Susie Green (VDARE) tells us why an Anglo-Saxon homeland or white nationalism is doomed. Is it?

Some comments on an essay by Susie Green at VDARE.com.

July 14, 2011


Jews, Leftists, Immigration: My Journey To Nietzsche By Susie Green	Commentary
I was born and raised in New York, among the first of the group now known as “baby boomers”, in a Jewish/Irish neighborhood in the north Bronx. I was fatherless in infancy and my quasi-Communist mother raised me to love what are euphemistically called “progressive” causes. In her heart of hearts, though, she still preferred Lenin and loved Castro (being particularly impressed by Cuba’s health care and educational systems). With all of her leftist views, however, she was still very much a cultural Jew, convinced that anti-Semitism lurked behind every corner. In fact, she was quite bigoted against Christians.	Hardly unusual except for the implied inconsistency between having leftist views and being a cultural ethnic. Ethnics outwardly endorse political views as they please, whatever suits them; inwardly, they don’t necessarily have the same beliefs.
Hypocrisy is an enduring left-wing trait. Proud of the fact that they always back “progressive” causes, leftists are unable to live their beliefs. They flee neighborhoods and schools that have “turned”, never thinking they need a reason to explain these contradictions.	This surely isn’t about ethnic leftists in general; they desire what benefits them, not to live their stated leftist beliefs, which are supposed to be practiced by others [whites].
The Jews of my world felt morally superior to others.	Only your world? Has it ever been different, anywhere else?
This narcissism gave them the right to critique America, a country that was profoundly generous and welcoming to them, merely because it wasn’t morally perfect.	“Moral imperfectness” refers to slavery. Now, it appears that the ships transporting black slaves to America were owned by the ethnics, who were the major players in the international use of black slaves. Even earlier, the British colonies in America discovered the secret of money: have your government issue it as a public service instead of the bankers creating it as debt (out of nothing). Prosperity followed; the international money changers (predominantly ethnic) forced a war and the colonies won, giving birth to a new nation, but freedom from bankers didn’t last. It appears, therefore, that the ethnics had much to do with the imperfect moral business to start with.
Jewish verbal assaults were rarely matched by deeds that required physical sacrifice or courage.	No surprise; the tools they employ are lies and deception.
Within the safety of a great country, they felt the freedom to attack viciously and intrusively those with whom they did not agree. If things didn’t work out, they could always move.	They behaved like they have across time and space.
My milieu, City College and New York Jews, was fully in accord with what I had been taught at home. I had no reason to doubt when everyone around me believed the same thing. But yet, I had my doubts. I saw things around me that didn’t comport with what I was taught, but I couldn’t yet understand why.	She’s trying to tell us that she was imparted the same beliefs, regarding equality, by her ethnic elders that the ethnics were imparting to others [whites]. Possible, but how likely?
There were some Jews in my position, who had been “mugged by reality”, and sought refuge in conservatism.	Mugged by reality indeed. Confronted by prospects of IsraHell having to apply to itself policies the ethnics were promoting in America, some “turned conservative.”
But the most crucial concept that they never questioned, which was far more profound than any adjustment in systems, was the belief in the inherent equality of all groups.	The ethnics had no reason to question the belief in the inherent equality of all groups. They personally knew that this belief was false as it was clear who the “chosen people” were, and they also knew that others [whites] must be prevented from questioning this belief.
They believed that the US was indeed a great country—but that lower taxes, less government, and better education for all would solve any problems of inequality.	Right!
I found it a relief that there were a few abandoning the old liberal dogmas. But they and their ilk were too afraid or unimaginative to delve any deeper. They could not, and still cannot, fathom that there are material differences in intelligence and sensibility among groups, which if not recognized, will doom any system solutions they may advocate. In some ways, these Jewish converts to the Right are more damaging than old-style liberals because they give an intellectual dimension to systems-oriented conservatism. Their position on immigration is substantially the same as the left.	No surprise that their position on immigration—more black immigrants in America; blacks out of IsraHell—is the same, as this is the reality of left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative.
My philosophical journey led me to read books that opened my eyes further to what I was already seeing and experiencing. I read Peter Brimelow’s Alien Nation, Jared Taylor’s Paved with Good Intentions, and Arthur Jensen’s Intelligence, Race, and Genetics.	So she cites Peter “I work for ethnics; please donate” Brimelow, Jared “ethnics are white; now give me my ZOG bucks” Taylor and Arthur “I don’t write on ethnics” Jensen.
But my single greatest influence arose from an accidental introduction, in the late 1980s, to the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. Not only was he objective about Jews, he also predicted the decline of Western Civilization. Nietzsche says, “The Jews…are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race now living in Europe; they know how to prevail even under the worst conditions (even better than under favorable conditions), by means of virtues that today one would like to mark as vices…” **Beyond Good and Evil,Peoples and Fatherlands, Section 251 [Note: Quotations are from Walter Kaufman's translation, links go to online versions.] But also: “The Jews, that priestly people, who in opposing their enemies and conquerors were ultimately satisfied with nothing less than a radical revaluation of their enemies’ values, that is to say, an act of the most spiritual revenge…It was the Jews who, with awe-inspiring consistency, dared to invert the aristocratic value-equation (good=noble=powerful=beautiful=happy=beloved of God) and to hang on to this inversion with their teeth…saying the wretched alone are good; the poor, impotent, lowly alone are the good; the suffering, deprived, sick, ugly alone are pious, alone are blessed by God, blessedness is for them alone—and you, the powerful and noble, are on the contrary the evil, the cruel, …the godless to all eternity; and you shall be in all eternity the unblessed, accursed nd damned*!” [On the Genealogy of Morals, First Essay, Section 7, 1887*] His insights hit me like a thunderbolt. I also realized how Christianity was affected by this worldview, especially secularized Christianity.	So Nietzsche it is instead of the great admirer of the ethnics, Martin Luther. The passages she quotes are an apt introduction to the origin of communism. The money changers (all ethnics) wanted a central bank in Russia; the Czar/royalty didn’t. The workers thus had to be turned against the elite and their shortcomings/troubles blamed on the elite. The money changers funded the communist revolution. The Romanovs were killed. The initially-economic communist theory was translated to cultural terms by the Frankfurt School (the work of ethnics).
Everything I saw around me confirmed what Nietzsche wrote. In the present day, Western men (the aristocratic class) are the “bad” and the poor, the violent, the “underdog” are the “good”.	She indeed confirmed what Nietszche wrote about the ethnics. The ethnic Susan Sontag described whites as the cancer of humanity. The ethnic Noel Ignatiev concurs and wants whites to be race traitors that help abolish whiteness. And so on.
This worldview opened the floodgates to the immigration crisis we have today. How can we stop immigration if these people are “good” and we are “bad”? We, as the “bad”, owe it to all of the “good” to invite them into our societies and support them, if necessary. How can we judge them when they are the holy and the noble? They only want what we have. Isn’t that a modest request?	What the... The floodgates were opened to have whites occupied with the troubles that accompany racially incompatible immigrants and to weaken them while the ethnics make merry peddling their wares, particularly leeching wealth and indebting people more via usury (fractional reserve banking), and also to diminish the odds of organized resistance against the ethnics.
To be clear, it is important to understand that there is no conspiracy among Jews, no Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to advance this view because it benefits them as a group. In fact, it is the opposite—these views are suicidal to all higher people, particularly the Jews.	Hallelujah!
It is dangerous to believe in the inherent equality of groups because it leads to such questions as: Why are the Jews nearly always at the top rung of every society? Why are they invariably the most educated and the wealthiest? If one believes all groups are equal, then the Jews must be doing something especially deceitful and clever, not to mention evil.	Naughty lady! Teasing us with “Jews must be doing something especially deceitful and clever, not to mention evil.” Indeed, they’re doing something very deceitful; it’s called fractional reserve banking, economics jargon for counterfeiting money and enfeebling others by creating money as debt.
The belief in group equality is the most harmful and dangerous notion today. It is the basis for all policies regarding immigration, education, and civil rights in the US, as well as all Western societies.	Well, I’ll be boozing and jiving with ethnic women... The most harmful and dangerous notion today is that the control of money or the power to issue money should remain in the hands of private banks. This control has made the money changers filthy rich, enabling them to lavishly fund attempts to open the immigration floodgates, promote affirmative action, and force white taxpayers to fund other minority handouts, including funding the education of people who can’t be educated.
Despite reams of scientific evidence that supports racial differences throughout the body, from differing diseases, rates of cancer, hypertension, reactions to drugs, all types of physical attributes, etc., for some reason we are to believe that these differences stop at the brain.	For some reason? Now what could this be? To diminish the odds of informed arguments against non-white immigration and arguments against attempts to integrate blacks and other incompatibles into white societies.
And the fact that Jews succeed in every society wildly out of proportion to their numbers cannot be discussed.	You mean the underlying reason can’t be discussed, which you didn’t discuss either. Hint: it isn’t intelligence; there are too few at the right extreme of the bell curve to explain the dominance. The answer involves deception, crimes and other evil related to usury (particulary of the creating-money-out-of-nothing variety, otherwise known as fractional reserve banking).
Western man has been crippled by guilt and a bad conscience that puts our alleged misdeeds totally out of perspective. We have embraced this notion. As Nietzsche said: “One puts to one’s lips what drives one faster into the abyss”. [The Case of Wagner, Section 5]	...for which we have the ethnics to thank for the most part.
And that is precisely why the West is crumbling. We are reaching a point where the high are becoming slaves to the poor; where the low are multiplying and the high are barren. All one has to do to confirm this is to look at the birthrates in the Third World. We are sacrificing ourselves in a narcissistic suicidal orgy, based upon guilt and cowardice—turning truth on its head.	The West isn’t crumbling because of the white man’s burden. It’s crumbling because it can’t bear the weight of debt anymore. Of course, there’s trouble with blacks, Muslims, etc., but these are symptoms, not the disease.
This is what Nietzsche predicted nearly 150 years ago: “But no greater or more calamitous misunderstanding is possible than for the happy, well-constituted, powerful in soul and body, to begin to doubt their right to happiness in this fashion…The high ought not to degrade itself to the status of an instrument of the lower, .. distance ought to keep …tasks eternally separated…”[On the Genealogy of Morals , Third Essay, Section 15]	Martin Luther (not the bro. Marchin’ Looter) also warned people to ignore the nature of the ethnics at their own peril: The Jews are a “base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth”... they are “full of the devil’s feces... which they wallow in like swine,”... the synagogue is an “incorrigible whore and an evil slut”... “they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security”... “the Jews, as they are today, are veritably a mixture of all the depraved and malevolent knaves of the whole world over, who have then been dispersed in all countries, to afflict the different nations with their usury, to spy upon others, and to betray, to poison wells, to deceive and kidnap children—in short, to practice all kinds of dishonesty and injury.” Therefore be on your guard against the Jews and know that where they have their schools there is nothing but the Devil’s nest in which self-praise, vanity, lies, blasphemy, disgracing God and man, are practiced in the bitterest and most poisonous way as the Devils do themselves.
It is not evil to acknowledge material differences in IQ and sensibility. There is no praise or blame for what is. It is mandatory for the survival of civilization. As decline progresses, lies get bolder and more hysterical every day. Oppression of those who depart from the party line becomes more prevalent.	Agreed, but this is digression. Debt, including how it’s created, is the real issue.
The churches, the Main Stream Media, the educational institutions, the political leaders are all praising and promoting these superstitions.	...bought by the money changers.
You have to be carefully taught to hate yourself and your race. To live continually with guilt. To be called the “oppressor”. To accept the inverted world that believes the high should be ashamed of its attributes and accomplishments.	“Inverted world” reminds one of Ian Jobling. Alarmed by the “anti-Semitism” at Amren, he set up a website by this name, later changed to whiteamerica.us. Jobling attacked Salter, MacDonald,... just about anything with an academic argument... leaving us with nothing. Comment moderation took care of criticism. Those who cited him often at MR stopped, then Jobling's ethnic handlers agreed that he should hang up the towel... ethnics can’t be defended before an enlightened audience.
America is becoming a Third World country.	No kidding... courtesy, chiefly, of organized ethnics.
The radical decline of the human race is accelerating.	Of course, debt that took decades to amass is now amassed in years.
Both Jews and non-Jews are committed to ideals based upon falsehoods that will lead to the suicide of our nation.	Indeed... some whites have bought into falsehoods spread by ethnics, hook, line and sinker, just as many ethnics are committed to the false belief that they’ll be successful in their quest for complete global domination.
Nietzsche gave me an affirming life. I learned that it is important for the survival of Western Civilization to have an affirming philosophy, not merely to say “no”. It is important to have an alternative vision of the future.	Here’s my alternative vision of the future, in order of priority: Race traitors shot (kosher Nazi special!). Money changers hanged; remaining ethnics deported. Asians where they came from. Hispanics down south. Muslims out. Blacks in Africa.
What you wish it to be is not always what is. The most profound truths are often the “ugliest”.	Aryans believe otherwise: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:32) [How can something liberating be ugly?]
Non-Jews as well as Jews must abandon these ideas and reject that which is unhealthy.	Amen!
Jews are a tiny portion of mankind. Despite the important role Jews have played in fomenting this disaster, it is inaccurate and intellectually lazy to blame the Jews alone for our current problems.	No one blames your ethnic group alone. After all, you’re publishing at VDARE, which has a lot of non-ethnic contributors. Now please pack your bags, take your family to IsraHell and never come back.
We all have to take responsibility for our lives and for our decisions and errors. And, unfortunately, we will need much more pain before we confront this disaster.	I lament my ignorance as of a few years ago and curse any ancestors who let your kind into the United States. Now leave, and if pain is how it’s going to be, rest assured it’ll be at least mutual.
Susie Green (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)) is an American of Jewish background. She has worked in New York City all of her professional life in various high-level managerial jobs. She is married and has a large blended family of children and stepchildren.	Email her indeed. Ask her to go to IsraHell, permanently.

If Susan Green’s deception is the norm for organizations supposedly at the forefront of promoting immigration sanity, or white racial consciousness, or white nationalism, or an Anglo-Saxon/Germanic/northern European homeland, then no such goals could be realized because of infiltration by the enemy and controlled opposition.

What ails us the most? Drowning in debt with no end in sight. Should a drowning person be more concerned with his imminent drowning or fungus on his toenails?

The United States faces defaulting on its debts if it doesn’t increase the government’s borrowing limit. To increase the debt limit ensures that the government can borrow more money to pay its debts and get by! Greece burns because the government must cut benefits and raise taxes to pay interest on the bailouts. Portugal needs a second bailout before it’s ready to borrow money from financial markets again! And so on... all because governments aren’t allowed to create their own money but must borrow from the money changers who create money out of nothing, which is why no amount of spending cuts and raising taxes will balance the budget and get rid of the debt. The principle is old. Here’s Martin Luther:

I hear it said that the Jews give large sums of money and thereby are helpful to the government. Yes, from what do they give it? Not of their own, but from the property of the rulers and subjects, whom they deprive of their possessions through usury! And thus the rulers take from the subjects what the Jews have taken, that is: subjects must give money and suffer themselves to be fleeced for the Jews so they can remain in the land freely to lie, slander, curse, and steal. Should not the despairing Jews have a good laugh over the way we suffer ourselves to be fooled...

When a nation wises up, the money changers wage war. The American revolutionary war is an example. More recently, in the 1930s, Germany, devastated by World War I, the Versailles treaty and the Great depression, took back control of money, forcing the money changers to instantiate an international boycott against it, yet Germany prospered as any self-sufficient Western nation would if it had control over its money. Imagine if it caught on. The second nation to prosper was Japan, following banking reform modeled after Germany. The money changers struck back. They slaughtered ethnic Germans in the Danzig corridor in Poland. German pleas to the League of nations went unheeded, forcing Germany to invade Poland to protect the Germans living in the territory that it was forced to give up by the Versailles treaty. On the other hand, the money changers had America strangle the Japanese economically, forcing them to attack Pearl Harbor. This is the short history of what led to World War II.

Now, the money changers have marshaled Western resources to attack Libya because Gaddafi proposed that Libya and all of Africa should have their own monetary system.

VDARE, AMREN, Steve Sailer, The Hoosier nation, The Alternative Right, [increasingly] the TOQ, et al. will continue to focus on black criminality, non-white immigration, Muslims and other symptoms, paying no more than lip service to the ethnics as an organized entity. They won’t focus on the disease: a parasitic infestation that leeches wealth and prosperity. When they do address the ethnics, it isn’t about taking back control of the money supply, the path to true sovereignty and the cure for the disease that ails the West [and generally the non-West, too, incidentally].

Whereas one could argue that VDARE et al. find it prudent to avoid focusing on ethnics to reach a broader, more mainstream audience, if they were sincere, given their education, they could proceed along the lines of www.themoneymasters.com, where the money/debt issue is explained at length and a solution offered without any mention of ethnics. But VDARE et al. deceive by publishing essays like the one by Susan Green. They deceive by telling us that the most serious problem is a belief in equality, or immigration, or Muslims, or black criminality, whereas these are symptoms. [Ignore the promotion of Ron Paul at the money masters website. Superficially, no other major politician seems ready to take on the private central bank known as the Federal Reserve, which is why this website can recommend no other, but Ron Paul proved himself to be a charlatan and controlled opposition in the previous race for President. Since the money masters website promotes a solution [fiat money created, as a public service, by a government elected by the public] that is very different from Ron Paul’s solution [a gold-backed currency], one that will work whereas Ron Paul’s wouldn’t, the website is legitimate]

Unless infiltration by the enemy and controlled opposition are tackled, I regret to say that Susan Green is correct in her insinuation that white nationalism or an Anglo-Saxon homeland is doomed.

Posted by J Richards on Monday, July 18, 2011 at 02:27 AM in Blogs & Blogging, Economics & Finance, That Question Again, White Nationalism
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Posted by Barbara on July 18, 2011, 08:13 AM | #

You can read Beyond Good and Evil for free at http://www.archive.org/stream/beyondgoodevilpr1909niet#page/n11/mode/2up

Always check this site and other free online sites if you would rather not buy a book.

Posted by anon on July 18, 2011, 08:24 AM | #

There is no conspiracy among Jews.

They just all happen to be trying very hard to convince us, everywhere we find them, that there is no conspiracy among Jews, that Jews are the highest type of humanity, that Jews are not to blame, that we do not exist, that blacks must be conceded everything, and Mexicans are Americans and Pakistans Britons, too.

It never ends with these people. The amoeba splits again.

Jews cause a terrible problem, then ‘discover’ it, act ‘shocked,’ and rail against it. What an act.

— Chuck Pearson

Note how she poses as the first reader of Nietzsche to note parallels of his analysis with modernity. The French have been plying that trade for nearly a century. Every Jew who has an experience writes a book. The narcissism is plain in the statement: ” ... gave me an affirming life.”

Posted by anon on July 18, 2011, 08:52 AM | #

I mean it’s almost like this Jew ... knows better than us ....

To be clear, it is important to understand that there is no conspiracy among Jews, no Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to advance this view because it benefits them as a group. In fact, it is the opposite—these views are suicidal to all higher people, particularly the Jews.

So what she’s saying is ... Jews are the victims here ... particularly so at that ...

When Jews step forward as innocence itself then the danger is great.

— Nietzsche

Posted by anon on July 18, 2011, 08:57 AM | #

His insights hit me like a thunderbolt.

... Though I will still preach unto the nations that despite Nietzsche’s cogent exposition of Jewish slave morality, currently raging among them, that Jews are not to blame.

Posted by dc on July 18, 2011, 11:57 AM | #

The focus on money and money manipulation is fine. I wonder if you ought not to have included the problem of media control.
But neither, in my opinion, is the ultimate issue. Jews are simply racially different, and one should not blame or moralize for jew behaviour.
Nietzsche (sort of) : Where there is a picnic there also are the ants.

Posted by The Neathergate Trust. on July 18, 2011, 02:49 PM | #

O.T. The Murdoch Scandal.

Strange days in Britain indeed.The nation’s got its collective knickers in a twist and for weeks now fresh revelations from the Murdoch Scandal have dominated the news - and set off a right old tizzy of finger-pointing, backstabbing and a good cathartic dose of Murdoch bashing.
Never mind the iminent collapse of the Euro and Great Depression part two.
Anyhow, the Murdoch papers were full of shit, and the man was a cunt, that much was known, but it didn’t stop the arse-lickers at the pinnacle of the political class tearing each others eyes out for the privelege of ‘tossing’ the elderly antipodean’s ‘salad’ - how those bastards (one G.Brown esq springs to mind), turned on their God in a heartbeat is a fabulous sight to behold.
At the end of the day, the naughtiness at the Murdoch stable is essentially trivia, no it doesn’t affect he price of butter.Compared to the Andrew Neather relevations of a few years back, it’s just incosequential froth, desrving a few slapped bottoms at best (now, I wouldn’t mind turning Rebekah over on my knee !!!).And now we hear that the legendary Yates of the Yard, one of the Met’s old school of hard bitten hard boiled detectives is out on his ear - the poor man was on the verge of tears at his press conference - straining very hard to stop the waterworks.
Enough of the laboured humour and back to the cut and thrust.The Neather revelations WERE actually serious, damaging and treasonous, revealling nothing less that the ruling olitical party of Britain of the time secretly wished to genocide the British people.No exaggerration.No joke.
And yet, and yet, the scandal passed with nary a squeak and this trivial dogshit is getting the full-on thre eact Wagner treatment, with no sign of the fat lady in the viking helmet on the horizon.
WHY???

Posted by Leon Haller on July 18, 2011, 03:48 PM | #

But VDARE et al. deceive by publishing essays like the one by Susan Green. They deceive by telling us that the most serious problem is a belief in equality, or immigration, or Muslims, or black criminality, whereas these are symptoms.

Absolutely wrong.

Whatever the role of Jews in the West’s destruction, the primary problem is indeed the West’s modern liberal beliefs; specifically, that opposing race-mixing, whether geographically or genetically, is morally wrong. Until nationalists establish the opposite principle, we will go nowhere.

Since the money masters website promotes a solution [fiat money created, as a public service, by a government elected by the public] that is very different from Ron Paul’s solution [a gold-backed currency], one that will work whereas Ron Paul’s wouldn’t, the website is legitimate]

Also absolutely wrong, and amazingly ignorant.

We already have fiat money, pure fiat money in the US since 1971. I agree with moneymasters website wrt the evils of fractional reserve banking (FRB), as did Rothbard and as does Ron Paul. The solution is indeed a gold-backed currency, along with laws properly outlawing FRB as a form of fraud. FRB is not, however, some evil foisted on us by Jews. It has been the dominant mode of finance, supported by plenty of Aryans, for a century.

Money, to be truly stable, must be taken OUT OF THE HANDS of governments, including democratic ones. The natural result of doing so would be a return to a commodity money, likely gold.

It’s always sad when one encounters writings which very nearly ‘get it’, but then fumble the ball so close to the goal line.

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 18, 2011, 04:50 PM | #

Perhaps we should today, more than ever, understand that Mao Zedong’s old motto is pertinent:

‘Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.’

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 18, 2011, 05:43 PM | #

Or even recall Lacan’s formula for overcoming an ideological impossibility is not ‘everything is possible’, but ‘the impossible happens’. The Lacanian impossible-real is not an a priori limitation, which needs to be realistically taken into account, but the domain of action. An act is more than an intervention into the domain of the possible—an act changes the very coordinates of what is possible and thus retroactively creates its own conditions of possibility.

Posted by Selous Scout on July 18, 2011, 06:05 PM | #

Nonsense.

It’s not doomed.

It will simply require a

course of action

of which even the most ardent WN today remains ignorant, or afraid.

But it will happen.

Posted by anon on July 18, 2011, 06:25 PM | #

It will simply require a course of action of which even the most ardent WN today remains ignorant, or afraid.

Selous Scout, were you a Selous Scout?? ‘Twould be an honor if so. But if not, I admire the ruthless implications of your words, and am in agreement.

Posted by J Richards on July 18, 2011, 07:03 PM | #

Leon Haller,

Not sure what kind of weed you’re smoking…

Liberalism as the primary problem of the West

So the West’s modern liberal beliefs, particularly concerning race mixing, are the chief problem?

The Unites States is second to none when it comes to race mixing propaganda, but over 90% of American whites having children give birth to white children. I know it should be 100%, but the American white population is large and at this rate will maintain at least a 100-million-strong size a century hence.

In contrast, most whites are financially hurting and face a situation, in the not-too-distant future, where the majority are on food stamps, with minimum-wage jobs, having no financial cushion, and are simply too weak, too dependent on government handouts, and too destitute to organize any kind of resistance against the money changers, which is among the chief goals of the money changers.

Then there are a number of European nations—Latvia, Ukraine, Estonia, etc.—where race mixing is practically a non-issue, but they are suffering financially because of the shenanigans of the money changers.

We all know that the word liberal has been hijacked by extremists with literally illiberal attitudes; they use “liberal policies” as an euphemism for non-white immigration, race mixing, gay rights, affirmative action, other forms of anti-white discrimination, etc., but whence does the money to fund/promote such policies come from? Do I need to tell you that the money changers, who are disproportionately ethnic, have obtained this money by leeching it from the general population, and that they continue to leech more?

Posted by J Richards on July 18, 2011, 07:11 PM | #

Leon Haller,

More regarding the hallucinogens you’re taking…

Fiat money vs. gold-backed currency

It’s true that we have fiat currency now and have had it for a while, but is this the problem? No. The problem stems from who controls the fiat money. To illustrate, consider commodity-based money such as gold.

The money changers have most of the gold, and they know how to get most of what’s not in their possession: they’ll simply have the government confiscate people’s gold, which has happened before (Franklin Roosevelt ordered people’s gold confiscated in 1933). The money changers will tell the government that since gold is money and the government owes them trillions, the government needs to confiscate the public’s gold and give it to them. So you end up with the money changers still in control of most of the wealth. You could replace gold with another commodity, and the picture will be unchanged.

Gold-backed money is inconvenient for the money changers and a problem with respect to small nations over which they have limited control (e.g., Libya), but the money changers will reluctantly accept it.

On the other hand, the true wealth of a nation lies in the ability of its citizens, in the goods and services they can provide, and money should be a public-service tool to facilitate the exchange of these goods and services, which is why fiat money controlled by the government is ideal, and this is the reason the money changers will resort to any depravity, no matter how vile, to maintain their control over the issuance and control of money.

Again, the example of the American colonies is apt. Colonial script (a form of fiat money) was so successful that it prompted the money changers to wage war, during which they counterfeited colonial script by the bale and shipped it to America to undermine the currency. Germany just before World War II is another, more recent, success story. Devastated by World War I, the Versailles treaty and the Great Depression, it took only a few years of the government taking control of the money (fiat money again) to not only reverse the decline but achieve financial prosperity, notwithstanding an international economic boycott.

Non-ethnics have indeed been active participants in fractional reserve banking, but the major backers of this system historically, and continuing into the present, have been ethnics. Fractional reserve banking is about a thousand years old, and ethnics have, at times and in certain places, held a practically exclusive monopoly on the practice because usury was forbidden for Christians.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 18, 2011, 07:33 PM | #

The Neathergate Trust,

The Neather revelations WERE actually serious, damaging and treasonous, revealing nothing less that the ruling political party of Britain of the time secretly wished to genocide the British people. No exaggeration. No joke.

And yet, and yet, the scandal passed with nary a squeak and this trivial dogshit is getting the full-on three-act Wagner treatment, with no sign of the fat lady in the viking helmet on the horizon.

The silence about Labour’s “social objectives” proves their importance - and political toxicity. I wonder if Andrew Green put in an FoI request for clarification of what those objectives were and why mention of them was redacted from the 2000 Home Office Report. If he hasn’t somebody should.

For anyone left in the world who does not know, the 2000 Report was authored by a committee chaired by Jonathan Portes, who is one of J Richards’ “ethnics”. He reported to the then Immigration Minister, who was Barbara Roche. Another one. And she reported to the then Home Secretary, Jack Straw. A converso, or a son of a converso, or something. Straw reported to Tony Blair. Tony Blair reported to ... Bill Clinton, probably, and he reported to ...

Posted by J Richards on July 18, 2011, 08:21 PM | #

dc,

You have presented media control as if it’s separate from the money issue. But acquiring control of the mainstream media requires a lot of money. Where do you think the ethnics got this money from?

It’s also interesting that you find neither money nor media control as the ultimate issue, which in your estimation is that the ethnics are racially different. Mere racial difference isn’t sufficiently informative. The genetic distance between non-ethnic Europeans and the ethnics is much less compared to blacks and Asians. In fact, Europeans north of the Alps are more genetically distant from non-ethnic southern Europeans than the ethnics are from non-ethnic southern Europeans. But would you rather exclude Belgians from Italy or the ethnics?

It’s the behavior and potential for harm that counts, which may or may not be due to a racial difference (not all population differences are of a racial nature).

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 18, 2011, 09:40 PM | #

Warning:

Overexposure to Hallercinogens can lead to complete and permanent Leonacy.

Posted by dc on July 18, 2011, 09:50 PM | #

J Richards,

I quite agree that the relatedness of races is a matter of degree. There is no harm to the culture when Swedes settle amongst Britons. But surely the significance of a racial difference is determined by kind as well as degree. The jew is specialised to survive as a member of a non-territorial nation, a condition as remote for Frank Salter as for Richard Ardrey. I think it perfectly plausible that inbreeding has made the jew’s condition genetic and irrevocably parasitic.

Sensible people bring insecticide to their picnics.

As for possession of wealth preceding control of the media, you are of course right. There was after all a time when there was little in the way of popular media. But as far as this woman’s views are concerned, I should like to make three, possibly related, points. The first is that her views and the way in which they are expressed are obviously only reflections of popular commonplaces. The second is that through hostile media control we have arrived at a situation where it is almost impossible to get a clear picture of what the average white European thinks. And the third is that the jew has consistently grasped for media control as long as the media have existed ; that control is 3/4 of his power.

Posted by Leon Haller on July 18, 2011, 10:56 PM | #

I stand by my comments.

I am amazed at the lack of basic economic understanding consistently in evidence here at MR. This does not bode well for nationalism’s future. There are too many ordinary conservatives now who do understand real economics (when the simplistic but decent Michelle Bachmann claims to read Mises at the beach, clearly a threshold has been reached).

VDARE, Amren etc are intelligent and correct. Keep the focus on ending the immigration invasion. Without that, the struggle is lost without a shot fired. WNs who insult Christianity (need I tell the assorted fools here that that ‘ideology’ has a lot more backing than WN?), or who parade economic ignorance in the face of a large demographic (white Middle America) which increasingly understands and rejects socialism, inflationism, and Big Govt, and is appropriately fearful of its financial future, merely muddy the waters and lessen our potential popularity.

I am one of the few here who is truly awake and perspicacious (though Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, and others like them certainly do understand reality as well)..

Posted by Leon Haller on July 18, 2011, 11:00 PM | #

Let me add: successful politics is always about addition, which requires some lowest common denominator ideological agenda. We have nowhere ended the immigration invasion. Yet stopping it is far more popular (and vital) than anything else WNs ever voice or propose, including rants about “ethnics”. Once we stop the invasion, we can always issue new demands ...

Posted by Bubba on July 18, 2011, 11:25 PM | #

I am one of the few here who is truly awake and perspicacious

You’re a narcissistic idiot, actually.

Speaking of narcissists, where is Bowery? If we must suffer egocentrics, then at least let him be intelligent.

VDARE, Amren etc are intelligent

Brimelow’s afraid of ethnics, Taylor is married to one, and Amren comments indicate an average IQ of less than 100.

a large demographic (white Middle America) which increasingly understands and rejects socialism, inflationism, and Big Govt

And has watched its perimeter shrink for the past 50 years. You’re a fucking rocket scientist, aren’t ya? Conservatives lose even when they win.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 19, 2011, 01:33 AM | #

...stopping it (immigration) is far more popular (and vital) than anything else WNs ever voice or propose

I think people are probably more concerned about financial matters at this point, Leon. Eating is pretty vital, even if its Mexican food.

Posted by Bill on July 19, 2011, 03:48 AM | #

The Neathergate Trust. on July 18, 2011, 06:49 PM

And yet, and yet, the scandal passed with nary a squeak and this trivial dogshit is getting the full-on thre eact Wagner treatment, with no sign of the fat lady in the viking helmet on the horizon.
WHY???

Remember the banksters show trial (brow beaten hard men prostrating themselves before the cameras) by the politicians? Remember the show trial of the politician’s expenses scandal orchestrated by the Telegraph?

There seems to me an inexplicable internecine war going on between the major players in this NWO power grab. Politicians, media, banksters, corporations, (BP US oil spillage) and now it’s the neocon NI empire’s turn to be trashed by the left BBC (and Guardian).

The BBC cannily play this thing as a bottom up people outrage while it seems to me to be the opposite, this faux handwringing is a top down left whack a Murdoch spat.

I’ve always wondered how this unholy alliance of the corrupt can sustain, who knows what currents of intrigue and power grabs are swirling around at this level.

As you say, Why???

PS. I commented yesterday on another thread about Blue labour. I see in today’s Telelegraph (and Mail) both have a piece up about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015979/Freeze-UK-immigration-British-people-says-Ed-Milibands-policy-guru.html

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 19, 2011, 07:15 AM | #

Off topic but read about this in my inbox today.

Three jailed for set-top box fraud

All of foreign non-British origins.

As some people commented on the story.

So, we allow people into Britain and this is how they repay us? Why do so many crooks have foreign names ? If it isn’t Asian paedophiles or insurance scam gangs, it’s Lithuanian bootleggers, Somali gangs or Irish ‘traveller’ conmen. Anyone who comes from another country and breaks the law should be doubly punished for abusing our hospitality. We have enough of our own homegrown scum to contend with - being here is a privilege and responsibility, not a right.

and

And they’re all members of the so-called honest and hard-working ‘immigrant community’. No change there then.

Not everyone in England has had the PC memo.

Posted by anon on July 19, 2011, 08:22 AM | #

I think people are probably more concerned about financial matters at this point, Leon. Eating is pretty vital, even if its Mexican food.

Shhh, you’ll hurt danielj’s feelings.

Posted by CS on July 19, 2011, 10:12 AM | #

Leon,

We do not have the power to stop immigration, we don’t even have the power to stop illegal immigration. And we will not get the power to stop either because the entire power structure is in the hands of the enemy. Short of an economic collapse which our enemies will probably use to install hard totalitarianism instead of the soft version we have now, we are not going to able to seize political control via voting.

The only way we might be able to win on a limited basis is international WN flight to one polity so we eventually have the votes to run things the way we want to. The sooner this starts, the sooner we’ll have results.

Posted by anon on July 19, 2011, 10:29 AM | #

Zongwu said, “The thick and black people can have
an empire with thousands of chariots. The others
can’t even get a bowl of rice.”

Posted by danielj on July 19, 2011, 11:25 AM | #

Why would it hurt my feelings?

I’m missing the joke. I do like chimichangas.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 19, 2011, 01:09 PM | #

No Daniel, you did not miss the joke. Anyone who’s been around a while knows you like Mexican food. We also know that you have some insecurities about how White you are, so like most good jokes, its funny in two ways.

The fact that you didn’t get it makes it funny in yet a third way, so lighten up and have a nice day

Posted by danielj on July 19, 2011, 02:11 PM | #

Who the fuck *doesn’t* like beans and rice?

I’ll be a patriotic white American and have a cheeseburger today.

I’m not insecure. My definition of white for the American context includes Poles, Italians, Germans, Irish and Greeks in small numbers. I think we mixed Europeans are the most beautiful and intelligent.

Posted by danielj on July 19, 2011, 02:33 PM | #

Turns out out doesn’t matter where you eat in So Cal-sushi, Chinese, Mexican, cheeseburgers-since it all ends up being prepared by a Mexican anyway.

Posted by anon on July 19, 2011, 02:42 PM | #

Who the fuck *doesn’t* like beans and rice?

No offense, really, but it’s peasant food. Every white man with his wits about him ought to strive for owning means of food production, if nothing else. There’s a good reason much of the world is lactose intolerant and we are not.

I grew up with this difference back home. My earliest memories contain moments in which I understood that there are those who keep animals and make real food (what we ate at home), those who work the fields (mestizos), and those who subsist on food in bags and boxes from the market. Every other Sunday my father would bring me to a nearby Mennonite operation that to this day ships dairy products to markets around their district. Pale, blue-eyed giants in straw hats, deep blue shirts and black suspenders jaunting about in a confident hurry, their legs like stilts, baling hay and tending machines; the womenfolk milking cows or dressing chicken carcasses; children with hair the color of fresh white corn out collecting watermelons in ass-led wagons. This was the true life indeed!

Then, moving closer to the coast, I was exposed to Kriol food — I’d pay $$ for a big bowl of bile-up right now — with its offal and fish and sweet potatoes. Every day one very tall negro with not a spare ounce of fat on his bones would emerge seemingly from nowhere with a huge glistening bundle of plump red snapper that he’d sell out to the shore diners. I used to nip down at sight of him and grab two or three for us at lunch. Think his name was Patrice. He’d call me “brazi bwai” for my very partial Portuguese heritage.

Man, beans and rice are kinds of dirt compared to such fare.

Posted by anon on July 19, 2011, 02:44 PM | #

Turns out out doesn’t matter where you eat in So Cal-sushi, Chinese, Mexican, cheeseburgers-since it all ends up being prepared by a Mexican anyway.

That much is true. You can always see their black hair through the serving window because they’re so short. LOL.

I think we mixed Europeans are the most beautiful and intelligent.

Ok, ok, that’s true as well.

Posted by danielj on July 19, 2011, 02:55 PM | #

Yes. Food independence is my goal. It is within reach for me, but I’ve got a ways to go until I get there.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 19, 2011, 04:47 PM | #

I don’t raise my own food, but I’m thankful to be close to people who do. I got a wild King salmon off the boat this morning. Raw Jersey cow milk. Raw goat milk. Great chicken and duck eggs. Beautiful green vegetables and unbelievable berries this time of year.

The only thing I’ve managed to do completely by myself here in Oregon is harvest wood fuel from surrounding public lands. I’ve got about 10 cords stacked and dried, which is all I can store at any one time. It’s a nice feeling.

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 19, 2011, 04:58 PM | #

@danielj

Well I have never had beans and rice together.

Posted by anon on July 19, 2011, 05:12 PM | #

I don’t raise my own food, but I’m thankful to be close to people who do.

Right, I ought to have said: own the means of production or live near those who do (and are conscientious about it). Your diet is near perfect in my book, Jimmy. Raw Jersey milk is purest ambrosia. I didn’t have the milk of any European breed until my family relocated to Florida in my ninth year. What a treat! Richer than milk from our good sturdy Brahmans, it seemed to me.

Posted by Thunder on July 19, 2011, 05:39 PM | #

To J Richards,

Excellent contribution, this is the best I have read on MR for some time. I appreciate the consistent message and your viewpoint (moneychangers). The format was very readable too. Thank you.

Posted by Thunder on July 19, 2011, 05:46 PM | #

Jimmy you cracked me up with this:

Overexposure to Hallercinogens can lead to complete and permanent Leonacy
Sorry Leon just enjoyed the humour surely you smiled at that.

Posted by Thunder on July 19, 2011, 05:51 PM | #

Off topic and incidentally, what happened to Ivan. He promised to answer all my questions but has since vanished. I was discussing questions that bothered me in his Probability Theory and Survival of the White Race commentary section. Does anyone know?

Posted by danielj on July 19, 2011, 06:32 PM | #

Graham,

Next time you’re in the Mexican colony, the chile colorado, rellanos, burritos and philosophy/evolution arguments are all my treat.

Jimmy,

I had it all worked out like you do when I was in Rhode Island. I just do grass-fed, hormone free, organic, etc from Whole Foods. No time or patience right now for the farmer’s markets.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 19, 2011, 09:03 PM | #

Thunder, I’m glad you liked my joke about Leon. He’s a good chap. If I ever do get any land around here I’m going to set aside a piece of it for him to sharecrop, in case things don’t work out for him with his god fearing co-religionists in Nigeria.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 20, 2011, 01:11 AM | #

More Californians affected by hallercinogens.

Posted by Leon Haller on July 20, 2011, 04:16 AM | #

All most droll ...

The bottom line is that I am a loyal white man, even when it has been in my self-interest not to be so. Most especially then (I dislike multiculti bullying).

Anyway, something interesting about our “ethnic” friends in this:

http://news.yahoo.com/report-deadly-nz-quake-uncovers-israeli-spy-ring-231311624.html

New Zealand? WTF?!

Concerns about global hegemony suddenly seem less far-fetched ...

Posted by Wandrin on July 20, 2011, 12:14 PM | #

It’s amazing how Jews have (so far) got away with their primary role in the African slave trade.

It could almost be like a consistent sign. Those issues where Jewish attacks on white people are at their most relentless may all turn out to be those where the Jews themselves are the most guilty.

Hitler only got 4% of the vote in 1928 but nearly 40% in 1932 i.e the year after Bolshevik Jews deliberately starved six million Ukrainians to death. Jews didn’t create Hitler but it was the mass murder of milllions of white Christians by Jewish Bolsheviks that got him enough votes to get into power.

The Jewish media fixing attention on post-1932 Germany drops a smokescreen over what Jews did in the Soviet Union between 1928 and 1932. In the same way Jews screeching about white involvement in the African slave trade obscures the fact that Jews made the most money from African slaves.

Posted by Mason on July 20, 2011, 04:02 PM | #

Anyway, something interesting about our “ethnic” friends in this:

http://news.yahoo.com/report-deadly-nz-quake-uncovers-israeli-spy-ring-231311624.html

New Zealand? WTF?!

The Prime Minister of New Zealand, John Key, is Jewish.

Apparently one of the first calls that Key took after the earthquake hit was from Netanyahu, and he fielded three more from Netanyahu that day:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=23614

Posted by Mason on July 20, 2011, 06:33 PM | #

It’s amazing how Jews have (so far) got away with their primary role in the African slave trade.

It could almost be like a consistent sign. Those issues where Jewish attacks against White people are at their most relentless may all turn out to be those where the Jews themselves are the most guilty.

Not just the African slave trade, but other things such as the issue of European colonialism more generally which Jews have used as moral attacks on white people turn out to be things that Jews themselves were heavily involved in.

The Jewish historian Benjamin Ginsberg details the prominent role played by Jews in European colonialism in his book The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State. Jews had large political, commercial, financial interests in European colonialism and leveraged their political, cultural, social power and influence to use European imperialism to protect and expand their investments and interests.

This isn’t surprising when you observe their behavior today. You see them promoting the “suicide” meme, trying to deflect attention and blame from Jews towards WASPs, Protestantism, “ultra-Calvinism”, etc.

It works well because of their considerable control of media and their skill at devising narratives. These narratives are especially seductive because I think for many Whites there is an element of pride. They don’t want to believe that they’ve been had.

Posted by jrackell on July 20, 2011, 07:25 PM | #

(apologies if this is duplicative—having some difficulty with posting)

What ails us the most? Drowning in debt with no end in sight.

This isn’t a pressing problem. Just default on your debt. In the USA at least, they let you keep a lot of your stuff you bought with that debt. England is a bit less charitable I believe.

(I know some debts are not expungeable, government tax debts, student loans and child support payments, and the latter isn’t true debt, but that’s a minor quibble.

Actually, I was amazed when the bank gave me oodles of credit on April 15th a few years back to help me pay my federal tax bill. So conceivably I could bankrupt myself and wipe off my governmnet tax debt too!)

The United States faces defaulting on its debts if it doesn’t increase the government’s borrowing limit.

Why is this a problem? Because You’d have to take your in-laws in when the Soc. Sec checks stop?

The government doesn’t need debt to transfer resources unto itself (so long as it doesn’t create too much inflation) it just needs to employ men with guns.

The real problem is that a lot of the Establishment has it’s loot stored in Government bonds, so not defaulting is really more social welfare for the rich and about protecting their moolah.

Greece burns because the government must cut benefits and raise taxes to pay interest on the bailouts. Portugal needs a second bailout before it’s ready to borrow money from financial markets again! And so on… all because governments aren’t allowed to create their own money

Well, the US and UK can print their own money. And maybe France and Germany can effectively.

The whole West is burning on a fuse. The response to the debt burden is the real problem: Do we sell off Western assets to make the debt holders whole, either the Asians or our own Establishments that got us into this predicament? or do we do what Iceland did and default?

What’s wrong with default again? It would take down the entire apparatus of the welfare/warfare/nanny state—referring to the Anglo-Saxon countries. Hardship? Seeing former diversity consultants beg for food scraps?

all because governments aren’t allowed to create their own money but must borrow from the money changers who create money out of nothing,

It is the government that creates money out of nothing; the banks (and Jews) are just middlemen, albeit fabulously rich ones. When the government wants to buy something (the US case) it has an account at the Fed. It doesn’t put money in when it gets money in taxes. It can do any fiscal spending it wants from that account(s). It prints its money all the time.

A gold standard will fix that but introduce other problems. That is, a gold standard is an artificial constraint on government which they may or may not abide by. Obviously, they didn’t when push came to shove,.

The government is in control of the money supply. But who is in control of the government? Maybe we agree on that, nudge nudge.

It’s true that we have fiat currency now and have had it for a while, but is this the problem? No. The problem stems from who controls the fiat money.

Fiat money is a bit of a red herring. It’s not who controls the fiat money, but who controls the government that issues that fiat currency.

On the other hand, the true wealth of a nation lies in the ability of its citizens, in the goods and services they can provide. and money should be a public-service tool to facilitate the exchange of these goods and services,

Exactly. that’s why a nation can default with minor repercussions. Or print money with no regard to fiscal consequences, at least until the government gobbles up the fraction of the economy it doesn’t yet own.

which is why fiat money controlled by the government is ideal

Why? to pay for diversity consultants? For FDA inspectors who try and bankrupt you for selling rabbits? For government jail keepers who get fat imprisoning people for pseudo crimes—like not paying child support?

The answer involves deception, crimes and other evil related to usury (particulary of the creating-money-out-of-nothing variety, otherwise known as fractional reserve banking).

Fractional reserve banking is just a credit mechanism. Any two free persons should be able to transact any credit agreement between they want. The miller credits some flour to the baker who credits some bread to the weaver who credits some textiles to the Jewish guy who sells it.

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The economic argument is interesting. The post seems to fixate on money which isn’t the real nexus of the problem, but is part of it.

Fractional reserve banking is a red herring. There are too many other forms of slavery which all boil down to some form of rent-seeking that don’t get a mention in your essay. Not a criticism, it was worthwhile reading it.

Posted by bubba on July 20, 2011, 08:14 PM | #

The bottom line is that I am a loyal white man, even when it has been in my self-interest not to be so.

Men loyal to the race do no invest in Third World products sold to the First World.

Posted by J Richards on July 21, 2011, 01:17 AM | #

jrackell,

I’m not surprised you were amazed that a bank loaned you money to pay off your federal taxes. You didn’t understand how the system works. It cost the bank nothing to loan you this money as the loan was created out of nothing. Strictly speaking, the bank did incur some cost, but related to the cost of the paperwork, such as paying the low-level employee who processed you (basically, pressing numbers on the keyboard to increase your account balance by the loan amount, printing a loan agreement and talking to you).

What’s “The government doesn’t need debt to transfer resources unto itself” supposed to mean? The resources are being transferred to the money changers. The major money changers know it’s more profitable to deal with governments rather than individuals, and they use governments to leech people’s assets.

The “Establishment has it’s loot stored in Government bonds” is nonsense. Government bonds are IOUs and intrinsically worthless.

I agree that the U.S. and U.K. can print their own money, just as France and Germany can, but whereas they can they may not because the money changers won’t allow it.

Posted by J Richards on July 21, 2011, 01:27 AM | #

jrackell,

Is debt a pressing problem?

You really believe that debt isn’t a pressing problem and that one should just default on debt? Just about all money is created as debt, i.e., it’s created when people ask for loans. Default on debt means you don’t get more loans. So what happens when a nation defaults? No more loans for the nation and thus a drastic drop in the amount of money that’s going around for the exchange of goods and services [unless the government takes money matters in its own hands]! The consequences of a national default depend on the nation. Most Americans either have little in net assets or live hand to mouth or can’t make it as it is, and there’ll be tens of millions of violent, marauding blacks and Hispanics to deal with… it’ll be complete disaster, and then the money changers will demand their pound of flesh to cover their “losses” resulting from the default.

What should be done about debt?

You said: Do we sell off Western assets to make the debt holders whole, either the Asians or our own Establishments that got us into this predicament? or do we do what Iceland did and default?

This is disinformation + non-inclusion of other choices.

Asian and Western governments haven’t caused the great recession; the money changers, otherwise known as the international bankers, have.

Aside from selling off assets to pay the debt or defaulting, there are other solutions. The one offered by the money masters site will work well: replace money as debt with debt-free money. Since this is a replacement process, the amount of money circulating remains the same and hence there’s no inflation or deflation. The process of this replacement involves governments printing their own money to pay off their debts, prohibiting the money changers from creating money in any form, and having the money changers maintain 100% reserves. So the loans paid off by the governments don’t go into the pockets of the money changers.

To illustrate, consider a bank with two customers. A and B deposit $100 and $10 in a bank, respectively; between them they have $110 in the bank. Now B asks for $80 in loans. The money changers who own the bank will take $80 from A and give it to B. On paper, now A and B have $190 between them. The money changers hope that A and B simultaneously don’t withdraw a combined total exceeding $110; if they do then the bank collapses (run on the bank; now you know why it happens or why banks fail). So when the money changers get back from the government what they “loaned” to it, what happens to this money? They have to add $80 to A’s account because that’s the money they took to give $80 to B. Extrapolate this to actual banks. You can read more about the details of this financial reform plan or monetary reform act: http://www.themoneymasters.com/monetary-reform-act/

If the government pays off the money changers in said manner, there’s another reason why they won’t be enjoying it. With their crime network destroyed and the masses made aware of what they’ve been doing for the past thousand years, people will be looking to greet them, with ropes, pitchforks and shotguns in hand.

Posted by J Richards on July 21, 2011, 01:36 AM | #

jrackell,

Debt default good for Anglo-Saxon nations?

You’ve tried to steer us toward a default solution by arguing that it’ll be good for Anglo-Saxon nations as it’ll take down the “welfare/warfare/nanny state.” Well, the Anglo-Saxons have no beef with Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.; the reason we are involved is because the money changers are using our apparatus to advance the interests of their ethnic tribe and IsraHell. Additionally, the Anglo-Saxons like to take care of their elderly, their homeless, their hungry and their poor, but they can’t bear the cost of adding Third Worlders to these ranks. When Third Worlders create a problem for an Anglo-Saxon welfare state, the solution isn’t scrapping the welfare state but the creation of an Anglo-Saxon homeland.

Government creating the money; banks as the middle men?

You said: It is the government that creates money out of nothing; the banks (and Jews) are just middlemen, albeit fabulously rich ones.

This is pure disinformation. The only money created by the U.S. government comprises of coins minted by the Treasury. The total dollar value of these coins is a negligible amount of American dollars. The dollar bills are printed by the Federal Reserve, a private bank. The total dollar value of these bills is a miniscule fraction of American dollars. Most American dollars are mere computer entries, 10% created by the Federal Reserve, 90% created by other private banks, and this money is created as debt. The fiat money is therefore created by private banks, not the government as you state.

You said: The government is in control of the money supply. But who is in control of the government? Maybe we agree on that, nudge nudge.

If the government controlled the money supply there wouldn’t be any entity more powerful than it.

Posted by J Richards on July 21, 2011, 01:44 AM | #

jrackell,

On the alleged negatives of fiat money controlled by the government

You’ve tried to dismiss the argument that fiat money controlled by the government is ideal because the government will use it to pay diversity consultants, to pay FDA inspectors bankrupting people for taking food production in their own hands and to fund the criminal justice system, which incarcerates a large number of people for petty crimes. Dead wrong!

If the government is elected by the people and it controls the money, the money changers or ethnics can no longer control it and the government will be representative. If the public doesn’t want diversity consultants, the government won’t have them either. You forget that we have diversity consultants because the ruling class, ethnics led by the money changers, must flood white nations with Third Worlders, etc…. that they have the FDA busting some people because they want people to borrow money to buy food from retailers that borrow money to run their business… that they want large numbers of people incarcerated for petty crimes because the government must then borrow money to imprison these people and all these people processed by the criminal justice system makes a lot of money for their lawyer co-ethnics, and so on. And don’t forget that with the money changers defeated, many diversity consultants will be traveling abroad to practice their profession, accompanying diversity of the racial variety as it goes back to where it came from.

Fractional reserve banking as a credit mechanism

You said: Fractional reserve banking is just a credit mechanism. Any two free persons should be able to transact any credit agreement between they want. The miller credits some flour to the baker who credits some bread to the weaver who credits some textiles to the Jewish guy who sells it.

Credit as in loan… I agree that any two free persons or private groups should be able to loan each other money, but private parties should be restricted to loaning a dollar for each dollar they possess. Fractional reserve banking is loaning ten dollars (on average) for each dollar the bank possesses. So where do the extra nine dollars come from? From nothing! They are counterfeited. How can anyone apart from the money changers and their agents agree that fractional reserve banking is okay?

Posted by J Richards on July 21, 2011, 02:14 AM | #

Reversing central nervous system effects of Hallercinogens and related psychoactive agents

Leonacy resulting from the consumption of centrally active Hallercinogens seems to be afflicting MR more and more. There’s Haller and others, now jrackell, and just after I posted Susie Green’s essay, we had Huffmeister displaying the synergistic effects of Hallercinogens and acid. But there’s a solution.

The great scientist Arjan de Wit, Ph.D., Parasitology, while researching arthropod vectors of human pathogens, came up with a broad-spectrum fungicidal, antimicrobial and de-worming agent with analgesic, anxiolytic, antiemetic, antidepressive and, surprisingly, anti-psychotic properties. Effective and formulated as a topical agent, as a nod to its insect-related discovery, de Wit named it——you guessed it correctly——berg spray. This is it folks… the solution! Get yourselves some berg spray. MR pages, particularly nooks and crevices, could use some berg spray.

Posted by Leon Haller on July 21, 2011, 05:57 AM | #

J Richards,

Your level of economic ignorance is painful.

I’ve advocated the need for a specifically nationalist political economy. But such must be built on a correct foundation of economic understanding.

Study Rothbard’s Man, Economy and State. Then you might be able to jump off of that and offer something constructive.

I do not want “the people” controlling the money supply, any more than I want the demos controlling the food supply. My bet is that such a project would yield endless wealth redistribution through rampant inflation. We need a strong rule of law stipulating a gold standard, and then allow only market forces to operate.

Money should be in the hands of neither the banker-cartel Fed, nor some democratic mob.

Property rights are the foundation of economic prosperity (assuming a certain threshold level of national intelligence). They should be free to operate in the monetary sphere as in all others.

Posted by Leon Haller on July 21, 2011, 06:11 AM | #

Let me add, Rothbard was the great theorist against fractional-reserve banking, which he considered inherently fraudulent, and in favor of a gold standard. Actually, he wanted pure freedom - for the true “the people” to decide on their money through individual transactions. I happen to think that in transitioning away from the Fed/FRB system, we will psychologically need a period of authoritarian money, during which the government should command a gold standard. Once people have gotten used to it, say, for a decade, then govt can remove legal tender laws and simply allow people to use whatever they want as a medium of exchange - though people will probably stick with gold, as they did throughout history.

If you can stomach all the libertarian ideological nonsense, you should really study the Austrian School via the Ludwig von Mises Institute (mises.org). Their economics is correct, and they have the best economics online bookstore (and article archive) I know of.

Posted by Helvena on July 21, 2011, 06:28 AM | #

“The problem stems from who controls the fiat money.” - I absolutely agree with you. The whole fiat vs. gold is a red herring, control is the key. Nations/people need to understand that sovereignty is the control of their own currency. Without that they are simply slaves to those who do control and right now that is the Big Jew/the money power.

I also agree with dc that control of our means of communication must be in the hands of the many and not the few. Until we have that, it is almost impossible to spread ideas, thank god for the internet, keep it free. It is time we take back our entertainment industry as well. Whether or not the Jews are genetically different or culturally different from us really doesn’t matter because the fact is we/they are not compatible and we all must face that fact.

Posted by J Richards on July 22, 2011, 03:32 AM | #

Haller,

You keep accusing me of economics ignorance. I could do the same, but then where would we be? Substance matters. I told you two things about gold. The first is that the money changers have most of the gold. The second is that the money changers can get governments to confiscate people’s gold, like they have in the past. A gold-based currency therefore means that the money changers retain most of the wealth, as in the present, and maintain their power. You didn’t address either point and reiterated the need for a gold-based standard. This isn’t an argument; it’s Leonacy.

Now let me add a practical example.

The money changers have used a gold standard to their advantage; an illustration from American history

One of the best examples of why a gold-based currency wouldn’t work for non-ethnics is the aftermath of the U.S. civil war, when the money changers wanted a gold-based standard of money. Would they want this if it empowered the people?

They wanted a gold-based standard because silver was plentiful and being used as money and because Lincoln had introduced debt-free money, greenbacks, into circulation. The scarcity of gold made it an attractive candidate for manipulating the amount of money flowing around and the money changers, naturally, had large quantities of the gold out there. How did they go about establishing this standard?

They started with hiring John Wilkes Booth to kill Abraham Lincoln, who would surely have repealed the National Banking Act (1963, 1964) he had reluctantly acquiesced to in order to fund the war efforts to maintain the Union.

Then the money changers started removing Lincoln’s greenbacks from circulation and demonetized silver. They got the government to stop minting silver coins in 1873. By 1876, Americans were mostly destitute, with one out of three unemployed because the bankers had removed a large amount of money from circulation. In 1877 there were riots in many cities. In 1878, facing intense public pressure, Congress was forced to reissue silver dollars in limited quantities and, facing the heat, bankers eased up on loans, thus granting Americans a brief respite from the post-war depression they had caused.

A brief threat appeared in the form of President James Garfield, but the money changers had him assassinated.

More financial misery followed as the money changers wanted to replace the many National Banks with a single central bank; the modus operandi was to cause financial panic and then argue that a centralized bank was needed to prevent such panics.

In 1900 a gold standard for the dollar was finally established. In 1913, the money changers got their central bank when the Federal Reserve Act was passed. Soon thereafter, they exploited some international rivalries and funded the build-up leading to World War I. The gold standard was briefly suspended during this war.

Then the money changers sharply contracted the money supply, causing the Great Depression; the contraction of money causes a lot of people to default and then the money changers get to acquire homes, farmland and other assets for pennies on the dollar. The Bank of England abolished the gold standard in 1931. The United States held out a little longer but the gold standard was suspended in 1933 when people started hoarding gold and distrusting paper money as banks started to fail; on top of this, the money changers had the U.S. government confiscate people’s gold.

After World War II ended, the world’s currencies were tied to the U.S. dollar, which maintained a gold standard. By 1968, the money changers had separated the value of gold traded between central banks from that traded publicly. In 1971, the the gold standard for the U.S. dollar was abandoned as it had served its purpose.

It should be clear… Anyone who advocates a gold standard as a solution to our monetary woes is either ignorant, an ethnic and/or an agent of the money changers.

Posted by J Richards on July 22, 2011, 03:41 AM | #

Haller,

Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises: of what value are ethnic economists?

You referred me to Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises. Now what would ethnic economists like these two have to offer us? Almost certainly a mix of truth, falsehood and “solutions” that don’t work for non-ethnics.

Rothbard denounced fractional reserve banking, and this was his way of using some truth to establish rapport. But he also spread falsehoods. One of them was that the government monopoly over the issuance and distribution of money was inherently destructive and unethical, but from the time of his birth to his death, the United States government didn’t issue or distribute money (except for coins, which practically doesn’t count because their total value is negligible).

Rothbard also condemned the alleged government-enforced prohibition on citizens using commodity currencies as legal tender, describing this as a ponzi scheme. This is another deception. The United States Constitution prohibits entities other than Congress from issuing money and prevents Congress from delegating this authority to another entity. This means that any statutes or regulations that authorize fractional reserve banking, such as the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, are repugnant to the Constitution and hence void. But we don’t see the government going after banks whereas it goes after the likes of Bernard von NotHaus (the person behind the liberty dollar: coins and certificates based on silver, gold or copper). Why such selective enforcement? Obviously, it’s because the government is controlled by the money changers who must have people use debt-based money issued by the money changers. As noted in the history excerpts above, the money changers have either used a gold (commodity) standard or abandoned it to suit their purposes. So what’s the point of criticizing the government for preventing the public from using a commodity-based legal tender when it’s the money changers making the decisions?

And what were Rothbard’s solutions? One was using a gold standard, which we’ve already seen works for the money changers; Rothbard added that fractional reserve banking should be abolished, but paying lip service to a good idea doesn’t make one’s recommendations sound when the person is lying and deceiving on other counts. The other was a system of “free banks” that are simply a “less efficient” (from the money changers’ perspective) collective of banks as opposed to a central bank that does the same thing. Note that the National Banking Acts of 1863 and 1864 had already established a series of National Banks owned by the money changers that were free of government control.

Rothbard was yet another greasy, rat-faced ethnic working for his fellow money changers.

Ludwig von Mises was similar to Rothbard and the same criticisms apply. He preceded Rothbard with the theory of the business cycle, which goes along the lines of… “undue credit expansion inevitably leads to a gross misallocation of capital resources, triggering unsustainable credit bubbles and, eventually, economic depressions.” The reality is money is being created as debt; more loans [remember, created out of nothing] equals people having all this money to spend, and hence an economic boom, but recalling loans and restricting loans means inadequate money to go around for exchanging goods and services, causing a recession and forcing many to default, thus enabling the money changers to acquire the defaulters’ assets for pennies on the dollar. Nothing mysterious or obscure, but the Mises institute doesn’t explains it in this manner. Contrast the explanation of the current recession by the Mises Institute (http://mises.org/daily/3130) with Patrick Carmack’s explanation (http://www.themoneymasters.com/faqs/).

...and you say, “Their economics is correct, and they have the best economics online bookstore (and article archive) I know of.” These “excellent” resources tell us, among other things, that J. D. Rockefeller and J. P. Morgan have had lots to do with financial shenanigans that are worthy of criticism, but why these two? Why not the ethnic money changers such as the Schiffs, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, the Lehman brothers, the Seligmans, etc.? And why don’t they clarify that the Rothschilds were the ones who loaned J. D. Rockefeller the seed money that he used to monopolize the U.S. oil refinery business, and that it was only later that the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds started competing on some counts and cooperating on others, eventually ending up with a power-sharing arrangement?

Posted by J Richards on July 22, 2011, 03:44 AM | #

Haller,

I should add that if you continue to offer no substance, nonsense and disinformation, then it’ll be clear that you’re in an advanced state of Leonacy. Stop using Hallercinogens and use berg spray now, before it’s too late. Berg spray is non-toxic to Aryans and has so few side effects that it’s even recommended as a prophylactic. The alternative is Hallercide treatment, which has nasty side effects.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 22, 2011, 12:43 PM | #

Come on, Leon. You can do it!

Take a liberal dose of Berg spray, and avert the Hallercaust.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 22, 2011, 04:22 PM | #

KGB wannabes

LMAO @ 4:53 “Fusion Centers have the unique capability to gather and receive information shared by the Federal government and state, local and tribal stakeholders…”?

Posted by Graham_Lister on July 22, 2011, 04:40 PM | #

“We ourselves may be loved only for a brief time… Even so, that will suffice… There is a land for the living and there is a land for the dead.”

Anyone know where the original quote is from?

I know it was on an album cover by ‘British Sea Power’ (in fact the album was called ‘The Decline of British Sea Power’).

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 22, 2011, 04:52 PM | #

“We ourselves may be loved only for a brief time… Even so, that will suffice… There is a land for the living and there is a land for the dead.”

I’m pretty sure that was GW.

Posted by TabuLa Raza on July 22, 2011, 05:08 PM | #

You are a fan of Zarlenga?

Posted by danielj on July 22, 2011, 05:41 PM | #

What is now crystal clear to me is that ethnonationalism and white nationalism must be judenfrei.

I was willing to allow that the V-Dare strategy had some merit but there seems to be some universal law that if one’s organization considers a jewish opinion legitimate, it will eventually be infested, overrun and transformed into an organization concerned with furthering jewish interests.

The recent Tan and Stix confrontations have been enlightening.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 22, 2011, 05:50 PM | #

What is now crystal clear to me is that ethnonationalism and white nationalism must be judenfrei.

Well, aren’t you quick study? Any chance of your sharing this insight with your townsman?

Posted by anon on July 22, 2011, 07:18 PM | #

danielj,

Congratulations. You’ve at last caught up to VNN forumites of ten years ago.

The recent Tan and Stix confrontations have been enlightening.

Where is that?

Posted by Leon Haller on July 22, 2011, 10:03 PM | #

“berg spray”

hahaha ...

Does it come with negrito repellant, too?

Posted by danielj on July 23, 2011, 12:10 AM | #

I’ve always supposed the formulations to be essentially true. I’ve just been hardened in my opposition to all things kike. I’ve made it abundantly clear for about two years that my position on the matter is a more severe version of the Nuremberg Laws for America.

Over at Mangan’s.

Jimmy,

As soon as I fix my computer. I can’t stand commenting with this cell phone. That is why they have been so short and riddled with errors as of late.

Posted by J Richards on October 21, 2011, 08:16 AM | #

Haller added to the discussion on the gold standard and the Austrian school in reply to my comment on another thread: http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/octopi_wall_street#c116327

Haller’s comment is now moved here so that it’s seen in the proper context, which’s this discussion.

Posted by Leon Haller on October 21, 2011, 08:32 AM | #

@Richards

What does it matter who’s been commenting here longer between you and I?

“between you and me” ... (sigh) ... it makes a big difference. You are not MR’s moderator, site owner, etc. Therefore, what you want to be done, think should be done, etc, is totally irrelevant. You have no standing to criticize me, and that quite apart from your general stupidity and suffocatingly insular-conspiracist outlook.

Don’t post essays by others and lengthy excerpts in the comments unless there’s no online source. If you find an online source, link to it. This goes for others, too. Just after your reply to me you posted a comment that you posted at the Atlantic when you could’ve just linked to the article and asked us to read your comment. And again the comment’s about the same issues you’ve repeatedly posted on. Many blogs explicitly prohibit lengthy excerpts, whole articles in the comments and repetitions ad nauseum as it’s bad etiquette. In your case it’s more egregious as you deflect attention from the real issues.

The comment I had made at Atlantic is directly relevant to the substance of this thread. Indeed, it is extremely useful and clarifying - far more than nearly anything else on this thread (except, of course, earlier comments by me). I am one of the very few here who ever does get at the “real issues”. Certainly, you don’t have a clue what they are.

What do you mean by my type? I support private property and the free market. I also prefer capitalism and a small government. And don’t bring up irrelevancies by mentioning [third world] immigration and affirmative action. See any regulars here who favor these? So why do I think that you’re malicious?

By “type” I meant one, like some others here (XPWA, GenoType), who is sympathetic to the easily discoverable leftist hooligans in the OWS movement (point of this thread, recall?).

The point of my writing here on this thread is in part to help others understand the political limits of any sort of nationalist economics (again, note that I am practically the only one actually writing on that subject that GW has brought up several times recently as one needing theoretical development).

I don’t want the private sector to create and control money. A government elected by the people should create money as a debt-free public utility for the exchange of goods and services, and control the money supply. The wealth remains in the hands of the public (private property in the form of goods, services, possessions such as houses or vehicles), people are free to loan, invest or bet, but they loan a dollar for each dollar they possess, invest a dollar for each dollar they possess and bet a dollar for each dollar they possess, i.e., private individuals or entities don’t create money in any form. This is the solution to the economic mess, fully consistent with capitalism and the free market. For instance, if the amount of goods and services increases, the government will increase the money supply in tandem to facilitate the purpose of their exchange, and the government is thus just in charge of the utility for exchange but doesn’t own the goods and services being exchanged and doesn’t bother with the exchange process apart from checking criminal activity.

1. Of course the private sector must evolve money. It is the only possible rational monetary system. Money originated on the free market (read Mises, The Theory of Money and Credit), before being seized by governments.

2. What is meant by a “debt-free public utility”?

3. What you are talking about here is exactly what Rothbard (and I, following him) advocated, namely, the abolition of fractional reserve banking, which Rothbard called “inherently fraudulent”, and should be prosecuted as the digital equivalent of counterfeiting (or maybe coin-clipping). The only difference is that you think govt should control the money supply, and we believe that money should be allowed to be treated as a commodity, and thus the quantity of money should be determined by the intersection of supply and demand, as with any other commodity. Any commodity could serve as money, but historically, the free market coalesced around the gold standard, and I think the state should reestablish such by legislation, though without legal tender laws (thus people should be completely free to use anything they want as money, alongside the official gold standard). After some period of time, the state can then remove the official requirement of a gold standard, and simply allow any money the people want. (The concern is that if govt just suddenly ceased using the dollar, without first moving to an official commodity money standard, people would become completely discombobulated, and economic calculations and price settings would be needlessly erratic for the adjustment period.)

4. When you write this if the amount of goods and services increases, the government will increase the MS in tandem to facilitate the purpose of their exchange, you reveal your basic monetary misunderstanding. How does the govt know how much to increase the MS? By what standard? Are you advocating something akin to the Friedmanite “quantity theory of money rule”?

5. The libertarians have a huge literature on the evils of govt control of the money supply. If instead of the bankers’ Fed, “the people” controlled the MS, I suspect there would be a constant bias towards ‘loose money’ for falsely understood ‘employment expansion’, as well as discharge of justifiable debts in debased currency. The true “people’s money” is whatever money arises on the free market.

But your trail of postings deflects from this issue and you blame overspending when no amount of spending reduction will overcome a debt problem created by money being created as debt, point the finger at impotent individuals such as Obama when the bankers are running the show [by proxy], shift the blame to illegal aliens who cost us in the billions whereas Wall Street/private banking costs us in the trillions [not to mention the immigration problem they’ve created to undermine ethnic solidarity in the Western world against their schemes], and promote solutions that keep these malicious bankers in power [e.g., gold standard]. There’s much more to your malice but this is what’s relevant to the post.

The overspending problem is that the Federal Govt spends more money than it receives in tax revenues (duh). To pay for the difference it issues debt. This is not the same problem as the Fed and bankers inflating the system through fractional reserve. The US president is hardly impotent (that is pure ideology talking). Wall Street and the banks have not cost us trillions (unless you’re referring to TARP, which I and every libertarian opposed, and which funds have mostly been repaid). WS did not create the immigration invasion (though I agree re undermining Western solidarity). The gold standard is the arch enemy of the banking establishment.

You are living in a kind of psychic bubble, completely cut off from reality.

Posted by GenoType on October 21, 2011, 01:48 PM | #

Leon,

By “type” I meant one, like some others here (XPWA, GenoType), who is sympathetic to the easily discoverable leftist hooligans in the OWS movement (point of this thread, recall?).

Your mischaracterization of our position is not only typical of CapnNutter’s but is characteristic of all the literary movement’s Walter Mittys.

Have a nice day and good luck with your studies in Catholic Theology.

Posted by J Richards on October 21, 2011, 04:27 PM | #

@Haller

I don’t have to be the website owner or a moderator to point out that you’ve been violating some basic rules of commenting etiquette. If you don’t change then one day GW’ll tell you to behave and then you either heed or leave.

I’ll address what’s relevant to the discussion above.

#1. So the private sector must evolve money? They’ve been doing it and the general public’s been suffering for a thousand years (about as long as fractional reserve baking’s been in existence), with a brief respite for some periods when a government took control of the money supply or when the bankers created an economic bubble by loaning more money (created out of nothing) as part of their money grubbing schemes.

Regarding the Mises school of thought, their malice is addressed above, to which you haven’t adequately responded.

Regarding money being seized by the government, this is either ignorant or malicious, and knowing you, it isn’t ignorance. For nearly a century now, the only money being created by the United States government comprises of coins issued by the Treasury. The dollar value of these coins is a negligible fraction of the U.S. debt or economy. And before the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, it wasn’t like the U.S. government was creating all the money. There’ve been numerous bank wars in the United States, some of which are referred to above and the rest you can learn about in the money masters video.

#2. What is meant by a “debt-free public utility”? Like GW said, 5 minutes on a computer, entering the numbers that shall constitute money, created with a few key strokes, which is how the bankers create money, except that the bankers do so when people ask them for a loan whereas the government will do so to facilitate people exchanging goods and services among themselves.

Let’s consider a farmer who wants to buy a stereo. The bankers want the farmer to borrow money to buy the stereo, and the owner of the stereo to borrow money to buy food from the farmer, and the farmer to borrow money to rent space to sell food so that he can pay his debt to the bankers… the bankers create the loans out of nothing.

A government creating debt-free money would give the farmer bills/paper money/electronic money that it determines his food’s value is and would give the stereo owner money that his stereos are worth. This money’s of no intrinsic worth, but it can be used to exchange goods and services that have some worth (food, stereo and rent space in our case). So the farmer uses the money the government gave him to rent space and then he sells food to the stereo owner to earn money, which the stereo owner obtained from the government, and then the farmer buys a stereo. So no one’s in debt and the government created the money out of nothing.

#3. By no means am I exactly talking about the same thing that Rothbard and you have advocated, namely the abolition of fractional reserve banking. As I showed above, Rothbard was a greasy Jew and paid lip service to monetary reform, and his version’s just a different way to keep the bankers in power.

On the topic of treating money as a commodity, name one commodity that could be used as money and either the bankers have most of it (e.g., gold) or could obtain most of it and remain in power. If a commodity isn’t used as money but money itself is a commodity then if this money’s issued by private parties, the parties issuing it will ensure that they retain most of it. Money as a commodity doesn’t work for the public but only for the banking minority in power.

#4. How does the government know when to increase the money supply? Very simple. Err on the side of caution and adjust afterward. Details here (Sec. 7. FUTURE MONETARY GROWTH) : http://www.themoneymasters.com/monetary-reform-act/

It’s not that I lack basic monetary understanding, but that you’d only have a system in place that keeps the bankers in power.

#5. I don’t care if the libertarians have a huge literature on the evils of government control of the money supply [authored by bankers/Jews and their acolytes], what matters is if this can be demonstrated, and it hasn’t been. Whenever the government took control of the money supply in at least substantial part, prosperity has followed or the bankers have tried their best to wreak economic or military havoc to wrest back control of money. I dare you to refute the thesis of the money masters website. You can’t as all their essential arguments are very well documented and remain unrefuted more than a decade after their original DVD was released.

OTHER ARGUMENTS

You’ve stated

The overspending problem is that the Federal Govt spends more money than it receives in tax revenues (duh). To pay for the difference it issues debt.

Your malice is revealed on two counts here. The tax revenues go toward paying the government’s debt in large part, a debt the government would largely be free of if it issued its own money and prohibited the bankers from issuing money. Secondly, the government doesn’t issue debt to pay for the difference between what it spends and its tax revenue; the government issues bonds, which are promises to pay [again, the coins issued by the U.S. government are debt-free but their vale is so miniscule that they don’t cover the budget deficit].

Private parties buy these Treasury bonds. If the private parties are not affiliated with banks, then they buy bonds using money issued by banks, which represents debt, and if the bonds are bought by central banks (10% of the Treasury bonds), then the bankers create the money to buy these bonds out of nothing by electronically updating the bank accounts of the buyers who’ve purchased Treasury bonds. Private banks who receive these electronic updates then issue 9 times the amount in loans, all created out of nothing. So 10% of the annual budget deficit is created, as debt, by the Federal Reserve and the remaining 90%’s created, as debt, by other private banks. Only an ignorant or malicious individual would argue that it’s the government issuing debt to cover its budget deficit, and you’re not ignorant.

As said by many individuals, if the government can issue bonds, it can issue bank notes, thus creating debt-free money, and this is exactly what needs to be done if we’re going to be free of the banking parasites.

Regarding Wall street not creating the immigration invasion, Wall Street’s under Jewish control and therefore a predominantly Jewish entity, and it’s well documented that Organized Jewry’s the instrumental factor behind the immigration problem: http://majorityrights.com/uploads/Jews-and-immigration-MacDonald.pdf

Posted by Graham_Lister on October 21, 2011, 04:42 PM | #

To be fair Leon Haller has admitted in the past to having many good Jewish friends and associates - the extended phenotype at work?

Posted by Jimmy Marr on October 21, 2011, 05:20 PM | #

extended phenotype at work?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Posted by J Richards on October 21, 2011, 09:00 PM | #

@Graham_Lister

Having many good Jewish friends and associates isn’t indicative of being an extended Jewish phenotype. Even I have some Jewish friends. Individuals should be distinguished from groups, and one who does so can dislike a group while maintaining friendly relations with some members of this group.

Posted by Ryan on October 21, 2011, 09:19 PM | #

You can be a Jewish extended phenotype without ever even coming across a Jew. There are other routes of transmission such as electronic and literary media.

Posted by Graham_Lister on October 22, 2011, 01:26 AM | #

Well I was kinda joking. Personally I don’t have any Jewish friends (that I know of) but each to their own.

Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on October 22, 2011, 07:28 AM | #

Your (i.e. Leon Haller’s) mischaracterization of our position is not only typical of CapnNutter’s

The other day Leon was boasting that no one had any rejoinder to him over OWS. I briefly pointed out to him I was among the first here to expose the faux progressive - Jewish nature of the OWS street theater.

And Leon comes right back the next day with such a false statement.

Behavior like this is why I peg him as a cultist. Someone else once described the methods of a Jewish street propagandist as being very similar. Even after being refuted the Jew came right back the next day making the same discredited assertions.

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