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The Global Bell Curve: Race, IQ, and Inequality Worldwide by Richard Lynn, 2008.Richard Lynn, sometimes along with Tatu Vanhanen, has been publishing books challenging the economists and social scientists to look at average national intelligence as an important factor in how well off a nation is including health, wealth, earnings, democracy, etc. This latest book is an excellent source to give someone who is doubtful about racial hierarchies around the world. Country by country Lynn looks at the races making up a country and explains historically how they became what they are today. Over and over again such themes such as when slavery ended in different parts of the world, Blacks refused to work, and usually East Asians and/or Asian Indians were brought in to do the manual labor, and eventually moved up taking over entrepreneurial sectors of the economy. This pattern was also shown by Amy Chua in “World on Fire,” though that was not the intent of her book. Lynn shows that wherever there is a mixture of races the pecking order follows the average intelligence of each group: Ashkenazim Jews, East Asians, Whites, mestizos of different hybrids, Amerindians, and Blacks—to name just a few. Only aggressive affirmative action in many of these countries can keep the smaller, more intelligent minority from totally dominating the economy. Again, of Lynn’s books, this is probably the easiest read and the most convincing arrangement of arguments to convince the skeptic that intelligence does matter and that it is highly genetic. Posted by Matt Nuenke on Monday, August 4, 2008 at 08:45 PM in IQ and Heredity Comments:2
Posted by Stanley on August 04, 2008, 10:06 PM | # “...wherever there is a mixture of races the pecking order follows the average intelligence of each group: Ashkenazim Jews, East Asians, Whites, mestizos of different hybrids, Amerindians, and Blacks—to name just a few.”
If we believe that “Ashkenazim Jews” and “East Asians” are, on average, smarter than we are, what on earth are we doing even talking about it. We need to be innoculated from speculation that the IQQ is of such importance lest we end up agreeing to subordinate white interests to those of Jews and East Asians. The devious and too-clever Professor Paul Gottlieb wrote on TakiMag not so long ago that possibly an understanding of our IQs could provide the basis for white pride. Right, he’d be on the top end of the curve. And we’d be proud to be in the middle. 3
Posted by Lurker on August 04, 2008, 10:59 PM | # Where’s da beef??? Book isn’t new, and no data or analysis in the post. 4
Posted by the Narrator... on August 05, 2008, 01:40 AM | #
If it’s true, it’s true. The IQ’s of blacks and mestizos (about 84 and 87 respectively) resides in an area that, prior to the PC age, was deemed mildly retarded…....which, needless, to say, is the most likely cause for their social and economic stagnation. The need and right of each group to be able to fight for it’s own existence in it’s own society has nothing to do with IQ points though. 5
Posted by Lurker on August 05, 2008, 07:05 AM | # For the umpteenth time, whoever it is thats posting as Lurker (other than me) can they pick a different name. Thankyou. 6
Posted by Jewish Race Realist on August 05, 2008, 10:29 AM | # Stanley wrote: ‘If we believe that “Ashkenazim Jews” and “East Asians” are, on average, smarter than we are, what on earth are we doing even talking about it. We need to be innoculated from speculation that the IQQ is of such importance lest we end up agreeing to subordinate white interests to those of Jews and East Asians.’ < IQ tests are valid measures of a central and essential aspect of intelligence - cognitive ability - but they do not measure intelligence as a whole. There are certain features of intelligence which appear to be somewhat independent of psychometric g - executive function, certain aspects of personality, memory, mathematical ability, etc. Whether or not Asian Mongolids are more intelligent than European Caucasoids is still an open question; that they have a slightly higher cognitive ability is beyond dispute. But cognitive ability is not synonymous with intelligence. The 106+ average IQ obtained by the Japanese and Hong Kong Chinese may simply be the result of selective migration. The average IQ of East Asians as a whole is only 103. 7
Posted by melba peachtoast on August 05, 2008, 11:05 AM | # And we’d be proud to be in the middle “We” meaning you, one hopes. Can’t you come up with a better attack against this site and its ideas than that? 8
Posted by Stanley on August 05, 2008, 01:37 PM | # Dear Melba, seeing a pitfall in the selection of issues we focus on is not an attack on “this site and its ideas.” I do believe that the focus on IQ (the IQ Question or IQQ for short) is problematic. There are so many other concepts to work on that it is a mystery to me why IQ is so important. For example, many web sites focus on IQ, but none focuses on leadership efforts, education, or training in the Euro-American community which has a terrible problem with self-governance of our groups and committees. For example, learning to make definite claims for a return of our rights of assembly, contract, and speech…how, when and where. For example, sorting out issues as to whether they will advance white interests or just deny black or Jewish issues. We humans generally obsess over the issues about which we are most insecure. Why IQ? 9
Posted by In-Like-Flynn on August 05, 2008, 06:10 PM | # the Narrator… on Tuesday, August 5 wrote: I think it’s worse than that. Those scores only apply to blacks and mestizos in White countries where they get exposure to our school systems and media. When left to COMPLETELY to their own devices (no organized education systems at all) then blacks end up with average IQ’s of less than 70. 10
Posted by cladrastis on August 05, 2008, 08:12 PM | # I sometimes wonder what the average Euro IQ would have been had we avoided the last two suicidal European Civil Wars and if the horrors of Bolshevism (and later, cultural Marxism) hadn’t plagued the West. My genetics professor once had a bumper sticker on his car that read “war destroys chromosomes”. The implication is that war destroys the hereditary possibilities of what might be - it destroys the raw material on which evolution may act. What the bumper sticker fails to imply, however, is that extinction is a part of evolution - some genes on some chromosomes must disappear so that the gene frequency in a population may shift. I have few doubts that the chromosomal extinctions resulting from World Wars I and II were mostly of a deleterious nature in our populations - as those unfit to serve in the military likely stayed home and procreated during the wars. Anyway, the point is that it doesn’t matter what the average IQs of various European populations are (as compared to other populations) at any given moment in history - it is interesting, and it reveals much about why we behave the way we do and why we have accomplished the things we have, but ultimately it is of little consequence. The West is in a demographic slide, and even if the average Euro IQ approaches 100 today, in the future it may be 85…or 65 (think about who is probably still breeding amongst our continental kin). On the other hand, as I wrote above, extinction provides an opportunity for evolution. If in the face of our demise, those of us who understand why IQ is important, who understand the basics of population genetics, and who understand that every Euro child born amongst our group provides another hope for the genesis of a truly superior race of men (in other words, those who are likely already on the upper end of the IQ distribution) defy the trend and procreate like mad, spectacular traits (including unparallelled high average IQ) may evolve amongst us yet. In addition to the above thoughts, I think the IQ bell curve should be intentionally severed near the mean (or at least the lower quartile) amongst our people every few generations, resulting in a right skewed distribution that will approach normality over time. The solution is, of course, a bit more nuanced than that (b/c of the principle of allocation among other things), but it is perhaps something to strive for. And what of the lower end of the IQ spectrum? Well, three possibilities exist. 1) Those people should be permitted one child per couple to reduce the frequency of unintelligent people in the population without removing all their potentially useful genetic diveristy, 2) they should be sterilized by the state for the good of the state - and freed from childrearing to contribute to society in other useful ways (not unlike worker ants in an ant colony) or 3) they should be used as surrogates for the offspring of those at the top. Of course, this would only work if everyone in the society were “on the same page” philosophically and equally committed to such a transcendental project. I could go on about this, but I will conclude by saying that John de Nugent and others who are working in the U.S. on a Solutrean Solution to our demographic and cultural dilemmas are on the right path. It is possible, of course, that we will enter a bottleneck before all this can be organized, but barring that, it is now our turn to be a people who shall dwell alone, and it is our turn to choose what we will bring on our nuclear ark. 11
Posted by Captainchaos on August 05, 2008, 09:01 PM | # The lemmings need negative reasons in order to be convinced to separate themselves from non-Whites; I don’t think that love of one’s own and a desire to preserve one’s own are sufficient reasons for the masses to do so . They need to know that the disparities in intelligence between Whites and the lower races is genetic and therefore intractable: whitey is not the author of nature and therefore bares no responsibility for non-White failure. Also: the genetic propensity for violence of certain non-White groups needs to be stressed. “There will be hell to pay when the savages take over!” This is certainly not the sole method to successfully waking up White people but I believe it to be indispensable. 12
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 05, 2008, 09:20 PM | #
Fogive me, what’s that?
Already entered, thanks to those who forced government-backed race-replacement upon us (take your pick as to who you think that was; I know who I think). The question is, Which of our genetic correlation structures and co-adapted gene complexes will emerge in one piece at the other end? A “bottleneck” means, by definition, some won’t, so a loss of a certain magnitude can’t be avoided where there’s a bottleneck: it’s thermodnamics; no force in the universe can prevent it; it’s a done deal; it’s already begun; we’re in it. But also by definition, the alleles, genetic correlation structures and co-adapted gene complexes that end up getting preserved will include the most valuable, since (by defintion) they’re what successfully resisted group extinction: the less valuable in that sense got sloughted off. We can, by enough of us refusing ever to bend to the will of our genocidal overlords, make it that the genetic capital that emerges at the other end of the bottleneck be as complete a set of that which entered as possible: the people doing this aren’t holding a gun to anyone’s head — no one held a gun to Heidi Klum’s head. On the contrary, the other side are playing the thermodynamics game too: they know that a certain number of Heidi Klums are a mathematical certainty in a given population on which certain pressures and re-education/brainwashing/psy-ops/amygdala re-programming methods are brought to bear. We can’t do anything about the mathematically-certain fraction of our population that inevitably gets turned into slough, meaninglessness, and non-existence; we can only make certain we as individuals possessed of God-given free-will will never under any circumstances whatsoever be among them. 14
Posted by cladrastis on August 06, 2008, 01:44 AM | #
The video here, http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=john de nugent&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv# and the last third of John de Nugent’s interview with Stanley Hess here, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/eNationalist/2008/05/21/John-de-Nugent-Live are specifically what I was referencing. The other youtube videos from the conference at which JDN was speaking are also applicable. My comments above about eugenics take the Solutrean Solution one step further, because in the process of forming a Solutrean folk, we will be participating intentionally in the founder effect - in terms of both heredity and culture - which will finally permit the possibility of eugenic improvements in our people. Establishing a Solutrean identity is extremely important because it neutralizes the ability of our enemies to subvert the dialogue about who is or is not white or European American currently or historically (as that is not what we are talking about), and it unifies the various potentially competing Euro-American ethnic interest groups under one banner. Also, it will allow us to sweep aside certain taboos of American culture (specifically the practice of eugenics), just as Mormonism swept aside the taboo of monogamy. Finally, it allows us to identify ourselves based of whatever criteria we choose (initially these will be important, but as time passes, you will simiply be born a Solutrean or not - much like one is born a Parsi, Jew, or Hindu, or not). And ideally, we will have a reputation for our large families, as the Mormons do today. With a new Solutrean identity, we can develop a uniquely Solutrean culture (a blend of the best aspects of Eastern and Western European cultures), and prepare to unify with our Euro brethren in Imperium as ethnic Europid equals. If ever there were a time for such a movement, it is now. Modern “culture” has left an identity vacuum on European derived peoples in the Americas. Our history and cultures have been robbed from those of us educated in the public schools (and more often than not, raised by middle class deracinated parents); young people are looking for something to fill the gap. Why not give them something constructive? Why not give people the identity they are searching for - one without the hoakiness of “white nationalism” - an identity that is tied specifically to this land. People want to be told who they are (the left call this the narrative) - and as ridiculous as it sounds, it is much easier to convince a person of something if you inject him into a story. The Solutrean story began 17,000 years ago, resumed when our ancestors came back and reclaimed this land, and will be fulfilled when we recognize our role in it and reclaim our lost identity. That makes for an interesting beginning… 15
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 06, 2008, 08:58 AM | # OK thanks, and good luck with it. Count me out of the eugenics thing though. It’s not my cup of tea. I like simply having normal Euro societies and letting things take their course from there. (Having normal Euro societies is impossible, of course, without placing some sort of restraint on Jewish societal sabotage, whether by asking the Jews to leave and form their own country — presently they have two of them, the Jewish Autonomous Region of Russia, and Israel the Zionist entity; I advocate giving them a chunk of U.S. territory for a third, half of Florida or half of California for example [Jews like warm weather] — whether by asking the Jews to leave and form their own country or by somehow binding them down so they can’t wreak their manifold destructions on our Euro societies, methodically reducing those societies one by one to heaps of dust then moving on to the next Euro societal victim: hoping to bind Jews down once they’re in your society and thriving is like hoping to bind termites down once they’re in your house beams and thriving. The only solution is to get them out of your house.) 16
Posted by ANNOYED on August 06, 2008, 11:35 AM | # Of course other races are naturally well off than others, but by intelligence? We can’t say that. IQ tests cannot measure intellect, I heard Richard Lynn created an IQ test to measure monkeys and apes. What we NEED is a test that can first pinpoint what intellect is without any flaws and a test derived to measure intelligence across races, languages and species. As IQ tests stand now they are flawed in more than one way and all they do is allow certain people to cherry pick test subjects so they can sell books. Ask Richard how much money he has made selling his “contraversal” book, then ask him what he bought with it. If you think brain washing does not occur in the far right sector you have another thing coming, you are just as brainwashed as the lefties watching MTV Cribs, but neither of you want to admit it. Keep feeding their pockets, go make more donations to Don Black and Jared Taylor. Then watch as they try to make it seem that because they are “leaders” what they’re doing benefits your race. Such as Jared Table and his Asian obsessiveness. These “leaders” and “Mr.s” and “PHDs” appeal continuously to the selfish basic human desire of feeling superior and you are failing as they get richer miserably, we’ll see who really benefits in the end and just how much these types care about saving the rest of us. 17
Posted by Private on August 06, 2008, 02:53 PM | #
Maybe the number of dwarfs increased in the population as a result of WWI. But a number of qualified people who were needed in factories were exempted from military duty, and they were probably smarter than average. On the whole, it is mainly city dwellers who were exempted (Jews too!) while country people were sacrificed. Smarter men sometimes became officers and were less likely to get killed. Courageous and reckless men got killed more often. As a result, Europeans are probably less courageous today than in 1908. 18
Posted by snax on August 06, 2008, 03:07 PM | # For all that IQ matters in our individual lives, our collectives are better served by developing other traits. That’s the problem with nationalists focusing too much on eugenics when our basic survival is still in question, cart-before horse… These nationalists have it right: “many sons and lots of guns!” and “long live Pakistan!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xf62PKC5M They’re none too bright, but they’re all set to outlive the Russian, Americans and British who tried and failed to conquer them. 19
Posted by Robert Reis on August 07, 2008, 08:43 AM | # Professor Tony Martin speaks on the Jewish role in the Slave Trade
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Posted by Fr. John on August 07, 2008, 09:16 AM | # “The need and right of each group to be able to fight for it’s own existence in it’s own society has nothing to do with IQ points though. Have you folks read Christopher Jon Bjerkes “Saint Einstein”? 21
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 07, 2008, 09:29 PM | # The lemmings need negative reasons in order to be convinced to separate themselves from non-Whites; I don’t think that love of one’s own and a desire to preserve one’s own are sufficient reasons for the masses to do so . They need to know that the disparities in intelligence between Whites and the lower races is genetic and therefore intractable: whitey is not the author of nature and therefore bares no responsibility for non-White failure. I think a better way of thinking about it is that people in general (and Euros in particular) have an easier time justifying their behavior when there are hard facts to support it, and Euros in particular have an easier time countenancing, moving toward, and solidifying their own ethno-nationalism when they have something “scientific” to grab hold of, what with simple sanity being a bit of a fuzzy concept even to hard thinkers, and pathologized in the masses. Euros are ALREADY IQ fetishists, which makes for an easy in. And I’m the guy constantly asking for balance from IQ fetishist race-realists so don’t bother preaching to the choir. 22
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 07, 2008, 09:34 PM | # whitey is not the author of nature and therefore bares no responsibility for non-White failure. And this is why guys like Jupiter (who strikes me as sane at times and unhinged at others - meds maybe?) are wrong in their rejection of the IQQ altogether; I find addressing the IQQ to be a moral imperative. 23
Posted by the Narrator... on August 08, 2008, 06:45 AM | #
I haven’t read it, but thanks for the tip. The only thing that bothers me about adopting the Jewish strategy is that I’d rather be a part of a racial-civilizational whole, than just the elite of a balkanized conglomerate. Our situation is getting more precarious by the minute, yet our darkest hour has yet to chime. That’s why we have to think long term. Our current predicament will not see resolution in our lifetimes, nor our sons, or grandsons lifetimes. Eventually, we’ll emerge anew, reinvigorated and with greater destinies yet to come. Long term, I am optimistic. 24
Posted by Dave Johns on August 08, 2008, 09:12 AM | # “We humans generally obsess over the issues about which we are most insecure. Why IQ?” —Stanley Why do we “obsess” over IQ? Because by exposing the differences in mean IQ between the races, we can explain why different ethnic groups, or races, produce different levels of civilizations. Eg. - IQ provides the most important variable as to explain why Western Europe and the U.S. developed into modern technological societies, guided by the rule of law ... while Sub-Saharan Africa remained in the stone-age, ruled by the law of the jungle. It also provides the best counter argument against the insulated-argument, that being, the nature vs nurture dichotomy which the Left constantly throws in our face. They assert: Heritability has nothing to do with variations in mean IQ between races. They insist that everyone accept their specious notion that enviornment is the main factor that determines IQ level. We all know how the Left loathes the truth—hence the persecution of those whom dare reveal the inconvenient truth that IQ is heritable ... and how the IQ of an individual strongly correlates with how successful, or unsuccessful, s/he will be in life. Or how mean IQ of a nation affects their overall culture and economic standard of living. The following link provides an interesting discussion. It illustrates how the racial egalitarians get hysterical when heritability of IQ and race are mentioned in the same sentence: 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2008, 09:20 AM | # Part of the other side’s motivation in pushing race-mixing is to eliminate the inconvenient fact of inborn race differences in IQ and other embarrassments. No more distinct races, no more embarrassments. (In their heart of hearts they know it’s true, in other words.) 26
Posted by Dave Johns on August 08, 2008, 10:22 AM | # “Part of the other side’s motivation in pushing race-mixing is to eliminate the inconvenient fact of inborn race differences in IQ and other embarrassments.”—Fred Scrooby Exactly! Too, if the____, along with their liberal-Gentile-accomplices, can deceive enough people of European decent into believing “race is only a social construct” or that enviornment is the main factor in determining IQ, and indoctrination of the Lewontin fallacy, etc. ... this serves as their strategy to break down the White-races’ natural defences and motivation which function as the bulwark to protect our own EGI. But once the motivation for the struggle for the survival of our race is neutralized or sufficiently weakened (as it currently, in large part, seems to be), it makes it all the more easy for the race-replacement advocates to perpetrate their vile, cunning, genocidal agenda against us. 27
Posted by againme on August 08, 2008, 02:39 PM | # These tests are almost never conducted, instead they’re wholly based on a constructed formula and estimates. Anyone who thinks Richard Lynn or his associates flew around the world administering IQ tests, especially to subjects painstakingly sorted to be as similar to each control group as possible must be off their rocker. The book doesn’t flop because it scares the PC, it flops because it’s inaccurate in it’s entirety. 28
Posted by DJ on August 08, 2008, 06:51 PM | # “These tests are almost never conducted, instead they’re wholly based on a constructed formula and estimates.” Just like political polling. Which, by the way, are almost always accurate. 29
Posted by Guessedworker on August 08, 2008, 07:01 PM | # againme: Anyone who thinks Richard Lynn or his associates flew around the world administering IQ tests ... But people do. Here’s Rushton:-
So the question is: did there exist a suitable framework of good testing for Lynn and Vanhanen to make their extrapolations? The answer appears to be that there were some suspect areas, but the great preponderance of the data is wholly sound. Would you still disagree? 30
Posted by snax on August 08, 2008, 07:25 PM | # Also GW, the preponderance of IQ data is in accord with the observed abilities of peoples to create and develop advanced cultures and technologies. IQ’s proponents do not need to justify their claims that IQ tracks something important, it’s for IQ’s detractors to explain how it so accurately reflects real-world effects or to dismiss the advantages of reasoning. The onus is on race+IQ’s deniers to explain how blacks are so woefully incapable if they are so intelligent. 31
Posted by DW on August 08, 2008, 09:06 PM | # The Struggle Over Egalitarianism Continues [Rothbard’s 1991 introduction to “Freedom, Inequality, Primitivism, and the Division of Labor,” which was written in 1970.] http://www.mises.org/story/3007 “Oppression” is of course broadly defined so as to indict the very existence of possible superiority — and therefore an occasion for envy — in any realm. The dominant literary theory of deconstructionism fiercely argues that there can be no standards to judge one literary “text” superior to another. At a recent conference, when one political science professor referred correctly to Czeslaw Milosz’s book The Captive Mind as a “classic,” another female professor declared that the very word classic “makes me feel oppressed.”[iv] The clear implication is that any reference to someone else’s superior product may engender resentment and envy in the rank and file, and that catering to these “feelings of oppression” must be the central focus of scholarship and criticism. The whole point of academia and other research institutions has always been an untrammelled search for truth. This ideal has now been challenged and superseded by catering to the “sensitive” feelings of the politically correct. This emphasis on subjective feelings rather than truth is evident in the current furor over the teaching of the distinguished Berkeley anthropologist, Vincent Sarich. Sarich’s examination of genetic influences on racial differences in achievement was denounced by a fellow faculty member as “attempting to destroy the self-esteem of black students in the class.”
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Posted by cladrastis on August 08, 2008, 09:08 PM | #
Hmm…that explains a lot. To play devil’s advocate for a moment, what precludes epigenetic effects from the IQ nature-nurture debate? After all, DNA methylation up and down regulates the expression of genes and is passed from parent to offspring, just as is half the genome. In addition, changes in parental nutrition and behavior can alter this methylation in gametic cells, potentially permitting the expression of a greater number of genes for high intelligence. Any thoughts? 33
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2008, 09:18 PM | #
Yes, since you ask, I have a thought: Not even molecular neo-Lamarkianism can make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, Cladrastis, so forget it. 34
Posted by cladrastis on August 08, 2008, 09:49 PM | # Any thoughts? should have read: Any pertinent, direct, and logical counterarguments to the aforementioned criticism of hereditary determinism? 35
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 08, 2008, 10:37 PM | #
How about “Dream on, Cladrastis.” Will that do? Is that “pertinent,” “direct,” and “logical” enough? 36
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 17, 2008, 09:43 PM | # Question: What do you do when confronted by a bone-headed race-replacement advocate — 99.999999999999% of Jews, for example, will be in this category — who claims intelligence is zero percent inborn? Answer: Bone up on stuff like the following beforehand: http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2008/09/17/the-differences-are-real/ 37
Posted by Polly on February 12, 2009, 06:11 PM | # As someone who believes that your environment grows you, not the other way round, I have a question for one of you Bell-curver’s here to answer: Assuming that innate human intelligence could not vary much over short periods of time, ie 100 years or so compared to at least 1000 years, then how can you explain the gargantuan explosion of technology in the last 100 years? 38
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 12, 2009, 06:39 PM | # Answer: “Gargantuan explosion(s) of technology” are not driven by the mean or average IQ. 39
Posted by mark on October 04, 2010, 12:15 AM | # Polly: ”how can you explain the gargantuan explosion of technology in the last 100 years?” communication. no need to spend 5 years reinventing the wheel when you can simply look it up and go from there… 40
Posted by jays77 on October 22, 2010, 08:15 PM | #
So if Jews and Asians are supposedly smarter than white, I cannot understand WHY the vast majority of Technological & Industrial Development and achievement has been in White / European Countries? Could anyone elaborate/explain please? Thanks 41
Posted by Bennyboy on July 05, 2011, 09:48 AM | # It’s interesting that everyone seems to see the preservation of whites/ europeans as the key whilst if the study is anything to go by the preservation of Jews and East Asians is the way forward. Industrial development is usually built on the back of sound natural science and that is why you are finding it difficult to understand why Jews are considered “more intelligent”. Bill gates might be responsible for significant strides IT but the inventer of the computer is probably more intelligent cognitively speaking, unknown and unappreciated. Remember great natural scientists such as von baeyer, hans bethe, james franck and albert einstein where all jews. Early evidence shows there was writting in parts of east asia hundreds of years before europe. Having said all that lets not get carried away with the results of theses tests, there are a lot of environmental factors that cannot be ignored and to attempt to quantify such factors seems stupid to me. How much would you adjust the results by to accomodate the oppression of people both within nations and global imperialism? 42
Posted by CS on July 05, 2011, 11:10 AM | #
They have no problem preserving themselves because they are intelligent enough not to subscribe to BS theories about racial equality.
Most Jews are pushing for mass non-white immigration into white countries and only white countries, race mixing and dysgenics in general. With them in control we can look forward to Idiocracy.
The issue for me isn’t about who is “superior”. It’s about promoting my interests and the interests of people like me. 43
Posted by Bennyboy on July 05, 2011, 02:05 PM | # I am inclined to think that you and many others on here surreptitiously hold the view that you and your kind are superior; you are just being disingenuous. 44
Posted by CS on July 05, 2011, 02:56 PM | #
Okay fine, we’re superior. But regardless we want what is best for ourselves and that means physical and political separation from non-whites i.e. our own countries.
Okay fine. We’re superior to blacks. Happy now? We also consider ourselves superior to white liberal idiots who are responsible for turning ever increasing amounts of our countries into Detroit.
It is not unjustified. Speak for yourself.
Speak for yourself.
Most of the world is geared towards our dispossession and extinction (through race mixing). Here’s a nice little essay for you to read.. Separation: Is There an Alternative? 45
Posted by Bennyboy on July 05, 2011, 04:19 PM | # Well at least I got you to admit what you truly believe. I haven’t got the time to read nonsensical articles which like yourself attempts to perpetuate baseless flawed arguments. The only thing that matters really is common sense. The key question that gets to the cracks of the matter is whether the majority of white people or at least a sizeable enough proportion is likely to mix racially for procreation since that’s the only way “white extinction” would occur. And the answer is a resounding No. We know that because in Europe and North America only a fraction of the white populace procreates with non whites. Statistics show that in general the middle classes in places like the UK have remained largely untouched and white. The majority of white people stick to their own and that core will always remain especially with bigots like you on the increase. So save that extinction bollocks. That just leaves you with the fear of becoming a minority propaganda which is equally baseless because white people in the world today are a minority anyway and that hasn’t posed any danger to your existence or well being. My advice, don’t just read articles use that “superior“white brains of yours to think it through! 46
Posted by CS on July 05, 2011, 04:35 PM | #
No problem. It’s not really a big secret on this website.
Well whatever. I posted it for the benefit of lurkers as well.
Believe it or not, extinction is not our only concern.
While I will not race mix, and my kids will not race mix, but my grandkids might.
We weren’t the minority in our cwn countries and we were 30% of the population in 1900 and now we are 9%.
I’ve already thought it through. Maybe you should as well. 47
Posted by Bennyboy on July 05, 2011, 05:09 PM | # Yeah from 30% of the most privileged to 9% of the most economically and politically powerful so what difference does it make? Let’s pretend for a second that your paranoia has a premise, whose fault would it be anyway? Since slavery and through the 50s & 60s white nations have felt too good to do their own menial jobs and encouraged non whites to migrate. In the case of slavery physically transported scores of non whites for the same reason. I have no evidence but I would bet good money that the first few mixed race children come about as a result of some white man impregnating a non white woman probably even against their will. Non white America was your own creation!! When I encounter people like you it makes me hope all the more that your grandchildren do mix with mine. I cannot wait to have a mixed race world if that will ever happen. Whatever is lost in the process (not that I think anything will be lost) would be more than compensated for by the extinction of people like you. 48
Posted by CS on July 05, 2011, 05:21 PM | #
It makes plenty of difference. Non-whites in my country degrade my quality of my life in many ways.
It’s the fault of white people. White people like YOU assuming you are white which you may or may not be. Unlike other races we don’t blame all our problems on other people.
What makes me laugh is you thinkng you’re going to tell me something I haven’t already heard at least a hundred times.
The fewer white people there are, the more racist they are going to be on average. That’s because all the white liberal dopes will die off and leave mixed race (non-white) kids behind if they even have kids that is. 49
Posted by Bennyboy on July 06, 2011, 06:38 AM | # Well I’m not white, yet another baseless assumption but that’s neither here nor there. And if I was a white liberal how would it be my fault? The instances that I stated for starting race mixing are hardly examples of Liberals, if anything they were extremists like yourself who failed to think through the impact of their actions, could be a lesson in there for you mate. What makes me laugh about you laughing is you have apparently heard the point a hundred times but still fail to come up with a coherent rebuttal. Extremist views of any kind have one thing in common, after a while in becomes incomprehensible and loses all rational (not that it was that rational to start with). I thought your fear of extinction was based on liberalism taking root so much so that grandchildren of even racists like you begin to intermix, or are you now alluding to the fact that a section of white people or any other race for that matter will never mix? (i.e. my point). The only thing that degrades your quality of life is your paranoia, and the fact that you are filling your head with utter and complete rubbish!! 50
Posted by CS on July 06, 2011, 10:45 AM | #
No, I did not assume you were white. Read again.
True enough. I should have qualified that white liberals are not all race-mixers.
I already said white people are ultimately to blame for the situation they’re in. It was our fault for letting blacks come to America as slaves and it was our fault not shipping them all back when they were freed or doing what the Arabs did with their black slaves and simply kill them all. I prefer deportation.
I’m not the extremist. White liberals are the extremists. All I wanted was to keep things the same as they had been for the thousand years or so. What liberals want is flood an already overcrowdeed island with racial aliens and genocide the indigenous population.
We are not interested in becoming minorities in our own countries. In the long term extinction will be the result.
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Pity Heidi Klum’s so stupid, otherwise she could, by reading this book, learn how she condemned her progeny to a lower pecking order than her own, a realization which must absolutely mortify any mother. (But can she read? Maybe she’ll never find out what she did ...)