The Breivik Action: The First Archeofuturist Victory

In a war there are many moments for compassion and tender action. There are many moments for ruthless action, what is often called ruthless, but may in many circumstances only be clarity, seeing clearly what there is to be done and doing it, directly, quickly, awake, looking at it. – Kurtz

As of this date, July 27, 2011, the military action carried out by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway has altered and shifted drastically the socio-political and cultural struggle of Occidental White Europids (WE™) to retake their ancestral territories, heritage and future history from Globalist-sponsored incursion, colonization and possible genocide. There will be serious setbacks. There will be serious blowback. There will also be considerable and, what was unimaginable opportunity prior to July 22, 2011, to exploit, at a sophisticated and dangerous level, for those White Ethno Nationalists with the political imagination, courage and resolve to do so.

As of this date, the initial burst of media coverage and all related conspiracy theories, second-guessing, conjecture, projection, etc. circulating in cyberspace are superfluous and, all things considered, useless. WE™ are left with an event that is now part of the political and historical fabric and discourse. The event exists only because of the action which birthed the event. Nationalists are left with fielding and dealing with the action itself, a host of both negative and positive consequences, and a flock of political Black Swans that are busy hatching as this is being read.

As was brought into public discourse by Rahm Emanuel when he was the White House Chief of Staff, the political maxim of “Never let a good crisis go to waste,” cuts both ways. For the cut to benefit the struggle of WE™ activists, this will require a certain degree of political sophistication and a clear perception of what can be done…and what cannot be done, and should not be done. The political leadership of global nationalist organizations and parties will be challenged to blunt an onslaught of institutional, media and political demonization, while at the same time probing for and implementing the opportunities that simply did not exist prior to July 22, 2011.

Much of the global nationalist political leadership, especially in NAmerika, will be severely challenged to make the shift to this next plateau. Some will not be challenged. This essay is addressed to the latter, those prepared to take the struggle of White liberation to the next level as forced by the Breivik action while simultaneously putting the goose-stepping and reactionary imposters out to pasture once and for all.

One of the first positive consequences (as opposed to the many negative consequences) that Breivik’s action will generate is that it will flush out the neo-con and Bible-thumping political illiterates and light-weights in the NAmerikan Nationalist community. This is already happening; it is to be welcomed. As pointed out by my Russian colleague, Alexander Mezentsev, “The Oslo ‘massacre’ is a harsh blow against all these malicious Trojan Horses, all these Geert Wilders.” Via their own statements to distance themselves from Breivik, this self-induced purge is already underway.

Much as with the stunted NAmerikan interpretation of European National Socialism, the NAmerikan interpretation of European New Right is a philosophical abortion. The Breivik action opens the door for all Occidental Whites to fully explore and begin to implement the political map as has been laid out by Guillaume Faye with his identification of Archeofuturism.[1]

In simplest terms, Faye believes that the future of White Europids requires a transcendence of the division between those who wish for a restoration of the traditions of the past, and those who are calling for new political, social and technological forms, creating a synthesis which will amplify the strengths and restrain the excesses of both. (Observant readers will readily recognize the notion of philosophical and political Vesica Piscis, as identified by the Renaissance Vanguard International.)

Inherent in the metapolitical and general blueprint of Archeofuturism, is the specific need to uncover/re-discover/re-identify our own archaic spiritual and psychic motivators to fight, with both mind and fist (if and when called upon to do so). As Faye states, this is of extreme importance because all of the foot soldiers of our Globalist enemies, i.e. Muslim, African, Mexican, already fight with such clarity and desperation; by never having shed these types of motivations, the Globalist foot soldiers already inhabit the Archeofuturist world! Unless Whites discover and adopt same motivators, we are at their mercy.

Within the European context, Faye states:

The problem for us Europeans is not having these values[2] imposed upon us, on account of our cowardliness, by Islam – as is already happening – but rather of being capable of asserting these values ourselves by drawing them from our historical memory.

For this reason is Breivik’s action the first Archeofuturist military engagement and victory. If one agrees or not with his identification of “Templar Knight” is beside the point. There are other pre-liberal/modernist, pagan-heathen identities to choose from. What matters is that Breivik has laid claim to an Archeofuturist identity and has attached a courageous political decision and action onto this identity. WE™ have been jolted and pulled into this Archeofuturist world and its political struggle. There is now no turning back. Breivik’s action has, kicking and screaming, pushed us across our own political Rubicon. Intended or not, this is the genius of Breivik’s action. The action is either isolated from motive or it is related to motive, this much is self-evident. But even minus a pure and honourable motive, the action itself stands. If the action was engineered by a lone wolf Breivik or by conspiratorial black operatives is secondary to the fact that it is now in the world; that is the opportunity.

WE™ find ourselves now entered onto Sun Tzu’s “Death Ground”; the cultural and political battle has been brought to us and WE™ have now only two options: succeed or perish. Rest assured, our enemies know full well what the Breivik action implies, and a nationalist political elite is about to discover the knowing of it. WE™ have been injected into a Gramscian universe of uncharted territory, remembering that the map is never the territory, not even the Archeofuturist map supplied by Faye. Rightly or wrongly, regardless of intent or non-intent, patsy or not, Mason-Zionist or not, regardless of possible hidden agendas and shady political affiliations, the Breivik action has now framed the discourse and political trajectory of the White Ethno Nationalist movement for years to come. Until proven otherwise via independent research and/or the proceedings/discoveries via his trial, the only evidence at hand are Breivik’s own manifesto, “2083 – A European Declaration of Independence” and the accompanying video “Knights Templar 2083”, both released just prior to the action.[3]

If our enemies have placed “the Breivik action” into the world, then they have made a mistake and the haunting diktat of Talleyrand rings true: “It was worse than a crime; it was a mistake.”

All nationalist armchair and keyboard revolutionaries, myself included, have been put on notice and in proper place. The performance bar has been raised. The gauntlet that has been dropped is simple: either rise to the challenge upon this Archeofuturist Death Ground, or cut bait towards reformist and feel-good twaddle that will not so much as warrant a footnote upon the writing of White Europid history.

WE™ are confronted with a swirling kaleidoscope of opinions, guesses and analyses. It is the fog of war. However, at the center of this swirling kaleidoscope, regardless of who has created it, is the bloody and archaic event itself and the published manuscript of motives and rationale for. The center of any storm is calm, still; it does not revolve in a blur of confusion.

The route from perceived catastrophic setback to actual opportunity is merely one of perception. Direct positives that the Breivik action delivers within this new political universe are as follows:

the mass positioning of the Islamization/colonization of “Eurabia” in the public psyche; if these notions are immediately understood and/or comprehended or not is beside the point; what matters is that, relative to the public psyche, they have now been positioned (NAmerikan legal and illegal immigration is analogous)
the mass positioning of multiculturalism and so-called “Cultural Marxism” as state-sponsored adjuncts to the latter colonization of the Occident by non-Occidentals in the public psyche; if these notions are immediately understood and/or comprehended or not is beside the point; what matters is that, relative to the public psyche, they have now been positioned (NAmerikan situation is analogous)
via the conscious target selection of “innocent” young Whites (and also the future generation of the Norwegian ruling Labour Party) by the Breivik action, the mass positioning of “betrayal from the top” in the public psyche, i.e. non-Occidental immigration and multiculturalism are tools of the Globalist economic and political elites; if this notion is immediately understood and/or comprehended or not (it will not be) is beside the point; what matters is that, relative to the public psyche, it has now been positioned (NAmerikan situation is analogous)
If the Breivik action was carried out solely by Breivik, then the action speaks for itself. If the Breivik action was some sort of false flag or black op orchestrated by forces far beyond Breivik, then the action and its benefits are maintained minus the mention of who may have engineered it. Either way, the psychological memes of the action remain the same. Either way, WE™ have been handed on a silver platter a tactical Knight Fork of opportunity to be scrutinized, analyzed and acted upon.

Over the short term, possibly for as long as several years, there will most likely be serious blowback and sacrifice for nationalist organizations and political parties. At the most these setbacks can be successfully countered, and at the least, neutralized, by a mature marshalling and coordination of the latter benefits on the new political and propaganda terrain. That there will be a media onslaught against the White Ethno Nationalist movement goes without saying. Some dominant individuals and organizations will no doubt fall; others will survive. If the movement can regroup within two to three years, it will be doing well. It may be prudent to remember that tactical and necessary concessions, sacrifices and retreat do not equal surrender.

It is anticipated that the demonization of Whites and the playing on White guilt will morph into nauseous overtures, spearheaded by all forms of corporate print and electronic media. As such campaigns proceed innocent Whites on the receiving ends may well question their cognitive dissonance to the best of their abilities and relative to the “Breivikian” memes that have been lodged in their psyches. What is this Islamization? What is this Eurabia? What is this colonization of our homelands? What is this hidden and ulterior motive/agenda of multiculturalism? Who benefits from having these strangers in our homes? Are we really at war? Nationalist political organizations and parties need be prepared to field these questions.

Lastly, and in passing, the descent towards a Post-Peak Oil world must be addressed for two reasons.

Firstly, Breivik makes no mention of it in his manifesto, yet this descent will run in parallel to an awakening global Ethno Nationalism and related consequences of political devolution and nation-state fracture/secession. Energy devolution, ecological tipping point, and Ethno Nationalism will be the three major socio-political drivers of the 21st Century. The economic maxim of “competition for scarce resources” is part of the racial strife that lays latent in the Occident.

Secondly, it is imperative that Peak Oilers, 95 percent of whom are White, question and preferably distance themselves from their predominantly liberal underpinnings. This is no more evident than with the false path they are being lead down by Michael C. Ruppert. Courageous street cop and brilliant investigative journalist do not necessarily translate into political wisdom for this age. Agree with it or not, like it or not, the world as identified and outlined by the Breivik action is real; it cannot be downplayed; it cannot be swept under the carpet in exchange for roasting weenies over campfires in the false nirvana of Post-Peak Oil humanitarianism and redundant equalities. This world must be accepted. A CollapseNet cash flow of $50,000 per month, no matter how many weenies it can buy, can not and will not deflect the racial/ethnic conflict (to what exact degree will be a challenge of political statesmanship) that is part-and-parcel of a Post-Peak Oil world.

In conclusion, the Breivik action has punched a hole into the public’s wall of limited perception, i.e. denial/fractured political cognitive dissonance. The White Beast may not yet be fully awake, but at the very least it finally stirs in its sleep that has been pushed from deep and unconscious to restless. There is now a breach in the wall, and even though it is as limited as it is, for White activists it signals a shift from cultural RaHoWa to the opening skirmish of actual RaHoWa. WE™ now embark on claiming our own archaic sensibilities, an asset that up to July 22, 2011 had been the sole possession of our enemies. The accompanying political cultural landscape has experienced a significant tremor, a rip in its fabric, much to the advantage of these opening skirmishes and latent propaganda.

The Breivik action is now part of history. Oppressed, gagged and brutalized Whites worldwide, the victims and their families of the Breivik action, and the races that would challenge Whites for eventual survival during this century of pending technocratic cull and ecological purge have been sent a clear and brutal signal. It is that industrial, Globalist civilization is as fragile and as passing as the paper it is written upon. That all peoples have been carried to this new place by possibly the limited self-goal of a delusional, religious conservative is neither here nor there. History will gaze and make its judgment while his action and its consequences remain unhinged and isolated from such judgment.

The Death Ground of the opening phase of Archeofuturism has been breached; there is no turning back. The boats and the cooking utensils have been smashed. WE™ now spiritually, culturally and politically begin to feed and prosper upon the enemy or eventually perish. These are the only two options. Our genocide is simply not acceptable. RaHoWa has arrived with all the political wisdom and responsibility that come with it. The horrible incentive to see clearly becomes tantamount.

Such is now our world as of July 22, 2011. However one may understand a God(s) of their choosing, may God’s speed be with us all. WE™ shall need it.

(Note: The opinions expressed in this essay are those of Sebastian Ernst Ronin as an individual. No political opinion and/or sentiment expressed herein is related to Mr. Ronin’s position as the Chairman of the Renaissance Vanguard International.)

[1] Guillaume Faye, Archeofuturism (European Visions of the Post-Catastrophic Age), Arktos Media Ltd., 2010.

[2] Archeofuturism, p. 76: “The mindset of Muslims and immigrants from the South, as well as that of the sons of the immigrants who, in expanding and increasingly aggressive masses, are inhabiting European cities, as well as that of the leaders of the emerging Muslim and modern gloss, has remained archaic: it is based on the primacy of force, the legitimacy of conquest, exacerbated ethnic exclusivity, aggressive religiosity, tribalism, machismo, and a worship of leaders and hierarchic order.”

[3] Full disclosure requires me to relay that I was one of the 5,700 people who did receive an advance email attachment of Mr. Breivik’s manifesto.

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Posted by Chechar on July 27, 2011, 01:46 PM | #

This article by Sebastian Ernst Ronin is the most insightful one I’ve read on the Anders Behring Breivik action so far. We can turn this incident to our advantage!

Posted by anon on July 27, 2011, 01:58 PM | #

[Scatologicoblasphemous redaction], that’s excellent Seb!

Could not have put it better myself.

I will read it again and let it digest.

Wonderful…

Posted by wattylersrevolt on July 27, 2011, 02:35 PM | #

In real blood-and-guts terms what you wrote comes down this: There are great dangers for both the Norwegian and English goverments if they do a mass crackdown on the native male populations of these respective nations. These goverments could really be walking on a political tightrope. A mass crackdown on the Native Male populations could very easily result in an unwillingness of the Governed to be governed any more by the Goverments of race-replacement and social-cultural filth. If this ever happens, these Govements could be overthrown.

However, if the vast majority of Native Norwegians and English Males are enthusiasts for social and cultural filth, these Goverments may have a much better chance of surviving until race-replacement is complete. What should be obvious is that post -WW2 sex-drugs-rock&roll culture is not worth fighting and dying ...for if it was..muslim and asian immigration-both incompatible with post-WW2 drugs-sex-rock and roll social and cultural filth-would have been shut down a long time ago..long term survival of Norwegian and English faggofied Heterosexual culture is not long term viable. I suppose this is the underlying paradox of the situation.

Roger Daltry can complain all he wants…the hedonistic lifefstyle he lived and promoted is the number one reason for the death of Native English Man and Woman…thing is true for Norway also.

In real concrete terms, it may not be worth dying for [insulting reference to sacred Motherhood]. Think about it.

Posted by John Morgan on July 27, 2011, 03:20 PM | #

I’m sorry but I don’t agree (although I do appreciate your references to our edition of “Archeofuturism”). The ability of an individual or even a small group to carry out a spectacular attack is no indication that a new historical era is dawning. Many people felt the same way about Robert Matthews and The Order, Timothy McVeigh, and to a lesser extent a number of other attacks in recent decades. In the long run all of them amounted to isolated incidents of little long-term consequence, other than to put the establishment on guard. Al Qaeda had marginally better success in bringing about changes to the rules of the game with 9/11, but likewise it did not lead to the achievement of any of the Islamists’ goals. There has not been a single successful Islamist revolution in the last decade, and 9/11 led to the ousting of AQ’s ally, namely the Taliban. The most important historical event in the Muslim world since 9/11 has been the Arab Spring, which Al Qaeda had nothing to do with. An event only really qualifies as historical if it leads to lasting change, with the struggle being picked up by others. Breivik is going to go down in history as a lone nut. No one (hopefully) is going to pick up his mantle. The archeofuturist trends you wish to see are out there, but if they come to fruition, it will be from other, better sources.

Posted by Chechar on July 27, 2011, 03:41 PM | #

John M.,

You can disagree but it is UP TO US to define if we can turn this incident to our advantage. Yes: unless Breivik is emulated by other Europeans his actions will not have any positive effect and his actions could be counterproductive—unless many of us start reading The Brigade.

Posted by John Morgan on July 27, 2011, 03:54 PM | #

Chechar, it’s not just up to us. It’s also up to the 90% of the White population which never gives any thought to the real threats facing the West out there. Violence has no value of its own outside of its context. You could carry out ten Breivik copycat attacks but that still isn’t going to bring about a new historical age. The only thing that most people are going to take away from what happened is: Right wing = dead kids. What is needed is CULTURAL change. Only after you have constructed a serious and long-lasting base of support, and if you’re still encountering resistance, then there might be need of violence as a last resort. But the time isn’t now.

To be honest I think the main reason that so many people are infatuated with people like Breivik is that a lot of true Rightists are frustrated and sick of the fact that there is nothing happening outside of our computer screens and our bookshelves. I share this frustration. But we shouldn’t get carried away with just any action, especially if it’s a WRONG action, like this attack.

Posted by Barbara on July 27, 2011, 04:24 PM | #

I am so happy to read this. I have written on other websites about the fact that we are going to have to resort to violence in order to win our freedom from jews and in order to reclaim our White homelands around the world.

My posts have been deleted on every single website.

It appears that we are allowed to grieve and demonize the action and the person but we’re not allowed to suggest that this is the only way to get rid of the US Congress that keeps going against the consent of the founding stock of America.

Posted by Sebastian Ernst Ronin on July 27, 2011, 04:25 PM | #

Thank you for compliments.

@ John Morgan, re “...it’s not just up to us. It’s also up to the 90% of the White population which never gives any thought to the real threats facing the West out there.”

Yes, this has been addressed. The action/event is now positioned in the public psyche. With several tangents, this is one of the essay’s major themes. The onus falls back onto us, i.e. politically minded, on how best to “mine” this asset, even though it is as yet only marginally comprehended, if that.

Posted by Chechar on July 27, 2011, 04:30 PM | #

John M.,

That’s exactly why I said above “read The Brigade”, which promotes no copycats but a concerted revolutionary effort with the maxim: “First and foremost no kids!”

Sebastian Ernst Ronin is right: while Whites won’t understand the whys of Breivik’s action at the beginning, shocked as they are (and more shocked still if copycats are forthcoming) they’ll surely start asking those questions that Ronin enunciated above.

That would surely be the start of the awakening of their long sleep, of the changing of the Zeitgeist and Culture you talk about.

Posted by John Morgan on July 27, 2011, 04:55 PM | #

Seba, you may be right although personally I think the best course would be to just distance ourselves from this completely. It’s hard to tell the average person, “Yes, this guy gunned down a bunch of unarmed teenagers, but he actually had some good ideas.”

Chechar, I admit that I haven’t read any of Covington’s novels yet although I did just recently acquire “The Brigade.” So I’ll have to see if I agree with this approach. I seriously doubt that there is any segment of the Right out there that is prepared for protracted armed struggle of any kind, however.

Posted by JohnKing on July 27, 2011, 04:57 PM | #

This event is an opportunity that has not been seized. This is an opportunity to point out the behavior of Breivik and the white anti-white elites, is the same:

Breivik committed an act of genocide, by killing the children of the white anti-white elites.

The white anti-white elites are committing genocide against our people, by demanding massive immigration and forced integration, of all white countries and only white countries. Only white people will disappear when they have completed their work. That is genocide.

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As for those discounting Breivik and creating unsubstantiated theories to explain his actions, they have proven themselves ineffective cowards and fantasists.

What use are such people in the harsh world that is coming?

Posted by Guessedworker on July 27, 2011, 04:59 PM | #

Inherent in the metapolitical and general blueprint of Archeofuturism, is the specific need to uncover/re-discover/re-identify our own archaic spiritual and psychic motivators to fight, with both mind and fist (if and when called upon to do so).

Windy Frog garbage. How I wish we could be free of this sort of statement. We do not have a spirit at all, much less a spirit of race. There is nothing but illusion that is spiritual. Faye is praying for a supernatural intervention.

Faith will disagree noisily, as it is apt to. But faith itself - the facility in the emotional mind - is the only fact. All its noumena are absent from the world.

The call to hammer into the public discourse the three positives Ronin lists has merit. I have tested the waters on two national threads at the same newspaper site twenty-four hours apart. The first attempt was pretty heavily opposed. The second scored good recommends.

Archeofuturism, by the way, is based on the wild guess that “the division between those who wish for a restoration of the traditions of the past, and those who are calling for new political, social and technological forms”, if transcended (whatever that entails), will create “a synthesis which will amplify the strengths and restrain the excesses of both.”

Why would it do that? What is left of these two opposites and what is taken out? What is the regulator of this action? Where does it originate?

It’s easy to do windy garbage. Nationalist philosophy has been doing it as soon as it gets beyond “analysis of the problem” for the last ninety years.

Posted by Chechar on July 27, 2011, 05:59 PM | #

@ “Chechar, I admit that I haven’t read any of Covington’s novels yet although I did just recently acquire ‘The Brigade.’ So I’ll have to see if I agree with this approach. I seriously doubt that there is any segment of the Right out there that is prepared for protracted armed struggle of any kind, however.”

John M., You have read some science-fiction, haven’t you? This is a passage from the last chapter, “The Last Generation”, of my favorite novel, Childhood’s End:

Jeff and Jenny had been the first in all the world, but soon they were no longer alone. Like an epidemic spreading swiftly from land to land, the metamorphosis [psi development] infected the entire human race.

What I meant by mentioning The Brigade in the context of Ronin’s article is simple:

Anders and Jenny had been the first in the white world, but soon they were no longer alone. Like an epidemic spreading swiftly from land to land, the RaHoWa metamorphosis infected the entire race.

Windy garbage, or a real possibility?

I don’t know. But I do know that after July 22 we have no choice but try to follow the lead of the vanguardists starting from Pierce’s Hunter (copycat) and following it up with the Brigade (only one ethno-state) and if possible even with the Diaries (conquering the whole world for the white race).

That this is up to us leftists know all too well and are shitting in their pants right now. Just look at this lovely message from the anti-hate squad I got today because of what I republished in my blog:

I hope counterterrorism police locate you and execute you upon raiding your apartment. You are a waist of oxygen and food. You are evil and misguided. You shall discover whether eternal damnation is real. You shall suffer forever as you are suffering now unless you let go of the hate within you.

Posted by Durotrigan on July 27, 2011, 06:01 PM | #

Here’s a little sociological background to recent events in Norway in the form of a video news report detailing the fact that all rapes in Oslo over the past year, and almost all over the past five years, have been committed by non-Western, often Muslim, immigrants. Realities such as this need to be highlighted to combat the multiculturalist offensive against nationalists following the Breivik incident: http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/2011/07/rape-gift-from-norways.html

Posted by anon on July 27, 2011, 06:26 PM | #

I have tested the waters on two national threads at the same newspaper site twenty-four hours apart. The first attempt was pretty heavily opposed. The second scored good recommends.

Link, would you. I like your public appearances. You’re ever so stolid.

It’s easy to do windy garbage. Nationalist philosophy has been doing it as soon as it gets beyond “analysis of the problem” for the last ninety years.

Well, we know to not expect non-teleological venting from Faye & co.

Posted by Sebastian Ernst Ronin on July 27, 2011, 07:13 PM | #

John Morgan, yes, it is possible to “distance” from Breivik, his history and affiliations (real and imagined), etc., but it is not possible to “distance” from the event that he has placed into the world. You are likely aware of Harold Macmillan’s famous quip when asked by a cub reporter what represented the greatest challenge for a statesman. Macmillan replied: “Events, my dear boy, events.”

Posted by Guessedworker on July 27, 2011, 07:21 PM | #

Anon,

Link, would you.

I would rather keep the current vehicle under wraps. I get banned regularly, for some unaccountable reason.

One site that I do not comment at is the Daily Mail. But this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019382/Extremism-met-democracy-Defiant-Norwegian-Prime-Minister-responds-twin-attacks-killed-76.html

... features some interesting responses to the Norwegian PM’s defiant assertion that Norway will “meet extremism with more democracy”.

I suspect that the settled judgement of Breivik will be that he was a psycho but Norway’s rulers, like ours, like everyone’s in the West, just don’t listen to their own people on the immigration issue.

Posted by anon on July 27, 2011, 08:35 PM | #

the Norwegian PM’s defiant assertion that Norway will “meet extremism with more democracy”

Yea, that was perfectly sinister. Is it the veiled threat of Newspeak or the craven martyr-mentality of post-Christian liberalism? or both?

Where were you commenting before — the Guardian was it? I lost track of happenings there.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 27, 2011, 09:42 PM | #

Malcolm Y forshadowing Breiv Heart?

Posted by gregk on July 27, 2011, 10:25 PM | #

Breivik struck back at the anti-white traitors.Now treason is in the air.

What better time to ask:

“Are you pro-white,or pro-white genocide?”

Posted by Rusty on July 27, 2011, 10:41 PM | #

I found a site which has been collecting videos of acts of modern christian worship across America. Over 1500 videos documenting the spiritual and emotional maturity of the generation which will lead us to victory.

http://www.alittleleaven.com

In my experience in Houston, these “churches” are not uncommon. I was nevertheless surprised at how widespread was the modern church movement and at how deep it could get. Yes, our salvation is only a beat away, I’m sure.

Posted by John Morgan on July 27, 2011, 11:19 PM | #

Seba, I just don’t see this event as having the same gravity that you attribute to it. You remain quite vague as to what, exactly, the meaning of Breivik’s actions should have for European nationalists and why it’s such an earth-shattering event. There’s nothing particularly mind-blowing about going into a crowd of unarmed, unsuspecting kids in a summer camp with a Mini-14 and opening fire. And I think very few people in the general public are going to take away the lessons from this attack that you think they will. Most people are not going to have a greater understanding of the Muslim colonization of Europe, or understand that Europe’s liberal parties are complicit in it, from Breivik’s actions or writings. All they will take away from it is the image of piles of teenage corpses, and associate this with those who are trying to get this message across in less psychotic ways. I see no “genius” in what Breivik did since, strategically, it was idiotic in the extreme, not to mention morally reprehensible. Rightists condemn the Muslims for being brutal and savage in warfare; is the solution to emulate them?

Posted by Leon Haller on July 27, 2011, 11:39 PM | #

Whites as a race are now too stupid and weak to exist. We have been genetically rotting for more than a century - but with massive acceleration in the dysgenic trend in recent decades. Likewise, our numbers have not only fallen precipitately, beginning in the early 20th century, but are set to decline much further and with astonishing rapidity in the coming decades, due to my generation’s collapse in birthrates (itself due to feminism’s victory in opening up professional opportunities to females).

Meanwhile, at the moment of our race’s greatest weakness in straightforward numeric and geopolitical terms (at least since Tamurlane’s aborted assault on Europe), as well as relative to the now exploded, world-historical (and long-predicted, but not prepared for) Third World population bomb, we have everywhere abandoned the Racial Principle, and embraced the psychotic death cult of racial-difference denial and egalitarian multiculturalism.

Oh, and interracial fraternization and miscegenation proceeds apace ...

And you think your race will survive?

Please. Who is naive, and who realistic?

Whites will survive only through our efforts - through the struggle of those who affirmatively want white survival. And our efforts will only amount to anything if we can separate and form our own sovereign living space - the Racial State.

Everything else at this point is mere management of decline, pre-extinction (more likely, however, pre-extermination).

Posted by Wandrin on July 27, 2011, 11:42 PM | #

Events will happen. The other side will use them against us. We have to use them better. This is true whatever the details of the event.

But faith itself - the facility in the emotional mind - is the only fact

But that single fact is a piece of Lego. It can be used to build whatever you want and if people act on what you built then those actions are real.

If i had the inclination i’d use the Lego to build a kind of liberal nationalist confucianism (which would probably annoy everyone).

Posted by anon on July 28, 2011, 12:07 AM | #

Leon,

Well done. Certainly the bleakest words on the matter I have ever read.

Yet in every one of the comments of this kind, after all the doom-saying, there comes an encouraging little coda that appeals to man’s optimism bias, usually with trigger words like survive and efforts, as above. I’ve observed, though, that the doom-saying part of these comments has gradually overgrown the optimistic disclaimer toward the end, likely reflecting your growing pessimism with regard to our fortunes as “a sprawling exogamous population”.

So are we finished or aren’t we? Don’t just get off on writing our obituary. This isn’t a mere exercise in literary pessimism. Actually decide if you believe we are finished, or simply enjoy sounding the death-knell while maintaining belief in recovery.

CULTIVATE THE HABIT OF DECISION. Then give us pics of your Asian girlfriend.

Posted by jimmy Marr on July 28, 2011, 12:26 AM | #

“I think very few people in the general public are going to take away the lessons from this attack that you think they will.”

Yeah, I think the lesson was redundant. Aryans have always valued swimming skills more than the sinking masses.

Posted by Guest Lurker on July 28, 2011, 01:33 AM | #

There’s nothing particularly mind-blowing about going into a crowd of unarmed, unsuspecting kids in a summer camp with a Mini-14 and opening fire.

Oh come off of it already. You’re using the enemy’s lingo. KIDS? Granted, on the list I’ve viewed so far, the three youngest were 14, 15. and 17. The rest were in their twenties or older-hardly just “kids.” They weren’t dropped off at “summer camp” by mommy and daddy. These were the up and coming leftist ideologues who were going to succeed their mothers and fathers in exterminating their own people through forced multiculturalism. The hard-core hooded antifa marxist scum in Europe who run pitched battles with police and set cars aflame would happily kick you to death because you’re a racist if they could get away with it, and they are of the same age. Those young communist ideologues chose to be there and at the service and furtherance of their twisted anti-white multicultural ideology. The soldiers of standing armies are of the same age as these “kids.”

Posted by danielj on July 28, 2011, 02:26 AM | #

Fascist, Nazi, and advocate of violence that I am, I cannot bring myself to condone.

These were illegitimate targets. They were unarmed. Most of our kind, who are our enemies, know not what they do. I’m not squeamish and I don’t think this was some unspeakable horror but this isn’t strategic or justifiable.

Posted by Wandrin on July 28, 2011, 04:19 AM | #

As everything carries on getting worse i expect there will be more individual rage-attacks from time to time. I think Breivik has ensured that almost all of them will be directed at the political elite in some way, whether symbolic or real, rather than random people in the street of whatever ethnicity.

I think that is significant.

Posted by Sebastian Ernst Ronin on July 28, 2011, 07:11 AM | #

John Morgan, re:

“You remain quite vague as to what, exactly, the meaning of Breivik’s actions should have for European nationalists.”

Yes, at this time, things are “vague”, i.e. “the fog of war” as identified. My point, very clearly outlined, is that nationalists have the opportunity to clarify what is latent in the vagueness. This is the political challenge. The opportunity is all we have. If it will be followed through on or not is a different matter.

“unarmed, unsuspecting kids in a summer camp”

Ditto comment of Guest Lurker. Had Breivik committed same action in a mosque, the story would already be fizzling, he and his action just another toss-away in a “crazed” world. I have not come out and endorsed the action. What I do endorse is that, rightly or wrongly, Breivik’s action entailed a very sophisticated political premise, so sophisticated in fact that it flies over most heads, most nationalist heads inclusive.

“few people in the general public are going to take away the lessons from this attack that you think they will”

Agreed, they will take away no lessons. But I did not claim that they would. My claim is that the event, along with its related memes, are now positioned in the public psyche, ranging from consciously to subliminally. All of the memes identified have been done with a question mark. As the condition worsens, will the public start asking itself these questions? On that one, we all get to stay tuned.

Posted by Stephen on July 28, 2011, 07:48 AM | #

When someone brings up Anders Brevik. Compare him to leftist mass murdering heroes like John Brown and Nelson Mandela. You might also mention the fact that immigrants rape and murder many more than that number each year in otherwise mostly peaceful white countries.

Posted by Leon Haller on July 28, 2011, 07:50 AM | #

Maybe whites are waking up ...

See this story

http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-student-alleges-racial-bias-valedictorian-choice-223416668.html

The comments (at least the one page I scrolled down examining) were more racist than most of what gets said at MR - and that was yahoo! All anti-affirmative action, whites get shit on usually, etc

Well, I say, “Yahooooooo!”

Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on July 28, 2011, 07:58 AM | #

Breivik the proud Nordicist:

Within approximately 100-150 years or within 4-5 generations (if the current development is allowed to continue) the Germanic/Nordic race in several countries will be diluted or annihilated to such a degree that there will be no one left with Nordic physical characteristics; blond hair, blue eyes, high forehead, sturdy cheekbones. As such, the Nordic tribes will become extinct if we do not resist and seize political and military control of our countries. To illustrate the ongoing demographic annihilation of the Nordic peoples; in 1900 there were 50% Nordics in the US (blonde hair, blue eyes). But now, as a result of primarily non-European immigration, there was in 2008 ONLY 16%.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/07/anders-breivik-as-a-nordicist/

In the article it is mentioned by McDonald that Breveik

‘notes the paradox that Nordic media superstars who engage in race mixing would never have achieved fame and fortune without their Nordic looks’.

In Brazil the race-mixing capital of the world, what is still the most favored phenotype for females? The Nordic phenotype from the German-Brazilian top models.

In Russia where the average population is a melting pot of Troglodytians, Aryans, Asians, Mesopotamians and Orientalians we see that once again the favored phenotype chosen to be represented by their top models is the Nordic one.

Even in the woglands of south europe were the Nordic race went extinct long ago to leave place to the mongrel horde, we also see that they favor the physical characteristics of the Nordic/Germanic race as the female wogs alterate their looks to mimic the traits of the Nordic physical standards (see Elena Santarelli for example).

Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on July 28, 2011, 08:18 AM | #

Interview of Rachel Weisz (jewish actress) by Emma Forrest:

Why Hollywood jews prefer blondes.

EMMA: When we were at the drugstore you innocently opened up Talk Magazine and I heard a shriek of dismay.

RACHEL: Yeah, I literally saw not only the most disgusting, but the most ridiculous photograph I’ve ever seen of any woman.

EMMA: And who was it of?

RACHEL: It was me. [laughs] It was me photographed by David Bailey, who had some kind of concept that because it was for a Russian film, I would be wearing a Russian hat. But you can’t really see the hat, just fur everywhere. And my nose looks like it’s … just a really outsized nose, you know.

EMMA: But, you see, you’re holding back from saying what you said at the store, which was that you thought you looked too Jewish. Is it limiting as an actress to be perceived as being too ethnic in any way?

RACHEL: Well, I think you and I have always felt the same way — that we’re Jewish but we can get away with just being exotic. We’re kind of Jews in disguise. Those cultural stereotypes about the Jew with the big hooky nose and the fleshy face rub off on you. That’s terrible to admit, isn’t it.

EMMA: Well, it’s that Jackie Mason joke about how no Jewish woman wants to look Jewish: “‘You think I look maybe a little Italian, I look a little Russian, perhaps I can be Spanish?’ … ‘You look Jewish!’”

RACHEL: Hollywood’s run by Jews. I was advised by an American agent when I was about 19 to change my surname. And I said “Why? Jews run Hollywood.” He said “Exactly.” He had a theory that all the executives think acting’s a job for shiksas.

EMMA: Of all the self-loathing Jews in the world, the most self-loathing are the Hollywood Jews. They don’t want to see images of themselves on screen. That’s why Lauren Bacall had to hide her identity, and Winona Ryder changed her name from Horowitz.

RACHEL: In some way acting is prostitution, and Hollywood Jews don’t want their own women to participate. Also, there’s an element of Portnoy’s Complaint — they all fancy Aryan blondes.

Posted by anon on July 28, 2011, 08:55 AM | #

but Norway’s rulers, like ours, like everyone’s in the West, just don’t listen to their own people on the immigration issue.

Until, of course, they are compelled to do so by events.

Posted by Leon Haller on July 28, 2011, 09:03 AM | #

Leon,

Well done. Certainly the bleakest words on the matter I have ever read.

Yet in every one of the comments of this kind, after all the doom-saying, there comes an encouraging little coda that appeals to man’s optimism bias, usually with trigger words like survive and efforts, as above. I’ve observed, though, that the doom-saying part of these comments has gradually overgrown the optimistic disclaimer toward the end, likely reflecting your growing pessimism with regard to our fortunes as “a sprawling exogamous population”.

So are we finished or aren’t we? Don’t just get off on writing our obituary. This isn’t a mere exercise in literary pessimism. Actually decide if you believe we are finished, or simply enjoy sounding the death-knell while maintaining belief in recovery.

CULTIVATE THE HABIT OF DECISION. Then give us pics of your Asian girlfriend. (anon)

I’m chuckling (I hope I’m supposed to be!). (And apologies for misuse of the word “precipitately”; I meant “precipitously”, obviously.)

I’m a brute realist (except, people will say, in religious affairs - though I would emphatically disagree).

I’ve stated the above many times, here and everywhere. Why am I so big on white Zion / The Racial State? It is our only realistic hope. If we all migrate to a sovereign polity that is not too populous, we could take it over politically within a generation. There have never been so many race-conscious whites in my lifetime; revolutions in communications and transportation (hitherto the white man’s enemy) have made the world smaller than ever; and most of us have now concluded that separatism is better (even individually) than supremacism. So many whites get turned off from WN because of connotations of discrimination, oppression, etc. Separation is clean, ethical, and already informally practiced by many (most?) whites.

Anyway, what other option is there? I hate repeating myself, but again, most whites - purely out of self-interest, if not ethics - will not choose racial warfare over racial euthanasia. The only way a true rebellion will be ignited, as Breivik had wanted, is if there is desperation over basic survival on the part of large groups of whites - esp if part of the reason for such desperation is either nonwhite behavior, or white elite traitor favoritism to nonwhites under circumstances of general immiseration. If instead of euthanasia we get butchery in the streets, then maybe whites will fight. Otherwise, it is all “go gently into that goodnight”.

The psyche that leads one to WN is clearly rare among our people. And that makes all the difference.

PS - I don’t think my girl would like that at all. For someone in her twenties, and kind of a free spirit (studying art and design, with, naturally, this being Socal, acting classes thrown in, not that she’s remotely hot enough really to have a chance at anything), she is remarkably immune to a lot of this facebook/twitter crap her age cohort obsesses over. She likes privacy.

And she’s Eurasian, pal. I’m not into the pure yellow breed. Actually, she’s slightly more white than not. Her dad is as white as I am, but her mom looks Central Asian (I’ve never met them, but she keeps a framed picture of them in the house). She’s actually Japanese-American from way back, but one of her (the mother’s) grandfathers was also white. So my girl is 5/8 white (and that’s Nordic white, at least per 4/8).

Don’t worry, though. I doubt we will be miscgenating. I’m quite sure she’s using me for the rent-free pad in a decent area, and I think I’d prefer a WN (or at least more intellectual) wife anyway. But if we did mate, how would my kids rate on the race scale? I suppose 3/16 North Asian still violates the ‘one-drop’ rule ... not sure, though ...

Posted by PM on July 28, 2011, 09:14 AM | #

I think an interesting area of comparison with terrorist attacks is with rioting, which I think I have somewhere, maybe here, described as wog-terrorism. Rioting is a genuine explosion of anger from a group of people who have a clear sense of shared identity and a sense of grievance and oppression. If whites in Oslo or Europe are as oppressed as Breivik has claimed, why aren’t the whites in Oslo and elsewhere rioting? Isn’t the rape of white women, the muggings, the mosques enough? If people here are prepared to countenance a terrorist act, why aren’t they out there trying to whip up a riot—something which doens’t have to kill a single person, and would only get them a few months in prison at worst? Indeed, why didn’t Breivik try and start a riot?

The absurdity of the idea highlights the problem. The answer has to be that there is no sense of group identity amongst whites, and therefore no sense of oppression. And if people are not angry enough to riot, what chance is there of them being angry enough to support shooting teenagers?

Rioting works. Think of a shocked and appalled Heseltine in the 80’s visiting Brixton and saying that such behaviour is not acceptable, and not the way to protest—a watered down version of the kind of things politicians say when there is a terrorist attack. Yet in spite of his words, many people will instinctively feel that there MUST be a real grievance, or why would there be such an explosion of anger? The Brixton riot yielded the Scarman report, which concluded that blacks in Britain were indeed the victims of racial discrimination. So the riots did work in as much that they showed a sense of unity amongst blacks, and also showed that they had a perception if being oppressed. It matters not if they actually were oppressed. White people in Brixton would understand that there is no point trying to argue with a group of blacks standing outside your house with a petrol bomb. The fact that they feel that they are and are willing to riot is all that matters.

As with black rioting in America, racial or ethnic rioting sends out a strong message to other people living at local level. We are a group. If you piss us off, we have the capability to burn everything down. In effect, they own the area. How can you feel as if you belong in your town if you know that there is another group who view themselves as seperate, who at any moment for reasons you do not fully understand could burn down your house or smash all your windows? You are no longer in control. And if the mood spreads to other cities, you have widespread civil disorder. All this is a far more frightening prospect to a government than the very slim possibility that a lone, middle-class white nutter might be angry enough to spend ten years plotting to kill your kids.

The lack of this kind of low-level unrest shows that the groundswell of feeling simply isn’t there. The closest we have is the EDL, not quite genuine rioting, but at least a sign of something stirring. This may be the reason why Brevik was interested in the movement and wanted to see it replicated in Norway. But he chose to jump straight to the next stage, which only adds weight to the thought that this is because there was not the support there to do it. If so, the authorities will view him as a lone middle class obsessive, of no wider social significance, and all he has done is to underline the isolation and impotence of his own views within his society.

Of course Breivik must have been looking at the effect of Islamic terrorism in Europe—I’m sure there must be some quote about turning into the monster you are battling. He has observed some things correctly, but he also seems to have missed some important truths. The first question is, what is the nature of Islamic terrorism in Europe, is it a political act, or ethnic warfare?

In an earlier post I said some things about Islamic terrorism that was not, on reflection, wholly accurate. I said that people were not frightened of being blown up by Muslim bombs, and therefore it had little impact on their actual lives. This is true as far as it goes, but it ignores the fact that Islamic terrorism does strike people on a deeper, cultural level. Just as black/brown rioting makes whites at a local level feel that they are no longer in control at a street level, so an Islamic terrorist attack does the same thing at a national level. It is emasculating. There are people here living amongst us who can blow things up, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. If we do not have the power to prevent such attacks, in what sense are we really in control? Who does this country belong to? Such attacks are therefore analogous to Breivik’s cultural Marxism itself. Muslims may not have the power to mount an actual revolution, nor did they seriously believe they could have changed government policy in Iraq and Afghanistan. But there is a slow, corrosive, ennervating effect on the natives. It is in it’s own brutal way ‘deconstructing’ our sense of ourselves and our relation to our homeland. They are here. You can’t stop this. They could keep doing this forever if they so desired. Islamic terrorism comes disguised as political terrorism—indeed the government, the media and the left willilngly collude in this idea, because it is more comforting to believe that it could all stop tomorrow if we just pulled out of that damned war/stopped supporting Israel/whatever they are demanding this week. But what if we pull out of the war and it doesn’t stop? On some level, I think the British people are aware of this, and this is why Islamic terrorism strikes at a deeper existential level, than say, the IRA. We all know the IRA would have stopped if the got Northern Ireland. No-one on the left or in the media seems to ask an obvious question here—if Muslims beef is with the government, why don’t they attack the government, like Breivik, instead of commuters? Even the IRA generally tried to pick political/economic targets, and tried to minimise civilian casualties by phoning warnings. This is not a question politicians would be too keen to answer. Maybe Breivik has at least given us a point of comparison and a way to ask this question.

Islamic terrorism is ethnic/religious terrorism masked by all parties for convenience as political (it will of course end with political gain, but I hope you can see my point). The Muslim attacks in Britain were preceded first by the Rushdie affair in the 80’s, when Britain’s Muslims first invaded the public consciousness, and then by the Bradford, Burnley and Oldham riots in the 90’s/early 2000’s.The fact that terrorism was foreshadowed by many years of low-level rioting and disorder helps compound the idea that these are not, as our media tells us, individual Muslims with no constituency of support. There must have been thousands of individual rioters in the mill towns of Northern England. Whose side are they on when the bombs go off? Muslims have gone about this in the correct order for maximum effect. It may be the case that this was not planned on their part, but this is itself is not a weakness, as it shows that they are an organic community, for whom demographic growth and an instinct for will-to-power both locally and then nationally will itself push them unknowingly in the right direction anyway, towards ever greater shows of strength.

When Islam is discussed in the media, or when an Islamic leader is interviewed, it is with a kind of hushed reverence and fear. These are the new people, the emerging power, the future. They cannot be ignored. So they have achieved a kind of soft power and cultural influence. I think Breivik wanted to achieve something similair, and this is why he posted off his manifesto before the attacks. But there is no point stoking an unlit fire. You cannot hope that Norwegians will pick up your manifesto, realise they are Norwegian, and then start dancing in the streets as they realise belatedly that they are on your side. His attacks were ethnic in a vague sense, as they identified the main source of the ethnic destruction of Norwegians. He wanted the words of a Norwegian nationalist to carry the same weight and implicit threat as those of an Imam on TV. But is is not difficult to see why this will fail. Ordinary Muslims—and ordinary Britons—realise an attack on the underground is an attack on them, not the goverment. But ordinary Norwegians, who do not have a sense of ethnic identity and have no idea what a ‘race traitor’ is, will only see the attack on young Norwegians as also being an attack on them too. They do not draw the same distinction between their people and their governments that we do, and that Brevik does. Breivik tried to put the cart before the horse, he tried to jump to stage two before going through stage one—actually creating a sense of group identity amongst whites. Indeed, by focussing on Islam he himself rules this out. Did he expect Norwegians to rally under the flag of ‘not being Muslims’? He himself rules out the very ethnic component necessary to create such as sense of identity, furthermore he has demonstrated to the elites that the people still regard their leaders and the people as a single entity, and has only highlighted the fact that individual right-wingers are isolated and unable to draw on a wider support base.

Sorry that was so long. It wasn’t meant to be my own manifesto.

Posted by anon on July 28, 2011, 10:22 AM | #

Leon,

Thanks for the haller. I regret to inform you that despite noticing your mistake with precipitately, in the very next utterance you call yourself a stupid realist (brutal, not

brute

Anyhow, you completely missed my point. I am asking what you really believe: That we are really doomed or that this Racial State is possible and we shall be redeemed? Your commentary is increasingly grim, yet you are as lief to come back with big, happy ideas that completely contradict the tenor of the foregoing. Which is it, buddy — oblivion or salvation? I don’t care about your Christianity or what you’re a fan of. Do you feel more full of hope or more full of despair? what does your reason say in its coolest moments? is the Racial State possible, or is it not?

I suppose I am asking you to transcend, for a moment, the exhortative mode, and consider the matter apart from your preferences. There’s a conflict of modes (hope / despair) in your posts that I find aggravating. One minute you’re scribbling some dismal stuff on our collective tombstone, which is all right by me, but the next you’re preaching reinvigorated Christianity and White Zion like they’re just around the corner.

Now, I fully agree that “we” ought to gather in some congenial polity and live as a sort of “intentional community” as do so many others subgroups of variant intentionality. But the point again is to know at last what you believe or assert is most likely for us — desperate affirmation of ethnic interests or continued passivity?

Those are the options. More of the same and worse, or some scenario of confrontation and renewed sensibility. Do you believe more in your doomsday scenario or your White Zion scenario?

And she’s Eurasian, pal. I’m not into the pure yellow breed. Actually, she’s slightly more white than not. Her dad is as white as I am, but her mom looks Central Asian (I’ve never met them, but she keeps a framed picture of them in the house). She’s actually Japanese-American from way back, but one of her (the mother’s) grandfathers was also white. So my girl is 5/8 white (and that’s Nordic white, at least per 4/8).

Hey, sounds like a fine slice of kwip. No need for the maths bro, I love that type, but especially real Central Asian broads.

Posted by Foundation on July 28, 2011, 10:27 AM | #

‘There are periods at which the history of its wars is the true history of the people, for they are the discipline of the national experience,’ - William Stubbs 1825-1901, English historian and Bishop of Oxford.

Posted by Brandon on July 28, 2011, 10:56 AM | #

What guest lurker said…

Posted by Bill on July 28, 2011, 03:10 PM | #

Good comment PM @ July 28, 2011, 01:14 PM

Trying to shed some light on the question that has haunted this site ever since I’ve been involved here.

If whites in Oslo or Europe are as oppressed as Breivik has claimed, why aren’t the whites in Oslo and elsewhere rioting?

Exactly! Why aren’t whites resisting the Anglo/American elite’s programme of consigning their own white race to extinction in preparation for global government?

I’m not privy in knowing how oppressed the Norwegians are by multiculturalism but I guess it’s pretty much the same as in Britain and other parts of Europe.

Personally I don’t have to look very far for the answer to that question, as it is a question I frequently ask myself.

Why am I not (at least) protesting in my local shopping centre with a sandwich board hanging around my neck? No more immigration!

I shrink from answering that question because I might deny the reply I get.

The architects of this fiendish programme certainly knew what they were doing, how did they know with such certainty it would work? Where did they learn such tactics? It has all the hallmarks of a laboratory experiment, do we eat our young in the end game?

Perhaps you’re right when you say there is no conscious white group identity, not surprising really if we have lived within wholly white societies for thousands of years we have known no different, so how could we have developed an immune system to the other when there was no other? (I’ll leave that one for the experts)

What has modern consumer liberalism contributed toward this lack of group identity? Atomised individuals hell bent on the next ‘fix’. The pursuit of pleasure is the only game in town, there is nothing more, nothing to fight for, least of all your race.

What has liberalism’s tenets of tolerance, no discrimination and anti racism et al contributed? The whole white value system stood on it head in one generation. Is it any surprise whites are concussed.

Liberalism’s endgame, by design or unintended consequences - is a world without humans.

An obvious question is, what of our leaders, who, not only disown but are openly hostile to their tribe members. Has this ever before been done in history?

How valid is the question most people ask themselves. The forces arraigned against us are formidable. What’s the use, what can I do?

How about the old chestnut, we’re too comfortable, it’s got to get a lot worse yet.

Then there’s the media and its brainwashing. Opinion making, nanny knows what’s best combined with endless pap 24/7. The economic expert, the home affairs expert, our legal correspondent, our political correspondent, the roll call goes on as does the endless procession of non-white faces subliminally signalling what lies ahead.

Could we be heading for an IRA situation where a hard core resistance group is tolerated or even silently cheered on by an overwhelming benign (hapless) majority?

How does Christianity impact on all of this? Turn the other cheek, do unto others etc, love thy neighbour. This seems to be the present Norwegian reaction, there’s only one race, the human race.

The question as to why have whites allowed their territory, their culture, their right to exist and the right of their children’s’ children to exist, to be forcibly taken away by an alien elite, facilitated by their own traitorous tribal leaders, with no resistance, is a question that will vex the minds of historians for years to come.

Yet on the other hand, it’s yet bareley ‘game on’, and we ain’t seen nutt’n yet.

Posted by Wandrin on July 28, 2011, 05:12 PM | #

And if people are not angry enough to riot, what chance is there of them being angry enough to support shooting teenagers?

Events happen. You can *actively* use them to your advanatge or not. You are correct that passively expecting citizens to draw any useful conclusions while the media is *actively* trying to create the most unhelpful conclusions is maybe naive.

In this case you can tell almost any mainstream person that Breivik saw this attack as an eye for an eye. (Use some example like the muslim rapes in Oslo.) They’ll get angry because normal people think targeting kids is unacceptable for any reason. You agree with them, either because you do agree or for tactical reasons. You keep agreeing with them as much as is neccessary to calm them down. Then you’re done. They’re left with the thought this was an eye for eye but taken too far i.e. that through their immigration and multicult policies the political elite are guilty of murdering the children of their citizens.

It may be the case that this was not planned on their part, but this is itself is not a weakness, as it shows that they are an organic community, for whom demographic growth and an instinct for will-to-power both locally and then nationally will itself push them unknowingly in the right direction anyway, towards ever greater shows of strength.

Yep. It’s their form of bio-political warfare like violent crime is for black people and creating and spreading self-harming idealogies among the host population is for jews.

Posted by Wandrin on July 28, 2011, 05:24 PM | #

What has liberalism’s tenets of tolerance, no discrimination and anti racism et al contributed?

Left-liberalism is
- intolerant of white people
- discriminates against white people
- is racist towards white people

It’s not liberalism. It’s a con-trick.

The point here is not to defend liberalism but to not accept left-liberalism as anything other than a con-trick. If you do this then all the obvious double standards that can be used in arguments jump out more clearly.

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 28, 2011, 05:49 PM | #

So by implication right-facing liberalism is good? So you love Hayek, Rand, Nozick et al. - let the ‘market’ determine all value and meaning in life, the ‘no such thing as society’ attitude with political citizens reduced to only being mindless, atomistic, bovine consumers? Liberalism is the problem both in its left-facing and right-facing orientations.

How fucking difficult is that for people to understand??? I know Americans seem to think that Republicans are somehow not liberals, but they damn well are. Modern Western elites are axiomatically and foundationally liberal.

Posted by anon on July 28, 2011, 06:16 PM | #

They’re relentless… it’s a matter of time before a critical mass awakens and expels them; they just hope to acquire complete control before this happens, which hasn’t happened so far,

Ummm. Think again.

Posted by Wandrin on July 28, 2011, 08:22 PM | #

So by implication right-facing liberalism is good?

No. I think people who dislike liberalism as an idealogy take the left-liberal version at face value which partially disguises the fact that it is a blatant con-trick. The originators of left-liberalism are not liberals in the remotest sense. They are disguised tribal nationalists. They don’t believe what they say.

There were and are actual liberals but most of the non-tribals who call themselves that have adopted left-liberalism as liberalism when it blatantly isn’t.

It’s not a big thing. I just find it helpful to look at it that way as you can sit back, relax and poke holes in their double standards easier.

Posted by Wandrin on July 28, 2011, 08:25 PM | #

graham_lister

Also, left-liberal is one of the phrases i use for cultural marxism among people whose brains would melt if i used cultural marxism. That may have confused the issue.

Posted by Wandrin on July 28, 2011, 08:40 PM | #

Liberalism is the problem both in its left-facing and right-facing orientations. How fucking difficult is that for people to understand???

I don’t think this is true or rather i think it is but it’s not the root and can’t be fixed.

Populations who are very inbred don’t need an idealogical basis for unity. Their blood-ties are strong enough.

Blood-ties that are strong enough to create group cohesion without any additional idealogical reinforcement can *only* exist at a small scale i.e. regional not national.

The more outbred a population is the more easy it is for them to organise at a national level however that ability *requires* strong idealogical reinforcement for the weaker blood ties.

I think “liberalism” as people use the word in nationalist circles is actually a confusion of two things:
1) It is a mechanism for creating group unity by common agreement on the foundational principles of the group.
2) It is the specific version of the mechanism we have in place now.

I agree the specific versions we have now (whether left or right versions) are no good. They need a scientifical racial element, (which would point to homogenous but exogamous ethno-states imo), but the mechanism is inside everyone who is outbred enough.

Which is most white people.

Posted by anon on July 28, 2011, 11:17 PM | #

Hell yea boys.

A tuneful English homage to Breivik a decade before his Awesome Batman Superhero Archeofuturistik Xtian Revolution (and Norman Lowell changed the world with his book):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esbPrtDj4Os&feature=related

Another day, another knife in the back
It’s happened so many times, you stop tryin to keep track
You start stickin’ it in, you start stickin’ it in
Take it up to the hilt to cover up your own fuckin’ guilt
And when the shit goes down you’re out of places to hide
It’s time to ask if you’re the motherfucker who really survived
Get a load of this fuck, you’re the dead guy

There’s only one thing in life you never fuckin possessed
You lost control of my life, you want control of the rest
You’re always stickin’ it in, you’re always stickin’ it in
You stuck it so many times, you left a trail we could find
And when the shit comes down you’re out of places to hide
You’ve got to ask if you’re alive or just forgot that you died
So just remember this much, I’m the dead guy

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 29, 2011, 12:04 AM | #

Come and listen to a story ‘bout a man named Seb
Just like Breivik, he was loath to blame the Hebe

He started up a blog with an anvil and a hammer
This is what he used to publish all his blammer

No one really knew, or cared what this meant
but he never let this curb all the time he spent

He rambled on and on about the oil in the ground
and what the future held if we all just stood around

He claimed that we should be ethno-nationalist
but all this really did was to get the Nazis pissed

A fight broke out and it smoldered night and day
‘til on 7-22, when Breivik bombed Norway.

The blast seemed to put us on the same page
and Seba blogged that Breivik marked a new age.

Posted by anon on July 29, 2011, 12:23 AM | #

That’s SO armchair of you, Jimmy.

Posted by anon on July 29, 2011, 12:25 AM | #

You’re all COWARDS for not writing epic blogs about Androgyn Bivouak.

COWARDS!!!

Posted by Julian Lee on July 29, 2011, 03:45 AM | #

Yes, the outstanding fact about this event is that it’s going to inspire resistance. Resistance in various and sundry ways, with varied scenarios, ranging from non-violent and violent. His act will do that irrespective of any any hidden mysteries about him, and whether those mysteries come out or remain disclosed. What the masses of Whites will see here, now and later, is a lone White man making a firm stand for the survival of his people and nation without fear.

The elites know this. They know this is the danger and the power of this event. Thus they will spin it in whatever way will neutralize it’s mythological power in the minds of other White men. Their best strategy may be to simply downplay it and help the masses for get it. That seems, based on reports I’ve heard, what the MSM may be doing already.

Posted by ic1male on July 29, 2011, 07:03 AM | #

Off topic

More lies from the British Resistance site who are trying to damage the BNP.

http://birminghamnationalist2.blogspot.com/2011/07/question-how-much-of-3-text-donation.html

Posted by Sebastian Ernst Ronin on July 29, 2011, 07:23 AM | #

Jimmy and I are doing the oddest of dances. It seems to be working.

Posted by Bill on July 29, 2011, 10:56 AM | #

From World Socialist Website

The political establishment and the Oslo massacre. 27 July 2011

The establishment political parties and media have been busy covering their tracks following the massacre in Oslo last Friday.

While it is still not clear whether the 32-year-old killer Anders Behring Breivik acted alone, one thing is certain: there is a definite link between the campaign of incitement against Muslims, which has been supported by all of the parties of the US and European bourgeois establishment and by the media, and the political motives of the fascist who murdered 76 people….

....Despite—or, more accurately, because of—Breivik’s explicitly fascist agenda and his known ultra-right associations, the media is at great pains to obscure the political issues raised by his atrocity and portray him as nothing more than a lone psychopath….

....In Norway, the anti-Islamist Progress Party, of which Breivik was a member for almost ten years, has been integrated into the political establishment and emerged as the country’s second party….

....The German journalist Henryk M. Broder, who is quoted in the Breivik manifesto denouncing the submission of Europe to Islam, denies any connection between his own anti-Muslim tirades and the Oslo massacre. In the mainstream German newspaper Die Welt, he accuses his opponents of trying “to gain a moral advantage by imputing responsibility for the mass murder to those who criticise Islam.” Amongst these “critics of Islam” Broder includes himself along with Sarrazin and the Dutch right-wing populist Geert Wilders….

....A short time later Broder published on his blog “The Axis of Good” long excerpts from Breivik’s manifesto in which he is quoted. The quotes are originally from another blogger, Fjordman, who features on web sites such as the ultra-right Brussels Journal, Gates of Vienna and islam-watch. Fjordman was the main source used by Breivik to draw up his manifesto….

Read full article….

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/pers-j27.shtml

Posted by Foundation on July 29, 2011, 12:51 PM | #

Bill @ 02:56 PM

‘From World Socialist Website ...’

What is it with socialists and Islam? Some sort of synergy going on there, some dish I can’t describe. Granted they are both meaty on the totalitiarian, but only one had a side helping of nihilism. Sorry about the metaphor but I left school and went to work age 15 so to me socialism and Muhammadanism are just abstracts with no real meaning. Hence I look at things, be they concepts or theories, then translate it into something I can undertand; that exists in the real world. Nationalists need and deserve good translaters. Just a thought GW.

(I am not a cook BTW, an ex-soldier and engineer)

Posted by Bubba on July 29, 2011, 01:13 PM | #

The past century is filled with examples of jews and their gentile sycophants in the upper classes “going after” gentile children, teens, and women - employing socioeconomic and legal force, physical and sexual assault, and even murder in times of “peace,” and with the violence of warfare when it was deemed necessary to achieve Marxist objectives.

This does not include, of course, the Third World savages brought to our countries for economic reasons as slaves, cheap “free labor,” or “asylum seekers,” who were eventually integrated with and politically elevated above underclass whites, and whose physical violence against our children and women has been completely orchestrated by those very same jews and sycophantic upper class gentiles.

ABB is an anarchist. Anarchy always precedes the revolutionary period.

How should we respond to the hypocrites condemning ABB’s killing of 73 leftist teens on an exclusive island for privileged gentile lefties in Norway?

I shall quote the Negro journalist Leonard Pitts and his attitude toward whites outraged by the murders of college students Channon Christian and Chris Newsom:

“Cry me a river.”

Posted by Guest Lurker on July 29, 2011, 02:39 PM | #

Foundation wrote:

What is it with socialists and Islam?

Interesting observation. I noticed the writer’s last name was Schwarz. A jew perhaps? This constant anti-Christian streak seems to run through modern leftists and was especially pronounced with the jews of the Frankfurt School. Actually, the first 30 pages of Breivik’s manifesto gives a concise outline of their attitudes. No matter whether post Vatican II Catholicism or the judaized Protestant sects, Christianity can still do no right in the eyes of leftists. I’ve long been on the fence in hearing arguments between those who argue Christianity has been the weakness which has allowed the jews to attain primacy in the West, and those who have argued that it is their greatest threat. However, when I see over and over again jews and jew-inspired leftists relentlessly attacking Christian, Patriarchal, Heterosexual, White Males, while giving a pass to the far more autocratic muslims, I ask myself, what’s up? Though I’m not a believer, a part of me is starting to think it might be worth at least overtly embracing a militant Christianity as a sign of resistance and a middle finger to the ruling elites. Eastern Orthodoxy, Western Rite Orthodoxy, and Tridentine Traditionalist Catholics seem to be the least philo-semitic sects.

Posted by Wandrin on July 29, 2011, 03:21 PM | #

What is it with socialists and Islam?

You can answer your own question when you realise before 9/11 blacks were treated like this but since then it gradually switched to muslims. The multicult idealogy says blah blah and the only obstacle to a multicult paradise on earth is racist white people. Any evidence to the contrary has to be suppressed. Before 9/11 black violent crime was the biggest piece of contrary evidence and the gargoyles on the roof would screech the loudest over that. Now muslims have taken over as the most visibly obvious flaw in multicult idealogy they have switched to screeching loudest over muslims.

There may be other reasons also but that’s one. They’re consistent in trying to suppress the most obvious examples of social breakdown caused by the multicult and as the most obvious examples change over time their screeching changes accordingly.

Posted by Bubba on July 29, 2011, 03:56 PM | #

The jewish-gentile elite has made ABB’s pro-Zionism a non-issue. This is to be expected. Bolshevism and Zionism are merely tactical tools of jewry and as such lend themselves to plausible deniability whenever questions of jewish culpability arise. Multiracializing the West for the purpose of maintaining and furthering the goals of the jewish-gentile alliance is and remains the primary objective.

It matters not if business controls the state or vice versa. Multiracialism, achieved through the importation of non-White slaves, “free” labor, or “asylum seekers,” has been and will continue to be an effective weapon in the elite’ war against the white underclass. Right supremacist or left egalitarian, particularistic or universalistic - multiracialism is used to restrict or deny whites low on the food chain economic, social, and political status. This is necessary to prevent them from ever achieving control over their lives and nations.

White supremacists valuing the lives of upper class multiracialists training on an exclusive island in Norway because “they are white, too!” are doing exactly what is expected of them. For supremacists, better life in an egalitarian multiracial society where unearned dividends may continue to be enjoyed than the possibility of a reversal that might accompany the achievement of genuine white independence.

White separatists valuing the lives of our future enemies are either traitors to the cause of separatism and white survival or foolish, unconscious tools of the elite.

Posted by Sam Davidson on July 30, 2011, 11:04 AM | #

What is it with socialists and Islam? Some sort of synergy going on there, some dish I can’t describe. Granted they are both meaty on the totalitiarian, but only one had a side helping of nihilism. Sorry about the metaphor but I left school and went to work age 15 so to me socialism and Muhammadanism are just abstracts with no real meaning. Hence I look at things, be they concepts or theories, then translate it into something I can undertand; that exists in the real world. Nationalists need and deserve good translaters.

You’re right. And there is a pattern to it. In the United States these socialists support massive immigration despite its negative effects on the American working man. Why? It doesn’t make sense from the perspective of organized labor, but then you must realize that the Marxists do not represent organized labor and never have. At best they are hijackers of organized labor to confuse the masses and promote their own Jewish program.

Now pay attention:

I noticed the writer’s last name was Schwarz. A jew perhaps?

Bingo. Marxist groups have always been dominated by Jews. This same group of people who are supposedly “threatened” by Muslims are doing their best to import them into the West.

In 2009 the Swiss passed a referendum to ban the construction of new minarets (built by Muslims.) The European Jewish community, of course, supported the Muslims:

“European rabbis condemn Swiss minaret ban”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3814454,00.html

The upshot is that the Jews are using Muslims in Europe as a battering ram against white society. It’s the same trick they pulled in the United States and South Africa using blacks. The more non-whites they import and organize against us, the weaker our internal composition becomes.

The battle line being drawn in the West today is not one of abstractions or political creeds but of race alone.

Posted by Trainspotter on July 30, 2011, 09:41 PM | #

“White separatists valuing the lives of our future enemies are either traitors to the cause of separatism and white survival or foolish, unconscious tools of the elite.”

This is misleading. I don’t get the impression that all that many white separatists particularly value the lives of our future enemies, at least not in the way that you suggest. I myself don’t particularly mourn them, partly bolstered by the certainty that if a group of white nationalists were similarly slaughtered, Labour wouldn’t shed so much as a crocodile tear for us. Yet I don’t gloat over their deaths, and yes there is a definite sadness at the entire situation. It is a tragedy on many levels.

There may be a recognition that some young leftists will evolve and mature, and ultimately grow out of and renounce their anti-white indoctrination. I don’t doubt that some would have turned out to be decent people. Probably not all that many, but more than a few.

There is still further recognition that teenagers are not yet in positions of power (though no doubt many of those kids had every intention of pursuing power as soon as possible), and therefore are not yet culpable in the same sense as an adult leftist.

But really, that’s all quibbling or simply personal. The real issue is a strategic one. There has been a rising wave of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe. There is real anger directed at real people and institutions, including political parties like Labour. But….summer youth camps don’t make that list, whether affiliated with Labour or not. Healthy brains understand this, kooks do not.

So, rather than target the anti-white establishment in a way that people could identify with, and while they still might condemn the violence (most people always do) there would also be an element of “...but those guys had it coming,” instead Breivik managed to strike the enemy in a way that arouses the most sympathy for said enemy, this in an environment that suffers no shortage of culpable targets.

This was totally unnecessary, whether one advocates violence or not. He managed to hit an increasingly unpopular elite in one of the few ways that will actually garner support for it, while discrediting resistance against that elite. From a purely strategic point of view, it was awful. It was also immoral and evil, but I’m putting that aside for now.

While not advocating anything, had his targeting been different, he could have achieved the same upside (imposing costs on the elites, for starters) without nearly so much downside (making martyrs of “innocent,” photogenic teenagers with smiling faces, and hanging the child killer albatross on the coming resistance movement,etc.). He has done more damage to our cause than the few score of lefty norwegians and wogs that he killed would have ever done. Plenty more where they came from.

Anyone who doesn’t understand this is simply tone deaf to reality and how normal, non-kooks actually think. Such people can only harm us in the psychological war that must be waged. Again, this is true whether one advocates violence or condemns it.

Maybe the next guy should target a little old lady crossing the street with the assistance of an Eagle Scout. That’ll get the revolution going. Well, actually it won’t. But it will garner support from a fair number of trolls and kooks on internet message boards. That’s what matters, right?

Posted by ::X:: Citizen ::X:: on July 31, 2011, 12:51 AM | #

“It was also immoral and evil, but I’m putting that aside for now”

Have you read Slavoj Zizek? Yes, I know, he’s Marxist, but the one who condemns todays liberal multicultural comunists too. His philosophy is more sophisticated, but in a way similar to Brevik’s logic. In his book “Violence”, he writes that we tend to fixate on subjective violence: acts of assault, murder, terror and war, while there exists more cruel systemic violence, that of our economic and political systems in our lives, a violence where we are perpetrators and not just innocent bystanders. He ends that book with sentence “sometimes the most cruel thing is to do nothing”.

“Systemic violence is thus something like the notorious ‘dark matter’ of physics,” Zizek writes: invisible to the naked eye. Zizek offers a rather cool and at times cruel analysis of the varieties of objective violence. He asks tolerant multicultural Western liberals to suspend our outraged responses to acts of violence and turn instead to the real substance of the global situation.”

But of course, majority of people dont see it that way, so lets ask ourselves if

“From a purely strategic point of view, it was awful.”?

We still need to think of it. Breivik was not that stupid. He advocates not targeting muslims directly, because that would garner sympathy for them. He knew that the deaths of those teenagers would have the same effect, predicting that he would be called a monster. So why? I think this his act was intended not for the moderate masses, sceptical of multiculturism, but for few radical individuals, who not only understand the hidden systemic violence and subjectivity of innocence, but who also will be impressed by his success at terror, and will start planing attacks for the future as carefully as he did. MThe moderate masses will join the resistance anyway, when the situation with immigrants and economy worsens. Maybe it’s not his job to convince the masses, his job is to start the process going and encourage the few ones.
We must remember that most of us judge the event from viewpoint of today, that of relative economic prosperity and ther assumption that this is a solitary event. Breivik acted according to his logic of future war, where rivers of blood run.

Posted by Bob on July 31, 2011, 03:47 AM | #

“We must fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists”

-Norway terrorist Anders Breivik quoted in the Jerusalem Post.

Breivik also said cultural Conservatives should adopt his “anti-racist, pro-homosexual, pro-Israeli line of thought”.

Arch Zionist Debbie Schlussel says that the massacre in Norway is pay back time ‘Karma’, for Norwegian Youth’s BOYCOTT ISRAEL CAMPAIGN!

ZIONISTS ARE THE ENEMY OF EUROPE!

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 31, 2011, 07:03 AM | #

That’s SO armchair of you, Jimmy.

Thank you, Anon.

Though I sit and type in an armchair
and intend no other harm there
if meaning abide
well it doth hide
and whence I could not darn swear.

Posted by Søren Renner on July 31, 2011, 08:57 AM | #

child killer albatross

He stoppeth one of three.

Posted by svensson on July 31, 2011, 11:21 AM | #

“WE™ are left with an event that is now part of the political and historical fabric and discourse.”

That could be true. One is almost tempted to say: “Si monumentum requiris, circumspice.” The ABB deed is of an almost metaphysical nature, like 9/11 altering everyone’s frame of mind and sentiment.

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 31, 2011, 04:29 PM | #

Zizek’s book on violence is rather good (for him).

Posted by Trainspotter on July 31, 2011, 05:40 PM | #

“I think this his act was intended not for the moderate masses, sceptical of multiculturism, but for few radical individuals, who not only understand the hidden systemic violence and subjectivity of innocence, but who also will be impressed by his success at terror, and will start planing attacks for the future as carefully as he did.”

That’s entirely possible, but the point still stands. He could have accomplished that goal every bit as well by targeting adults, not children. He could have still achieved any possible upside, with far less downside.

It should also be clear that if ALL you are appealing to is the lunatic fringe, then you will only solidify the entire white population against your cause. Why would we want a situation where the white population wants to grab any white nationalist that can be found and tear him from limb to limb? This is totally unnecessary and utterly counterproductive. An effective psychological campaign has to work at many levels, and its effects on a broad range of people must be considered. How does it affect our opponents, and the different gradations thereof (hardcore, nominal, weak, etc.)? How does it affect our base, again across the full range from hardcore, general sympathizers, etc.? What about fence sitters?

Seen in that light, Breivik’s choice of targeting can be understood as disastrous. While not advocating anything, and in fact condemning it, about the only thing he got right from a purely strategic point of view, putting aside questions of morality and so forth, was that he targeted elites (predominantly, anyway) instead of just machine gunning wogs at sub shops or killing mostly secretaries and workaday admin assistants who happen to draw a paycheck from some nondescript government office (a la McVeigh).

This targeting of the elites has thrilled certain people, but to me it’s as if they are excited by learning that 2+2=4. Um, didn’t they understand that much already? As for Breivik himself, I’m not suggesting that he is stupid. I don’t think that he is. But he is, at the least, a misguided kook.

“We must remember that most of us judge the event from viewpoint of today, that of relative economic prosperity and ther assumption that this is a solitary event. Breivik acted according to his logic of future war, where rivers of blood run.”

This is another mistake that he made - timing. In Europe, there has been considerable positive movement in recent years. That should have been allowed to progress naturally. When things are moving in your direction, you don’t throw a monkey wrench into the works. Breivik’s action, in addition to being kooky, strategically wrong, and in my personal view evil, was also premature. We had been building support year by year, particularly in Europe. Our ideas are spreading. Yes, at a certain point ideas aren’t enough and real world results must be achieved, but why throw a monkey wrench when you’re just starting to build real support? If the conflict must inevitably become violent anyway, why not let it reach its natural crescendo, when you will be stronger and your opponent will be weaker?

Having said all of that, there is one possible effect of this action that leaps out at me, though I haven’t heard others bring it up. It may turn out to be the most significant of all. I’ve mentioned it once before, I believe over at TOO. That is the possibility that Breivik’s action will not so much radicalize the pro-white movement, so much as radicalize the lunatic fringe of the anti-whites. In other words, our opponents who today love to hit the streets in masks and pelt the opposition with stones and human waste, may in fact become more willing to kill…us. Talk about nasty, evil people. This action may have given some of them the psychological justification/incentive to take mattters a step further.

If that happens, which is a distinct possibility, then it would be a real game changer with unpredictable consequences. Again, even with this possibility, Breivik’s action was at the very least premature. We were in the process of an upswing in support, and it would be far better for the rubber to hit the road when we are stronger, not weaker.

Posted by Trainspotter on July 31, 2011, 06:06 PM | #

Soren: “He stoppeth one of three.”

Point taken…I think. Things may not turn out all that badly, and there is room for minds to change. In fact, I mentioned as much in my first post on the subject, and I certainly hope that is the case. My critique of Breivik isn’t really about gloom and doom, but offered more in the spirit of avoiding completely unnecessary and tragic error.

Posted by Trainspotter on July 31, 2011, 06:15 PM | #

Sadly, as a product of the Kwa, I find myself quoting movies.

Zen master: “We’ll see.”

Posted by Houellebecq on July 31, 2011, 06:17 PM | #

OK let’s lighten the mood

You got the Dachau Blues?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m66ZRletEkw

Do you want a Jewish Princess?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKjvOTZXvoY

Or even laugh at the Khazar baby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zul1orL1nY

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 31, 2011, 08:58 PM | #

Saileth renneR beyond the Kwa?

Posted by Leon Haller on August 01, 2011, 06:00 AM | #

An unwanted observation for WNs:

This girl is 100% Jewish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0NvU7cphRs

At some point, one has to reevaluate matters in light of an objective assessment of the “correlation of forces (and adversaries)” ...

Posted by Leon Haller on August 01, 2011, 07:22 AM | #

Great comments from lots of people on all these various Breivik threads. Good work!

anon wrote:

Leon,

Thanks for the haller. I regret to inform you that despite noticing your mistake with precipitately, in the very next utterance you call yourself a stupid realist (brutal, not

brute

).
Anyhow, you completely missed my point. I am asking what you really believe: That we are really doomed or that this Racial State is possible and we shall be redeemed? Your commentary is increasingly grim, yet you are as lief to come back with big, happy ideas that completely contradict the tenor of the foregoing. Which is it, buddy — oblivion or salvation? I don’t care about your Christianity or what you’re a fan of. Do you feel more full of hope or more full of despair? what does your reason say in its coolest moments? is the Racial State possible, or is it not?

I suppose I am asking you to transcend, for a moment, the exhortative mode, and consider the matter apart from your preferences. There’s a conflict of modes (hope / despair) in your posts that I find aggravating. One minute you’re scribbling some dismal stuff on our collective tombstone, which is all right by me, but the next you’re preaching reinvigorated Christianity and White Zion like they’re just around the corner.

Now, I fully agree that “we” ought to gather in some congenial polity and live as a sort of “intentional community” as do so many others subgroups of variant intentionality. But the point again is to know at last what you believe or assert is most likely for us — desperate affirmation of ethnic interests or continued passivity?

Those are the options. More of the same and worse, or some scenario of confrontation and renewed sensibility. Do you believe more in your doomsday scenario or your White Zion scenario?

————————————————————————

First, lots of great comments from you of late, Mr. Anon. I need to read some of them more carefully.

Second, on the grammar issue, speaking of being a “brute realist” is perfectly standard and appropriate. The phrase is neither nonsensical, nor uncommon.

Third,, you are asking a very difficult question of me, though your observation of my shifting tones is probably correct. Haven’t I stated the real issue many times (appropriating Wilmot Robertson’s metaphor): “ripening harvest / encroaching jungle”?

I’m a great believer in ultimate physical reality (which in human affairs means brute force - the ability to impose one’s will on others: power). Ideologies are fine, but raw power finally is determinative.

The West still has tremendous power (though it’s dwindling, both absolutely and relatively). Which WN was it in the past few years (Scrooby? Grimoire? some recognizable European?) who said that if 10% of whites were WN we’d be unstoppable? Certainly, we have the physical power to survive as a race and whatever kind of (technological) civilization we wish to be.

But we are clearly headed towards extinction. Why? I have discussed this before, here at MR and elsewhere. We are dying due to a confluence of physical, political, economic, sociological, and above all philosophical/ideological trends. At base, at the very time in history when the white race most needs - for physical (power) reasons - to live by the Racial Principle (ie, that races differ at the biological level, and thus are neither interchangeable nor even compatible within the same ecological niches (or ‘countries’)), we have thrown it (and ancient caution) to the wind. Year by year, our racial power (ie, ability to control our racial destiny) correspondingly weakens.

Our ideological insanity (a form of evolutionary maladaptiveness) is destroying our physical power. Past some (tipping) point of physical power diminution, our situation will be (physically) irreparable.

So, the harvest/jungle metaphor. We must awaken our people from their multiracialist slumbers while there remains time to resurrect our racial power.

Is this all clear?

I cannot really answer your question, because you are asking me to prognosticate in an area (human desires and intentions) for which extrapolations are ineluctably highly provisional. Of course, that’s why we have a chance.

Will our people awaken before our racial power is all used up, and unrecoverable? I honestly don’t know. I suppose it depends on how bad things get - and that is the Awful Paradox. For there to be true racial recovery, the raw quality of life for Western peoples might have to get very bad (eg, basic necessities of life might have to become scarce, or raw persecution of whites the order of the day). The problem (Paradox) is that as the effects of denying the Racial Principle ever-worsen Western quality of life, Western peoples will constantly ‘turn Right’ to mitigate those effects. As those effects get mitigated, the ‘meta-euthanasia’ of the West (rising immigration, greater integration, increased blood pollution (miscegenation)) is able to resume its ‘extinctionist’ course.

How optimistic you are wrt white preservation depends in part on your view of (or inversely correlates with) the competence and resilience and adaptability of The System. If they are incompetent and generate a macro-crisis which they cannot resolve, one which inflicts tremendous tribulations upon whites, then WN, responding to that which is physically real (and not merely ideational), could find a favorable political ‘space’ opening up quickly. If WNs are sufficiently organized, they could possibly find themselves in a position to achieve a shattering victory over our enemies.

But if you think The System in the West is basically competent and therefore stable, there would seem to be no hope for the white man to end or avoid the meta-euthanasia unless: 1) we can change the New Morality of (a majority of) the people back to the older version wrt race (hence my emphasis on ethics and renovated Christianity, which I find more likely to recrudesce than ancient indigenous paganisms, or hyper-modern fascisms), at least in Europe, which is still physically recoverable, or 2) we can establish an Aryan analogue to Israel (White Zion), a sovereign state for the preservation of our people.

White Zion is utterly, physically possible and even plausible, though “nothing is, but thinking makes it so”.

Will we do it? I’m inclined to think whites will never quite do enough actually to secure their future, though they will keep mitigating diversity’s negative consequences right up and into their collective grave. In a hundred years, whites across the planet will find themselves reduced to the sorry condition of the European Jews pre-emancipation, hemmed in and ‘ghettoized’ by racist strictures enacted by nonwhite electorates.

It is our duty and glory to prevent this. The key is changing the white man’s racial ethics (which may involve a great deal of philosophical reenvisioning).

Posted by Foundation on August 01, 2011, 11:18 AM | #

It will never be too late, Leon. My involvement is barely 2 years in and racial awareness amongst my kinfolk, the Englisc, has grown ten-fold in that time. I was out walking the dog the other day and came across six youngsters in the park, three boys and three girls, who’d camped out the previous night and were packing to leave. All were in their last year at Grammer School so they were above average intelligence. To cut a long story I engaged them in conversation then steered it towards nationhood and identity. What surprised me was they understood first that Whites were a [global] minority and second that they were part of that minority. In my experience that level of self-awareness in teenagers is rare these days. When I asked what they were going to do about it the girls said “have lots of babies” and the boys said “fight”, at which point I fell over, onto the dog.

The Beginnings

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.

Rudyard Kipling

Posted by Bubba on August 02, 2011, 08:46 PM | #

“White separatists valuing the lives of our future enemies are either traitors to the cause of separatism and white survival or foolish, unconscious tools of the elite.”

This is misleading. - Trainspotter

Misleading is your equivocating response:

Yet I don’t gloat over their deaths, and yes there is a definite sadness at the entire situation.

Show me the gloat, my emoting Trainspotter. There is none.

Yet you feel sadness over the death of past, present, and future enemies. Why?

But….summer youth camps don’t make that list, whether affiliated with Labour or not. Healthy brains understand this, kooks do not.

…instead Breivik managed to strike the enemy in a way that arouses the most sympathy for said enemy, this in an environment that suffers no shortage of culpable targets.

This was totally unnecessary, whether one advocates violence or not.

Your “sadness” is tactical. Most would call you a hypocrite.

It was also immoral and evil, but I’m putting that aside for now.

Covering all bases, I see. Why was it immoral and evil, my Trainspotting hypocrite?

The death of privileged leftist youth, many of legal age, offspring of those responsible for the legal/social/economic persecution and physical rape/assault/death of defenseless underclass White children and their powerless parents, saddens only traitors or unconscious tools of the elite.

Posted by Bubba on August 02, 2011, 09:03 PM | #

It was also immoral and evil, but I’m putting that aside for now. - Trainspotter

Norway’s masses of comfortable white asses, now providing a “tailwind” of support to the Labor Party in Norway, want to know why Trainspotter places Breivik’s “immoral and evil” actions secondary to the tactical considerations of politics.

Posted by Dasein on August 03, 2011, 04:50 AM | #

How does the jewish left treat its ideological enemies when they are massacred? They demonise, ridicule, and mock them (think Waco and Ruby Ridge). Randy Weaver’s wife was shot through the face by a government sniper while holding her baby, and his son was shot in the back while running away from federal agents. This is how the jewish left reacts.

Posted by John on August 03, 2011, 06:26 AM | #

A supposedly brilliant nationalist just hands his enemies a gigantic slam dunk PR victory, forever associating in average Svensson’s mind nationalism with child-killing lone nutters? There might be more to the story. Look for potential enemies/rivals/problem individuals of higher up TPTB among the victims.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 03, 2011, 07:33 AM | #

Bubba,

Would you slaughter the sons and daughters of the liberal elites yourself, if you could? If not, would that be because you would find it immoral, evil?

Posted by anon67 on August 03, 2011, 09:40 AM | #

If we could, the liberal genocidal elites themselves—definitely.

It’s understandable that some amongst us would find it a mistake to target the offspring of said liberal elites, for purely tactical/PR reasons.

But “immoral” and “evil’?

Nah.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 03, 2011, 09:57 AM | #

anon67,

You did not answer the question. Would you (not “some”) personally slaughter the sons and daughters of the liberal elites yourself? And if not, why not?

Posted by Dasein on August 03, 2011, 11:59 AM | #

Just a minor point. The premise is incorrect. Breivik’s intent, as far as I have read, was to punish the mulitcultural elites and kill the next generation. It was not about killing the children of the current elite (in fact, he claims to have spared those he considered too young), although that was probably the case in many of the killings (I remember reading that one was the son of a prominent politician).

Posted by Dasein on August 03, 2011, 12:13 PM | #

The position I’ve taken with friends and family when discussing the Norways killings is to say that what happened was terrible but inevitable. You cannot peacefully dispossess people, or expect that at least some people won’t react violently when they learn about horrific crimes committed against natives by immigrants (e.g. the 14-year-old girl in Oslo who committed suicide after being gang-raped by 4 Africans). Just yesterday in Berlin, a 53-year-old father was attacked by 4 wogs while defending his daughter from harassment at an underground station. He’s in the hospital now with brain and facial injuries. The long-term effects of the Norway killings are difficult to predict.

Posted by Guest Lurker on August 03, 2011, 04:39 PM | #

Guessedworker wrote:

You did not answer the question. Would you (not “some”) personally slaughter the sons and daughters of the liberal elites yourself? And if not, why not?

That’s quite an indelicate question to ask of someone on a board which is likely being monitored by governmental agencies, Guessedworker.

Posted by Armor on August 03, 2011, 06:27 PM | #

“The position I’ve taken with friends and family when discussing the Norways killings…”

To the non-leftist members of my family, I would say that I am of two minds about the Norways killings. On the one hand, I’d like to atomize the leftists who are destroying us. It’s a natural feeling. There is nothing pathological about that. On the other hand, it’s terrible to see the carnage, especially of very young people. But Breivik’s actions are nothing compared to what has been done to White people by the immigration lobby, and it is going to become much worse in the future.

Many leftists behave as if they were into a fanatical death-cult. They have zero reliance on logic, or else they would simply change their minds about the desirability of race-replacement.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 03, 2011, 07:34 PM | #

Guest Lurker,

Indeed. But it is THE question, isn’t it? There is an Islamic law whereby the family of a murdered person may pardon the killer or commute his death sentence. In tribal areas of some Arabic and North African socities I believe the family may even carry out the sentence.

I am always amazed at the bloodlust of otherwise perfectly ordinary European people who, at a distance, think this person or that group of persons should be deprived of life. Generally, I don’t believe they have really thought about what it is they are saying. It’s one thing if they themselves would be willing to carry out the sentence - that is, to act as family in the Islamic case. But if they are not willing to do the deed with their own hands, they have no business calling on someone else to do it.

So, yes, the question must be asked. I would not expect anyone to sincerely answer it in the positive.

Posted by Trainspotter on August 04, 2011, 09:25 PM | #

Bubba is representative of a certain type that comes out from under the rocks at times like this. Of course, naturally this raises some questions.

If violence of the kind Breivik committed is both good, effective, and timely, why isn’t Bubba doing this sort of thing himself? After all, according to him, apparently the time is now. It’s effective now. It’s good now.

It doesn’t require more than one man. It doesn’t require a cultural transformation. It doesn’t require a large organization. It doesn’t require electoral victory, or failing that, a broad revolutionary movement that completely displaces the current elites and replaces them with our own.

No, it requires just one man.

So, what’s holding Bubba back?

Is it rank cowardice, while calling others cowards? Is it rank dishonesty, while calling others dishonest? Is it gross hypocrisy, while calling others hypocrites?

Perhaps all of the above, but my take is a bit simpler: Bubba is either a garden variety crank with serious mental issues, or he is an agent provocateur. At the very least he is an all hat/no cattle troll.

Posted by Helvena on September 06, 2011, 03:50 PM | #

Guessworker, if it wouldn’t be too much to ask, would you translate this and post it please. I don’t read French or German but I’ve been told this is a very deconstruction of Faye.

http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/das-ende-guillaume-fayes.html

Cheers,
H.

Posted by Armor on September 06, 2011, 06:46 PM | #

“The New Jewish Question,” or The End of Guillaume Faye
by Jürgen Graf

http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vpfaye.html

Posted by Helvena on September 06, 2011, 07:12 PM | #

Thank you very much Armor

Posted by Leon Haller on September 06, 2011, 10:48 PM | #

Thanks, indeed, Armor. I need to read more about the Holocaust, even though I do agree with Faye that we need to be forward looking, and focus our energies on ending the invasion, and enhancing white consciousness and pride.

Posted by Norway v. Breivik :: Uncensored on December 10, 2011, 07:56 AM | #

what, exactly, the meaning of Breivik’s actions should have for European nationalists.

Hint!!

Telegraph: Norway attacks: Anders Behring Breivik demands to be examined by Japanese specialists

Mr Lippestad said, adding that although Breivik has agreed to be examined by local psychiatrists, he also wants to be investigated by Japanese specialists.

“He claims the Japanese understand the idea and values of honour and that a Japanese (specialist) would understand him a lot better than any European would.”

Norway v. Breivik :: Uncensored: Oslo District Court: Norway v. Breivik: Judge Nina Opsahl: Application for Writ of Habeus Mentem & Certiorari/Review

(C) in accordance to Radical Honoursty socio-political-legal cultural practices of honour; to support Mr. Breivik to be charged with treason and if found guilty, in a free and fair trial—of the same standard as provided to Nelson Mandela by the Apartheid South African Government—to be executed along with my client, by firing squad.

..

[3] the court is to take notice of Breivik’s intention to plead to the Political Necessity Defence to the relevant charges, in accordance to his motivations to disturb the liberty and security of the Storting (in defence of the multi-culti political elite’s disturbances of the Storting by means of massive illegal foreign immigration), and consequently requests to be charged in accordance to Article 85: Treason.

Posted by Anders Breitman on January 15, 2012, 03:42 PM | #

I’m surprised the findings of the brilliant Norwegian-Swedish researcher Simon Shack have not received more attention on this forum.

I highly recommend looking through the thoroughly researched material on this thread, at Cluesforum.info. If you have an open mind and you are willing to dedicate time studying it from start to finish, I think you will be convinced. I have strong reason to believe that Anders Behring Breivik’s attack in Oslo and Utoya last July was little more than a clever TV drama, a deception, organised by the US State Department and the Norwegian branch of the Royal Institute for International Affairs.

Nobody died. The victims are ‘vicsims;’ that is, computer generated images created from a desk somewhere in Virginia, Tel Aviv, London or Brussels, and distributed through Reuters and AP (owned from the same source), not to mention AFP (through their Israel-based or trained photographers) and co-operation from the BBC, CNN, Russia Today and others.

Yes, it sounds crazy…until you look into it more deeply. I urge everybody here to do that, starting with the Cluesforum.info thread posted above. Don’t be too quick to dismiss the idea. A lot of well-balanced, intelligent people have spent a LONG time on this, and in my opinion, their conclusions are sound.
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This leads me to the alleged shooting of the Indian student Anuj Bidve by Kieran ‘Psycho’ Stapleton in Salford, Greater Manchester, UK, on Boxing Day 2011. I’m not saying this incident definitely was faked, but it seems very suspicious, and I think the British establishment plan to spin the event as a botched anti-Muslim attack by a racist white lone gunman.

Please look at this thread, on Cluesforum.info, which puts forward the proposition that the murder of Anuj Bidve was also fake - another very clever media deception, or ‘psyop,’ by the British government. It looks at the characters involved (including Keith Vaz, the Labour MP) and possible motives. The thesis is that neither Bidve nor Stapleton are real, flesh and blood men (somehow the prosecution, the CPS, is charging a fictional legal identity, and only ‘accredited press’ are allowed into the courtroom - so far, however, Stapleton has only appeared via videolink).

I’d appreciate if posters here could examine the forum as a whole with an open-mind, as it also covers fake media coverage on the Libya invasion, the Middle East uprisings, rioting in Rome and London, the Madrid and London terror attacks, and much more. It’s not a standard conspiracy site. If only half of the material contained on the site is accurate, it should radically transform your understanding of how our governments operate. In my view it’s an absolutely indispensable resource to the European resistance because if we don’t understand how our enemy works, we are inadequately prepared to formulate an effective response.

Posted by jamesUK on January 15, 2012, 06:09 PM | #

@Anders Breitman

The simplest answer is always the best as there is less of an error for things going wrong.

Your no victims computer generated crap sounds like the alternative no planes 9/11 conspiracy theory to divert attention from the highjackers and there history.

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