The Swiss know the answer; but Ms. Khan still doesn’t get it

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on September 04, 2006, 04:09 PM | #

Switzerland, by contrast, is a land of gun ownership, a standing militia, duty, ethnic homogenuity, local control, national independence, low crime and successful artisans: about as far as you can get from the liberal dream of a panmixia of utterly dissimilar people, living in cramped apartment blocks and working at low-end service sector jobs in equally cramped offices, with random couplings and the idiot culture as their sole diversions, whilst all the decisions are made for them in London or Brussels.

In short, Switzerland is both Swiss and sane.

Posted by On Holliday on September 04, 2006, 04:46 PM | #

Switzerland is, or was, racially homogenous, but not ethnically - with German, French, and Italian-speaking groups.

I knew a “French” Swiss woman living in the USA, who told me the groups do not mix well - for example, at her university were a number of “German” Swiss women, of her own age and, despite being “countrymen” living abroad in close proximity, there was no interest in social mixing whatsoever.

And I believe there was some terrorism there in Switzerland a while back, I believe by the French-speakers.

The canton system works well there, Switzerland is a confederation.  Such may work better than the EU monstrousity, on a continental scale.

Posted by Guessedworker on September 04, 2006, 05:48 PM | #

Good post, Alex.  The Swiss have a system that would, if replicated in the UK and extended to matters of ethnicity, deliver a public verdict of an illiberal nature on Ms Khan and all her kinfolk.  But I feel it is a system that preserves a Conservative status quo rather than restores it.  Restoration may require strong stomachs in transitus, and of a kind even a tabloid-voting populace cannot be relied upon to sustain over the requisite timescale.

We are nowhere near being able to speculate on the nature of government that will be called for.  But the outcome, I sincerely, hope, will be fitting to a temperate people and as much like government of the distant but truly Conservative past as possible.

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 05, 2006, 04:42 AM | #

GW, but you know it won’t be extended to matters of ethnicity. Last time the Beeb did something of this sort (remember Stephen Pollard and his broken promise to put forward in Parliament a law selected by the voting public?), even self-defence turned out to be off-limits.

Also, why do you think such a system will not restore the Conservative status quo? Do you believe that most people are too liberal (or think they’re too liberal) to vote fro restoration? Or are you afraid that the Fourth Estate will still exercise its controlling hand even if the other Estates are told to keep out?

Posted by A. Windaus on September 06, 2006, 03:43 AM | #

Switzerland has nearly as many non-Europeans as Britain does as a percentage of the total population. ~6% verses 7.90% respectively. Switzerland refers to them as “other” so it’s hard to tell exact numbers.

Switzerland also has mandatory service in the armed forces, I’m sure this creates a way of thinking that all people would share because of their common background.

Other than those points it was a good post, keep it up! =]

Posted by Guessedworker on September 06, 2006, 04:41 AM | #

Alex,

Certainly, the Pollard business demonstrated that people who become politicians do so for the advancement of their own personal agendas and actually abhor the wishes of the public that votes for them.  Certainly, the Swiss system would clip their wings.  But you ask why I think it is inadequate to the task of restoring health to our country - essentially undoing the damage of the last sixty years.  Of course I do want the English to speak.  But I am distrustful of the Establishment voices who will play on the economic fruits of liberalism, and appeal to “fairness”, “decency” et al.  The popular mind is suggestible.

It is less popular opinion, which can flux, that I want to promote than English EGI, which is permanent and a truer guide to the political objectives which lay ahead.

Posted by Friedrich Braun on September 06, 2006, 04:59 AM | #

It should amuse readers to no end that GW the Germany-basher is on hands and knees praying for statesmen we already produced in abundance 80 years ago. Thanks a lot for murdering Europe, you dizzy two-faced limes!

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 06, 2006, 05:25 AM | #

“It should amuse readers to no end that GW the Germany-basher is on hands and knees praying for statesmen we already produced in abundance 80 years ago. Thanks a lot for murdering Europe, you dizzy two-faced limes! - Freddy the Prophet”

LOLOLOL

You just can’t get off this notion of yours that MR is a home for teutonophobes of some sort, can you? Just please tell us again how the man who declared a war of conquest on Poland and the other Slavic lands, and invaded France when the opportunity presented itself is a hero for pan-Euro unity.

Now, I have to go. Some German guests are coming round, and I need to go watch Basil Fawlty to get some tips about greeting them.

Posted by On Holliday on September 06, 2006, 05:59 AM | #

Friedrich - were you reinstated here, ot did you find a way around the ban?  Just curious.

Alex,
“Now, I have to go. Some German guests are coming round, and I need to go watch Basil Fawlty to get some tips about greeting them.”

Is what?  Not teutonophobia?

“that I want to promote than English EGI”

GW, what sorts of people do you want to be living in England?

Posted by Guessedworker on September 06, 2006, 07:44 AM | #

Friedrich is safe here while Phil’s in China.

I am not an OMOV democrat - you should know that, Friedrich.  I would prefer a property qualification and, ideally also, a vote for marriage or parenthood or both, and for business or share ownership.  Ultimately, I am interested in a suffrage of the moral and the responsible.

But to get there from here in one bound would be difficult, no?  Just letting the people speak won’t do it, or couldn’t be relied upon to do it after so many decades of their own interests being obscured and abnegated.  One must allow for a certain trauma injury, I think ... a certain confusion.

Notwithstanding your peerless sense of humour (and I expected someone to pop up with an Adolf parallel, though I didn’t expect it to be you - pleased that it is, though) I don’t actually want to bounce around 1930’s Vienna in a flashy black uniform.  I DO believe that if in two or three decades nationalist sentiment gets a shot at government and national revival it must presume it to be the only one we will have.  It must not fail, either through being too tentative to withstand the counter-thrust or too harsh to carry the people with it.  Only Germany has experience in this matter.  It didn’t work.  We, if the chance arises, have to find a way that suits our mein and will produce the ethnographic outcome we desire.

JW,

Good question.  The answer cannot be wholly, narrowly genetic.  Of course, the English are very largely a non-Slavic northern-European people, and that is the broad core which must be preserved.  The rest is a matter of numbers and genetic distance.  Broadly, where phenotypic similarities no longer hold there should be very few if any residing here.  That does not hold for, say, Slavs.  The issue there becomes one of numbers and of non-prosecution of Slav EGI.  Thus Alex is Russian but, by my elastic understanding and for practical purposes, a damned good Englishman - and his children certainly will be.  A couple of million Alex’s, however ...

Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2006, 07:46 AM | #

Alex’s description of the liberal dream is excellent and deserves repeating:

the liberal dream of a panmixia of utterly dissimilar people, living in cramped apartment blocks and working at low-end service sector jobs in equally cramped offices, with random couplings and the idiot culture as their sole diversions, whilst all the decisions are made for them in London or Brussels.

Liberals like Red Ken Livingston, Sir Ian Blair, and David Blunkett will fight tooth and nail to impose this, their deeply-cherished dream, on societies, whole nations, by main governmental force—by the totalitarian mailed fist.  They’re doing it right now as we speak, to the best of their ability.  For them the ends justify the means, as we all know, and the way of life described by Alex in this excerpt is, in their twisted minds, a paradise so ardently to be wished, it justifies any means whatsoever to usher it in.  These people read that description by Alex which fills the rest of us with absolute revulsion and horror, and swoon in the ecstatic reverie of one who has glimpsed purest societal perfection, the very image of heaven-on-earth.

Posted by On Holliday on September 06, 2006, 08:17 AM | #

GW, I congratulate you on your blogging sensitivity.

You foresaw the direction in which my questioning was to go, and answered it.

Fair enough.

Posted by delphi on September 06, 2006, 11:08 AM | #

I DO believe that if in two or three decades nationalist sentiment gets a shot at government and national revival it must presume it to be the only one we will have.

Britain does not have two decades given the current trajectories…  the BNP is not growing fast enough…

Posted by Guessedworker on September 06, 2006, 11:44 AM | #

delphi,

A little oracular wisdom should tell you that the flood precipitated in 1997 by the semitic Immigration Minister, Barbara Roche, will not continue just as it has for the past near-nine years.  We have already seen the Establishment rushing to disown multiculturalism in the wake of 7/7.  Rising nationalist sentiment will occasion yet more pretence of concern, more pseudo-measures.  They will buy time, so they think, for the MultiCult to establish so it can never be torn out.  Our purpose is to promulgate the absolutist response that it can always be torn out.  It will never be too late for us to reclaim our homeland from invaders, aggressors and a traitor class.  The only changeable factor is method.

Posted by Daedalus on September 06, 2006, 11:52 AM | #

The most important factor in the rollback of multiculturalism and anti-racism in the next twenty years will be the retirement of the boomers.

Posted by rustymason on September 06, 2006, 12:21 PM | #

What to do in the meantime?  In 20 years Whites will be a political and legal minority in the U.S. and real change will be more difficult.  Sam Francis said that we must raise racial awareness, and Taylor, Brimelow, Duke, et. al., are working away at that.  Great.  But is raising awareness the only thing to be done for the next 20 years?  What does the average guy do to build a better future for his children?  At his level, talking about the situation without a real goal and real leadership serves merely to make him anxious and depressed, a bad attitude which he passes onto his children. 

And what will the energetic White lads do without leadership?  Will the establishment trap them into more time-wasting and mind-numbing activities, or will we provide them with a way to restore honor, courage, and purpose to their lives?

Posted by rustymason on September 06, 2006, 12:29 PM | #

I and some of my Constitutionally-minded buddies like the Swiss’ approach to government.  But I have reminded them that we must not think about Switzerland as the neo-cons think about America, as a propositional nation.  Switzerland, like America, is a real country with a real history and a distinct people.  We can borrow their ideas, but we could never be just like them.

Posted by Amalek on September 06, 2006, 12:56 PM | #

Very wise, rusty. Wholesale imports of constitutional innovations are like incompatible bone marrow: the grafts don’t take. There is not a long-standing tradition of submitting political questions to universal-suffrage referenda in any northern European polity; it is a Mediterranean device which has too often been abused by dictators and spinmeisters, rigging the question to extract a pseudo-democratic imprimatur for a very vague course of action.

No wonder the EU cabal is so fond of it; and every time the wrong answer is received, another referendum is called a few years later, and the dose repeated until the blockish serfs get it right.

We British don’t need more ‘participation’ in government, more ‘responsive’ government, more ‘involvement’ in government or any other Tony Benn-type wonkery. We need less bloody government, lower taxes and more freedom for an Englishman to think, speak, write and act as he pleases in his native land.

Posted by Amalek on September 06, 2006, 01:02 PM | #

Last time the Beeb did something of this sort (remember Stephen Pollard and his broken promise to put forward in Parliament a law selected by the voting public?), even self-defence turned out to be off-limits.

It was Stephen Pound, Ealing MP and Mr Punch-lookalike, who welched on his agreement to table a bill supported by ‘Today Programme’ listeners.

Stephen Pollard, like his namesake the US traitor, is a fanatical Zionist: a hack who wrote David Blunkett’s biography.

Posted by Bo Sears on September 06, 2006, 01:54 PM | #

“Thanks a lot for murdering
Europe, you dizzy two-faced
limes!”

“It was Stephen Pound, Ealing
MP and Mr Punch-lookalike,
who welched on his agreement
to table a bill supported by
‘Today Programme’ listeners.”

=====

Across the ocean from the squabbling Germans and English, we always thought the correct slurs were “limeys” and “welshed,” but it is certainly interesting to see posters validate slurs.

Rusty, you ask the question, what is to be done? The answer is to do something in your neighborhood, community, or city to combat anti-white discrimination, defamation, or other abuse that will hurt our children. Start where you find yourself, start now, and start as you mean to go on.

“If ‘twere well ‘twere done, ‘twere well ‘twere done quickly.”

Posted by Alex Zeka on September 06, 2006, 02:33 PM | #

We British don’t need more ‘participation’ in government, more ‘responsive’ government, more ‘involvement’ in government or any other Tony Benn-type wonkery. We need less bloody government, lower taxes and more freedom for an Englishman to think, speak, write and act as he pleases in his native land.

I’d be careful about saying that, Amalek. Holliday is fixing his sniper sights on anyone who wants lower taxes, favouring which makes you an anarchist and stooge for big business as far as he’s concerned.

Posted by rustymason on September 06, 2006, 02:36 PM | #

“If ‘twere well ‘twere done, ‘twere well ‘twere done quickly.”

Yes, partly, Jeeves, partly.

Myself, I’m doing a lot of little things, mostly related to homeschooling my children (in the old-fashioned, classical way).  My concern is rather for the millions of young Whites, particularly males, who are becoming lobotomized and radicalized.  Who is leading them?  Hollywood, Washington DC, and too many Bill Whites, that’s who.  What kind of future do they see?  It’s a bleak one for those who can see past their noses.  It’s depressing, and they feel like outcasts.  So they dispair and stew. 

Without real leadership, they often become dangers to themselves and others, imitating the most extreme self-debasing behavior of the popular culture.  Many become Nazis simply because they think that that is what WN’s are supposed to do; that is what they are told they are supposed to be by the popular culture.  All of the old institutions have become radically liberalized and/or Judae-o-ized.  Where’s the orgs that will give them guidance on how to prepare themselves and their children?  Where are the successful orgs who offer real truth, guidance, and support?

Posted by On Holliday on September 06, 2006, 02:59 PM | #

“Holliday is fixing his sniper sights on anyone who wants lower taxes…”

You are a liar. 

The most I have said on that topic is that you are unhealthily obsessed with economic issues (e.g., tax rates), not that I am, per se, for or against lower taxes.

Of course, one may understand why you focus so much on proximate issues.

Be that as it may, please do not twist my words.

Thank you.

Posted by Rnl on September 06, 2006, 03:57 PM | #

rustymason wrote:

Where’s the orgs that will give them guidance on how to prepare themselves and their children? Where are the successful orgs who offer real truth, guidance, and support?

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/

There’s no shortage of good organizations. The problem is that they don’t have enough members and enough money.

Posted by rustymason on September 06, 2006, 04:48 PM | #

Rnl, with all due respect, there is a darth of good orgs.  None of the ones I know of (NV, CofCC, JBers, etc.) have a snowball’s chance of going mainstream.  The leadership is just not that well-organized or sophisticated.  They are good folk, no doubt, but they are just not effective or broad-reaching enough. 

What do the existing WN orgs do, except “get the word out”?  That’s a fine mission but it’s way too thin.  Where’s the real schools, the training grounds and business support networks for career guidance and support?  Where are the boyscout/masonic/rotary type orgs that used to be a bridge between youts and adults?  They were at one time ubiquitous and in some communities practically omnipotent. 

I hate the present situation, especially seeing the tsunami of racial hatred coming our way.  I hate that most white-collar WN’s despise their more rambunctious or less sophisticated brethren.  The WN intellectuals describe the VNNers and Skins as nothing more than a bunch of (their term, not mine) hooligans, kooks, and screwups.  Neither side seems willing to compromise and meet halfway.

I applaud the hard-working volk at NV and CofCC, but what they have is just not enough.  What is their vision, their plan, and who’s promoting it?  Dr. Duke talks and travels his ass off, but to my knowledge has not a plan at all.  Nick Griffin has a plan, but it’s extremely limited to politics, not very useful for the average Joe or Josephine.