraine and Russia.

For Donald Trump, no doubt.  But you can’t penetrate to the meaning of the period from 1989 to 2000 without understanding the Jewish Question in Russia and the west (we should really call it the Judaic Question), and specifically the negative impact on the old Rothschildian globalism of the second coming of technocracy from 1970 courtesy of David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Nixon and Kissinger.  Without parsing these two globalisms nothing that followed really makes sense, including the short-lived and ultimately unsuccessful seizing back of political control by neoconservatives.

Technocracy is the not entirely willing parent of the Middle Kingdom ideology which is the basis for Xi’s own globalist model - not willing because the idea was that Beijing would respectfully operate within geo-economic bounds (which it is disrespectfully breaking).  Putin’s model, as voiced by Glazyev, is his attempt to come through the middle, allied with a geopolitically motivated Beijing, riding its back, happy to be the junior party, ecstatic that the hated democratic west will no longer be able to give peoples the idea of independence and autonomy.

This is a highly fluid situation, with the latest interesting twist that Karl Schwab, the godfather of 21st century technocracy, is likely to be replaced by the Jewish intellectual Yuval Harari.  We could yet see technocracy bastardise into an ethnic product.

The lumpen Trump won’t understand any of it, of course.  All he wants is “deals”.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2025 15:50 | #

You really do need to drop the crock about a proxy war.  It just marks you down as one of the bovine herd, and tells anyone with actual knowledge and experience that you won’t or can’t make the effort, and want to stay in your nice, warm nest of prejudices towards your own equally errant brothers.  Nationalism lends us a higher purpose than that, and supplies a working perspective accordingly.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 25 May 2025 16:53 | #

“ecstatic that the hated democratic west will no longer be able to give peoples the idea of independence and autonomy.”

The era of democracy that truly upholds individual freedom and autonomy is a thing of the past—long gone!!! Living in England, you should already be aware of that fact ... unless you’ve grown numb to the abuse by your own government. Ask Lucy Connolly about of which I speak. Or perhaps President Trump should lecture you about how here in America a weaponized DHS, DNI and DoJ tramples on individual rights particularly people who are a threat the Blob. And then there’s the good old Patriot Act, a prime example of a misnomer.

Authoritarianism is tightening its grip everywhere, yet you appear to be the metaphorical frog unaware your own government is in the process of boiling you alive - or as Fred Scrooby often said: “They want to turn us all into negroes.” But hey, it’s Putin’s fault, and Trump is too clueless to figure it out, right?

Posted by Manc on Sun, 25 May 2025 17:52 | #

The truth is that we have more than one problem and more than one enemy. It really shouldn’t be a case of one or the other. Personally, whilst I abhor Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, I also abhor Starmer supporting masculine nationalism in Ukraine but repressing the same at home. Yet that is the world we live in - a mess of contradictions. In such a world it is necessary for we nationalists to adhere to the basics, the most basic being the will of the people, in whichever country we happen to live in. As in the Rolling Stones hit, you can’t always get what you want…but if you try sometimes..

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2025 21:18 | #

Thorn, @ 62 you are exhibiting exactly the binary thinking I have criticised.  Holding Putin the murderous imperialist responsible for his crimes does not open to excusing the western elites and their political servants for theirs.  Likewise - and crucially for you - holding the western elites responsible for their crimes does not open to excusing Putin for his.  There is no such logical progression.  There are criminological parallels but no point of contact between the two.  How you came to make a connection ... that particular connection ... is the question.  To my mind, it is clear enough that your thinking and the thinking of those like you, made susceptible domestically by decades of fear and hate (as explained @ 54), has been shorted by Moscow’s vast, well-prepared and executed methods of hybrid warfare, for which we in the west were not prepared, and against which the masses of right-wing dissenters and reactionaries had no defence.  It successfully seeded the many narratives of “root causes”, the narratives of western aggression and deceit, the narrative of Mother Russia the saviour of the corrupt west, the narrative of Russian land, and so on.  You guys are only too willing to be propagandised and to construct your own mental and emotional landscape, and you have.  But it is illusion.

Now I am asking you to break the spell and move to Manc’s truth that there’s more than one problem, more than one enemy.  We are, in fact, alone among enemies, each with vast and multifarious powers at their disposal.  We have only ourselves.  But we are brothers.  We have our truth.  We have right.  We are the majority.  We are morally stronger than them, just as the Ukrainian brothers are morally stronger than the Muscovites.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 25 May 2025 22:09 | #

@62

Nope, I’m not engaging in binary thinking. From the start, I’ve seen Putin as a ruthless killer—a ruthless killer with approximately 6,000 nukes and the capability to deliver them anywhere on the planet within minutes. I believe western leaders, particularly those in the U.S. and the U.K. but especially the USA, are taking a highly dangerous risk by provoking Russia into a war with Ukraine. A strong indication of the dangerous risk is the fact that the nuclear clock is closer to midnight than it’s ever been. If you still fail to see how and why the USA employed soft power to instigate a regime change in Kiev fully aware it would provoke Russia into a kinetic war, then maybe it’s your judgment that’s clouded by fear and hatred?

The real issue, GW, is your biased judgments about people you hardly know. Take this to heart, my friend: your method of evaluating others needs, at the very least, a serious recalibration.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2025 23:43 | #

Let me see you post about the evolution of Moscow’s global hegemonic strategy from 2000, and its fateful early consequences in Georgia, Dagestan, and Chechnya.  Let me see you post about what actually took place in the Maiden and elsewhere, what Nuland did and did not say and do during those days, and how, in reality, Yanukovych fled not because there was “a CIA coup” but because his Berkut paramilitaries opened fire killing over a hundred protesters. He could never survive that as president.  Let me see you post about the subsequent work of the FSB, Wagner and Russian Army elements in building local criminals in Donetsk into “militia leaders”, and how Strelkov - a Moscow hard case - rose to prominence in Luhansk.  Let me see you post about Putin’s contempt for the Ukrainians’ right to life and land, and to peace, security, democracy and freedom.  Let me see you post about the west’s moral responsibility to model those goods for Ukrainians, and to offer hope of them.  Let me see you finally grasp the fact that the west must contain Russian imperialist violence or we will be back in the 1950s.  Let me see you ask why, if Ukraine belongs to Moscow, doesn’t Kaliningrad belong to Germany?  Let me see you state clearly that Moscow self-evidently wants war today even when Trump’s America has walked away, and provokes nobody.  It always wanted war because that way the western rules-based order is automatically challenged.  It didn’t require “provocation” to go to war, any more than the Belarussian people’s stated desire for a true democracy was a provocation to Putin’s satrap to persecute and drive out the opposition.  Let me hear you say what Boris Johnson said: “You’re not an empire, Vlad, you fucking idiot.”  Let me hear you explain what “provocation” is anyway.  Why should Russia control any neighbouring people?  Why is telling Russia to stay within its borders a provocation?  Which other country is provoked by such a statement?

When I see you post all that I will know you have found a moral principle, and will belong no more to the herd of American “individualists” who populate the right-wing internet, and produce so much noise but so little light.

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 26 May 2025 01:03 | #

What concerns me, GW, is that England is transforming into a Thirdworld place. Before long the Mohammadians are going to be the majority in your beloved homeland. Fuck Ukraine and Russia! You need to be more focused on the takeover of your own country. You need to understand that it’s your own leadership that is causing the destruction of it.
Riddle me this: Why do you think your own leadership is flooding your country with Muslims? Do you think it is a naive mistake or malicious intent?

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 26 May 2025 11:07 | #

In 2022, Elon Musk proposed a practical solution to end the war in Ukraine. His proposal included redoing elections in the annexed regions under United Nations supervision, ceding the Crimean peninsula to Russia, and keeping Ukraine as a neutral country between Russia and the West. Kyiv’s response to Elon’s suggestion was a blunt “F-off!”

So much for the idea of “true democracy” in Ukraine.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 27 May 2025 11:13 | #

I’m an ethnic nationalist, Thorn, and inevitably, therefore, a nativist.  My understanding is that ethnic nationalism is an holistic and potentially systemic philosophy of life and land.  The core of it is that the natives’ struggle to exist is an indivisible and inalienable natural right, and the prior right on the soil.  It is, then, bound to be a universal right.  I would argue that it is the only universal truth that is not contingent on some secondary construction.

On Musk’s proposal, he justified it in a separate tweet thus:

Russia is doing partial mobilization. They go to full war mobilization if Crimea is at risk. Death on both sides will be devastating. Russia has (over) 3 times population of Ukraine, so victory for Ukraine is unlikely in total war. If you care about the people of Ukraine, seek peace.

So the inherency here is a threat which, 33 months later, has turned out to be without foundation.  It should be understood that for Moscow political neutrality is a fungible concept.  As in Belarus, as in Georgia, as in Ukraine in the period from 1990 to 2014, Moscow does not interpret neutrality on the Swiss model.  It interprets it not as an historically achieved, static estate but as a process opening to its greater control, hence the rigid and unchanging Russian “peace” proposals stipulating the size, capacity, and isolation of Ukrainian forces, armed only by Russia, not the west.  This is Russkiy mir, which the Ukrainians twice overthrew, and which they cannot ever accept.

It was only Andrij Melnyk, Ukraine’s Ambassador to Germany, who tweeted “Fuck off is my very diplomatic reply to you”.  That was on 3rd October 2022.

That said, it would only be possible to hold a vote in the four occupied regions if the ante-bellum population (ie, pre-2014 in Donesk and Luhansk), wherever they may be, could be identified, independently verified, and accorded the possibility of a free and secret ballot.  It’s probably impossible given a Russian hand in it - not least because, as I understand it, the polling evidence, which is of course scant, is that such a vote would massively favour a Ukrainian future.

Posted by Thorn on Tue, 27 May 2025 15:33 | #

GW, I am also an ethnic nationalist and share your aspirations and philosophy regarding life and land. At the same time, I am a realist and clearly understand that the current Western leadership has a stated purpose to counter, by any means necessary, anyone or any organized group that threatens their established order. Their stated goal is to dismantle ethnically homogenous nations and reshape them into multicultural, multiracial societies. Anyone or any political party that opposes this agenda is either imprisoned or marginalized—recent history makes that evident. Moreover, they quickly shut down opposition before it gains momentum. Trump stands as the exception to this trend. Surviving two assassination attempts, numerous questionable felony charges, two impeachments, and a constantly critical mainstream media misrepresenting him, and a stolen election in 2020 is nothing short of remarkable - a sort of a miracle, I’d say.

“Russia is doing partial mobilization. They go to full war mobilization if Crimea is at risk. Death on both sides will be devastating. Russia has (over) 3 times population of Ukraine, so victory for Ukraine is unlikely in total war. If you care about the people of Ukraine, seek peace.”—Elon Musk

GW responds (in part) “So the inherency here is a threat which, 33 months later, has turned out to be without foundation”

Although his predictions didn’t turn out exactly as he expected, I believe Musk showed respectable foresight. Furthermore, I see it as Musk was making a plea or offering a warning to justify his push for a commonsense peace solution, rather than issuing a threat.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 27 May 2025 17:07 | #

Reads like a pretty creepy threat to me.  He was following the line that government dictates what the people get, so tell ‘em they’re gonna get peace!  The people, however, want independence from the monster next door, and they are fighting like hell for it.  Musk is supposed to be a bit of a populist, isn’t he?  Why doesn’t he listen to the vox populi in this case?  Surely he doesn’t believe that the people are being dragooned by their government in Kiev into fighting for “Biden”, “Nuland, “NATO”, and the rest, does he?

Of course you are an old hand, and you know the score replacement-wise.  I know that.  But the people’s struggle to exist in the west and the people’s struggle to exist in the east is the same struggle.  It is the trangressing Power which is different.  Up to a point.  Many years ago I proof-read Tom Sunic’s Homo americanus, and have never forgotten the many parallels between this historical personality and his counterpart in the east, Homo sovieticus, all of which Tom was uniquely placed to identify and explore.  Yes, the western system was (and is) more subtle and more existentially-focussed than the lumpen assault that was communism.  Today communism is a bad memory.  But the dark inner force it masked - that of Russian imperialism -survives, and that is not less existentially focussed than multiracialisation.  Both are genocidal.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 28 May 2025 10:22 | #

“Musk is supposed to be a bit of a populist, isn’t he? Why doesn’t he listen to the vox populi in this case?”

I think Musk comes across as a populist with subtle hints of ethnic nationalism. Regarding his peace proposal for Ukraine, I believe his main motivation is to stop the bloodshed and prevent further escalation. Anyone keeping up with post-Soviet Russia knows about the ongoing clash between Putin’s vision for the country’s future and the West’s agenda for Russia. The issue stems from Putin pushing for ethnic nationalism that emphasizes traditional Russian culture, while the West aims to reshape Russian culture into a Western-style society: modern-liberalism/wokeism LGBTQ, CRT, DEI and whatnot.

GW, the fundamental difference in our perspectives on the Ukraine conflict stems from your premise that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked, motivated by imperial ambitions; whereas my premise is based on the idea that Russia was provoked. Furthermore, I see this provocation as being continuous and having taken place over a three-decade period.

In the debate over whether Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was provoked or unprovoked, apparently Musk supports the view that it was provoked. Naturally, the spinmeisters in the government-media complex dishonestly and ridiculously claim that Musk has fallen under the influence of Russian propaganda.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 28 May 2025 11:47 | #

The “provocation” in question is the imposition on the civilised world, not just Russia, of the the post-WW2 rules for the conduct of nations.  After 1990 Moscow was required to function by those rules, ie, remain within the vast and sufficient borders of the Russian Federation.  The path to a modern democracy was open for it, and had Yeltsin been a stronger and cleverer man, with more ideological support, he might have prevailed.  But by the late-nineties the forces of democracy were manifestly weaker than the forces of revanchism.  After 2000 Moscow under its emerging tyrant Putin had a clear understanding that it had to break free of the western order, ie, its order would be the same one of force which energised prior Russian expansions.  The inner working of this present contest is precisely in that struggle between rules and force.  Moscow’s plaint about provocation, and all the propaganda effort invested in it, was and is an attempt ... an outer working, if you will ... to represent the western order as the evil expansionist party.  It’s a blatant lie.

My question, ultimately, is whether we, as proponents of the will of peoples of the land, want to see the western rules-based order fall, and a Russo-Chinese hegemony predicated on the global rule of force take its place.  I don’t think all the “provocation” proponents have the slightest idea what is really at the heart of things, and what western collapse actually means for us.  I think most of them expect nothing in their lives to change, except that they will somehow inherit political control.  They are deluded.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 28 May 2025 15:29 | #

Beneath the surface, what’s really happening is a regime change operation being led and executed mainly by the USA. The aim is to overthrow the Putin regime and replace it with one aligned with the Western hegemonic agenda. If successful, the West could secure global dominance and prosperity for centuries. If it fails, the best-case scenario could mean Western European countries face significant impoverishment. Worse, it might result in the collapse of the Russian government, leaving 6,000 nuclear weapons at risk of falling into unknown hands. At its very worst, it could trigger a catastrophic nuclear war. IMHO, this ill-conceived regime change operation is a gamble that simply isn’t worth taking.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 29 May 2025 04:53 | #

Posted by KP on May 27, 2025, 3:32 pm:

FACT CHECK – Putin Once Again Justifies Ukraine Invasion: ‘They Forced Us Into It’
Speaking at a meeting with business leaders on Monday, the Russian president claimed he had been forced to start his war in response to events in Ukraine.

According to Russian state media outlet RIA Novosti reporting on a meeting held by President Vladimir Putin with business leaders on Monday, Putin claimed he was left with no option in 2022 but to launch his so-called “special military operation (SVO)” – which most of the world calls a “war” – due to what was happening in Ukraine and the insincerity of the West.

“We didn’t organize the [2014] coup d’etat in Ukraine. We were constantly told all the time that elections and democracy were needed. Then a bloody coup d’etat was carried out – and that’s it.”

Putin’s statement was highly misleading and largely false.

Putin was referring to the Revolution of Dignity, which grew out of the Euromaidan mass protests triggered by former President Viktor Yanukovych who, reportedly under orders from Putin, refused to sign an EU association deal that he had campaigned on. It grew into a broader movement against corruption, abuse of power, and calls for democratic reform.

The Revolution of Dignity was “bloody,” but most of the deaths – over 100 – were those of unarmed protesters fired on by Yanukovych’s Berkut riot police. The government’s violent crackdowns intensified the protests, leading to Yanukovych fleeing the country. The revolution marked a turning point for Ukraine – toward Western integration and civil rights.

Putin then went on to claim that “the lawful government” was replaced by an illegitimate one that began to persecute “the peaceful citizens of the Donbas” and began to kill its “people from helicopters and planes.”

“They simply forced us to do what we are doing now, and are trying to make us guilty,” he said.

Adding that the goal of the SVO had been “the protection of people who have been subjected to abuse and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years,” he said Russia “was left with no chance to act differently, the security risks were such that it was impossible to respond by any other means.”

These statements are highly misleading and largely false.

In fact, after Yanukovych fled to Russia in February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, followed constitutional procedures to remove him from office after his abandonment of duties. A transitional government was formed followed by presidential elections three months later which resulted in the election of President Petro Poroshenko. The vote was widely recognized as free and fair by international observers, including the OSCE.

As for the “helicopters and planes” attacking civilians claim, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission and other organizations documented fighting between Ukrainian armed forces and pro-Russian separatists armed by the Kremlin, but the Ukrainian government did not indiscriminately attack civilians in the Donbas – which is something Russia is currently doing on a near daily basis in Ukraine.

While human rights violations occurred on both sides of the Donbas conflict, there is no evidence that Kyiv systematically engaged in abuse of ethnic Russians or Russian speakers or in any manner that remotely supports claims of genocide.

Claims of genocide, supposedly necessitating Russia’s February 2022 full-scale invasion, have been widely debunked by international organizations, independent investigators, and legal experts – including the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission, the OSCE, and the International Court of Justice.

Putin then turned his focus on the West, saying that Moscow had been trying to come to an accommodation with NATO to agree on a mutual security mechanism for Europe for more than 30 years.

This is statement is partially true, but misleading in the context.

After the end of the Cold War, Russia engaged with NATO through the “NATO-Russia Founding Act” of 1997 and through the NATO-Russia Council, which was established in 2002.

Russia was offered a partnership role with NATO and participated in military and political dialogues. However, the Russo-Georgian War and its 2014 invasion of Ukraine – led to a deterioration in relations with NATO.

Those discussions failed, Putin claimed, as Russia had been faced with a combination of cynical deception and lies, attempts to pressure and blackmail the Kremlin.

This claim is unsubstantiated.

NATO decisions are made by a consensus of member states and there is no evidence of NATO members blackmailing or lying to Russia in formal negotiations.

At the same time, Putin claimed on Monday that NATO and the European Union steadily expanded their blocs eastwards and advanced up to the borders of the Russian Federation despite Moscow’s protests – claiming Ukraine was a step too far that he could no longer ignore.

Part of this is true, part of it false, all of it misleading.

There was no binding treaty prohibiting NATO expansion and several countries including the Baltic states, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland did join NATO after the fall of the Soviet Union. However, it was their choice to join NATO, a defensive alliance, out of the desire for security and democracy and fear – which turned out to be justified in the case of Ukraine – of Russian aggression.

As for Ukraine, it has never been a member of NATO and was not close to joining NATO in 2022. Ukraine never posed an existential threat to Russia. Russia’s main concern was losing its influence over Ukraine after 2014, when Ukrainians opted to pursue a democratic Westward-leaning future.

Conclusion

Putin’s statements to business leaders on Monday are a mix of falsehoods, exaggerations, and distortions. The statements are propaganda intended to delegitimize Ukraine’s democratic transition and justify Russian aggression.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 29 May 2025 12:51 | #

@ 73

Yes, that’s the West’s official narrative—largely accurate but designed to influence readers with limited information. Anyone who has followed the events surrounding Russia since 1991 realizes they have been exposed to biased narratives like that. KP makes a fairly compelling argument, but I don’t think it stands up to the points made by Jeffrey Sachs.

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The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

By recognizing that the question of NATO enlargement is at the center of this war, we understand why U.S. weaponry will not end this war. Only diplomatic efforts can do that.

JEFFREY D. SACHS

May 23, 2023 Common Dreams

George Orwell wrote in 1984 that “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” Governments work relentlessly to distort public perceptions of the past. Regarding the Ukraine War, the Biden administration has repeatedly and falsely claimed that the Ukraine War started with an unprovoked attack by Russia on Ukraine on February 24, 2022. In fact, the war was provoked by the U.S. in ways that leading U.S. diplomats anticipated for decades in the lead-up to the war, meaning that the war could have been avoided and should now be stopped through negotiations.

Recognizing that the war was provoked helps us to understand how to stop it. It doesn’t justify Russia’s invasion. A far better approach for Russia might have been to step up diplomacy with Europe and with the non-Western world to explain and oppose U.S. militarism and unilateralism. In fact, the relentless U.S. push to expand NATO is widely opposed throughout the world, so Russian diplomacy rather than war would likely have been effective.

The Biden team uses the word “unprovoked” incessantly, most recently in Biden’s major speech on the first-year anniversary of the war, in a recent NATO statement, and in the most recent G7 statement. Mainstream media friendly to Biden simply parrot the White House. TheNew York Times is the lead culprit, describing the invasion as “unprovoked” no fewer than 26 times, in five editorials, 14 opinion columns by NYT writers, and seven guest op-eds!

There were in fact two main U.S. provocations. The first was the U.S. intention to expand NATO to Ukraine and Georgia in order to surround Russia in the Black Sea region by NATO countries (Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Georgia, in counterclockwise order). The second was the U.S. role in installing a Russophobic regime in Ukraine by the violent overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian President, Viktor Yanukovych, in February 2014. The shooting war in Ukraine began with Yanukovych’s overthrow nine years ago, not in February 2022 as the U.S. government, NATO, and the G7 leaders would have us believe.

The key to peace in Ukraine is through negotiations based on Ukraine’s neutrality and NATO non-enlargement.

[...]

RTWT

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/wgtgma5kj69pbpndjr4wf6aayhrszm

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 29 May 2025 23:18 | #

“The west” has no reason to lie.  It is completely legitimate to support Ukrainian freedom in every possible way.  There is no problem is speaking the truth - as, for example, Victoria Nuland did in her two Senate hearings with Rubio.  It is Moscow that is committing crimes against humanity in a war of aggression, excused by a mass propaganda campaign.

I’ve already dismissed the globalist shill and climate activist Sachs.  I understand that you hold such people to be significant because he feeds you want you want.  No one who is remotely professional takes a line from him.

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 30 May 2025 11:37 | #

“The west” has no reason to lie.  It is completely legitimate to support Ukrainian freedom in every possible way.  There is no problem is speaking the truth - as, for example, Victoria Nuland did in her two Senate hearings with Rubio.  It is Moscow that is committing crimes against humanity in a war of aggression, excused by a mass propaganda campaign.”

No doubt about it and there is irrefutable evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians in order to steal the 2016 presidential election. I mention that because it reflects a long-standing pattern of Russia’s involvement in election meddling and regime change operations in other countries. In the West, we are fortunate to have honest individuals like Victoria Nuland, who risk their lives to protect and serve all liberty-seeking people - not only in the West but around the world. Unfortunately, Trump was reelected in 2024; moreover, he sides with Putin thus has set out to undo all the fine work Nuland and the CIA have accomplished in Ukraine. Trump must be stopped before he ends up preventing World War III along with a nuclear conflict! Last but not least, Zelenskyy is a courageous and remarkable leader, often drawing comparisons to Winston Churchill. At the very least, both Nuland and Zelensky deserve to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by James Bowery on Wed, 04 Jun 2025 16:47 | #

Quoting @3 GW: “Right now, the most critical challenge facing nationalists in the west - an existential question for us - is the struggle for a new world order between western and eastern globalists, whose models do not vary on technocracy but they do on the potential for rebellion.”

Quoting “Brave New World - A Different Projection by John Harland”

Zamyatin’s We fictionalized that existing powers will alter
human nature by lobotomy-like operations on the brain. This
does not appear improbable, but to me it is a less disturbing
prospect than Huxley’s projection. In both We and Nineteen
Eighty-four the projected conditions are brought about by force.
That leaves room for optimism. So long as overt force is
necessary the doomsday does not appear inevitable; the need to
use force implies the existence of a latent opposing force. The
need to use force implies that the will to resist the trend has not
entirely disappeared.
Huxley’s book leaves no room for optimism. It shows a
bureaucratic system admired by the lowliest worker as greatly as
the highest administrator. The system has created a population of
what some would call “slaves”. However the “slaves” do not
have to be coerced. All will to opposition has been broken. They
love their servitude. When human animals have reached this state
it is a point of no return.
In his foreword to the 1958 Bantam Books reprint of his Brave
New World, Huxley, who called them slaves, summarized the
conditions for making people love servitude. He explained that as
political and economic freedom diminish there must be an
encouragement of freedom in sexual promiscuity, freedom for
daydreams under the influence of drugs, movies, radio, TV, et
cetera, which will help reconcile all to the servitude that is their
fate.

The analysis in “Why Is Russia’s Economy Growing?” answers the wrong question.

In a world where “the economy” outbids young men for the fertile years of young women, nothing matters but the cost of replacement reproduction and no government measures that because they’re all genocidal against their own peoples.

Wartime economies are the closest governments come to Militia.Money. Watch carefully what happens to Russia’s TFR. Ukraine’s TFR will likely suffer because That Unspeakable Thing In DC is showing signs of vacuuming up Ukrainian women to serve as fuck dolls for its penis-wielding bloblings.

Rebellion can be, as Huxley feared, prevented by providing a sexually perverse lightning-rod for Sexual Being.

The time is coming when a firestorm of “rebellion” is likely to purge the world fueled by the overgrowth of political underbrush.

Militia.Money can prevent rebellion by fulfilling Sexual Being in The Moral Animal as its firestorm purges the world.

 

 

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 21 Jun 2025 16:29 | #

Well, James, I don’t want you to think that I don’t take your point, because I do.  But militia money can’t mean much without a militia, can it; and a militia can’t mean much ... can’t be raised ... without a very visible mass conflict, hot or cold.  An unemployed standing force in liberal modernity will be shot through with moral contradiction.  Anyway, I am not ready for Englishmen as pre-bellum southern militiamen yet.  If we are at war (with Russia or America or the Money Power or globalists or just liberal modernity, however one might conceptualise it) then I haven’t taken down my rifle from its keeping-place above the homestead door, and ridden to the muster point.  Rather, I would like thinking people to muster after their fashion and fight for an altogether more peaceful solution, if at all possible.  Following Huxley (and Buckle’s Trichotomy), I don’t expect the common man to find his own way out of this, even for the purpose of finding a mate.  This is about ideas, and formative ideas at that.

We are still at the stage of explaining the situation to one another while gesturing to the light.  At TCW, on the thread to an article blaming “the sixties” - quite good as far as it went - a certain commenter of whom I have a close understanding, so to speak, wrote:

Very nice piece. A history which is also my personal experience of the public and political life of the 60s. That said, I would date the turn more strictly and from the setting up of the Historians Group by the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1946. It was the Oxbridge-based entry point for Critical Theory ... the new Marxian analysis ... into the nation’s intellectual bloodstream. Everything else flowed from that point.

Actually, by the sixties Critical Theory was being joined by, and forced to compete for intellectual favour with, poststructuralism (postmodernism). Postmodernism worked the other side of the street from Marxist egalitarianism. Its radically subjective and relativistic analysis swept away the intellectual ground on which conservatism defended the individual against socialism, and gave little to no opportunity to make a traditional defence of the English life. “You do not exist”, it ultimately said, “except as a fluid social entity.”

British Conservatism had earlier responded to socialism with One Nation. It then also had to respond to postmodernism. It did so by selling its soul to brute monetary materialism, first corporatism and then neoliberalism (Thatcherism). For a time the latter sufficed and fought off the clever old-new enemy. By the mid-eighties we were confirmed as mere interchangeable economic units driven by the appetite for consumption. That was the whole extent of the defence.

All of this could only take place because liberalism, as the organising Idea of our age, allowed it. In liberalism what is not explicitly disallowed will one day have free rein until it is superceded by something worse. Now there can be no illusions about its consequences. We have experienced a long litany of intellectual untruth and existential disaster. But even at this late stage there is still the possibility of a politics of our nature and real interest. That gentle revolution, that coming home, is always possible.

I haven’t been contesting on the internet as long as you.  But, getting on for a quarter of a century ago now, I was in the habit of telling people that we had until around 2024 to create a movement capable of bringing change in this land.  I expected a nationalism for the English.  We’ve got Farage’s Reform as of this year.  I also said that this movement would have ten years in which to generate peaceful change, and the end-date I would mention was 2034 - after which other men with other methods would step forward.

In another fire-walled article at the DT Farage is quoted as saying:

In Nigel Farage’s view, “everything the British state touches collapses, regardless of colour”. With his party surging in the polls – the beneficiary of two decades of failed red and blue governance – he has every right to pin the blame for these failures on the selection into government of a certain cadre of establishment true believer.

“There are two types of people in politics; those who want to be something, and those who want to do something”, Farage says. “And the be-something’s have dominated for decades: Oxbridge kids who want to be PM, cabinet minister, MP – not driven by thoughts about how to make the country better.”

The resulting consensus is stifling. “Everyone wants to be nice. If you’re nice, you’re liked and socially acceptable. And anyone with a different opinion is unacceptable”. But this doesn’t work when the state is failing: “When Starmer u-turns on rhetoric, don’t believe it will lead to reality because it won’t. He’s saying it to fend off Reform. He has no intention of acting on it.”

Competence, too comes in for a blast. “As a result, we get cabinets full of people lacking in real life experience. They haven’t run businesses. They haven’t achieved anything. It’s mediocrity – we’re governed by people who are unqualified to be a middle manager in an Asda in Birmingham”.

For Farage, there is only one way left out. “This country needs political surgery through every single sector of public life. We need a very gentle, British, political revolution. I’m the moderate. If I don’t succeed, watch what comes after me.”

You are likely right in the longer run.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 21 Jun 2025 19:03 | #

On the subject of Russian clarity, yesterday Medusa reported Putin’s comment at an economic forum:

“I’ve said it before, Russians and Ukrainians are one people. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours. There’s an old rule that wherever a Russian soldier sets foot, that’s ours,” Vladimir Putin said on Friday. The president made these remarks at an economic forum in St. Petersburg in response to a question about how far the Russian army might advance in Ukraine, pushing beyond the regions Moscow has formally annexed.

Does anybody still think it’s all about the minority of Russian speakers in the east and south-east of Ukraine who want a Muscovite future?  Does anybody (apart from Donald Trump) still think that Putin wants peace in any sense corresponding to the western notion of what that means, as opposed to Russkiy mir?

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 21 Jun 2025 21:03 | #

Russia’s primary concern—as they’ve been voicing clearly and consistently for decades—lies in NATO crossing its critical ‘red line’ by establishing a substantial military presence along its border with Ukraine; a force deemed by Russian leadership as powerful enough to pose existential threat to Russia. IMHO, the situation with Russia and Ukraine is analogous to Israel’s perspective and its response Iran’s purported nuclear weapons program, as well as Tehran’s backing of various proxies such as Hezbollah in Syria, the Houthi rebels in Yemen, and Hamas in Gaza.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 21 Jun 2025 21:51 | #

The NATO narrative is not true either.  There is no truthful justification for Russian aggression which is sayable by Russians, because the global hegemonic truth is (a) frankly beyond the conceptual capacity of the generality of people, and (b) utterly damning for “the men of force” to have to admit to.  So they won’t.  Their effort goes instead into the supply of alternative narratives.

We find ourselves in a position where serious political analysts in government, the Third Sector and academia plainly understand the detail of this modern Great Game, while the right-hand half of the mass of people, unable to disconnect from ragging on their own Establishment, eagerly internalise the vast output of the Russian propaganda machine.  They are suckers for it.  That really is the situation, and it has taken until now, with Trump humiliated and the Muscovites forced to reject peace, for the mist to begin to clear.

For the record, then, free and clear of all the usual deceits and justifications Moscow has a positive intent for regional empire and a global-economic plan for a Sino-Russian hegemony.  It was stated by Glazyev at the beginning of the war.  It has been confirmed by others.  It is not in doubt.  You, Thorn, have fought against it all this time, slowly retreating from each pavlovian claim as it became unsupportable.  You will eventually have to retreat from the NATO claim, because that is also a deception.  Whosoever uses the term “expansion” in respect to it ... whosoever talks about NATO siting nuclear arms on Russia’s border ... whosoever overlooks the right of sovereign peoples to avail themselves of western defence, is deceiving his western audience.  You, at least, could look into the Muscovite mind if you wish, without becoming confused by your disgust for governmental America.  It’s just a question of whether you can separate them out so that the Russian propaganda has nothing to latch onto and exploit.

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 21 Jun 2025 22:38 | #

Just one question, GW:

If Sergei Glazyev is regarded as the standard for gaining a profound understanding of Russia’s motives, why do you think he is such an obscure figure within Western discourse? Wouldn’t you think the Western elites would reference his opinions to bolster their arguments for supporting Ukraine’s war against Russia? Especially via the corporate media?

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 21 Jun 2025 22:45 | #

BTW, I wonder what happened to Al Ross. Hope he is okay. Was always good for a laugh or two.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 22 Jun 2025 07:40 | #

Thorn, Sergei Glazyev is only unusual because he set out Moscow’s course so extensively.  But he’s not key to it himself.  There is an entire circus of elites jockeying around Valdai, mostly in early middle-age, who are engaged in this same propositional strategic thinking.  The older elites around Putin are more motivated by grief and shame at the collapse of the Soviet Union, and anger at the west for causing it.  But they are passing.  Shoigu has gone, Patrushev has been moved on, and so forth.  Putin is renewing his cadre of insiders.

As for the western elites, along with all high financial and internal strategic considerations, current geopolitical and global hegemonic policy is rarely ever set out in the western mass media.  It is the preserve of governmental and security circles and the related academic class beyond.  The masses, meanwhile, are fed second-order material at best, because it is considered this is what they can process, and through it they can arrive at the desired emotional outcome.  They are to be kept as far as possible from the real business of government, lest government is forced to listen and act in their interests rather than those of the governing class.

It is the same everywhere.  It’s a mistake to suppose that government seeks to persuade the people to support its policies.  It seeks to keep the people out of its hair.  That is the norm derived from monarchy, where the Crown stands apart from and above its subjects by divine right.  Although modern western governments are education- and class-based, and God doesn’t come into it, still the regal inflation and separateness effortlessly holds sway.  The irreverent urchin Dominic Cummings coined the term “the blob” for the unchanging British governing class.  It’s what Farage, also an irreverent critic, is talking about in my reply to James @ 78.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 22 Jun 2025 12:40 | #

Al Ross disappeared when I was having a break from the sporting (aka political) life, and I did wonder if that caused him to go to pastures anew.  Of course, ever since wintermute’s disappearance, and Fred’s too, one has had to be aware of the Reaper.  But I certainly hope that’s not the case with Al.  I, too, miss his funny if irascible Scots tenor, and I’d like him to materialise right now and assure us that he’s OK.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 22 Jun 2025 14:31 | #

@84

I concur with all of your points there.

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Re Al Ross, whenever I read his comments, I imagine them being spoken in the distinct deep Scottish accent and loud style/tone of George Galloway. lol

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:01 | #

“one has had to be aware of the Reaper.”

I suspect that is what happened to Leon Haller too. The last I heard from him is he said his health was declining.

The “End Times” are a reality for all of us, right, GW?

Death and taxes.

Live long, GW.

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:08 | #

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:06 | #

RIP Zman

https://occidentaldissent.com/2025/06/27/rip-zman/

Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 12 Aug 2025 14:54 | #

Gentlemen,

I wrote a lengthy comment yesterday on this thread, which apparently got lost in the cyber-system somehow. Very disappointing. I wonder if it can be retrieved?

An MR reading but not commenting pal alerted me to your referencing me in this comment chain, and I thought I should inform you that I haven’t met the Reaper yet, though several of our kameraden have of late - ZMan, Alex Linder - as well as three acquaintances of mine, one only 58, the others both 63. I’m about to turn 65, and am still going strong, at least in mind if no longer as much in body. I haven’t been as active in our Cause lately, though I do continue to comment in scattered places, and once I retire (in a few years at most), I shall storm back into the fray. (I explained all this and more in my unposted comment.)

I do appreciate your remembering me. I think the last time I was here was to congratulate your people in the immediate aftermath of Brexit.

This was a great site, and I’m shocked and saddened at how much the commentership - a proxy I’d bet for readership - has diminished. Thorn is correct: the decline was caused by the stupid, obstreperous and abrasive DanielS, as I believe Thorn and I warned at the time, a dozen or more years ago. I wish you had heeded us, GW, though I must say I’m truly impressed that you’ve soldiered on and continue to produce thoughtful and incisive work. I shall start poking my head around here periodically again.

This is me, as my email address will attest; whether the address is actually still valid, I don’t know, as I haven’t opened it in a long time. It’s never been my main address. My last name really is “Haller”, which is not too uncommon, but “Leon” is not my real first name. It’s a shortened version of “Leonidas”, which I liked following my seeing the movie 300 almost two decades ago, though the name was already familiar to me as I’d read a substantial portion of Herodotus in college.

Best,
Leon Haller

Posted by Thorn on Tue, 12 Aug 2025 19:18 | #

Hey, Leon. Glad to see you’re still alive and kickin’!

Yeah, it’s a shame that Majority Rights has gone so quiet. Honestly, I feel like the pro-white movement has lost its momentum, but maybe that’s just me. I hope that’s just me!

At any rate, these days, I spend most of my internet time on Facebook and traditional conservative websites, stirring things up in the comment’s sections. Recently I had a lot of fun with Zman’s *Hebrewism* article—nothing gets under Christian Zionists’ skin more than mocking them and exposing their foolishness. Seriously, who in their right mind would adamantly support the genocidal actions of figures like Netanyahu and his merry band of Likudnics? The answer: politicians corrupted by the Israel Lobby and individuals swayed by ideologies like Christian Zionism and Dispensationalism.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 13 Aug 2025 12:03 | #

Your post is welcome, Leon.  Glad to know you are still fit and well.  Your perspective is always welcome here.

There is no comment in the pending file, so I must assume that you didn’t copy your post before hitting the submit button.  Expression Engine has a shortish session time, and there is no visible way to extend it administratively.  It’s frustrating but that’s why we put the rider above the comment box!

MR has lost its writers as well as readers, and doubtless these very much go hand in hand.  Daniel’s brief was to develop it as a thinking nationalists’ magazine: OO but with more abstract offerings and less politics and reaction, that being a gap in a market which, otherwise, has been utterly blitzed by video content.  He gave it a shake, but on-line appetites were changing; attention spans shrinking, and the small miracle we achieved in 2004, when we got this baby off the ground, was impossible to do without financial muscle.  Anyway, we are where we are, and I have no intention of giving up.  I want to complete my ontology/structure/political projects, and then get the material out there if there is sufficient freedom of expression.  What else can one do in such a moment?

I hope you will continue reading MR, such as it is, and even benefitting us with a few grumbles from time to time.  Remember to copy them, though!

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:21 | #

GW,

For what it’s worth, I’m pretty sure the Charlottesville Tiki Torch march was a turning point which took a lot of momentum away from WN in general— MR readership included. It definitely was a contributing factor which caused many WN bloggers shut down their platforms and leave the scene, and honestly, who could blame them? After all, we’re up against a power structure capable of “canceling” any opposition whenever they want. If that weren’t the case, figures like Jared Taylor would be serving as senators, congressmen, or even president. However, the reality is what it is. And lest we forget, recently they set their target on Elon Musk (the richest man in the world) for stepping out of line. He was required to take a supervised trip to Auschwitz and the Wailing Wall as an act of contrition.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 13 Aug 2025 14:10 | #

“Unite the Right” evidently sundered it, Thorn.  The date was August 11 to 12, 2017.  So eight years ago yesterday.  A lot of progress has been made by civicism since, and that’s now the vehicle.  So a reforming right, not a “united” and revolutionary right, and a two-part process instead of a single push.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 13 Aug 2025 16:20 | #

“Civicism.”

Seriously?

There is absolutely no admittance into “civicism” for those identified as being part of “the basket of deplorables.” The PC gatekeepers ensure it stays that way.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 13 Aug 2025 16:40 | #

Swing of the pendulum.  It’s swinging now, and will carry on doing so in every polity in the west.  It’s already unstoppable, and it will move beyond the dicta of the civicist right:

https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/freedoms_actualisation_and_a_debased_coin_part_2

We have to be fully ready and politically engaged by 2034, I’d say.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 13 Aug 2025 21:52 | #

@96

GW,

I believe a change in our favor is more likely to come from unexpected or unforeseen events rather than a carefully planned and executed political strategy/movement. It could be a single event or a series of events that upends those who currently control the big money and power. The nature of these events is likely impossible to predict.

That said, it definitely doesn’t hurt to keep working on a coherent plan moving forward—one that benefits our people the most.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 14 Aug 2025 14:57 | #

“Mr. Trump is lying to somebody. Either he’s lying to Mr. Putin or he is lying to the Europeans.”—Dr. Gilbert Doctorow

https://youtu.be/Z4N1OZup2nc
Prof. Gilbert Doctorow : Alaska Preview

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 21 Aug 2025 12:10 | #

For various reasons, Tucker and Auron intentionally avoid directly addressing the topic of Jewish influence as central to anti-white ideology, opting instead to sidestep naming it outright. Other than that, this is a really good interview.

https://rumble.com/v6xr4go-auron-macintyre-the-american-empire-is-racing-towards-collapse.-heres-how-t.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:57 | #

I have a good idea: Let’s fuck with Russia! What a great idea!!! God, I’m so glad we in the West have such competent leaders. /s

WW3? French Hospitals Told To Prepare For A “Major Military Engagement” Within Six Months

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ww3-french-hospitals-told-prepare-major-military-engagement-within-six-months

I don’t know about you, GW, but I believe Western leaders are intentionally steering us toward a catastrophe, trying to shift the blame for the destruction of Western Europe onto Russia. Naturally, the truth would be far from that.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:15 | #

So how, Thorn, are the “Russia First” boys reframing the drone incursions in Poland overnight?  NATO provocation?  How about Tuesday’s glide-bombing of the pension office in Yarovaya, eastern Ukraine, and the killing fourteen elderly people queuing to collect their pensions?  How about Sunday’s cruise missile attack on the Cabinet of Ministers’ building in Kiev?  All the fault of “Western leaders lust for WW3”, is it?  When is this lying going to become simply impossible in the face of all the actual war-lust?

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:19 | #

GW, I believe the war was instigated by Western powers, and my main worry is that it could escalate into a nuclear conflict. Given Putin’s mindset and those around him, paired with the greedy delusional leaders of Western powers, I fear the outcome will be disastrous. Of course, people of European descent will be the big loses.

Elon Musk proposed a reasonable solution early in the invasion, but both he and his idea were strongly condemned by key NATO members.

All we can do is sit back, watch, and hope for a peaceful resolution. Our personal opinions and emotional attachments don’t actually matter.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:03 | #

I know what you believe.  You are wrong.  You are living in a bubble of propaganda.  You are relativised by it.  You are de-moralised.  It’s a shameful estate because it has you supporting Moscow and Beijing ... Russian empire and Chinese hegemony ... for no better reason than your Establishment is your enemy.  But your Establishment’s enemy is not your friend.  It s a greater enemy of your own self than is your hated Establishment, because your Establishment cannot escape from the regnant sociobiology in the west’s desiderata of human freedom and autonomy.  These things are shared by millions of unquestioning recipients of other men’s thoughts, just like you.  The problem is getting you to step up and parse the question without reverting to type and Telegram.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 10 Sep 2025 16:24 | #

GW, I understand the mindset of upper-middle-class and upper-class White Americanos. They see themselves as “woke” and reflect that perspective onto the world around them. I’ve interacted with them on a daily basis throughout my life, both in private and public settings. They are causing the problems; they are the problem! Unless their mindset shifts, the Western world will keep heading down a path of destruction.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 11 Sep 2025 13:23 | #

As you may know, a 31-year-old individual with significant influence and the real potential to defeat the dominant woke culture among America’s ruling-class was tragically assassinated yesterday. He was inspiring young people to break free from what he clearly recognized as the very harmful influence that leftists/wokesters imposed on Western culture.

Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. You will be deeply missed but forever cherished and remembered. May God Bless you.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 11 Sep 2025 17:08 | #

Charlie Kirk was Christian, and was pro-Israel and pro-Putin.  He was, at best, a civic nationalist.  As with Trump, the world he would want to see would still not be a world in which the life of native Europeans could be preserved.  The problem is that civic nationalists can sound like they “mean it”.  For example, Nick Freitas, the Republican Virginia state delegate and commentator, wrote on X:

“I don’t think they realize it yet, but murdering Charlie is going to be remembered as the day where we finally woke up to what this fight really is. It’s not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen. It’s a war between diametrically opposed worldviews which cannot peacefully coexist with one another. One side will win, and one side will lose.”

... but the reality is that the left’s final objective of equality-as-sameness is death, but so is the individualism of the right.  If one traces these back to their origin in the Judaic model of the “gentile” at the End Time and follows the line through Christianity, liberalism, and Marxism, one can see the impost, which is what it is, take on novel forms but never belong to the nature of Man. Obviously, the life of Man is structured by difference. In difference there is human will and destining, growing out, finding its meaning but never departing from its original truth, while in sameness and atomisation alike there is only absolutism forcing and crushing its victim into the required straitjacket.  The contest exists and is existential, as Freitas say, but it is so terrible and clear at its edges the civic nationalist cannot face it because he remains party to the impost.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 11 Sep 2025 17:43 | #

What truly sparked outrage among the Left toward Charlie Kirk was his latest critique of two key issues: 1) Transgenderism and 2) The horrendous problem of black criminality as it has come to the fore with the brutal racially motivated murder of Iryna Zarutska by a habitual offender. Two days ago on his show, he claimed that official data indicates 1 in 22 Black men in America will commit murder during their lifetime. He added that the actual number is likely much worse since it is typical that over 50% of murders in predominantly Black cities go unsolved - so it’s more like 1 in 15 black men commit murder during their lifetime. Obviously, Charlie crossed a line by exposing the uncomfortable truth about just how dangerous black men actually are. I knew right away that Charlie was in for some serious retribution, but I never thought it would take the form of assassination.

Charlie Kirk was destined for greatness, a born leader. In his short career, he accomplished more in opposing “anti-racism” (read anti-white racism) than all the White Nationalist websites put together. That’s why he posed such a threat to the anti-white Left.

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:50 | #

Charlotte Pocketed $3.3M From Left-Wing NGO To Empty Jails For ‘Racial Equity’

by Tyler Durden
Tuesday, Sep 09, 2025 - 04:40 PM

The optics are incredibly awful for the entire Democratic Party machine.

The brutal killing of Iryna Zarutska (Ukrainian refugee) on a commuter train in North Carolina highlights not only the willingness of leftist corporate media to cover up news stories that jeopardize their woke narratives but also the broader failure of so-called criminal justice reform, which appears to have shockingly backfired and become a major public safety threat. Adding to the mounting outrage, a leftist magistrate judge released the schizophrenic monster on cashless bail (before he killed Zarutska) - another failure point. And then there’s this: far-left nonprofits accelerated the push for disastrous criminal justice reforms.

RTWT

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/woke-kills-ngo-machine-pushed-jail-cuts-north-carolina-county-monster-stabbed-ukrainian

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 13 Sep 2025 11:53 | #

Via Amren : https://www.amren.com/news/2025/09/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words-prowling-blacks-and-the-great-replacement-strategy/

Posted on September 12, 2025Charlie Kirk in His Own Words: ‘Prowling Blacks’ and ‘The Great Replacement Strategy’

Chris Stein and Dani Anguiano, The Guardian, September 11, 2025

Charlie Kirk, the far-right commentator and ally of Donald Trump, was killed on Wednesday doing what he was known for throughout his career – making incendiary and often racist and sexist comments to large audiences.

If it was current and controversial in US politics, chances are that Kirk was talking about it. On his podcasts, and on the podcasts of friends and adversaries, and especially on college campuses, where he would go to debate students, Kirk spent much of his adult life defending and articulating a worldview aligned with Trump and the Maga movement. Accountable to no one but his audience, he did not shy away in his rhetoric from bigotry, intolerance, exclusion and stereotyping.

Here’s Kirk, in his own words. Many of his comments were documented by Media Matters for America, a progressive non-profit that tracks conservative media.

On race

If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

On debate

We record all of it so that we put [it] on the internet so people can see these ideas collide. When people stop talking, that’s when you get violence. That’s when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.

– Kirk discussing his work in an undated clip that circulated on X after his killing.

Prove me wrong.

– Kirk’s challenge to students to publicly debate him during the tour of colleges he was on when he was assassinated.

On gender, feminism and reproductive rights

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.

– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025

The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.

– Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

On gun violence

I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

On immigration

America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025

The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

On Islam

America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don’t care, that’s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

– Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

On religion

There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 6 July 2022

Posted by Thorn on Sat, 13 Sep 2025 17:43 | #

Do you still think that Great Britain’s establishment isn’t intent on fully suppressing and erasing ethnonationalists like yourself? The issue is right in front of you, yet you waste too much time and energy worrying about what Putin and Xi might or might not be planning.

Massive Crowds of British Citizens Converge on London in Support of Tommy Robinson’s “Unite The Kingdom Rally”
September 13, 2025 | Sundance | 9 Comments

As much as things change, for some reason they stay the same.
The British media, including the Daily Mail [SEE HERE] deny the crowds attending the Tommy Robinson “Unite The Kingdom” rally today in London, England.  From transparently observable videos, the scale of the crowd is easily over a million, yet the media claim only 110,000 attended.  The gaslighting is extreme. WATCH:

The U.K. media focus on what was apparently a predetermined skirmish as the authorities permitted the massive crowd to end up facing a group of around 5,000 counter-protesters. [SEE HERE]  Once again using the label “far right” and “extremist” to define any group of British citizens who stand in opposition to the globalist immigration influx.

It really is amazing how the media in Great Britain refuse to acknowledge the scale of nationalist sentiment that has been growing for the past decade.  Instead, both the British government and the British media collaborate to dismiss the majority as a fringe element of racist far-right nationalists.

read more….. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/09/13/massive-crowds-of-british-citizens-converge-on-london-in-support-of-tommy-robinsons-unite-the-kingdom-rally/

Posted by Manc on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 11:03 | #

Last Sunday saw 70,000 people attend a march against antisemitism in London. Their grievances were broadly similar to those at yesterdays rally, the Labour government, the BBC and other news outlets , the verbal and physical violence of the Left, biased policing and the activities of Islamists. So, even if we accept the low ball figure of 110.000 attendance at yesterdays rally, it would still mean that 180,000 people had taken to the streets to demonstrate about the state of the nation in seven days.

This drone footage shows the true scale of yesterdays event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gip53gbeHgU

Elon Musk’s video link address…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc7T2m39KYU

Perhaps it’s time to dust off George Washington’s 1775 Grand Union flag?

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 22:51 | #

I believe Elon Musk wants to be optimistic about England’s future, but I sense from his vibe that things are not heading in a good direction. I’m very sad to say that but it’s what I strongly believe. White people would rather prove they are not racist than defend the future of their own existence. It’s a strange phenomenon that even some African American spokesmen speak out about and are bewildered by.

Most White people are racially suicidal - it’s a bizarre psychological problem with no cure on the horizon. Whites love their dissolution. It’s a sick fetish especially prevalent within the White managerial class. If you can’t see that then you are blind by stupidity.

Posted by Manc on Mon, 15 Sep 2025 16:04 | #

If you truly believe that, Thorn, are you not the most stupid of all? wasting your time on social media promoting a lost cause? would your late life not be better spent doing something else? fishing, perhaps, or given your affiliations, going to church and earnestly praying so you don’t have to queue so long at the Pearly Gates?

As you are a cousin, an American, I cannot expect you to understand what, exactly, is happening in Britain right now, or that what is happening is not, precisely, what for example ,  GW and I might want, but I would ask you not to piss on our parade. I will become very narked if you persist.

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 15 Sep 2025 17:07 | #

I admit to being pretty damned stupid, so allow me to stupidly assume that you and GW want to maintain the genetic heritage of your land without it being changed or replaced through mass immigration/miscegenation/race-replacement. I believe English nationalism is crucial to preserving the native English gene pool. However, it is evident that those in power - from within and outside England - vehemently oppose this idea, and there’s plenty of evidence to support that! Unfortunately, the globalist power structure is winning in a major way.

Posted by Manc on Mon, 15 Sep 2025 17:52 | #

It is true that the ‘globalist power structure’ has been winning but it hasn’t yet won. This year may prove to be a turning point - and all the signs are good. Never surrender.

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 15 Sep 2025 21:49 | #

“Never surrender.”

I’m with ya there, comrade!

Posted by Thorn on Tue, 16 Sep 2025 10:44 | #

https://voxday.net/2025/09/15/nato-is-at-war-with-russia/

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 29 Sep 2025 09:30 | #

So how long will it be before the nukes fly?

U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg Says President Trump Has Authorized NATO Strikes Against Moscow
September 29, 2025 | Sundance | 20 Comments

Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The United States is the leading force within NATO. Most recently President Trump has repeatedly said that he is brokering missile sales to NATO for transfer to, and use from, Ukraine against Russia.

To wit, President Donald Trump has authorized NATO member states to deploy offensive missile systems into non-NATO Ukraine, provided by the U.S. In the latest development, U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine General Keith Kellogg has announced Ukraine has the authority to launch those missile systems deep into Russia, including Moscow.

According to General Kellogg, President Trump is authorizing NATO to strike Moscow with U.S. missiles, launched from Ukraine. How is Ukraine not a proxy war between NATO and Russia? WATCH (prompted):

This is escalating madness.  We are reasonably intelligent and pragmatic people.  We have the objective capability to look at the issues from both sides of the equation.  Look at this issue from the perspective of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The U.S. provides the missiles.  The U.S. approves the missile locations in Ukraine.  The U.S. authorizes the targets of the missiles from their location.  NATO provides the satellite guidance system. Ukraine targets Moscow and launches the missiles.

How is President Trump not directly responsible for a NATO proxy war against Russia?

The only way for President Trump to make the ‘accountability monkey’ jump now, is to exit NATO.

The reason why the EU member states of NATO want escalated war with Russia is financial and economic.  Through policy and ideology, the EU/NATO members have walked themselves into an economic dead end.  They are out of assets to leverage.  The only way out for the EU/NATO leadership is to create a war to erase debt, expand assets and reset the economics.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/09/29/u-s-special-envoy-for-ukraine-keith-kellogg-says-president-trump-has-authorized-nato-strikes-against-moscow/

 

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:45 | #

NATO is a defensive alliance.  You, Thorn, have lost yourself in the woods of MAGA conspiracy, when Trump’s apparent turn to realism should be lighting your path outa there.

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:28 | #

I’m not worried about whether NATO is a defensive alliance nor am I caught up in any MAGA conspiracy theories. What really concerns me is the risk of the conflict that started with the 2014 coup escalating into a nuclear war. It seems the conflict has taken one step closer to that.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:56 | #

You certainly are caught up in the conspiracy theories.  On these pages you have posted a litany of MAGA fictions about Putin, Russia, NATO, and “the west”, Nuland, neocons, and the CIA, very likely all of them traceable to Moscow propaganda ...  You even used the term “coup” of the Ukrainian people’s Revolution of Dignity right there in your reply.  If by some chance you don’t manage to slip that in, you will tell me how the Russian invasion is “a proxy war”.  Do you ever post about the murders of civilians in Bucha and elsewhere?  Or the huge nightly air assaults on Ukrainian civilians?  Or the child thefts?  The torture of 90% of the returned Ukrainian prisoners of war?  How about the torture and murder of Viktoriia Roshchyna, a 27 year old Ukrainian journalist taken captive and sent to a Russian prison.  Her body was returned minus eyes, brain, and vital organs so that the cause of death was made more difficult to determine.  Any sense there that just maybe you have things wrong?

The moral scales are clearly on the side of the victim people, the Ukrainians who deserve your respect and admiration.  Don’t cheapen their cause.

Posted by Thorn on Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:24 | #

That was then, this is now.

Posted by Thorn on Wed, 01 Oct 2025 21:58 | #

By the way, I still believe the Maidan event was a coup aided by the CIA, and that Russia was provoked, making this a proxy war between NATO and Russia. Gonzalo Lira believed so too, and the Zelensky regime imprisoned him and tortured him to death for his beliefs.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 02 Oct 2025 08:28 | #

Lira was imprisoned because he tried to flee the country while on a charge of justifying Putin’s invasion.  He died of pneumonia while in prison.  The torture claim was started by his father and was picked up by the usual suspects.  The rest is weakness of mind.  Wiki says:

Lira Sr. said his son was a victim of torture, and blamed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and United States President Joe Biden for causing his son’s death.[14][52][53] Russian officials, including Maria Zakharova and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, repeated this claim,[54][55] as did some Western political figures.[56] Cathy Young of The Bulwark criticized anti-Ukraine commentators for spreading misinformation about Lira and exploiting his death, and also issued a call for transparency.[56] In August 2025, the US Department of State referred to his case on the 2024 Report on Human Rights practices in Ukraine, stating that Lira “died of illness that could have resulted from neglect or improper treatment.”

One of the problems with the rejection of the mainstream narrative in all things is that one is then cast back upon the word of activists and amateurs, the latter generally partial to “clicks”.  Truth is something different.  But the average mind, writing off knowledge and professionalism from the outset, lacks the perspicacity to discriminate for it.  It is too easily led.

There is no substitute for psychological solidity.  Lira was a marginal individual all his life, seeking in Kharkiv something he could not find at home in Chile or in America.  He seems to have been a bit like Daniel in that respect, though without a like quality of mind.

The CIA coup rubbish is disproven by the actual history of Ukrainian dissent.  The proxy war rubbish is disproven by the absence of proper support for Ukraine from the Obama government to the present one, and from the actual history of FSB, Wagner, and Russian Army activity in the east of Ukraine.  Discriminate.  Don’t belong to mavericks, with or without a tenured professorship or a military past.  Don’t belong to the herd.  Of course that’s tough for any American because of the individualist tag.

Posted by Thorn on Thu, 02 Oct 2025 14:15 | #

It’s not surprising you left out “minor details” like how Lira’s pneumonia was left untreated for weeks before his death, how his captors scratched his cornea with a toothpick, and how the beatings caused chest bruising and a broken rib.

GW, you really got everything backward regarding the whole Ukraine issue.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 02 Oct 2025 23:12 | #

You do not know how Lira was injured, whether there were beatings plural, or how many such injuries were sustained by that means.  Nobody knows.  But it’s prison ... in time of war ... full of people who may not be very nice in the first place.

State torture methods, btw, tend to be focussed and systematic, and not merely beating.  But the principal point is that Lira was not a reliable witness to the war.  What happened or didn’t happen after he was remanded to trial simply does not connect to that.

Lira is a case in point that such unreliable actors, upon whom you would never rely in your own personal life, remain unreliable when they launch a politics channel on Telegram or TikTok.

Posted by Thorn on Fri, 03 Oct 2025 11:49 | #

Lira should never have been imprisoned to begin with. That’s something you fail to understand.

Posted by uh on Sun, 16 Nov 2025 17:06 | #

Alex Linder

Ah, sad. The man whose writing fired me up in the early days - in fact burned me down and created someone else - Mencken and Goebbels redivivi in one breast. My head in the clouds of early German poetry, noticing the German-sounding names and very un-German faces of the neocons pushing for war in Iraq, devil’s laughter at Linder’s screeds on that primitive-ass website, I have to be proud that I found this guy, “the guy” I thought at the time, and that his work was able to affect me so deeply. All of Linder’s spintros were mainline raw nerve affairs. He ought to be remembered as one of the most gifted American writers, far outstripping his role model, Joe Sobran.

But man, Martin Lindstedt called that shit, didn’t he? XD