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Top Wog embraces his Inner EnglishmanI’m not entirely certain whether this is simply a wind-up or whether he’s being serious, but our old chum Sunny Hundal of Guardian CiF and Pickled Politics fame has decided that being merely British (-Asian) is not good enough for him. Oh no! He’s not holding back, he’s not hiding his light under a bushel, he’s coming out and going for the full English, as in From now on I’m English, not British. Here’s the man himself, something of a rara avis in fact, a turbanless Sikh – at least that spares him the humiliations his erstwhile (non-English) fellow tribesmen have apparently been experiencing at the hands of the neo-fascists who man the security barricades at Britain’s airports.
Sunny Hundal Esq., self-proclaimed Englishman This brings nothing more to mind than the stirring aria The Yeomen of England from Edward German’s most engaging operetta Merrie England, as rendered by Sir Thomas Allen in the gardens at Buckingham Palace on the occasion of Her Majesty’s Golden Jubilee in 2002. Unfortunately that rendition is unavailable for our delectation online, but we can still enjoy this vintage interpretation from 1929. Who were the Yeomen, the Yeomen of England? There can surely be little doubt that in writing such a stirring text the librettist would have been looking forward with eager anticipation to a future epoch in which the likes of Sunny Hundal would be stepping forward to claim their place amongst the Yeomen of England. I would have liked have to offered my own congratulations to Sunny on his apparently successful effort in attaining the first prize in the lottery of life but I seemed to have been perma-banned at both Pickled Politics and his other hang-out at Liberal Conspiracy.
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 05:47 AM | # “So Griffin’s London accent, his heavy-set ‘blokeish demeanor’, charity pig-roasts, and general non-Uism, won’t be there to annoy you any more.” Angry Beard, isn’t what did it not those things but the results of the last election? Being an American, I for one never sensed the annoyance-value in some of those things you list which GW clearly did (Americans are tone-deaf to that stuff, completely tone-deaf) and I always liked and respected the man enormously and still do — but I agreed after the latest election result he had to offer to step down and let new leadership emerge. Wouldn’t any party’s leader faced with that election result have felt obligated to do likewise? I also agree with those who say it wasn’t such a bad result. It wasn’t. And I see the BNP as clearly continuing to grow and strengthen. But it was just bad enough, and he is doing right to step down. I consider Nick Griffin one of the great men of our time. A great man and a hero, accent, non-Uism, heavy-set blokeish demeanor, and all the rest. 3
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 06:35 AM | # A propos of the log entry, by coincidence while looking for something in my computer just now I stumbled on the following which must be a comment I prepared for posting somewhere then forgot to erase after posting it. As it sort of fits the present theme, I’ll stick it in here:
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Posted by Gorboduc on July 02, 2010, 07:30 AM | # Yes, yes, I agree with all that’s said abt. Mr. Hundal, who has obviously adopted some ancestors who fought on his behalf at Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Marston Moor, the Boyne and Waterloo - Hundal has probably got someone at the College of Arms to discover some arms for him, with all the correct quarterings, charges and labels (somewhere there’ll be a little gules [=red, for those who haven’t studied the Anglo-Norman vocabulary of heraldry and chivalry] to pay a fitting tribute to the Red Shield of the Rothschilds [pronounce as the Germans would, please, just to clarify the point about their history, and to get rid of the associations of youthful innocence that cluster about the English pronunciation of that ill-starr’d name]) - BUT, more importantly, whence cometh all this stuff about Merrie England? The operetta is set in the time of Elizabeth I, about as unmerry a time as could be imagined, a time of pauperisation, unemployment, rising rents, enclosing and confiscation of the common land: a time in which England groaned under a governmental inquisition, whose methods probably gave the Stasi a few hints, and whic freeely employed torture. Why, even travelling minstrels could be hanged out of hand on next to no pretext, on the grounds that they might be conveying letters on behalf of the cruelly-victimised Catholic community! England was never merry since the Reformation: it was that that led to the decline and even persecution of traditional Englishness. It was the Reformation (pace Sunic) that led to the desacralisation of our land: the abbeys, now rifled, empty and ruined, had often been the centres of continuity between ancient beliefs and Catholicism. You doubt it? Then study (e.g.) Glastonbury, where the ancient beliefs harmonised with the newer ones until both were destroyed by the New Capitalists, an especial feature of the Tudor despotism. (And you don’t need reminding WHO came into the country with them…) Bishop Corbet’s sad song “Farewell, rewards and fairies” (1620’s) bears witness to the sad fact that as the latin prayer ‘Ave Maria’ fell silent, so our landscape lost its traditional beliefs and its less visible inhabitants ... look also at John Aubrey who tried to collect the remnants of our folklore later in the 17th. century, and found them to be as full of papistry as of Gentilism, older traditional beliefs. If anything broke the back of England’s yeomanry, it was the reign of Elizabeth’s sinister masters. By the time Basil Hood provided his chauvinistic libretto for German, the word Yeomanry, although it lived on in a few regimental names, had no meaning, unless it referred to a few labourers living depressed lives in tied cottages. The show was quite possibly devised to express the State-sponsored optimism attached to the accession of Edward VII, and can easily be sem as a continuation of the recently devised traditionalism that was invented to accompany the great Golden and Jubilee celebrations of his mother Victoria: she had become woefully unpopular and these great displays of pageantry - at one of which for the first time the Anglican bishops wore vestments in public - helped to cement her status as a Great National Figure, Head of the Church of England and all the rest of it. And all that was connected with the sturdy but obtuse and deliberately-kept-in-ignorance imperialistic Protestantism that can be symbolised by Charles Kingsley (Westward Ho!) and his cult of the salty Elizabethan sea-dogs (aka, in their representative figures Drake and Hawkins, slavers and pirates.) And that sort of thing led to the disastrous South African wars, fought for Beit and Albu and the rest of the canaille ... when they needed some men to enlist in the Yeomanry… I suppose it’s possible that German (whose real name was Jones) felt some sort of kinship with the partly-Welsh Tudors: his Olde Englysshe dances from the incidental music to Henry VIII (the bits that sympathise with Katherine of Aragon are by Shakespeare, the bits that big up the Tudor dynasty are by Fletcher) are, like all his music, well-crafted and tuneful. Surely, there’s a more authentic expression of genuine English (even British) patriotism than the empty bombast of songs like Soldiers of the Queen and Sons of the Sea, and pace Dan Dare, the Hood/German confection. I suppose Newbolt’s Drake’s Drum isn’t so bad. Just so it doesn’t seem I’m always raining on the parade, (happy to rain, and more, on the egregious Mr. H), here’s a patriotic ditty by Conan Doyle: What of the bow? What of the cord? What of the shaft? What of the men? As a PS, has anyone read John Buchan’s thrilling The Blanket of the Dark, a thrilling novel that speculates on an alternative and underground England on the eve of the Reformation, that just escapes being realised, but which may still be there? Fred - I noticed your Sons of the Sea quote, which you used before, and which seems to have attracted my name to it. Remember GK Chesterton’s saying “Conquest of barbarians leads to co-operation with barbarians, which leads to conquest by barbarians”. “We don’t want to fight, but by Jingo! if we do, Thus did English militaristic “patriotism” devise the term JINGOIST: thus was a “hands off Turkey” policy popularised: and now Constantinople [aka Istanbul] may very well be coming to us in the UK! GKC referred. tellingly, to Disraeli as “The Jingo Jew.” 5
Posted by Bill on July 02, 2010, 07:51 AM | # All I know about the BNP is what I glean from their public persona both on the ‘Net and through the distorted lens of the media. Never before had the BNP enjoyed such favorable wind assisted conditions when contesting such a important election. We all know what those favourable tailwinds were (and still are.) Even though experiencing less hostile conditions, the BNP’s share of the vote was lamentable. To me personally it was a great disappointment - my heart sank. If they couldn’t harvest such low hanging fruit what chances were there? It has come to pass that my sentiments seem to be shared by many BNP supporters and activists too, how deep is the rabbit hole of discontent is almost impossible to gauge. This could well spell the end of the British National Party, it is rapidly imploding and sinking into a mass of dysfunction, such is this summer of discontent. Would this be such a terrible thing? I posted recently to the effect that the BNP, under present management, has taken British Nationalism as far as it can, the time has come to morph into something new, no baggage, no Nazis, No Hitler, no Fascism, just the honest sensible and fair British people. The BNP have performed miracles in getting British Nationalism thus far, I will be the first to thank them for their personal efforts and bravery in the face of such fearful odds. Without them it is doubtful there would be any resistance to the takeover of Britain. We shall never know. History has decreed the time has arrived when something new must emerge to carry the flame on its destined path, new people with wider horizons, peopled by people who can command support from all sections of British society. It will be a messy job, much time will be consumed with irrelevancies, but such such eventualities have to take their course, I just hope it is all over in the shortest time possible - for time is getting shorter by the day. It’s going to be a long hot summer. 6
Posted by Gorboduc on July 02, 2010, 08:16 AM | # I suppose one just has to be realistic; although not that significant, the following little bit of statistics seems accurate enough: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-black-heroes-of-trafalgar-511563.html and the statement made therein about Maclise’s painting, viewable in detail at: http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/01/0100/0100_.htm is obviously accurate. And there were of course the famous Sepoy regiments . . and there were turbanned Spahis and Zouaves in the French army at the same period. And, at the risk of being banned from this site, in the way certain people are banned from CIF, I feel I should underline my belief that it’s extremely foolish and counterproductive to pretend these things don’t happen by adding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Barber And this is a pretty accurate article. 7
Posted by the Narrator... on July 02, 2010, 08:42 AM | #
Well that does open the door for a new tactic by the BNP. Griffin could give a speech denying his party discriminates against non-English by declaring, “if that were true then how could I, Nick Griffin - a black man of Chinese origin- become the party leader?” Then again if we’re free define ourselves individually and thus collectively (as Hundal is advocating) then what objection could Mr. Hundal have to any self defined exclusivist organization or philosophy, in practice or in theory? Of course liberal philosophy empowers its proponents with unabashed hypocrisy so its followers get to have their cake and eat it too.
Because nothing celebrates ENGLISH tradition like praying to a jewish woman in a foreign language? yeah…
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 08:55 AM | # “it’s extremely foolish and counterproductive to pretend these things don’t happen” (—Gorbo) You’re making a common mistake there, Gorb: no one “pretends” that or has any reason to: as I’ve been saying since the first day I commented here six years ago, race-replacement is always a question of numbers, never of individuals. The Jews try to pin “hatred of individuals” on us but they fail: we hate only replacement of our race. We hate no individuals on account of their race. Not one. Quantities of these others coming in that number only a few are OK and let them by all means show their individual quality and contribute what they can contribute: they’re not going to singlehandedly change the country’s race, and whomever they marry and procreate with, whatever white woman, is strictly their and her business and none of ours, and won’t change the race either. We’re not complaining about drops in the ocean, we’re complaining about innundations, tidal waves of them coming in, numbers big enough to change the race. That’s the complaint. That’s the outrage. That’s what is going to be halted. The sole complaint is the wholly inappropriate numbers. Yes I have my private racial feelings about them at the level of the individual too, but those don’t give me the right to stick my nose into anyone’s business. That’s my private business and they doubtless have their private racial feelings about my race at the level of the individual and they’ve a perfect right to it and no right to stick their nose into my business on that account any more than I have. Howver, Jews, commies, and crony capitalists changing the race of my race does give me that right because then it becomes my absolute business. 9
Posted by Gorboduc on July 02, 2010, 09:14 AM | # Oh well Narrator, back to the early Stone Age with you, and if you know the name of any odd godlet about, or the name of some hunk of bluestone, then on your knees boy! yeah. I note that no-one, but NO-ONE in the kiddies’ Harry Potter books, is smart or polite enough to say “Yes”. yeah. But the facts are as Corbet saw them. Do you know any better? nah. Words you select - tradition, language, celebrate - are LATIN in origin. Didn’t you know that? erm. If you want a short Anglo-Saxon word, I can give you one: **** If you want Saxon handings-down,, I’ll give you some, in a friendlier way:. Read the poems of William Barnes, who rejected Latinate verbiage for a virile vernacular. Oh, on second thoughts, DON’T - he was a Christian clergyman. And sadly you won’t be able to make much of Milton, perhaps. duh. Hymns to the Virgin are among the brightest jewels in the crown of early English poetry. Don’ care, me. 10
Posted by Gorboduc on July 02, 2010, 09:24 AM | # Fred - I’m in total harmony about this with you.. I wasn’t trying to be critical or unfriendly about race-replacement, I’m in 100% agreement with you on this But I DO think that we shouldn’t be bringing out the tub-thumping old favourites of nostalgists. I remember a WN nationalist years ago banging on about Kipling’s sterling patriotism, and then someone came up with Gunga Din. Result, collapse and shouting. If my mate had done a bit more reading he wouldn’t have angled his claim the way he did, perhaps. We need to be inoculated a bit, and thus prepared. 11
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 09:41 AM | # Gorb, you need to know this about The Narrator, he was raised in a very Protestant society in the Appalachian region of the U.S. where they take their particular Protestantism and differences with Catholics extremely seriously. He himself is become more mellow since his upbringing but likely retains a certain general orientation that may from time to time prompt taking the sort of little dig he took at you there above. (Not a patch on the digs you’ll endure from Al Ross of course.) I’m sure though it was half or wholly in jest and he meant no offense. 12
Posted by Al Ross on July 02, 2010, 09:49 AM | # No - nothings often criticise Kipling for ‘Gunga Din’ without placing his work of art in context, viz., Empire’s Late Evening. The poem was informed by Kipling’s enthusiasm for Freemasonry, a peculiar system of morality hated by Catholicism’s gang bosses whose rival system was threatened by (usually well - educated) Masonic Brethern who had the temerity to imagine that Salvation might be possible outwith the ambit of the Jew - invented theology to which Christians are sadly addicted. While it is doubtless true that Kipling sat in Open Lodge with many elite non - Whites in British India, there is no historical evidence that he approved of mass - migration from the Sub - Continent to his beloved England. 14
Posted by the Narrator... on July 02, 2010, 10:38 AM | #
Aren’t you English? If so you just slapped down your own heritage as well, you know. .
I’ll have to take your word on that. There are a lot of books I’d like to get around to before I die. Harry Potter has yet to make the top 250 on that list.
Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Dutch_origin And how many Latin words were borrowed from Greek?
Seriously though since were talking about the effects of multiculturalism on England and language and tradition and religion…....what does Catholic mean in Latin? Fred is right in that my comment was meant mostly in jest, but also to make a point. Which is, that in discussing the pitfalls of “diversity” and amalgamating cultures, universalistic religion is probably not the best subject to draw into the discussion by our side. Christianity’s history is to much of a two edged sword (to borrow biblical parlance), being that its fundamental origins are outside of The West. We can certainly debate the effects Christianity had upon The West, but to imply it was a founding pillar of The West would play into the hands of those who insist our civilization is not of our own making and origin. ... 15
Posted by Dan Dare on July 02, 2010, 02:03 PM | #
Why ever should we not Gorbo? It’s not as though our armoury is particularly well-stocked otherwise is it? And the Re Kipling, I’d propose that ‘One Sheaf, One Vine” is more typical of the oeuvre than ‘Gunga Din’; your WN must have been very junior and quite recently awakened not to have been able to counter thusly. But to return to the original theme, ploughing through the comments attending Hundal’s CiF piece was an extremely dispiriting experience. The Mods had been particularly savage in expurgating anything even slightly heretical, although a few of the more innocuous (like ‘If your parents had moved to NZ would you be a Maori’) managed to escape the cull. But for the rest, one might have perusing the ‘I Like This’ section on I. Bismuth’s Facebook page. A prominent case in point being ‘Kingsnorth’, who I take to be the odiously oleaginous ‘progressive nationalist’ Paul Kingsnorth, well known in this parish. The following exchange starts at around 08:40 on the 24th:
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 02:03 PM | # “However, Jews, commies, and crony capitalists changing the race of my race does give me that right because then it becomes my absolute business.” (—my comment above) Here’s just a tiny further sampling of what U.S. crony capitalists have been up to besides teaming up with the Jews to impose forced race-change — crony capitalist pigs and comprador swine like President Bush and his family’s cronies, bringing America down even as they stuff their pockets and bank vaults with ever more gold and silver (the following is Kievsky quoting Buchanan):
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Posted by Dasein on July 02, 2010, 03:05 PM | # Hundal wasn’t the first wog to try this at CiF. That would another smarmy subcon, Kanishk Tharoor. [IMG]http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx249/Aletheia14/k.jpg[/IMG] It’s a rather bold technique for conquest. Send members of one ethny onto someone else’s territory, then declare them as being members of the other ethny. Jews can call themselves Palestinians and settle the occupied territories without violating any UN resolutions. The average nitwit at Cif (e.g Ozy) might not think through to the genocidal implications of such editorials. But I have to believe that the editorial board of The Guardian do realise it (and I have written them e-mails in the past to put them on notice- all unreplied, but I have the record of having sent them). Right now, these people are going for broke. Their best chance of avoiding trial for their genocidal propaganda is to see the genocide through to its end. If nationalists ever regain control of England, these people will end up in the dock. Nuremberg 2025! 18
Posted by Dan Dare on July 02, 2010, 04:03 PM | # Yes Dasein that’s certainly correct, this is a calculated and an overtly political manoeuvre intended to blunt and stifle the nascent English nationalism. The MultiKultists are becoming resigned to the eventuality of the fragmentation of the UK, and with it the withdrawal of the protective umbrella of civic Britishness. Yasmin Alibhai-Brown articulated their atavistic fears in a dialogue over eight years ago with Scottish nationalist Tom Nairn in this publication of the Foreign Policy Centre.
Hundal’s current kite-flying has much the same origins as Yazzer’s plaintive hand-wringing. Another prominent champion of the ‘new Englishness’ is the Indo-Irish Sunder Katwala who confidently expects to be handed an English passport when the English eventually and inevitably recover their own nationhood.
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Posted by Revolution Harry on July 02, 2010, 05:57 PM | # Bill, you may be interested in my take on Nick Griffin, his role within the BNP and how this fits in to the New World Order agenda. Although I share many of the concerns expressed on this blog it’s my feeling that most fail to see how this fits into this broader agenda, which is the self evident drive for world government. Understanding events from this perspective introduces several possibilities, perhaps the most important of which is thepotential for the undermining of the ‘left’s’ support for mass immigration and multiculturism (divide and rule) and greatly enhancing the moral position of those natives who are resisting being ‘race replaced’. Any attempts to prevent the further destruction of this country without first identifying and defeating the source of that destruction is doomed to failure. The idea that this is a Jewish or even solely a Zionist operation is wide of the mark. This war that is being waged against us is to a great extent a psychological one which is why I wish some of the finer minds that frequent this site would be able to see the ‘bigger picture’. This is not ‘conspiracy theory’. There are more than enough provable facts that will enable the dots to be joined. 20
Posted by jamesUK on July 02, 2010, 09:04 PM | # Seeing how Britain has engineered all the major modern wars in Europe including initiating the Cold War it is only fitting hat this guy should be English. This is the same Guardian newspaper owned by Jacob Rothschild and had a Hizb ut-Tahrir member as one of it writers/correspondents. @Fred Scrooby Wall Street wanted cheap labour while keeping China down from developing its own economy in exchange for China keeping the dollar afloat buying US bonds but the Chinese in a sign of good governance developed the own economy and investing in internal infrastructure projects and creating new markets while our governments are waging colonial war and build infrastructure projects in foreign countries trying to build a global empire with things at home are falling apart giving sovereignty to private companies and multi-national corporations like we do in 3rd world Latin American countries. So the real problem is Chinas good governance and our bad one. 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 09:21 PM | # “So the real problem is Chinas good governance and our bad one.” (—JamesUK) I’ll certainly agree with that, though maybe for slightly different reasons from yours. One simply cannot imagine worse governance than ours. What’s worse than turning every man, woman, and child in your white country into a Negro? Anyone imagine anything more insane than that? Yet that’s the plan, no this is not some bad dream, not some crazy nightmare, it’s precisely what the overlords intend for us, intend to force on us, and its implementation is unfolding right now in broad daylight, right before our eyes. I don’t see China doing that — so yes, the real problem is China’s good governance and our bad one. You’re right. 22
Posted by Gorboduc on July 03, 2010, 05:47 AM | # @ the Narrator... on July 02, 2010, 02:38 PM | I don’t see that I’ve dissed my own “heritage” in what you quote. I don’t know any Christians who express an allegiance to Rome by going about in togas. And as for this point of yours:
Sorry, that’s the way it is. Our civilisation isn’t just ours. The influence of other civilisations and cultures on us is plain to see., and there’s no point in pretending otherwise. I said earlier that the Reformation was a disaster for Europe: that’s because by 1520 Europe was a viable concept. It doesn’t appear to have been one in say 520.
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Posted by Gorboduc on July 03, 2010, 05:57 AM | # i meant to add: we’re not determined by what’s called “heritage”. We are free to accept or reject what parts we please: you possibly reject a large part of what flows from the arrival here of Ss joseph and Augustine, I accept happily what they brought us, but reject all that flows from Henry VIII and Cranmer. 24
Posted by the Narrator... on July 03, 2010, 07:55 AM | #
No one asked you to.
Trade and barter isn’t exactly what I was talking about. I think you know that.
Seriously? Well, read this first….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_reproduction You’re saying there were different variations of we down through time, as though that negates my point. But it doesn’t. There are different kinds of we RIGHT NOW. You are English. Are you also British? Are you also European? Are you also White? Are you also male? Or, you are currently alive. Winston Churchill is currently dead. Nevertheless you are both British. I could go on, but I think you get the point. In 1066, based on what specifics I can gather, my “we” (living around the English-Scottish border)were Anglo-Saxons. They were also White and also Europeans and also Christians and so forth.
It would be ludicrous. I never advocated that. I would say that (as seems to be common argument amongst Christian racialists) your notion of Christian influence (as an outside force) on Western Civilization is over exaggerated. How Europe would have developed without the importation of Christianity-in-the-form-of-Rome is anybody’s guess. But I would argue that 98% of what Catholic missionaries brought to Europe (education wise) was actually from Europe -thus already there. Rome and Greece were far and away more developed than anything residing in the Levant. Christianity was a stew of Greek philosophy, Roman politics and Oriental superstition. It was later Germanized to a great extent. Jesus and his followers were born into a world immersed in Greek and Roman influence. But they were still alien to the Occident. That’s why Christianity is both monotheistic and polytheistic at once. It was born in a cosmopolitan and multicultural stew. Europeans always had a love/hate relationship with Christianity. They liked it in a general since but fought against its specifics every step of the way, until recently. In fact I’d say that rather than being post-Christian The West is today more Christan than ever, in that the specifics of Jesus and Paul’s teachings and philosophies are more closely adhered to.
Scroll up to the top of this page and look at the mug in that first picture. THAT is, ultimately, what they brought you. And millions more like him. In fact THAT is probably pretty close to what Joey, Augustine and Jesus all looked like. If only Kermit had been on Britain’s shores back then…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo5ReJip0Hk 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2010, 09:24 AM | # LOLOL!! That Kermit clip is first rate, Narrator!!! I hadn’t seen that before. Short and to the point! 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2010, 09:36 AM | # Here’s Narrator’s short Kermit clip, this time directly clickable on the page, for everyone’s convenience: Click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo5ReJip0Hk (It’s great the way puts aside his banjo, reaches for his rifle and cocks it, all in one smooth motion, as he answers the guy) 28
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2010, 09:39 AM | # Watch this clip get removed from YouTube for “Terms of Service Violation” once the you-know-who start complaining. Better burn a copy now. 29
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 03, 2010, 09:49 AM | # Someone needs to photoshop Sunny Hundal’s face onto the guy in the canoe and re-post that on YouTube. 30
Posted by uh on July 03, 2010, 09:57 AM | # Scroll up to the top of this page and look at the mug in that first picture. THAT is, ultimately, what they brought you. And millions more like him. In fact THAT is probably pretty close to what Joey, Augustine and Jesus all looked like.
In fact I’d say that rather than being post-Christian The West is today more Christan than ever, in that the specifics of Jesus and Paul’s teachings and philosophies are more closely adhered to.
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Posted by uh on July 03, 2010, 10:03 AM | # Someone needs to photoshop Sunny Hundal’s face onto the guy in the canoe and re-post that on YouTube. Bwahahaha. Man, I HATE Sikhs. The ONE caste more arrogant than the Brahmins. The Muslims could’ve done the world a favor in wiping them out after the Partition. Perhaps that’s too far for this blog ..... 32
Posted by Guessedworker on July 03, 2010, 12:32 PM | # uh,
It is really, yes. But I think you know that. You are someone who chooses his words with care. Well anyway, let’s put that one down to experience and move on to something more interesting. I have no personal comprehension of this fascination with pity you describe, nor with its close relative and fellow contender for the crown of Most Maladaptive Christian Meme, guilt. The religious appear to differ as to whether they are secularised or not only insomuch as they perceive the identification of sin and salvation from it as personal or collective. I agree, sadly, with the conclusion you infer but do not state, that Christianity is at the very least the vector of much that presses down upon our survival today. Yet the religious must have their religion. We can’t just invent an alternative - religions are not white rabbits and, anyway, who wears top hats these days. We can’t reduce faith without reducing the number of faithful - and I’ve got into trouble suggesting that one in the past. So it seems to me that the only answer is to outclass Christian salvation, which is not that difficult, in fact, and allow the stronger idea to freely compete in (at least) the secular market place. For some reason, notwithstanding your uncharacteristic moral mudbath just now, I think you will follow this argument. But if not, just forget I ever mentioned it. 33
Posted by Dan Dare on July 03, 2010, 02:07 PM | # It would be interesting to trace and date the events and influences which led to organised Christianity (in the form of the established church) changing its role from one of saving souls and dispensing fire and brimstone to one of international social work and diversity outreach consultancy. When I was a kid, and still attended church fairly regularly as most schoolkids did for events like Whitsuntide (now Spring Bank Holiday) and the Harvest Festival (now defunct), vicars didn’t bring their guitars to church nor did they use their pulpits as a platform from which to organise campaigns to thwart the deportation of illegal aliens. Perhaps Gorbo can shed some light on what happened and what if any prospect he sees that the official denominations (including the RC) might yet desist from their present socially-corrosive practice and revert to a role similar to the one they held in saner times. 34
Posted by Captainchaos on July 03, 2010, 03:29 PM | # The drive to reduce the number of individuals genetically predisposed towards faith and to increase the number of individuals genetically predisposed towards faithlessness in a given genepool would most likely not come without the cast of mind which valued the former less than the latter. Were one serious one would feel no prohibitive compunction in using instruments of state power to effect it - even though the faithful may well feel that the state to which they were expected to be loyal was engaging in a process of their “dehumanisation.” That is unless those who possessed the power of the state were moved by pity for the faithful to the degree that they would not pursue a policy of culling the numbers of the faithful; or unless they merely thought they couldn’t as a practical matter get away with it - in which case concern at the resultant “dehumanisation” of the faithful born of pity would not be a consideration. And if they were not moved by pity the “dehumanisation” of the faithful would most likely not be of concern to them, only the possibility of pursuing their preferred course of action costing them their own ass. 35
Posted by Gorboduc on July 03, 2010, 06:26 PM | # Narrator - Don’t talk rubbish. Ss Joseph and Augustine had nothing to do with the arrival of Mr. Sunny H. As for the Constitution, that’s held my quite a few people to be highly masonic, and therefore secretly judaic. Dan - I’ve tried to shed light on what happened on lots of occasions here. Briefly, in about two minutes: The west was weakened by the Reformation - Protestantism and Capitalism go hand in hand, and Protestantism tried also to tame the popular culture FAR more than the Catholic Church did. Then there was Vatican II. 36
Posted by Gorboduc on July 03, 2010, 07:23 PM | # “CAMPION’S BRAG” A high price was put on his head, which demonstrates the awe and fear he generated in the hearts of the authorities, and he was betrayed, tortured and then handed over to a grossly unfair trial whose inevitable result was his death by hanging, drawing and quartering. This document, known as “Campian’s Brag” was printed on his secret press. The second part of section VIII is frequently quoted.
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Posted by FB on July 03, 2010, 10:50 PM | #
What would you do with this individual, DD? 38
Posted by Lurker on July 03, 2010, 11:03 PM | # I dont know about DD but I would send him ‘back’ to India. Sine race is irrelevant and culture all, he and the other English/British/American Indian exiles can work together to recreate a western society on the Indian subcontinent. Shouldnt take them long. After all with the provisos Ive mentioned and the fact that he and they are indespensible to us, I would expect the process to be done in a generation. Just imagine all that talent concentrated in one Indian state! 39
Posted by uh on July 04, 2010, 12:07 AM | # Yet the religious must have their religion. That’d be acceptable if they were all Gorboducian Christians, extraordinarily literate and a joy to read, every utterance an affirmation of englishness (or whatever). Most westerners are there-must-be-something airheads. Nothing can compete for their attention or allegiance; and anything that could, would have little to do with any superior weltanschauung offered by us. Unlike you and CC, it appears, I don’t believe faith is genetically determined; from what little I’ve gleaned from the psychological sciences, I maintain it is entirely social. Thus the need to reduce the faithful is not a eugenic program in that sense, which would be kindlier than the reality here: that the faithful, the starry-eyed, the believers, would have somehow to be themselves purged in the mass to regain control of humanity. In fact that has never been tried, because only now do we talk in just these terms. Nor was National Socialism a true approach to extirpating the semantics of faith from collective consciousness, as I probably don’t have to argue to you, though I suppose it would’ve come close enough to purging humanity of the accumulated ideological garbage of two-thousand years of Christianity, redelivering the European or at least the German soul to a clear conscience. Holding that faith is genetic allows one to take refuge from the “time-binding” (or historical) tenacity of ideological and emotional contagion—if it is genetic it can be bred out of men (which is ahistorical), whereas if it is social, the only way to be rid of it is to neutralize the social carriers, and that couldn’t be pretty; I’m not merely hinting at slaughter and the like, but at least some very great upheavals, the sort that would leave humanity reeling, shell-shocked, half-starved and disinclined to “believe” anymore. So long as one nucleus of believers is left standing, the contagion will survive and spread again. It would be the very greatest task undertaken by men, and no less possible in theory than the total deracination wrought by Jews and their cohorts over the last century, to reverse these two millennia of religious backwardness not because of any petty aversion to Christian doctrine or symbolism, but to finally rescue our kind from its epistemological falsehoods (free will, blah blah blah), and raise up from them a finer, nobler, sturdier crop of men to lead a higher collective life. I believe this was Nietzsche’s grand plan for mankind. It’d be a worthy one, though not the only or most urgent. I’m just trying to distinguish Gorboduc’s learned Christianity—which any literate man could get behind—and the epistemological suppositions of “Christianity” or the anti-Christianity left in its wake in the heads of moderns. Not only is it possible to disprove and outclass Christian salvation, it has already been done, and need only be insisted upon to the point of mania to be taken seriously again. By anyone. Ugh. On fait le blabla, non? At the end of the day this wog gets press for playing Englishmun, and I, partly of English blood, have no real connection to the land of my grandfather. Bitterness! 40
Posted by Dan Dare on July 04, 2010, 02:08 AM | #
If I were in charge FB, I would err on on the side of generosity and proffer him a certificate of permanent residency and appropriate travel documentation (but not English citizenship), but would not confer the right to import a spouse or any member of his extended family. It that did not satisfy, then I would be prepared to put forward a resettlement grant in the low tens of thousands that would enable him to relocate to the ancestral homeland of his choice. 41
Posted by IAE on July 04, 2010, 10:38 AM | # So in this brave new era of ‘self-identity’ – could a person charged with a so-called ‘hate’ crime merely say: ‘No your honour, it wasn’t a racial incident as I self-identify as a Paki’? Would Sunny agree with this defence, I wonder?! 42
Posted by Sam Davidson on July 04, 2010, 12:16 PM | # To be born in the West is indeed first prize in the lottery of life. (Too bad it’ll be gone soon!) 43
Posted by FB on July 04, 2010, 02:23 PM | # If you let wogs stay, DD, how does that solve the question of English EGI? What does it matter from that perspective what type of documents they possess? Racial proximity = exogamy. Again, his presence in England is the problem not the type of papers he might have, no? 44
Posted by FB on July 04, 2010, 02:44 PM | # uh, we get secular humanism in the wake of Christianity: an even worse poison. Upheavals and the like (not sure what you mean by that Mad Max scenario) produces more, not less, faith in gods and leprechauns. 45
Posted by Captainchaos on July 04, 2010, 03:39 PM | # I don’t know, the idea of breeding a master caste of racist atheists has some delicious similarities to the SS. But I fear the probable result, once all those pitiable faithists figured out that essentially genetic warfare had been declared against them, would be the precious few genetic atheists there are swinging from lampposts. Wouldn’t removing all racially undesirable elements, bribing the lemmings with consumer goods and good jobs, and brainwashing the lemmings with propaganda like the filthy Krauts did be easier? 46
Posted by FB on July 04, 2010, 03:51 PM | # Does C’C every post on here and anywhere else he happens to spam banalities makes references to the Third Reich, SS, Hitler, Jews, and the entire NS phantasmagoria? I’m sure he even inserts his monomania on sports and cars fora. What an obsessive-compulsive one-man freak show: the über Third Reich fetishist. 47
Posted by Armor on July 04, 2010, 05:05 PM | #
Maybe we’ll send the immigrants back home and the West will be saved. Life is not a complete lottery. If you are white, it means that you were born to white parents. It’s normal that you should live in the West among other whites. If you are a non-white living in the west, or if you are the last white person living in a Western city invaded by non-whites, it is likely to be the result of Jewish activism, not life lottery. In France, there was a song by Maxime Le Forestier in 1987 titled “Né Quelque Part” (born somewhere). It’s been on the French radio about a million times. I’ll translate the lyrics: You don’t choose your parents, To have been born somewhere <-- ? don't ask me! ) — 48
Posted by uh on July 04, 2010, 05:48 PM | # Upheavals and the like (not sure what you mean by that Mad Max scenario) produces more, not less, faith in gods and leprechauns. I’m not advocating or fantasizing about that sort of thing, just pointing out that only events of that scale would remove believers from the memepool, or at least level the playing field a little. It shouldn’t be hard to think of humanism / Christianity / multiculturalism as a cult in the clinical sense, for which the individual solution is some drastic form of therapy—talking won’t do it, only trauma; those who leave cults on their own are usually alienated by trauma, whence they can be coaxed the rest of the way by outsiders without need of further trauma. It’s this complex psychological mess that is entirely side-stepped by maintaining faith is genetic, which is even linguistically absurd, without meaning to offend anyone at this point. Anyway, because “exit therapy” requires so much work, mass therapy is of course out of the question: and here mass trauma would be eminently useful. Point here is, referring the piled-up ideological dross of centuries to genes won’t move that mountain. In any case, war is better for us than this shit.
Man, I don’t know. I’m trying not to indulge in grand scenarios. The only sure way, if one wishes our kind to retain a collective toe-hold in mass society at all—which I think is quixotic, as you know—is the slow infiltration model: willful men moving elsewhere and raising children explicitly for the role of working their way into legislative positions in the target nation. Impossible nowadays? Probably; things are much more settled than in the days when Jews could pull it off and in any case the mental poison precedes us everywhere. “End of history”, critical mass & all that. The system is perfected, the spaces in which we exist rigidly maintained physically and ideologically, and it remains only to plug up holes, to tweak here & there when some nasty little anachronistic impulse impertinently makes itself known. That being us. I’ve been living in Portland for about six months, and though the whites here are psychotics or dullards, we should be emulating some of their collectivist habits—beginning with where & among whom we live as individuals. If it’s community you want, in this age it has to be made from scratch like a good poolish. Heretofore white racialist collective experiments have been compounds & the like. Which is all very weird and appropriately bygone. But how these cats do it is sane, healthy, fun, and provides them with a community support most of us utterly lack. How much better it would be for some of us, at least, if instead of living “atomized”, alone, at the mercy of the invasive races and the goyish masses, we could rely on some small communal body, not just for protection or the feeling of being protected, but even just to lighten the burden of existing in this era. That’s what I’d like to see first—which is about all that can really be done that isn’t already being done. Anyway, I don’t say believers are racially undesirable—that’s a misrepresentation. Most of them are racially much easier to look at than me, LOL. I would like to see those with childish & primitive ideas, however, put out of the way at last to make room, at least for a couple centuries, for new developments, if for nothing else than to refresh mankind from the monotony of snowballing historical enculturation. What is needed is a break with the present, but it’s cheating the slow development of events to posit the need for another so soon after the last (‘45). Nietzsche writes— “The Christian vengeance against Rome.—Perhaps nothing is more fatiguing than the sight of a continual conqueror: for more than two hundred years the world had seen Rome overcoming one nation after another, the circle was closed, all future seemed to be at an end, everything was done with a view to its lasting for all time—when the Empire built anything it was done with a view to being aere perennius. We, who know only the “melancholy of ruins,” can scarcely understand that melancholy of eternal construction from which men endeavored to save themselves as best they could, with the light-hearted fancy of a Horace, for example. Others sought different consolation for the weariness closely akin to despair, against the deadening knowledge that henceforth all progress of thought and heart would be hopeless, that the huge spider sat everywhere and mercilessly continued to drink all the blood in its reach, no matter from where it might come .... “ Here, I think, early European Christianity has things to teach us about how to live. It’s at least within our reach to escape the spider singly or in bands, if we choose, and live in the old “faire felde ful of folke.” 49
Posted by uh on July 04, 2010, 06:01 PM | # Theoretically, you could also have the body of the Yeti, or of Sunny Hundal, and self-identify as an English little girl. LOL. You haven’t been smacked full in the face by modernity until a haggard, balding man in his forties has identified himself to you as a woman. “It’s just change,” they say. The invariable retort must be: “It’s just the Jews.” Droll that those readiest to embarrass you with their belief in a guiding cosmic intelligence are the first to abandon this principle when you let them you’re dissatisfied with the drift of population “trends”. It’s all supposed to be random, chancy, no one’s fault, design or responsibility—just where it is altogether by the design of a (mis)guiding worldly intelligence. 50
Posted by Gorboduc on July 04, 2010, 06:55 PM | # Uh - why thankyou! we do our best. I should just remind you that the St. Augustine I mentioned was not the one of Hippo (and also of Milan) who lived 354-430 and wrote the Confessions, but St. Augustine of Canterbury, sent from Rome by Gregory the Great to the English in 597. He baptised King Ethelbert of Kent, and was the first Archbishop of Canterbury, dying in 604/5. There is NO continuity between him and the drippy guy who today has feloniously usurped his title, one Mr. Rowan Williams: were the two to met. the REAL Augustine would condemn Rowan as a heretic, schismatic and pseudo-priest, and make him eat a whole parchment copy of the Koran, and would have him soundly whipped and then delivered to wherever sharia law is most rigorously interpreted. 51
Posted by Gudmund on July 04, 2010, 10:28 PM | #
Actually that comment was quite fun to read. Good stuff. I’m not sure I agree with *all* of it, but I don’t really have the time these days to get into particulars so I’ll just say: Bravo! 52
Posted by Gudmund on July 04, 2010, 10:31 PM | #
I suggest you look up “irony” in your copy of Webster’s. 53
Posted by Gudmund on July 04, 2010, 10:39 PM | # FB does have a point, of course, the English genotype will disappear if these racial aliens are allowed to stay and “integrate.” What it will entail is the British Isles becoming the Little Subcontinent, since if you cross a wog with an Englishman, you get a wog. This is slow motion genocide. I don’t see how this scenario can be evaded so long as aliens are allowed to stay. Anti-miscegenation laws will not be enough, they never were in the past, and bear in mind the foreigners for the most part breed like rats so your “numerical superiority” won’t last long. 54
Posted by Captainchaos on July 05, 2010, 12:19 AM | # Jesus, Friedrich, if you persist in taking your new role as nazi hunter and neocon shill so seriously you’ll never live to be as old as your idol, Elie Wiesel. You’re going to give yourself a heart attack. Just chill the fuck out. 55
Posted by Grimoire on July 05, 2010, 01:29 AM | # >uh
Apparently the above ideas were posted by a avowed Nationalist and not another example of the type of civilizational mind rot that got us where we are today. Yes, we must allow vulgar. coarse and diseased minded materialists to keep busy with plans to exterminate our own culture and people….once of course, we stop first the jews , then it’s the materialists turn. It’s only fair. And no one is more qualified and eager to make life on earth a living hell You so called Darwinists are really something ......... ugly. 56
Posted by Captainchaos on July 05, 2010, 05:53 AM | # Ben Tillman at Mangan’s - England, stick a fork in it, he says:
And Dare wants to let the wogs stay. This goes to confirm my suspicion that those who see fit to moralize against National Socialism will eventually go weak in the knees instead of doing what needs to be done to save the race from genetic annihilation. Their pathetic moralism being more important to them than the existence of their people. That is race treason, plain and simple. 57
Posted by Dan Dare on July 05, 2010, 01:30 PM | # The current chatter in this thread concerning the ‘faithful’ and the ‘faithless’ merely serves to obscure a more elemental truth: the important faultline does not lie between believers and infidels as such, but rather between those whose faith is socially corrosive and those whose is not. Gorbo scoffs at the incongruities of a band of neo-pagans he recently encountered, protesting that they do not represent any heritage that he would personally embrace. However, it’s a fair bet that many ‘neo-pagans’ (if not Gorbo’s particular sample, not to mention Gorbo’s own ancestors in the distant past), would readily believe that the neolithic barrow at Belas Knap is an ancient representation of the Great White Goddess, ‘Ma’, in recumbent pose. Ma is the middle figure in the Triple Goddess triptych, the ur-deity and goddess of creation that Robert Graves tells was banned by Christian theologians almost two thousands years ago, and by Jewish theologians before that. Countless other representations of Ma, natural and man-made, populate the pre-Christian landscape although we have been taught not to recognise them.
Belas Knap long barrow at Cleeve Hill in Gloucestershire So while Gorbo is airily dismissive of Ma, and those whose faith entails a belief in her, he would no doubt insist that his own faith is nourished and reinforced by images which depict the Holy Ma, as in this one in which the Blessed Virgin receives celestial notification of the results of her pregnancy test. It would be rare to find an RC establishment that did not have something similar on display, somewhere.
The Annunciation: Sandro Botticelli No doubt many here are somewhat on the fence when it comes to a choice between Ma and Holy Ma, but can there be any serious question about which is more in keeping with our own natural sensibilities, and which has turned out to have been the more malevolent influence? 58
Posted by Thorn on July 05, 2010, 03:29 PM | # July 05, 2010 How Europeans Invented the Modern World By David Deming “Both Greece and Rome made significant contributions to Western Civilization. Greek knowledge was ascendant in philosophy, physics, chemistry, medicine, and mathematics for nearly two thousand years. The Romans did not have the Greek temperament for philosophy and science, but they had a genius for law and civil administration. The Romans were also great engineers and builders. They invented concrete, perfected the arch, and constructed roads and bridges that remain in use today. But neither the Greeks nor the Romans had much appreciation for technology. As documented in my book, Science and Technology in World History, Vol. 2, the technological society that transformed the world was conceived by Europeans during the Middle Ages.
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Posted by Gorboduc on July 05, 2010, 03:29 PM | # Funny you should say that, Dan. I’d spent a large part of the weekend contemplating the temples (?) at Avebury. Revise a bit on your biblical history, please, before you display your “satirical” abilities, by which I mean your abilities as an ignorant scoffer. the Angel is telling Mary “Thou SHALT conceive…” so all the funny not-so-ha-ha stuff about pregnancy tests is a bit redundant. Graves is a more than a bit unreliable: he had no Welsh, which I understand is pretty essential for dealing with early Welsh poetic texts which supposedly underpin his case, and recent biographical research makes it pretty certain that a lot of the stuff he claims as fact in The White Goddess (and also in The Greek Myths) was invented out of thin air. I do however, respect him as a poet, and I respect some parts of his achievements in classical scholarship, especially his hilarious essay “These be thy Gods, O Israel!” in which he thoroughly trounces Pound’s claims as a translator of Propertius, and of most of the other texts he handled! Whatever we “know” about ancient worships that have left us no texts is almost ALL modern invention.: at least we Christians have the Bible and the Fathers’ commentaries thereon. Antiquaries from Stukeley to the late John Michell have patiently elaborated all sorts of theories: more sober archaeologists (and Stukely began as a pioneering one, before the intoxication of his subject caused him to elect himself CHYNDONAX, the Arch-Druid and to equate Bacchus with Jehovah…) are still mystified, and there is no uniform agreement about most of the ancient sites in Britain. Were the associated burials foundation sacrifices, or were the stones and barrows purely funerary? It seems to be agreed that monuments have long and complicated histories: rebuilding took place, sometimes over a millenium, usages changed. One belief may have persecuted another: if the diamond-and-obelisk pairings at Avebury represent male-and-female symbolism, perhaps Avebury demonstrates the arrival on the scene of a Pa to consort with Ma. My old acquaintance the late Antony Roberts, who died at Glastonbury, was an interesting thinker who claimed that the supposed feminine symbolism imposed on our landscape by earlier cultures is actually a fancy invention of modern feminists, and he was happy to point out imposing masculine characteristics in our hills and plains that were equally overlooked. How DO you recognise Ma’s images? Is she the Long Man at Wilmington, or the White Horse? Is Cymbeline buried at Kimble’s Castle? In Prospero’s words, it’s difficult to perceive anything “in the dark backward and abysm of time” Oh, and although I possess an extremely fine late-Neolithic axe-head, found in the Thames valley, which for polish and beauty equals many fine museum specimens, and which is a sheer delight to hold in the hand, so beautifully is it moulded to the grasp, I think it’s Botticelli I’d be for putting on my wall, yes, even over the Axe and the most beautiful cup-and-ring slabs! Incidentally, I’d be grateful to anyone who can tell me how to transmit pictures along with the comments! I’m envious of your Goddess barrow, Dan! 60
Posted by Dan Dare on July 05, 2010, 04:48 PM | # Gorbo, those of us without any skin in the game are finding your partisan boosterism of the Holy Ma, depending as it seems to do on a strenuous debunking of the ‘Ma cult’, more than a little mirthful. But since you ask for further evidence of Ma-figures in the landscape, consider as a for instance the mammarian form of Mam Tor, with its own perfectly-formed man-made teat on the very top.
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Posted by Gorboduc on July 05, 2010, 04:52 PM | # Dan: Sorry, I should have just said “tool” or “scraper” not axe-head, as axe-heads are made to attach to shafts, not hold in the hand. 62
Posted by Gorboduc on July 05, 2010, 05:11 PM | # I don’t debunk the Ma-Cult, because as a tradition, it doesn’t exist. Re the “teat”: how many barrows, circles etc were thoroughly rifled and hacked about by incompetent and greedy excavators from c. 1800 onward?
Look at historical photographs of most of our major sites during excavation - huge trenches, piles of chalk and earth, visitors wandering about . . . then a general covering up and smoothing off. Has the “teat” been opened? What’s the date of the earliestknown reliable image of its appearance, so we can judge whether or not any reconstruction has taken place? What percentage of the stones at Stonehenge and Avebury were moved, replaced or re-erected in the last 150 years? Even Burl admits that we can’t be sure if some sites are 3.000 years old, or were set up as follies between, say, 1750 and 1920…
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Posted by Dasein on July 05, 2010, 05:23 PM | # Gorboduc, You can hotlink images using the ‘IMG’ tag. open the tag: [IMG] i.e. put that url in between the opening and closing tags (try it with preview on the comment submit form). You should then see this: [IMG]http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx249/Aletheia14/k.jpg[/IMG] You might also consider creating a Photobucket account where you can keep copies of all the image files you use (in case the site you link to removes or replaces it- in fact, it’s considered poor net etiquette to hotlink images from external sites). 64
Posted by Sunny Down Under on July 05, 2010, 05:41 PM | # Dan Dare, If I were in charge FB, I would err on on the side of generosity and proffer him a certificate of permanent residency and appropriate travel documentation (but not English citizenship), but would not confer the right to import a spouse or any member of his extended family. Sounds good. Phew. For a minute I thought you were going to cave in and let ‘em all stay and eventually interbreed you out of existence. Lol. Seriously, what’s the point? How the in the world can someone like me be considered an “enemy” if this ‘ere self-styled doyen of discrimination proposes a whole lot bloody less than even an alleged “race-replacement proponent” like myself? Shit, Dan. One wonders. Will Dan the man then, like the klan, propose to ban pairings Paki, Bantu, Gook or San?
Gets richer by the minute: “the ancestral homeland of his choice.” Who knows, maybe he can be English then? Dan, if you’re going to be reasonable about whole thing, then why not offer a grant on the basis of the adoption of an English child? That actually represents a racial solution—which is what is required to a racial problem. Where does he get the English child? Obviously it’ll do no good to simply shift an English baby from one family to another. The child will have to be procreated for the purpose, utilizing that new-fangled reproductive technology. And if one is going to go that far, then why not go for gold and use the best (“highest probability”) genes? If the grant is offered on the basis of the recipient’s remaining childless his own contribution to the racial problem terminates with his passing away; not only that, you get a swanky new English kid to replenish and, ideally, improve the gene pool. Who’d go for such a deal? Not too many, I wouldn’t think. But some would. And just the offer of it improves your movement’s image—“Hey, we’re trying to make this easy.” Of course, if things heat up the way they’ll have to for the nutzis among you to have a shot I’d bet there would be quite a few more takers, even if just a way to be able to tell the nutzis, hey, back off a bit will ya, things aren’t as dire as you claim. Now, I confess, there’s not a great deal about “being” or been or becoming or going or whatever to any of this, so I don’t think it’s going to tickle gee-dub’s fancy. But I think you’ll agree there’s a good chance the average bloke might consider it and say, well, yeah, now that seems like a fairly fair deal. 65
Posted by Dan Dare on July 05, 2010, 05:43 PM | #
Well we all know that, the discussion is more about why, and whether what has replaced it has turned out to be better or worse for us. I’d say matters have taken a very serious turn for the worst in the past half-century or so. As for Mam Tor, I don’t believe that the two (probably late-Neolithic) burial mounds have ever been excavated, although the much larger Iron Age hill-fort which circles the summit has been extensively worked over. The teat was dry-stoned over sometime in the 30s and a cairn erected on top as a trig point. If anyone still slumbers under it they’re unlikely to have been disturbed. It’s more than thirty years since I’ve been up Mam, in earlier days one of our favourite days out was to take the bus to Hayfield, climb Kinder Scout then Mam, train home from Edale. 66
Posted by Gorboduc on July 05, 2010, 05:51 PM | # Dasein: thanks a lot! Not so sure about the example, though! I’ll try it. No, I wasn’t going to pinch anyone else’s pics, being a keen amateur snapper. Dan: there are very few MAM- place-names in England. But there’s also a strong possibility that MAM merely means breast - in which cases there’s nothing cultic, only an anatomical resemblance, as in “The Paps of Jura”. Your ” teat” would be appropriate then. If the Mother connection was likely, and there are so many mother-symbolising sites about, it’s surprising that there aren’t more MAM- names. Did the church suppress them? There’s Motherwell in Scotland, though, famous for football, steel, and a Catholic diocese. Plenty of PA- and DAD- nams, plenty of COCK- names: and don’t forget the famous Balls pond Road! Whose head is being referred to in our many PEN- names? Bran the Blessed, The Green Knight’s? Apparently the RAF personnel who often overfly Glastonbury Tor refer to the prominent mediaeval tower that crowns it as “The Nipple”. So any such name could be jocular rather than reverential! 67
Posted by Gorboduc on July 05, 2010, 06:01 PM | # He’s back! SDU = Silver, neo-Nietschze, Slav -whatever and all the others too! Dan - well there you are, the teat isn’t old! Trig-point indeed! Still, I’d like to climb it. Perhaps a couple of pints might mellow our disagreements? 68
Posted by Dan Dare on July 05, 2010, 06:58 PM | #
This is true, but there are relatively pre-Roman place-names in general. A number have survived with the same IE root ‘Ma’, especially where a spring or well continues to have an ancient ritual association with the Great Goddess - Madron in Cornwall and Matlock Bath in Derbyshire being two examples. Marden Henge, the ‘mother’ of all neolithic structures, is another. ‘Mam’ means ‘mother’ in all the Keltic languages, and is derived from the same root as ‘mater’ in Greek and Latin, ‘matar’ in Sanskrit not to mention Mutter (German) and moeder (Dutch). There’s a lot more Ma around than would first appear, she’s a tough old bird who hasn’t been entirely ausgerottet yet! Let’s meet up for pint of Robbie’s at the Bulls Head in Castleton next time we’re both in the area. Best to make after visiting Mam though! 69
Posted by Gudmund on July 05, 2010, 07:33 PM | #
Groan. SDU = Silver, naturally, as his new name is even a reference to his land of residence (now or in the past). He is not the other two, as I’m sure he will gladly confirm (or maybe, cloak and dagger sort that he is, he will not). Do yourself a favor and compare his style to NeoNietzsche’s, take a look at NN’s blog v. Silver’s blog. They are not the same entity, or I’m a saucepan. 71
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 06, 2010, 12:18 AM | # See your government-imposed race-replacement immigration at work: there are to be no more Cockneys in the new & improved, vibrant, enriched London:
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Posted by Gorboduc on July 06, 2010, 06:39 AM | # One treacherous bastard who encourage de whi’e youf a spikka da black lilka da bruddas innit mon, he TIM WESTWOOD Well he got shot, but unfortunately he still does it. When small, I was told when pulling ugly faces that if the wind changed I’d get stuck like it - no way back. The vocal equivalent of this must have happened happened to Westwood. I suppose it’s not his fault. His father was a man I used to know a little bit, the Anglican “bishop” of Edmonton. There was a sort of lower-class inflection hovering over “Bishop” Bill Westwood’s voice, and there were also traces of a poofter pronounciation. Nothing like the real Cockney though. No sense of fun. His sermons were embarassingly poor, and I used to twist about unhappily in the choir-stalls while he displayed his vocal prowess using a sort of slightly nasalised early-John-Major-like twanginess. I don’t live anywhere near the East End of London, but I can’t understand anything anyone says on the buses round here. It could be increasing age, but it’s more likely that it’s because they’re all speaking Turkish. Westwood represents a temporary problem: it soon won’t be necessary to reform the speech habits ob de whi’e s**t a la Westwood ‘cos der won’ BE no mo’ whi’e s**t rahn ‘ere, innit mon? God bless the man who named Tim’s phony black patois “twatois”. Chap I know tells me that one reason that “chaves” or “Essex man” or “Essex girl” receive such a bad press is that in some ways they maintain a traditional Englishness. 73
Posted by NeoNietzsche on July 06, 2010, 10:07 AM | # SDU = Silver, neo-Nietschze, Slav -whatever and all the others too! Groan. SDU = Silver, naturally, as his new name is even a reference to his land of residence (now or in the past). He is not the other two, as I’m sure he will gladly confirm (or maybe, cloak and dagger sort that he is, he will not). Do yourself a favor and compare his style to NeoNietzsche’s, take a look at NN’s blog v. Silver’s blog. They are not the same entity, or I’m a saucepan. —————————————— Gorboduc is not a saucepan. “Silver” @ Accidental Dissent lately disagrees with “Norbert H.” on a central prognostication and orientation that aligns with my own. NN 75
Posted by Lurker on July 06, 2010, 08:29 PM | #
I first saw that in Viz comic, who originated it I dont know. I use the term wherever possible. Its not just Tim though, many white boys adopt this speech, girls less so. Its very much an affectation though, so you will hear one boy talking that way but an older or younger brother will not. Dont really hear it amongst children, it starts to pop up in the teens. It does have the effect of making the speaker sound stupider than they are - or confirms that stupidity perhaps. 76
Posted by Grimoire on July 06, 2010, 10:51 PM | # ah, something wicked this way comes. Anyway Hexenmeister, it is good to hear of you again. 77
Posted by NeoNietzsche on July 07, 2010, 08:31 AM | # Brer G., I usually dignify derisive comments regarding myself by including such in the “Superhuman Thought for the Day” column, in the “Tards on Parade” subcategory thereof, over at my blog. We realize, however, from past exchanges, that you are definitely not a ‘Tard - you are, rather, sui generis in your exertions where I am concerned. So, how might we characterize your bizarre remarks, above, so as to do them justice in reproducing them over at “Superhuman”? NN 78
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 11:43 AM | # “Brer NN, our Silver, an experimental runaway housewog” (—Grimoire) Grimoire, I can’t tell for sure what your wording there meant, but judging from that instance and a few previous comments of yours I get the impression you may think NN and Silver are the same guy. Admittedly not of earthshaking importance, but they aren’t. Not even close. Also, there was someone else you thought Silver was who he wasn’t, I forget who. Silver is neither of them. He’s a different (and very annoying) guy. 79
Posted by NeoNietzsche on July 07, 2010, 01:42 PM | # Grimoire, I can’t tell for sure what your wording there meant,... I, likewise, am unsure of what is being imputed to me of agreement/disagreement with Silver and Norbert. For the record, then, I agree with Norbert H. regarding that portion of his remarks @ AD, as quoted @ SUPERHUMAN. So Silver’s disagreement therewith distinquishes his thoughts on the point from mine - and presumably separates us as persons, for those who are familiar with the personae of NeoNietzsche and Silver. 80
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 02:31 PM | # To any newbies out there: where NeoNietzsche writes “@ AD” in his comment above, he’s referring to Silver’s blog, “Accidental Dissent,” here, http://accidentaldissent.wordpress.com/ (a blog title inspired, I imagine, by the title of Hunter Wallace’s outstanding blog, “Occidental Dissent,” here: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ ). 81
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 02:40 PM | # Check this out over at Hunter Wallace’s for example: “the Racist Cat”: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/07/07/the-delightful-subversiveness-of-youtube-racist-cat/ . See what I mean? Great stuff. I suspect this is the same cat, by the way, who introduces the MR videos posted by Soren. Or the two felines probably at least know one another and are good friends. That’s a very safe bet. 82
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 02:50 PM | # Don’t laugh incidentally, a dog was confiscated by police in Jewrmany for giving the Nazi salute (it stuck out its front leg in a stiff-arm way or something) and its owner fined or somehow punished, I forget exactly what was done to the owner but you can google it. (Jewrmany is the New & Improved vibrant, enriched Germany, the place’s new spelling to go along with its new vibrant, enriched racial character.) 83
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 03:01 PM | # I just googled it — it was in 2007 — the owner was sentenced to five months in jail because he had had previous run-ins with the Talmud in Germany the law in Germany regarding Nazi-related stuff (I think his pet goldfish either gave someone the Nazi salute or had a swastika shaved into the hair in back of his head?) and the dog was confiscated and is being taught not to give the Nazi salute any more. At least the dog itself didn’t get a heavy fine or jail time (goldfish either) so things aren’t as insane as they could be over there (but damn close). 84
Posted by Thorn on July 07, 2010, 03:17 PM | # It seems there’s a growing NS movement amongst our feline friends. It’s called Kitlerism. Very ominous trend indeed! [IMG]http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/11/633513747584152721-Kitlers.jpg[/IMG] more photos: 85
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 03:47 PM | # These Hitler lookalike cats wouldn’t last five minutes in Jewrmany — there’d be a police swoop, they’d all be confiscated and euthanized, and the owners fined and jailed. My guess is the same would happen in France, Sweden, and very probably Malta too, judging by the way that lunatic police state muzzled Norman Lowell. 86
Posted by Thorn on July 07, 2010, 04:30 PM | #
Of course the law enforcement authorities would make exceptions if the owners weren’t white. —————— WTF! Spain just beat Germany?!? I predicted Germany to win then go on to handily beat the Dutch Now I’m rooting for the Dutch to win the World Cup. 87
Posted by Gorboduc on July 07, 2010, 04:30 PM | # Fred and Thorn: Hilaire Belloc (yawn, not him again) wrote (c.1934) of a blue-eyed kitten he had, called Hitler. Lurker - re “twatois”, on recollection I think VIZ is where I saw it too! Don’t know about the girls: certain pronunciations seem de rigueur with ‘em, regardless of race or class, my (un)favourite one being the heavily-glottal-stopped “com - poo-‘ah”. I don’t hear it as much as I’d like, because most people round here don’t speak any “English” at all. Are VIZ still running “The Fat Slags” and do you remember if they ever went after black men? 88
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 07, 2010, 04:54 PM | #
Not at all!! I love Hillaire Belloc, anti-Semitism notwithstanding (mine nor his) .
I’m trying to figure out what word you mean there. What word is that? 89
Posted by Gorboduc on July 07, 2010, 06:13 PM | # Fred: it’s “computer”! The T sound is disappearing, and with some white speakers it seems to me that vowel sounds are in the process of all being reduced to “er” - “Er wer’ gern erlerng erlern ermer [or: chermer] mers ers…” probably means “I was going along alone to my mate’s house…” 90
Posted by Lurker on July 07, 2010, 10:34 PM | # VIZ is still inj operation and yes, I still buy it. What can I say, it makes me laugh. Im not aware of the Fat Slags particularly chasing black men, though that may have featured from time to time its not the norm. Seems to me that over time Viz has become an implicitly white institution. This is probably quite unintentional on the part of the publishers, writers & artists. Sometimes there will be routine nods to liberal/left memes. eg the BNP are nazis etc. There have never been any notable non-white characters in the comic and I suspect it has a pretty much all-white readership and there have never been any non-white contributors that Im aware of. 91
Posted by Grimoire on July 08, 2010, 12:49 AM | # Brer NN: However there is a point I would like to run by you. I shall spare those here an off-topic Q&A;and post later at SH. Herr Scrooby: 92
Posted by Thunder on July 08, 2010, 01:50 AM | # Fred Scrooby, About the dog that gives the Roman (Nazi) salute. There is a dog at the Outback Spectacular in Australia that they sit on a barrel and you can have your photo taken with him. Whenever the photographer says smile the dog does the Roman salute and smiles. I swear he has this huge smile on his face, it is so cool. I should have spent the few bucks for the photo but the lineup was too long. 93
Posted by PF on July 08, 2010, 02:03 AM | # It must be the fresh summer air that makes comments sections bloom in furious color like this one has. We have mam cults, Viz toilet humor, Kitler, Silver the runaway Housewog, NeoNietzsche’s impersonating everyone under the sun, glottal stops, hillaire belloc, animals going to prison for hate-speech, and real-time world cup news! Gorbo wrote:
I wrote about this taste and ranking-of-value which is caused by beliefs about what is good in our culture. http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romilly_jenkins_truth_and_ethnic_truth/
Eventually I will be able to articulate the critique of non-essentialist traditionalism in something other than oh-so-convenient sarcasm. Then maybe we’ll put baby daughter’s scribblings above the bodyjelly, and the axe and rings and slabs can go wherever. The racial struggle extended to interior decorating… you heard it here first. 94
Posted by Grimoire on July 08, 2010, 02:52 AM | # PF: Habent sua fata libelli et balli : [Even] Books and balls have their own destiny. 95
Posted by Gorboduc on July 08, 2010, 05:14 AM | # PF: OK, yes, some of us are being silly. 96
Posted by sirrealpolitik on July 08, 2010, 05:39 AM | # the topic on this thread has danced around a bit, so i might as well put this here. maybe i am late to this news, but if not: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/07/first-humans-britain-stone-tools how, again, can maori’s claim indigenous peoples’ rights and not brits? been away awhile, relocating back out of the kwa and into (far) e europe. regards. 97
Posted by NeoNietzsche on July 08, 2010, 08:56 AM | # Brer G., Your post of the 7th, 2:51 AM, is now clarified by the insertion of a [verb] and by minor alterations to the structure of your message - and is thus revised in the sense of the personal references, which I (and perhaps Scrooby likewise) mistook for derision of and confusion with myself: ————————————— Brer NN, [O]ur Silver, [is] an experimental runaway housewog, who is able, through supernatural insight, to see what the future holds, [and] has grown gloomier with forecasts of the future. This is because I have applied the ‘Grimoire Process’ wherein everything he says is the exact opposite of what he means…......%^$#%^! In effect, he does not disagree with Norbert H.‘s prognostication - but concurs wholeheartedly - BUT IS UNABLE TO SAY SO. To wit; if the case should be disagreement, you would be alerted to this fact by his agitated avowal of endorsement. Keep this in mind in dealing with him . Der psychologisch juristische Begriff ist ein nachhaltig gestörtes Kognition. (the legal term is persistent disruption of cognition). Anyway Hexenmeister, it is good to hear of you again. Thank you for your welcome and for your further remarks clarifying your meaning. NN 98
Posted by james on September 10, 2010, 12:47 AM | # This is a poem about truth, from a BNP If after all this ,you are guilty of the thought, that a sphere is not a cube , on a BBC , Nick Griffin show trial, then you are more than a jew, or a black man, in the frount row. Next entry: British Democracy and the Jews. Again. Previous entry: Afghanistan – Enough Is Enough |
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Posted by Angry Beard on July 02, 2010, 03:39 AM | #
Guessedworker,
Your fox has been shot.You’ve got your wish.Nick Griffin has announced on the BNP website that he’s standing down as leader.
Now it’s all down to you - you’ve got your big chance.
So Griffin’s London accent, his heavy-set ‘blokeish demeanou’, charity pig-roasts, and general non-Uism, won’t be there to annoy you any more.