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THE CONCEPTThis is my concept for the new image of European nationalism: a progressive, up-to-date and stylish movement free from paranoia, pessimism, frustration and negative fixations. Kai
http://www.kolumbus.fi/aquilon/journal/ Posted by Søren Renner on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM in Comments:3
Posted by guest on August 12, 2009, 02:21 PM | # Posted by Felim on August 12, 2009, 05:07 PM | # ‘‘So European nationalism is now going to include notions like soft-core pornography and embraceable of post-modern trash culture?’‘ Why not? This is the truth about these people so it should reflect in there so called nationalism. This is a reflection of there culture, history, a reflection of who they are, where there going what there going to achieve so let them embrace the truth with all there heart and soul LOL! 4
Posted by qewrqw on August 12, 2009, 03:35 PM | # Another embarrassment to the homepage courtesy of ~Sörr?n~. 5
Posted by Euro on August 12, 2009, 03:51 PM | # Felim and qewrqw are two prime examples why national minded political endeavors have been impotent for quite a while now. 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 12, 2009, 04:57 PM | # I’m for whatever works. If it works, go for it! One thing, though — can anyone tell the girl’s white? I don’t see how her race is apparent from this poster, and it should be apparent immediately, both hers and the guy’s of course. As for the guy, he’s white but I would’ve blurred him out less, would’ve made him sharper and very clearly a white guy. But I respect the creator’s judgement in terms of making something artistic. Bottom line: again, if it works, go for it (within reason). 7
Posted by Guessedworker on August 12, 2009, 05:19 PM | # Sex sells. Oldest rule in the ad man’s book. Ninety per cent of the population is not interested in difficult (abstract) ideas. Actually, if the gateway to difficulty really is IQ 124, it could be higher than ninety per cent. Of the rest, people below the old university entry level of IQ 115 will probably be quite content with more style than substance - quite content to elect a Blair or Obama, to uncritically consume media lies and the products of Hollywood, and so on. These folks will always follow. It’s simply a question of who they follow. The methods used to engineer their fealty is not the point. It is whether the engineers act in the followers’ interests or in their own. 9
Posted by jamesUK on August 12, 2009, 06:20 PM | # It is interesting concept better than those who constantly talk about Nazis and Communism even with the like of Obama being a Communist is pretty boring. Does anyone actually think he makes the decisions? Probably doesn’t even know the policy h is enacting put forth by his advisors. The father of PR Sigmond Freud’s cousin Edward Berney used sex to sell products from cigarettes to cars for companies. 10
Posted by Dan Dare on August 12, 2009, 06:49 PM | # Why not ratchet up the homoeroticism with a few well-chosen Third Reich regalia and accessories while we’re at it. 11
Posted by Captainchaos on August 12, 2009, 07:43 PM | #
Yup, that’s how those Krauts took France in six weeks and kicked the British “expeditionary” force off the continent, by being a bunch of limp wristed queers. I found your historicist deconstruction a much more elegant means of triangulating against National Socialism. But hey, why not wear it on your sleeve? You only live once. 12
Posted by Frank on August 12, 2009, 08:22 PM | # You want a national monument or landscape or unique past time or folk moment, etc. for an image of nationalism. This is mere sex, which in itself only encourages broken families and bastard children. It hold potential for winning an election appeal, but it corrupts the people it draws in. Corruption = weakness. A movement embracing this would utterly fail. 13
Posted by Frank on August 12, 2009, 08:42 PM | # This also encourages a self-centered, irresponsible life-style that is not compatible with family life. Family-orientation = demographic gain. Such a life-style is also going to be less productive and more pleasure-oriented, pleasure is not necessarily synonymous with happiness, which is brought about from balance and social ties and meaning in life. Pleasure like this is often merely an escape. 14
Posted by Q on August 12, 2009, 08:48 PM | # I had to double-check the calender to make sure today wasn’t April 1. I have to agree with Dan..those pics have faggotry radiating from every orifice. Thumbs down! 15
Posted by Captainchaos on August 12, 2009, 08:49 PM | # Frank, look a little more closely. Kai Murros is clearly attempting to make the ascetic appear sexually charged and revolutionary - playing to conditions as they exist on the ground. Whether or not that circle can be squared is another matter. As GW notes, most people are lemmings, even though he doesn’t like them called that, despite the fact that they are that. 16
Posted by Armor on August 12, 2009, 09:07 PM | # We could launch a porn competition: the white nationalist movement, against the race mixing media!
I think you could also use something like this (found on Western Voices) :
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Posted by Frank on August 12, 2009, 09:13 PM | # Most people are lemmings, and those who aren’t need to train themselves, otherwise they’re lemmings too. Either one is his own master or one requires another to be master - and that’s exempting a reference to what a master himself serves because that’d invoke the anti-religion response here… And it is just this that most people are lemmings as to why sexual appeals like this are dangerous. I previously noted that “it hold [sic] potential for winning an election appeal”. Within my limited understanding of politics this has the useful potential for a short-term appeal only. For Europeans to resist conquest, they’ll have to throw off the corruption. Weakness = conquest; it’s a truth of life. This is not a “Christian superstition”. You can look back to the ancient Greeks and Romans or to “traditionalists” who’ve studied them. 18
Posted by Euro on August 12, 2009, 09:20 PM | # You can add Frank ,Q,and Armor to my post above.Way to go boys,“family values” and American Gothic is the way to fight the enemy.Why didnt I think of that? 19
Posted by Frank on August 12, 2009, 10:20 PM | # Left wing girls are known as being easy, but do men really attend meetings to sleep with left wing whores? Isn’t the male ideal a cute innocent [adult] woman who hasn’t slept around with 20 different men? I know whores were used in abundance during the French Revolution, but do we really want to exploit our women that way? I prefer the BNP Youth approach (ref. the picture of cute teens on its banner). As for men older than that, they ought to be beyond the hormone craze. Beautiful mothers and their pretty children could be shown. Even if people don’t join, if activists simply have babies and rear their children well; you’ll build for the future. 20
Posted by Robert Reis on August 12, 2009, 11:06 PM | # Very interesting article on health care: 21
Posted by astrid on August 12, 2009, 11:13 PM | # I suggest a beautiful voluptuous young white woman, she can be scantilly clothed, a hunk of a white man, naked from the waist up, behind her, embracing her, kissing her, and a gorgeous happy chubby white baby in her arms. Sex without babies is not what is needed. 22
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 12, 2009, 11:29 PM | # I like the picture Armor posted quite a bit. Astrid’s idea also sounds excellent. Again, the main drawback with Kai’s poster is not so much the soft-porn flavor, although I agree Frank makes good points (our stuff should be family oriented like the BNP’s stuff), it’s that you can’t see the girl’s white. She could be Oriental, she could be a Subcon, she could be a Mexican, she could be a Negro with lye-straightened hair. Also the guy is white but you have to look a moment to assure yourself of that — it’s not instantly obvious the way it is in Armor’s photo. It should be instantly obvious that you’re looking at attractive white-race people: man, woman, and as Astrid says, baby included in the picture. All white as the driven snow. I can almost hear the Jews howl with rage, tear their hair, and gnash their teeth when they see it. 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 12, 2009, 11:41 PM | # I’d also like to see posters of black-white miscegenation, Negro man with caucasian woman, where the woman is identified as Jewish — have a Star of David around her neck. One of the problems with what’s going on today is no one’s attacking the Jews. They’re attacking us with genocidal tactics, strategies, and intent, and no one’s attacking them back, with like tactics and strategies. No one. They’re sitting pretty, ensconced safe and secure behind their impregnable citadel of untouchability constructed by a combination of Jewish media control, the successful post-WW-II campaign painting them as poor innocent defenseless victims, etc. The Jews need to be put on the defensive: their women should be relentlessly portrayed as miscegenators with Negro men, Israel should be relentlessly condemned as a racist apartheid state, Jews in general should be relentlessly labeled exactly as David Duke does, “Jewish supremacists.” Our side badly needs to start putting the Jews and Israel on the defensive. 24
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2009, 12:17 AM | # I’m a slow learner. For a year or two I found Dr. David Duke’s frequent references to “Jewish supremacists” and “Jewish supremacism” mildly annoying, since I saw the Jews as no more supremacist than we were. I thought Dr. Duke was misunderstanding the Jews, and I “corrected his mistake” in one or two of my blog comments, saying the Jews weren’t any more “supremacist” than “WNs” were. Then one day something like six months ago I read for the billionth time some lying Jewish pundit or commentator or blogger engaging in that favorite dirty Jewish tactic of calling our side “white supremacists,” and I said to myself, “Son of a bitch, I’ve had it! How DARE these Jewish zionists and Israel supporters continually call us that! Someone needs to give these Jews a taste of their own medicine. Someone needs to start calling the Jews ‘Jewish supremacists’!” No sooner did I have that thought than it occurred to me that that was exactly what Dr. Duke had been doing. I hadn’t seen it before. I see it now. The Jews aren’t being honest or consistent with us. There’s no reason for us to be honest or consistent with them. They see this as war, so let us take our fairness-and-honesty gloves off when dealing with them. Let’s hit them right back with what they’ve been hitting us with. We’re monumental fools if we don’t. 25
Posted by Of No Consequence on August 13, 2009, 03:14 AM | # Sex does sell, but this is “entartete Kunst” if I’ve ever seen it, absolutely terrible - as Felim said above, we shouldn’t stoop to such trashy levels. For some much better stuff, see - http://www.ilovefiguresculpture.com/masters/german/breker/breker.htm + MAN - http://www.ilovefiguresculpture.com/masters/german/breker/brek21.jpg + WOMAN - http://www.ilovefiguresculpture.com/masters/german/breker/Brek2210.jpg 26
Posted by DS on August 13, 2009, 03:23 AM | # Kai, nice idea that’s already being tried all over the place ... the problem is, even within our own “group” the trash is much more abundant than the usefuil items. You can see the “aggression” to the idea even in the comments above ... The best idea has always been to go “main stream” (ie… if you’re an American, join the Republicans or Democrats) and then crack the glass slowly with comments suitable to our side ... and don’t back down or apologize ... that’s the only “way” forward, unfortuately. At least, until a right-nasty crisis hits. But don’t count on that ... 27
Posted by Darren on August 13, 2009, 03:28 AM | # http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,641787,00.html A German politician has put up campaign posters featuring Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cleavage in a bid to attract votes in the Sept. 27 election. Merkel wasn’t informed and the party leadership doesn’t seem very amused.
Hot? 28
Posted by Frank on August 13, 2009, 04:17 AM | # I like the Western Voices picture, but in the ideal maybe you’d have a man and wife holding hands and clearly very in love with that cosmo male looking on at what he’s missing out on. I also like the idea of an English pub with men throwing darts and singing folk songs and children up to something outside - just English people being English more or less. Or a Celtic sports game with giant Celts and their eccentric kilts and bagpipes. Or gosh just a picture of Stonehenge. Or a valiant warrior who was just fatally wounded while taking on a horde of barbarians to protect his little tribe, and perhaps pity being cast on him and he welcomed into Valhalla (since again there’s such anti-Christian sentiment). Anything like that would bring a tear to my eye. Whether such is good for a movement, I know not. Blogger CWNY wrote a piece a while back on his travel to Britain - how it brought him to his knees. That’s how nationalists ought to view their homelands, where they and their people have lived and coevolved (not from monkeys) over thousands of years - the land shaping the people and the people shaping the land. 29
Posted by the Narrator... on August 13, 2009, 07:48 AM | #
Sex sells, well, sex. Not much else these days. Accept maybe condoms and liquor. That image, and those in the link, are ill timed. For one thing the under 40 crowd hardly associates sex with revolution. That kind of thing may have been “radical” back in the 60’s but for those born after that decade, it is hardly politically “provocative”. And since Western demographics are presently (and will continue to be) sliding towards an over 50 majority it may well be smart to play to a more informed audience and its the accompanying aesthetic. ... 30
Posted by John de Nugent on August 13, 2009, 08:09 AM | # I recall what Ernst Zundel once said: Never before has there been so much sex and so little reproduction. 31
Posted by Metal Gear / Iceman on August 13, 2009, 08:28 AM | # lol I’m too sadistic and angry to enjoy a stylistic movement. 32
Posted by Gladiator on August 13, 2009, 08:36 AM | # Yes sex sells. The role of the media in politics can mix explicitly as long as it is balanced like races don’t mix. Black- w-Black, White-w-white. Asian w Asian, etc ect. 33
Posted by Francesco on August 13, 2009, 08:56 AM | # Well, I’ve not rode all this, anyway this stuff seems really intelligent and interesting. I agree, sex sells and we should use anything that could help to diffuse our ideas. No matter what. George Lincoln Rockwell as well used naked girls to attract people. Design and publicity are absolutely important in our society, so use the weapons against the system! I agree with the statement about leather jacket and so on: also ray ban here in Italy were a sort of symbol for the right wing generation in the ‘70. Of course we can still use and create style. Also the black shirt I think is still actual and so on… Really, this Journal sounds really interesting. If it needs some writers, I am disponible with my bad english. 34
Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 13, 2009, 09:43 AM | # Boy, I can tell we are really lost as a civilization. We really don’t know what is going on. I’m with Felim, his comment was right on worthy of a repeat: “”‘’So European nationalism is now going to include notions like soft-core pornography and embraceable of post-modern trash culture?’’ “ Is that what European Culture is all about? Whatever happened to the Warrior Culture? Mark Levine who wrote a bestselling book Liberty and Tyranny in America quotes another Jew Raymond Aron, (1955) , a Jewish “philosopher” of France, which said: “”[In America] there is no sign of either the traditions or the classes which give European ideas their meaning. Aristocracy, and the aristocratic way of life, were ruthlessly eliminated by the War of Independence .” (pg 17) The American Revolution fueled the French Revolution. What is Aristocracy? It is the Warrior Culture of Europe! The Monarch is the War Lord and Aristocracy are the War Captains. This is what fueled European culture and Civilization (other than Christianity). European culture is Masculine. It is about being a man. Being man, being a warrior is a transcendent way of life. That picture is about lust, it is about things material and base. On the other hand the Warrior is Transcendent, metaphysical. Being a Warrior is about Duty, Honor, and Glory. This is what European Culture is about. You want to see what is inspirational—What should a symbol look like? Take a look at the picture of from this blog: That is the picture of Europe! That is a symbol of Europe! A crusader, a knight on his horse, ready to do battle. That is the epitomy of Europe. 35
Posted by James Bowery on August 13, 2009, 09:44 AM | # What the movement needs is more real sex, but real Eurosex is more akin to the Bowerbird:
than to the bird of paradise:
Yes our women are the most beautiful in the world, but the true measure of our men’s attractiveness to women is their ability to use tools to create “nests”—and what we need in the movement is more women and more nests. That’s why anyone responsible for young Euromen must see to it that by the age of 18, they have, with the training of the men in their community, built and own without debt, a “nest” capable of sheltering and providing for themselves and a mate—even if it is nothing more than a 12x12 building with a sleep loft, biomass burning stove, wash basin, outdoor composting toilet and a large garden as an adjunct to whatever farm work they do to earn food. This is more important than anything else you do with young men. Let this replace “sports” in their sexual attraction to young women. If demonstration of their physical prowess as a defender of territory is a necessary adjunct, let them do it as a hunter bringing home protein to their nest. 36
Posted by the Narrator... on August 13, 2009, 10:01 AM | # Has anyone else looked through all of the images at that site? They can be found at the bottom of the page on the right. Just click on THE COMPLETE NTNL. Yikes! I mean I know Europeans have a different, how shall I put this, understanding, of sex and nudity and the displaying-there-of, but S&M;stuff? Homo Stuff? . I mean, come on, they could print the account numbers of every Swiss Bank Account in the world in a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition and nobody would ever notice… . 37
Posted by marlowe on August 13, 2009, 11:04 AM | # A smooth fag as the symbol of Euro masculinity? 38
Posted by Thomas Ainsworth on August 13, 2009, 11:45 AM | # Anyone know how to get to the shop from “Le Journal”? The links on the website don’t seem to work. 39
Posted by perfect portrayal on August 13, 2009, 11:53 AM | # Posted by Frank on August 13, 2009, 12:42 AM | # ‘‘This also encourages a self-centered, irresponsible life-style that is not compatible with family life. Family-orientation = demographic gain. Such a life-style is also going to be less productive and more pleasure-oriented, pleasure is not necessarily synonymous with happiness, which is brought about from balance and social ties and meaning in life. Pleasure like this is often merely an escape.’‘ You are correct Frank but what you dont accept is the picture accurately portraysand reflectis an accurate image of european mindset as the escapists they are. Stick with it. 40
Posted by Rusty on August 13, 2009, 12:37 PM | # Do you guys seriously think this is a good idea? I am appalled. 41
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2009, 02:01 PM | # On Darren’s comment: on seeing the poster I assumed the one who thought up the cleavage idea and put the poster in circulation was a guy, but a woman was responsible, the gal whose photo is on the right in the poster (Vera Lengsfeld). (Read the article at Darren’s link.) I find the whole thing, including the reported reactions from the public, too hilarious for words (if I understood, men seemed to dislike it, and women on the contrary to approve). 42
Posted by Dasein on August 13, 2009, 02:27 PM | # Fred, check out this ad from the German Green party (led by the ‘Turkish Obama’): http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,641577,00.html 43
Posted by Bo on August 13, 2009, 02:46 PM | # Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2009, 04:17 AM. says in part: “...something like six months ago I read for the billionth time some lying Jewish pundit or commentator or blogger engaging in that favorite dirty Jewish tactic of calling our side ‘white supremacists’...” The very act of claiming the right to name & label us Europeans & European Americans is a fundamental act of supremacy. It’s not just calling us “white supremacists” that illustrates the supremacy claims of the urban-coastal clan, it’s the entire range of labels like WASP (WEJ anyone?), gentile, goyim, and shiksa. It’s every name the vicious Norman Lear generated to call the hate caricature, Archie Bunker, hoping to spread the hatred to every white blue-collar worker. It’s every name for us that springs to their lips in TV panels, films, daily papers, text books, and radio shows. Yes, the act of naming us is based a claim to supremacy, certainly in the act of labeling, and usually insists uniformly that we lack diversity, that we may not use “American” in our label, and that we lack the right to name and label ourselves. 44
Posted by Dúnadan on August 13, 2009, 03:13 PM | # I agree with Francesco. I’m in for this, who else? 45
Posted by Dúnadan on August 13, 2009, 07:00 PM | # Wait, now that I see it, I think this is too much. I mean, wtf? In “The Complete NTNL” there is an homosexual picture of two mans kissing. 46
Posted by James Bowery on August 13, 2009, 08:06 PM | # Bo writes: The very act of claiming the right to name & label us Europeans & European Americans is a fundamental act of supremacy. What is the difference between libel and an act of supremacy then? It seems clear to me that when words like “separatist” or “separationist” are proper but avoided and “supremacist” is used, it is not so much a label as it is a libel used in service of their own supremacist leaning: Justifying one’s own acts of supremacy as battling supremacy. However, using libel to serve one’s supremacist leanings does not make libel an act of supremacy. A separatist might, for example, claim that some supremacists such as these are baby eaters and if they are not, the separatist is not a supremacist—he is merely a libeler. These are non-trivial distinctions. Libelers can still be considered human. Supremacists are mere forces of nature. 47
Posted by s on August 13, 2009, 08:19 PM | # My mom (born 1920s) was right about everything else. I’ll bet she’s right about this too: The SEXIEST stuff leaves something to the imagination. Since our society is soooo course, how about *tasteful* as a truly REVOLUTIONARY idea? Clearly White, handsome man, nude from waist up, as Astrid says, holding, with arm around her waist, and kissing a beautiful White woman who’s wearing some clothing? Like a two-piece bathing suit? or even maillot, like the Miss America’s used to? Or, caveman furs of a halter top and mini skirt / loincloth on the man? And, they are holding hands—with wedding rings CLEARLY visible. 48
Posted by Captainchaos on August 13, 2009, 08:31 PM | # Um, I think there is a barely implicit message the author of The Concept wishes to convey to The Community, “Swish all you like, the cattle cars are not waiting.” Of course, if the faith gene is kept off the chopping block, so too I imagine will be the queer gene - White nationalism is I guess a big tent, your subsidiary EGI will be left intact so long as it doesn’t fuck with the bigger picture EGI. 49
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2009, 08:31 PM | #
Or, a Negro-white pro-miscegenation poster, Negro man/white woman, with wedding rings CLEARLY visible AND Star of David CLEARLY visible around the woman’s neck, the poster caption reading “Ashkenazi women just ADORE dark meat, CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH.” Let’s see how much of their own medicine the Jews can stand before they crack and start exploding in anger. And until they do crack, just keep doing it to them, and doing it to them, and doing it to them, associating Jewish women with Negro-white miscegenation — exactly as they’ve been doing and doing and doing to us. 50
Posted by s on August 13, 2009, 08:37 PM | # Or, a Negro-white pro-miscegenation poster, Negro man/white woman, with wedding rings CLEARLY visible AND Star of David CLEARLY visible around the woman’s neck, the poster caption reading “Ashkenazi women just ADORE dark meat, CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH.” This is good. And if the Jews protest, put on an innocent look: We thought you said tolerance is GOOD? Don’t you like black men? Are you a hater or something? We could really play the innocent by changing “dark meat” to black men. 51
Posted by Norman Lowell on August 14, 2009, 03:51 AM | # Style and a certain flair are important. What I am afraid of is that once certain fundamental “negative fixations” are forgotten - I wish Le Journal success. 52
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 14, 2009, 03:59 AM | #
What is the problem if the Jews are White AND pro-White? You need to get over your negative fixations. There is nothing “fundamental” about them. 53
Posted by Captainchaos on August 14, 2009, 04:42 AM | #
Flamboyance that looks manly, not fruity. The former will optimally garner attention and respect, the latter will optimally inspire the beholder to bitch slap wearer.
It can certainly be no more than a coincidence of astronomical proportions that Murros sees fit to include those that constitute 1-2% - no, not 10%, sorry - of the population (read: queers) as being especially worthy of protection from “negative fixations”. Yup, it seems everyone has their hobby horse - especially those despicable Krauts. Only the English remain aloof from it all, by their Olympian example, hopefully, by Odin, we can learn to be our better selves.
LOL! Brilliant satire. 54
Posted by Dasein on August 14, 2009, 05:01 AM | #
[IMG]http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx249/Aletheia14/M1qdIKmXpplk9sdsWCOXFFs4o1_400.jpg[/IMG] 55
Posted by Frank on August 14, 2009, 07:24 AM | # CC, WLindsayWheeler has a deeper understanding of what it means to be German than you likely ever will. He wrote:
Frankfurt School culture of critique wins again. 56
Posted by whodareswings on August 14, 2009, 07:59 AM | # Why a Jewish woman and a Black man? Why not a Jewish man and a Black man. Wouldn’t that be more “Progressive”? Think Fity Cent (Curtis James Jackson III) and 50,000,000,000 Cent (Timothy Geithner) in a generic backlit Sears photo dept. type engagement picture. Better yet, just start photoshopping yarmulkes onto everyone and everything in sight…animals, vegetables, appliances…whatever. 57
Posted by whodareswings on August 14, 2009, 08:19 AM | # Well, now it looks like Comcast has beat Le Journal of white heat to my homoerotic satire idea it with their new nebbish and negro ads: 58
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 08:24 AM | # Whodares: a Jewish man and a black man wouldn’t point directly to the Negrification of the Jewish race. A Jewish woman and a black man would, exactly as a Euro woman and black man do for the Euro race, which is why Jews derive so much satisfaction from depicting it everywhere you look: they’re getting their perverse bestiality-type sexual jollies and their tribal war/Jewish nationalism jollies at the same time.
I’m afraid that wasn’t intended as satire, CC. Der Hoffmeister actually sees the Jews as pro-white (meaning, I assume, not pro-caucasian but pro-Euro). He’s extremely confused about the Jews. He simply does not know what he’s talking about where they and this question are concerned. CvH knows what he is talking about where Negroes are concerned. He’s got that completely right. Where Jews are concerned he’s abysmally wrong. (By the way, the other day over at the German section of The Phora he put a little Israeli flag for his nationality. Strange.) 59
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 08:38 AM | # “Ogenoct” here is CvH: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53139 . (Maybe giving Israel as “his country” has been his regular habit, I wouldn’t know, this being the first time I ever browsed The Phora.) Whatever his motives, the man is clearly confused. I’ve striven to support CvH but there are limits. First the Joseph Stalin propaganda posters and Stalin worship, then insisting the Germans only got what they deserved at Dresden, East Prussia, and the Rhein Meadows, then super-weird fantasies like taking a chainsaw to Queen Elizabeth’s private parts, and now giving Israel as his country. If he were in his mid-20s I’d cut him some more slack but the man is in his mid-30s and it’s high time he starts figuring things out and drops the adolescent game-playing. 60
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 14, 2009, 10:02 AM | # @ Fred Scrooby: Are you not Jewish yourself? Would you not be a prime example of a pro-White Jew? I still fail to see why my earlier comment on this thread has aroused such rancor. 61
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 10:13 AM | #
Nope, Catholic. That’s an idea that keeps getting propagated by the confused or in some cases or the ill-intentioned. (I didn’t realize it had found its way all the way to Moscow. Let me lay it to rest all around the world once and for all.) 62
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 10:15 AM | # There ARE pro-Euro Jews. Growing up in New York City I was best friends with a few. But they’re not typical of the race. 63
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 10:17 AM | # The Jews running “the Jews” aren’t pro-Euro, they’re anti-Euro. 64
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 10:24 AM | # By the way, seeing the reality of how harmful Jews are for Euros doesn’t necessarily entail viscerally hating the Jews. Just see it, point it out, and ally with those forces trying to stop it. I personally like the Jews though I hate many Jewish individuals and what those individuals are doing. 65
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 10:34 AM | #
Well, best friends with one anyway, for sure. (At that age we weren’t talking about this stuff but in that one case it’s certain.) Thinking back, there may have been one or two more. Since moving away from Jew York City — excuse me, that’s New York City (my finger slipped) — I haven’t had close Jewish friends or intimate political-type conversations with Jews. Lawrence Auster is a pro-Euro Jew. 66
Posted by Frank on August 14, 2009, 11:37 AM | # “seeing the reality of how harmful Jews are for Euros doesn’t necessarily entail viscerally hating the Jews.” Yea, if they’d simply cease attacking us, there wouldn’t be a problem. The solution has to come from them. Part of the problem is they’re so damned full of themselves. And their Talmud tells them to not only put Jews first but to harm others, which is dangerous to everyone else. Somehow they’ve got to change and accept us. The problem is in their house though. 67
Posted by Frank on August 14, 2009, 11:40 AM | # Auster has also rejected the Jewish faith. I’m wary of allying with a tribe whose faith tells them to harm nonbelievers. Similarly, Muslims could be difficult to ally with. 68
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on August 14, 2009, 11:47 AM | # @ Fred Scrooby: Please send me an e-mail: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) I would like to discuss some things with you. 70
Posted by Frank on August 14, 2009, 02:12 PM | # Norman Lowell writes:
I don’t have a full understanding of the aristocratic mind, and I’m not fit for such a role myself; but I get the impression humility before a higher concept, be it a set of morals or some other value, is vital. Also, a good general eats with his troops and doesn’t come across as haughty. He lets them know he cares for them too. You’ve probably read that and much else on it, but I think it’s important to add regardless. “A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others” “Obedience to lawful authority is the foundation of manly character.” “I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.” If ever there were an aristocrat, it was the General! 71
Posted by Frank on August 14, 2009, 02:14 PM | # Further explanation: one holds himself to a high standard and also holds others to such a standard, but one doesn’t look down on them. It’s the high standard that is great, not the man who best lives up to it. The focus is always on that standard or that set of morals or on whatever else the man holds in high regard. The focus is never on himself. 72
Posted by Dasein on August 14, 2009, 03:08 PM | #
“Jewish influence” is a good term. It’s less likely to turn people off than things like “The Jews” (bad), “Jews” (a bit better), or “Jewish Supremacists” (even better, but awkward). It makes it less personal, less ‘hateful’. When you say Jewish influence, it also weakens the typical objection, where they just list a bunch of Jews who are race realists and you end up bean-counting Jews. These race realist Jews might be allies, but they are not influential like their racially destructive co-ethnics and their organizations are. 73
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 03:32 PM | # In that comment I considered my terms carefully before using them, Dasein. Thank you for your advice. 74
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 03:46 PM | # All Jews are race realists, incidentally — all know the score with regard to races (what’s the Ashkenazi-Negro intermarriage rate I wonder? ..... the Ashkenazi-Mestizo rate? ...... You think you’re going to see Alon Ziv marry a Negro?). Some Jews decline to use Negroes as a weapon to bludgeon Eurochristians with, which all the others do with singleminded dedication, alacrity, and gusto. That’s the basic difference but all of them, behind closed doors, know what’s up with races, every bit as much as Benjamin Disraeli did in that oft-posted excerpt from his novel. 75
Posted by Dasein on August 14, 2009, 04:03 PM | # Fred, that was not meant as advice to you in particular, and was not a critique of your comment, just in case it came across that way. Your comment was just what made me think about how we name our opponents when presenting our arguments. 76
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 04:13 PM | # The story with Jews and Negroes is Jews don’t like them but revere their potential as a weapon wherewith to smite the Eurochristians and destroy them, and that reverence sometimes rubs off on their behavior toward them, the way a soldier’s reverence, during wartime, for a valued, trusty rifle, bayonet, machine gun, tank, cannon, or other weapon may do: he may at times appear to be almost worshipping the weapon. For the Jews it’s wartime (wartime against the Eurochristians but the latter don’t know that; they’re too bovine-brained). 77
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 04:21 PM | #
That includes the most brazen Jewish race-deniers, Richard Lewontin, Stephen Jay Gould, Leon Kamin, Carl Zimmer, Jared Diamond, and the like. They play word games in public to fool all the stupid goys like See the Boring Disgrace (C. Loring Brace) and get them gigs at places like National Geographic Channel and stuff. 78
Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 14, 2009, 04:34 PM | # Frank responds with this ““Frankfurt School culture of critique wins again”“” to my observation of European culture. I’m a armchair classicist and my observations are due to my studies of the Doric Spartans and their culture. So, I don’t know where this “Frankfurt School culture of critique” comes in. Theodore Ardono’s work “The Authoritarian Personality”? Western culture is partly based on Authority. That is masculine culture. Jewish culture, like Eastern culture generally, is Feminine. If you read the Greeks, they described the East as effeminate. Effeminacy is sign of a feminine culture. If I remember correctly, the Frankfurt School wanted to bring about a matriarchical bearing in the West to destroy it. Socialism, Communism are basically Feminine, not masculine movements. Woman’s suffrage is one vehicle for the matriarchicalization of the West. Patriarchy is shown by Monarchy and by Aristocracy. That is masculine culture. Authority, Heirarchy, Order. The West is a masculine, warrior culture. The Jews fomented the “”“Enlightenment”“” which I call the Darkening to destroy the peculiar Western culture. That is why I quoted from Mark Levine. Say the word “feudalism” in front of a Jew and see how he spits and foams at the mouth and the convulsions he goes through. They hate all forms of hierarchy which to the European is ORDER. The European mind is based around Order. Order presupposes hierarchy. The Jews convinced the stupid silly goyim to get rid of their kings and aristocracy. Now, the Jew rules. What is going on now is the feminization of our culture by the Jews, by the Frankfurt School. 80
Posted by Armor on August 14, 2009, 05:12 PM | #
Although what really annoys us is the Jewish preponderance. Joseph Lémann, a French Jew who had converted to catholicism, published a book with that title in 1889: La prépondérance juive. I have only read the first two paragraphs of the first page. “Our aim is not to call attention to the Jewish preponderance, it is no longer necessary ; even less to encourage it, as it would be a crime, but we mean to explain it. It is vaguely known that it came about as a result of the French revolution, but the circumstances and eventful story of its genesis are ignored. This book recounts them.” 81
Posted by Guessedworker on August 14, 2009, 05:36 PM | # It is vaguely known that it came about as a result of the French revolution I’d like to know more about the mechanics here. 82
Posted by White Preservationist on August 14, 2009, 05:43 PM | #
Those are some great points WLindsayWheeler. Many people who have studied the Jewish Problem in the last couple of centuries have come to the exact same conclusion as you: that Jewish/Asiatic culture is more feminine while White/European culture is more masculine. In fact, modern American feminism (which is clearly dominated by Jews) is in my opinion just another anti-civilizational ‘Jewish evolutionary strategy’ used to undermine White/White culture. Dr. MacDonald should add a chapter to his important book The Culture of Critique on this topic. Modern feminism is forced down the throats of naive White female college students by ugly Jewish lesbian professors and various Jewish ‘activists’ who are far-leftists that clearly hate White males and White-Western civilization. Let it be known that the real goal of Judeofeminism is to undermine healthy relations between White women and White men by unnecessarily increasing tensions and causing strife between them; by screwing up relations between White males and White females the Judeofeminists hope that White-Western culture will eventually become weakened/prostrate enough so that Jews can slowly take it over and thus turn all Whites in to their slavish underlings. 83
Posted by Don on August 14, 2009, 06:42 PM | # A related phenomenon is the unevenly distributed presence of passive-aggressive and aggressive psychological aspects in various societies. Jews in America rose to their current pre-eminence as the dominant peoples of the urban-coastal class through the application of passive-aggressive techniques & practices. (It may be that this approach to the world appears more often in the female sex in euro-origin societies, thus leaving men ignorant of the great strength of passive-aggressive assaults.) Jewish organizations have been moving to the purely aggressive side with comparative rapidity in the last 10-20 years. We hear much less about their suffering & its privileges, and more about their wonderful IQs, their right to name & label us with impunity, and to smear our peoples using no excuse except the desire to do so & silence us. A quick review of ADL’s record will make this clear. It has moved from whining about being held back by the vicious other to a clear-cut advocacy of cleaning out Christian & European-based institutions & peoples. They claim a privileged supremacy over us instead of a hang-dog sorrowful & tearful wail…except for the execrable demonizers of Germans, Russians, and Arabs today. This might explain the old feminine/masculine label on societies. But Jews are definitely in the masculine camp now. And it will probably be their downfall.
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Posted by Dan Dare on August 14, 2009, 06:58 PM | # GW: Paul Johnson, in his A History of the Jews, provides a good account of the process which led up to the National Assembly voting on 27 September 1791 to decree complete emancipation for Jews within the Republic, even including the very numerous and much-despised Ashkenazis in the French Rhineland. The subsequent contributions of Napoleon to the cause of Jewish emancipation will be well known I believe. Not wishing to get any Third Reich nostalgics who happen to be browsing here riled up, but it might also be worth mentioning in passing the enlightened attitude of one of der Chef’s principal role models, Frederick the Great, in such matters. The General-Privilegium und Reglement der Juden, which enabled thousands of vergleitete Juden to settle in Prussia from 1750, preceded even the French revolution. 85
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 14, 2009, 07:07 PM | #
The Jews must’ve floated HUGE loans for him in return for that. 86
Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 14, 2009, 08:02 PM | # To guessedworker: The Catholic Church has always taught the suppression of the Jews. Jews were not allowed to live outside their ghettoes and not allowed access to certain jobs and to government. Jews were not allowed to move around freely in many areas of Christendom. Furthermore, the Jews were under periodic pograms. This because of the punishment laid down in their law. The Jews sought to escape their punishment—-and so the destruction/breakup of Christendom was brought about. The “Sola Scriptura” which is a Jewish methodology was taught to rebel Christians and/or skepticism was encouraged in seekers to break away from the church. The Enlightenment and Freemasonry were inspired by gnostic/Cabalistic/materialist elements from Europeans and Jews who sought to free themselves from the Church. Central to this whole notion is the re-introduction of the materialist/atomistic works of Democritus, Lucretius and others from Classical Antiquity with the high egalitarian slant. Radical Protestantism fueled by Jewish anti-hierarchical views and extreme egalitarianism unleashed first the American Revolution which fueled the French Revolution. Freemasonry, heavily endowed with Cabbalistic points, headed both Revolutions and with the Enlightenment spawned Liberalism. Freedom. A new political ideology. With the Church broken, and the Kings and aristocracy taken away, the warrior intelligentsia, was removed and the commons took over. Liberalism fueled, as the name it implies, liberal policies that began with the liberation of the Jews. Once Church, Monarchy, and Aristocracy were removed, they gained power. In England, like the paradigm of Ruth in the Bible, Jews heavily intermarried into the aristocracy corrupting their allegiance to their kinsmen. They gravitated to power centers. First to Spain which became the first maritime worldpower. But the Catholic Inquisition along with Aristocratic Blue Blood power broke and unmasked their strategy. England with its radical Flemish and Scottish Protestantism protected the Jews and for help in Cromwell’s Rebellion, were returned to England. There is a Protestant/Jewish nexus. It is all about them materialistically bringing about their idea of their scriptures of world dominance and that was accomplished by both the American/French Revolutions that “destroyed Aristocracy and Aristocratical culture”. Both destroyed the ever European form of Church and State. Nature abhors a vacuum and the Jews stepped in and have become our new “aristocracy”. Liberalism is a gnostic, cabalistic, Atheist movement of Freedom. It is all nihiist. Europeans are a warrior, Masculine races. Our societies mimic military organization. That society mimicing military order became Feudalism. Europe is based on agrarianism and the art of war. That are the two mainstays of instrinsic European culture. Jesus transferred the faith to Europeans because we see transcendentically. We operate in the Metaphysical world. The Faith was transferred to us. The Jews are a very materialistic people, very wordly oriented. Not so the European. The vision of Valhalla, the warrior hall consumes our thought. Duty, Honor, Glory are all transcendent concepts that describe what a Man is. What is Man. We are a very Masculine race combined with high spirit and a metaphysical outlook. 87
Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 14, 2009, 08:24 PM | # In order to Destroy Christianity—-the European races must be destroyed—-and it is all Satanic. Judiasm relies on “orthopraxis”. Orthopraxis means “right action”. The not eating of certain foods, this ritual or that ritual. Again you can see the materialism, despite a faith in God, of the Jewish practice of their religion. Notice also the lack of art, of three dimensional art. They have a minamalist, monomanical methodology to their culture and religion. Christianity is the opposite of Judiasm. Apostolic Christianity is based on “orthodoxa”, right belief. This means that the faith is Transcendent, Metaphysical. Christianity is based on Truth, Truth being a metaphysical thing, like beauty. Truth and beauty are not material but Transcendent. Apostolic Christianity is a European religion. The ancient Greeks, the first Europeans, laid down the laws for Truth. The First being the principle of non-contradiction from Paramenides. The principle of non-contradiction is the product of a Masculine, logically oriented mind—-peculiar to only Europeans. Asian Syncretism is the opposite of this. Christianity can not survive amongst Asian Syncretism nor Semitic monomanicalism. Upon this foundation of Paramenides, Socrates added the principle of identity and that of consistency; all logic based. A sign of the Masculine mind. Socrates begins the Scientific spirit which is the hallmark of Western culture and civilization. Greek Metaphysicalness, combined with Roman/Latin pragmatism, forms Western Cutlure and these two streams combined to form a medium for the growth and maintenance of Christianity. Christianity can not survive outside of Europe. Christianity may be spread to other lands, but its orthodoxy can only be guaranteed by Europe’s races who have this Masculine Transcendent mind and outlook. Destroy Europe—-you destroy Christianity. This is why. Life is War. And the lesson of the Illiad to Western Man is that our world is connected to the world above. The war above is mimiced, paralled, is shadowed down here. We are in a Cosmic battle, and we are but pawns in a chess game but with a twist, it is a two way street, we have the power down here to affect the outcome. We share in that. Our people were decieved with the idea of Freedom; and so we destroyed our kings, our aristocracy, and our Church; and ended up being enslaved by the beings that hate us. 88
Posted by Captainchaos on August 14, 2009, 08:31 PM | #
So what is your point? Do you actually believe giving Jews free rein in host societies is good for the host population? If not, wouldn’t complete Jew-expulsion be optimal? Or do ticking time bombs appeal to you? 89
Posted by Dan Dare on August 14, 2009, 09:20 PM | # Ooo-er! The Cap’n's got the rubber truncheons out and slipped into treuer Heini mode again. 90
Posted by Captainchaos on August 15, 2009, 09:13 AM | # Calm down Danny Boy, I simply asked you a few questions. If you don’t see fit to, you know, actually defend your proposals, that’s on you. 91
Posted by bluebell on August 15, 2009, 10:06 AM | # Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 15, 2009, 12:24 AM | # ‘‘In order to Destroy Christianity—-the European races must be destroyed—-and it is all Satanic.’‘ Christianity is an empty box with or without the destruction of the European race. 92
Posted by John on August 15, 2009, 10:15 AM | # Any religion or mythology not firmly anchored to blood and soil sews the seeds for destroying the former and rendering uninhabitable the latter. 93
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 15, 2009, 11:06 AM | #
So a Prussian aristocrat back-stabbed his own people for personal benefit. The above was hardly the first instance of that. The Euro aristocrats proved to be quite corruptible in several instances. The Habsburgs, the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas, etc all showed philosemitism at some point in their later days. More importantly: Are you or are you not opposed to Jewish presence/influence in the West? 94
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 15, 2009, 11:08 AM | # As the power of money increased the aristocracy more or less outlived their usefulness, being essentially throwbacks to an earlier time where war/defense/autarky were the order of the day. When barrier-crushing, border-crossing capitalism rose as a force the aristocracy of Europe was anything but immune to temptation and the desire for money often led them and the nations they represented down less-than-beneficial paths. 95
Posted by A. Friend on August 15, 2009, 12:44 PM | # Let’s see how much of their own medicine the Jews can stand before they crack and start exploding in anger. Jews are too smart to go around exploding in anger. You’d do well to learn from them. Have you ever debated Jews? Take the Kol Nidre . On the face of it it’s indefensible. But defend it Jews do. And they do it so calmly, reasonably and understandingly, you end up looking like the frothing, irrational idiot—and another seed has been planted that anyone arguing along such lines is crazed fanatic. And that is what you need to be doing: planting seeds, not winning debates. No one will be convinced by the outcome of one debate. Only seeds of sound reasoning can hope to sprout and bloom in this inhospitable terrain. Lawrence Auster is a pro-Euro Jew. Yes, with allies like that… 96
Posted by Captainchaos on August 15, 2009, 01:13 PM | # Dan Dare, as well as other English nationalists, reject the most direct and decisive means of resolving the Jewish question (i.e., expulsion) because that would entail a level of top-down imposed group cohesion that is not the strong suit of the English. The English are genetically more prone to individualism than Germans, though English nationalists ostensibly reject that notion. They are being disingenuous. How do I know that? Because they also reject the proposal of genetically merging English and Germans because they do in fact believe there are substantive genetic differences between the two that would be lost if merged. If they did not believe there were such genetic differences it would seem the prudent course to merge the two peoples so that no more silly fratricidal conflicts would take place, the only thing being lost would be cultural distinctiveness. And they reject culturism, genetic preservation being much more important to them than cultural preservation, so it is most likely not culture they are interested in preserving. When pressed, Dare resorts to silly little smears. He is triangulating against National Socialism to advance his own ethnic genetic interests at what he perceives to be the short term expense of Germans, and those of German descent. I take it he thinks no harm done since Germans are so exceptionally demoralized (thanks to the English and their allies) that no nationalist solutions will take place in Germany that have the potential to aid the cause of other White nationalists. English nationalism, if it wins out, will aid the cause of German genetic survival, he assumes. We shall see. 97
Posted by Friedrich Braun on August 15, 2009, 03:07 PM | # Degenerate filth. If W.N. is to embrace decadence and sexual perversion, what’s the point? 98
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 15, 2009, 03:44 PM | #
So the English in your estimation are inherently opposed to something like NS? There certainly was a fascist movement in England (guys like Raven are worth reading) but it did not catch on there – but then, England was never exposed to the hyperinflationary postwar damage that Weimar Germany had to endure. So what I’m saying is – are the English inherently opposed or is it a matter of the proper impetus?
Aryans have a strong competitive streak, on both the individual and group level. The Germans and the English, in compromising their particular identities, would be going against the Aryan impulse to compete rather than assimilate. Often times it seems that the closer the relation is, the greater the impulse between two groups to compete. It’s just our nature. Fratricide is natural to Aryans – so the question becomes how to thwart the worst impulses in this regard to ensure mutual survival.
And yet NS was effective where all other de-Jewing schemes have failed. Why not take cues from a strategy that is proven to work?
Yes we shall. 99
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 15, 2009, 03:51 PM | #
Whenever I have a conversation with the “unawakened” regarding politics I always use “Jewish influence.” This is a catch-all that can be used whether you’re discussing finance, government, military, education, media, etc since it is, of course, everywhere. It is fairly neutral and can be amply demonstrated with facts. Most of the time it is not received with immediate defensiveness - except from those who’ve a reason to be defensive. 100
Posted by Dan Dare on August 15, 2009, 04:30 PM | #
The underlying irony is that, by 1939, Hitler had largely resolved his own Jewish Question in the Großes Reich but by invading his neighbours he took on theirs as well. 101
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 15, 2009, 05:00 PM | #
Not his finest moment. He should have had some contingency, i.e., “relocate upon discovery”. 102
Posted by Captainchaos on August 15, 2009, 05:23 PM | #
Only the manufactured “irony” of a charlatan. The National Socialists were fully committed to ridding all Europe of the Jewish pestilence. You know that. You claim Jews have no genetic compulsion to subvert to dominate host societies. Utter bollocks - something I suspect you claim only to maintain the alleged consistency of your positions. You dare defend those that nearly extinguished the life of the German people, the beating heart of our race. Outrageous. That was the true Holocaust. Nearly half the German soldiers who died did during the last sixteen months of the war on the Eastern Front as they rended limp from torso in a desperate bid to keep the Bolshevik swine from their women and children, not to mention those who fought the cowards who flew in planes and burned their cities and people to ashes. That is love, that is devotion, that is honor. The love a Kraut has for his people and land runs deep, you ought learn that well. Do what you must to advance the cause of English nationalism, and by extension all of our people, but know the lies don’t go unnoticed by a few. 103
Posted by Dan Dare on August 15, 2009, 06:18 PM | # Now, now Cap’n, let’s not go overboard eh? I’m perfectly relaxed about being a target for your bilious rants but do draw the line at being called a liar. I’ll have to ask you to substantiate your aspersions or to provide a retraction. 104
Posted by Desmond Jones on August 15, 2009, 07:40 PM | # The greater irony is that by committing to war with Germany, to ensure Poland’s territorial integrity, the English placed themselves in a death spiral and according to Prof. Lynn face extinction. The German demographic future, though not perfect, is much rosier. 105
Posted by Dan Dare on August 15, 2009, 08:19 PM | # I wasn’t aware that Prof. Lynn (Richard, presumably?) is a noted demographer in addition to his many other qualifications. Where can we view his prognosticians on future population trends in Western Europe? No doubt you’ll be able to point us to submissions in peer-reviewed journals such as the European Journal of Population or the Proceedings of the International Union for the Scientific Study of Population. 106
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 15, 2009, 09:17 PM | # Prof. Lynn wrote recently about demographic projections here, Dan: 107
Posted by Dan Dare on August 15, 2009, 10:10 PM | # Thank you for that, Fred. Lynn depends on David Coleman (Prof. of Demography at Oxford) for his figures, so they are basically sound, as far as they go. I know exactly where Lynn obtained the statistics, since I have Coleman’s 2006 paper on file and fact am proposing to produce a commentary about it here at some point. The paper is entitled Immigration and Ethnic Change in Low-Fertility Countries: A Third Demographic Transition; I haven’t been able to find it online for free, but did obtain a soft copy through my local university library via Jstor. There are really two strands to the discussion. The first concerns the demographic change in western countries as a result of immigration, which is what Lynn is focusing on (and rightly so of course). The second is to do with the fertility of the native population, and it is in that context that my eyebrow raised at Desmond’s comments above concerning the demographic challenges facing Britain and Germany. The implication is that the native population in Britain will ‘face extinction’ whereas the native German population has a ‘rosier future’. In fact, Coleman’s paper demonstrates exactly the opposite. He postulates that the native population of England and Wales will decline from 46 million in 2004 to around 42 million in 2051. Germany’s native population will decline from 74 million to 52 million over a similar time period. This is a reflection of the difference in total (native) fertility rate between the two countries: 1.75 in E & W versus 1.35 in Germany. It’s very important that we consider the influence of both strands (immigration and native TFR) when thinking about Coleman’s ‘Third Demographic Transition’. 108
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 15, 2009, 10:54 PM | #
Consider them? In what way must we consider them beyond what we already do? We’re well aware of both but the central issue is large-scale immigration of the racially unlike, it isn’t the white birth rate (I refuse to use any term, such as TFR, that includes the word “fertility” as there’s nothing wrong with the “fertility” (meaning the biological ability to get pregnant) of white women whereas talking non-stop about their “low fertility” leaves the impression they have medical fertility problems: “White women have low fertility — there’s something medically wrong with their female organs or their hormones, they can’t reproduce, they’re infertile, the statistics say so, the demographers all agree on it — so it’s a good thing we’re getting all these Mexican women in here, who have nothing wrong with their ability to get pregnant and can keep the country full of people instead of letting it die out due to white women’s scarred fallopian tubes, mal-functioning ovaries, dysgenic vaginas, or whatever is causing white women’s impaired fertility”). Close the doors to immigration of the racially unlike as Japan does, and low birthrates won’t translate into race-replacement. They’ll just translate into more living space for the smaller population, a good thing. 109
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 15, 2009, 10:54 PM | #
That prediction seems a bit overstated. I don’t know about the rest of Germany but I’ve spent some time in Baden-Wurttemburg and the fertility rate there is at least replacement level if not higher. It seems that local families receive subsidies to have children (don’t know if that is specific to B-W). 110
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 15, 2009, 10:57 PM | # Those women having babies in B-W aren’t Turkish are they, Mark? Be careful, they might be. 111
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on August 16, 2009, 12:39 AM | # No, they were Aryan. Actually I saw very few non-whites there at all, neither Asiatics nor Negroes are much in evidence there. There is the occasional immigrant but in all it is the most white area I’ve ever been to. No, there’s definitely a white, Aryan baby boom in Baden-Wurttemburg. Oh well, I thought you’d be glad to hear some good news amidst all the dire prognostications. 112
Posted by Dan Dare on August 16, 2009, 01:45 AM | #
My point was that Desmond didn’t appear to be doing so in his post above.
I used TFR simply because that’s how Coleman presents his data. Demographers do seem to want to distinguish at various times between fertility rate (the number of children that a woman will give birth to in her lifetime, on average) and birth rate (the number of live births per 1000 population). Why they do so is not immediately apparent to a layman like oneself. As for the underlying reasons for the low birth rate (and by extension, the low TFR) of females of European descent, I think we all understand that this is not a biological or a medical issue, but a political one.
As an active supporter of the Optimum Population Trust I could not agree more. 113
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 16, 2009, 09:11 AM | #
We here all understand it but does everyone out there understand it? How many people reading the newspapers where they talk constantly about “the need to import umpteen gazillion Negroes, Mexicans, Subcons, Orientals, Arabs, mulattoes, meztizoes, zombos, ‘ttoids, ‘groids, ‘gloids, ‘loids, ‘mmoids, and assorted mystery meat in order to pay for the retirements of today’s workers because white women have low fertility and aren’t reproducing” get the vague idea there’s something medically wrong with white women’s ability to get pregnant which is at the root of the problem, the sort of thing that makes married women pay thousands of dollars to have treated in special “Fertility Clinics” because they have trouble getting pregnant? How many ordinary people out there hearing constantly about white women’s “low fertility problem” vaguely interpret the news in that way? “Kick Brown out because he wants to Negrify the country? Whyever would I want to do that when he has no choice? Negrifying it is better than having no people here at all, or haven’t you heard? White women have “low fertility” — they’ve got a “low fertility rate” — their fertility has gone through the floor these past forty-odd years, they can’t have babies, and no one knows why but all the demographers are talking about it. You know what fertility is don’t you, mate? It’s when they either can or can’t get pregnant. Looks like white women can’t any more — there’s something wrong with their female organs or something.” People aren’t up on all the subtleties of the demographers’ terminology and in general don’t draw fine distinctions anyway. They need a plain word that talks about amounts of births, NOT about whites women’s “low fertility.” Everyone knows that when a married woman is trying to get pregnant but can’t she goes to a fertility clinic to see a fertility doctor and be treated for her medical problem of “low fertility” caused by insufficient hormones, scarred fallopian tubes, being too old because her Jewish college professors told her to wait till she was 39 to start so she could devote herself to her career first, or what-have-you. No, the demography profession is going to have to find another word that doesn’t confuse the broad public by using a medical term signifying the biological ability to get pregnant (there is not a thing wrong with white women’s biological ability to get pregnant) to signify instead something entirely different, something, as you say, Dan, wholly political, neither biological nor medical at all: the number of babies white women either choose not to have under the influence of their Jewish college professors telling them the worst choice in the world is for women to have babies, or are forced not to have by the economic conditions imposed on them one way or another by their Jewish college professors’ co-religionists in government. 114
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 16, 2009, 09:19 AM | # Of course when those same white women have Negro babies the Jewish college professors applaud their choice like there’s no tomorrow. It’s just the choice to have Euro-race babies that is STRENG VERBOTEN!!! 115
Posted by Captainchaos on August 16, 2009, 04:49 PM | # Dare, I have already provided what I believe to be a well reasoned argument from the circumstantial evidence as I see it. You can provide a rejoinder if you like. 116
Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 16, 2009, 08:32 PM | # Why do you talk of low-birthrates when Abortion upon demand is still current. I mean really this is hypo critical. When our culture speaks of a “woman’s right to chose” and that sex is for pleasure what do you expect? I thought the first thing European nationalists would do is outlaw abortion, ending the glorification of easy innumberable sex, and the bar/disco night life. Isn’t this what European Nationalists should be doing? Is there not a correlation between Faith and Families with children? Do you see socialists, communists, liberals and the bar scene people with huge numbers of children? No. It is the people that attend Church that have children. Greece has a sickening birthrate, yet the women there get like 10 abortions apiece. The Abortion industry is alive and well in Greece. Funny, Islam doesn’t teach abortion and it tells its people that children are a great blesssing, unlike European post-Christian culture. 117
Posted by the Narrator... on August 17, 2009, 01:42 AM | #
The problem isn’t low birthrates for Europeans. The problem is the presence of non-Europeans. Remove them and there is no issue. Immigration and birth rates are two separate issues that are in no way connected (in spite of what our Corporate media says). As it is Europe (like North America) is vastly overpopulated. It desperately needed a reduction in numbers by the tens of millions. It seems a natural force or cycle was underway to bring the population numbers back into harmony with the space they occupied, but the Powers that be decided to overrule nature and allow an infestation of non-Whites to prop up their (already artificially inflated) profit margins. .
Nope.
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Posted by Frank on August 17, 2009, 04:41 AM | # ” Is there not a correlation between Faith and Families with children? Posted by WLindsayWheeler on August 17, 2009, 12:32 AM “ I’ve seen the claim made actually. I’ll see if I can locate it. 119
Posted by Armor on August 17, 2009, 07:01 AM | #
In white countries, during the 20th century, there has been a concentration of people and jobs around big cities, away from the countryside. I think it led to pressure to reduce family size. Then, the Traitors that be decided to inject millions of third worlders into the most populated areas (instead of sending them to Northern Greenland or the Mojave desert, where the impact would have been less devastating). Certain types of non-whites create a particularly strong pressure on the white population. Blacks and Arabs like to be in the streets. Even when they are still a minority, they look like they own the streets, they kill any feeling we have of being in a friendly, homelike place, and they tend to drive the whites away from public spaces. 120
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 17, 2009, 08:10 AM | #
Correct.
Also correct. (Mexicans have the same effect as blacks and Arabs.) 121
Posted by the Narrator... on August 17, 2009, 08:40 AM | #
I’ve seen the claim too, but it is a point that tends to become circular as many religious people declare atheism to be a religion and its proponents to hold a faith in it. ... 122
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 17, 2009, 08:59 AM | #
That’s thanks to all the welfare money they get. They don’t have to work, or look for work, or spend their time bettering themselves learning skills or trades or advancing their education to improve their prospects for finding work, as whites do, in order to get ahead in this world. Our white overlords simply tax us whites to death to pay the Negroes, Arabs, and Mexicans so they can hang around in the streets looking like they own the place, driving us whites, whose streets those are, off of them. That’s what our white overlords are doing. 123
Posted by Don on August 17, 2009, 09:12 AM | # We’re working on a hypothesis that says the Euro-Americans in USA are not committing demographic suicide so much as allowing or encouraging an unconscious eugenic movement within our demography to strip itself of its under-100 IQ portion as well as its way too-clever folks who opportunistically grasp for participation in the urban-coastal class. It might seem odd to welcome the workings of an unconscious mechanism that is stripping us of the least worthy among us, but consider a world with half as many diverse white Americans, but many more of whom are smarter, cleaner, wealthier, and happier than our generation. Numbers, as we all know, are not the determining factor in social power and safety—organization is the key necessity. We just need to learn to talk and to end our curious silences in the face of enormous aggression in our own land. 124
Posted by Frank on August 17, 2009, 12:36 PM | # “I’ve seen the claim too, but it is a point that tends to become circular as many religious people declare atheism to be a religion and its proponents to hold a faith in it.” A corrupt religion though. The more religious of Muslims, Christians and Christian-like sects, Hindus, and Jews tend to reproduce more. 125
Posted by Frank on August 17, 2009, 12:40 PM | # “as well as its way too-clever folks who opportunistically grasp for participation in the urban-coastal class” What’s likely being lost and mixed with Jews, East Asians, and “other” is the best genetics. And it’s being lost via bad culture. A better analysis would likely reveal a set of tendencies within that, but it shouldn’t be taken for granted that this is some sort of genetic weakness cause. These children ought to be raised properly - it’s a terrible crime for them to be brainwashed as they are nowadays, and it’s our duty to save them. 126
Posted by annihilation on August 18, 2009, 01:04 PM | # Posted by the Narrator… on August 17, 2009, 05:42 AM | # ‘‘The problem isn’t low birthrates for Europeans. The problem is the presence of non-Europeans. Remove them and there is no issue. The West either removes the non-Whites or The West dies, irregardless of our birthrates.’‘ At least you finally admit you dont give a s*** about whether your race survives or not its just that you cant tolerate the presence of non-european whites in ‘your lands’. Once the non-european whites are removed it doesnt matter if whites reproduce or not because the issue according to you isnt ‘‘low birthrates’’ of europeans its the ‘‘presence of non-Europeans’’ in ‘your lands’. Instead of tackling the real issue at heart remove the non- whites and your sorted. Remove non-european whites and everything is hunky even though no ones reproducing. For Gods sake Grow up! ‘‘Immigration and birth rates are two separate issues that are in no way connected (in spite of what our Corporate media says). ‘’ Ofcourse they are but its birth rates over immigration that determine whether a race survives or not a basic factual observation of everyday human life but then you would have to be an observant member of the human species to see it! 127
Posted by JLH on August 18, 2009, 01:47 PM | # The point is not to get into a birth-rate arms race with racial incompatibles, it’s to secure the territory and then tailor our birthrate to the available resources and their rational exploitation on a sustainable basis. 128
Posted by Q on August 18, 2009, 02:35 PM | # ”... but its birth rates over immigration that determine whether a race survives or not a basic factual observation of everyday human life but then you would have to be an observant member of the human species to see it!” WRONG! You have to take a longer term view of what non-white immigration will do to the native white population. Non-white immigration plus time eventually = race-replacement, i.e. genocide. It’s that simple. And its the Jews that are the main players behind the push for massive non-white immigration. They know very well it will lead to the genocide of Euros. That’s precisely why they are pushing so hard to keep the non-white immigration flowing! This is the latest—and most insidious—tactic in a 2000 year war that the Jews have been waging against Euro-Christians.
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Posted by annihilation on August 18, 2009, 02:38 PM | # ‘‘WRONG! You have to take a longer term view of what non-white immigration will do to the native white population. Non-white immigration plus time eventually = race-replacement, i.e. genocide. It’s that simple. And its the Jews that are the main players behind the push for massive non-white immigration. They know very well it will lead to the genocide of Euros. That’s precisely why they are pushing so hard to keep the non-white immigration flowing! This is the latest—and most insidious—tactic in a 2000 year war that the Jews have been waging against Euro-Christians. Ethnic Genetic Interests by Michael Rienzi Racially-conscious whites are often frustrated that people of European descent do not understand a simple fact that others take for granted: that it is normal for an ethnic group or race to want to survive and to avoid displacement by others. Unlike people of other races, whites seem to demand some kind of objective, rather than subjective, reasons for survival. Activists have long hoped a respected academic would offer an objective, scientific justification for the defense by whites of their own ethno-racial interests. The wait is over. Dr. Frank Salter of the Max Planck Society has published just such a justification in the peer-reviewed journal Population and Environment (Vol. 24, No. 2, November 2002, pages 111-140). I believe Dr. Salter’s tour-de-force, “Estimating Ethnic Genetic Interests: Is it Adaptive to Resist Replacement Migration?”, is the single most important recent intellectual contribution to ethno-racial studies. Zulus or Danes …
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Posted by annihilation on August 18, 2009, 02:54 PM | # Posted by JLH on August 18, 2009, 05:47 PM | # The point is not to get into a birth-rate arms race with racial incompatibles, it’s to secure the territory and then tailor our birthrate to the available resources and their rational exploitation on a sustainable basis. How did I make the point otherwise? ‘‘ts birth rates over immigration that determine whether a race survives or not ‘’. You obsess yourself with territory when you can be busy breeding ensuring the survival of your race but either your women are not beautifull enough to occupy your attentiion or thats too easy for you people you want more of a challange. If you wont enjoy it now when will you enjoy it? You funny funny people. Next entry: ‘The world is a business, Mr Beale.’ Previous entry: The Nuremberg Precedents Come Home To Roost |
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Posted by Felim on August 12, 2009, 01:07 PM | #
So European nationalism is now going to include notions like soft-core pornography and embraceable of post-modern trash culture?