Socialist Germany:  The old is new again

Posted by seelow heights on November 26, 2005, 11:40 PM | #

I’ve finally turned against you. Your anti-nationalism is indistinguishable from the crazy left and your Nazi fixation is getting very tiresome.

Posted by ben tillman on November 26, 2005, 11:44 PM | #

Schon wieder?

Posted by Al Ross on November 27, 2005, 12:24 AM | #

In Dr Ray’s political lexicon there must be a word for a non-socialist nationalist who is antipathetic to Jewish group-interests.

Posted by Guessedworker on November 27, 2005, 05:48 AM | #

John, how about some balance here.  Let’s have a piece from you on the mysticism of individualism.  I don’t mean that individualism which is the sociobiological fulcrum twixt African anarchy and Chinese conformity, nor that individualism which, with other regrettable characteristics, divides Man from the eternal.  I mean the fake, free individualism which is the end-product of liberalism of the left and right, and which in no small manner is propelling Europeans towards extinction.

Posted by John J Ray on November 27, 2005, 07:08 AM | #

“the mysticism of individualism”

In the end we all make value judgments, some better informed than others and some more innately influenced than others and I am one of those who judge respect for the individual to be the best foundation for a civil society.  You can call that mystical but I call it the lesson of history.

“Your anti-nationalism is indistinguishable from the crazy left”

To be against Nazism is hardly to be against all nationalism!

I regard patriotism as a natural human response and that is now a mainstream view even among psychologists—who are generally left-leaning—and so am not critical of it at all.

But nationalim in the sense of one nation trying to force its will on another is anathema to me

Posted by John J Ray on November 27, 2005, 07:10 AM | #

“In Dr Ray’s political lexicon there must be a word for a non-socialist nationalist who is antipathetic to Jewish group-interests”

Sure:  antisemite

Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 27, 2005, 11:49 AM | #

JJR, it is thoroughly objectionable for you to disregard GW’s rules and post item after item on Nazism and the “Jewish Question”, when you know perfectly well that they only attract kooks. I hope I speak for GW when I say that we do NOT want this site to become dominated by kooks. It is therefore objectionable when you try to make it so.

GW, you need to do a deal with JJR that he won’t post Nazi or JQ material more than once a month (that’s either/or) or lose his posting privileges. That’s not an overall limit for the site, quite; but others may occasionally wish to post such material.

Posted by Søren Renner on November 27, 2005, 01:07 PM | #

I second Mr Hutchinson’s motion.

Posted by J Richards on November 27, 2005, 01:44 PM | #

JJR: I believe that there was some suggestion that posts about Nazism should be strictly limited here.  I can see some point in that but I cannot see that posts which mock Nazism do much harm:

John, posts that mock Nazism are still about Nazism!  Once again, please wait till the forums are up.  For all I care, you can post daily entries on Nazism and the JQ in the forums, but you need to limit your posts on these topics at the blog.

Posted by Svigor on November 27, 2005, 05:59 PM | #

believe that there was some suggestion that posts about Nazism should be strictly limited here.  I can see some point in that but I cannot see that posts which mock Nazism do much harm:

Translation: me trolling is okay.

But a historian from Ludwigshafen has provoked an uproar with his discovery that the same “Du Bist Deutschland” cry was used at Nazi rallies in the 1930s.

Later Ludwigshafen discovered that the Nazis used indoor plumbing and suggested that Germans all sew their assholes shut when he discovered that the Nazis, too, crapped through their sphincters.

Posted by Al Ross on November 27, 2005, 07:42 PM | #

JJ Ray

I was, of course, waiting for that response. My ‘anti-semtism’ is purely rational and is based on the evidence of Jewish group-behaviour towards White hosts throughout the ages. I support Israel’s right to exist and wish no ill-will upon its residents. If Dr Ray embarked upon a pub-crawl and was thrown out of the first pub by locals who took against him, we may treat that as an unfortunate aberration and absolve the good doctor of blame. If however, he succeeded, despite his infinitely laid-back persona, in being unceremoniously ejected from all ten pubs on his itinerary whilst perpetually bleating about anti-Rayism, we would probably be justified in questioning his adherence to correct behaviour.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 27, 2005, 09:13 PM | #

” ‘But a historian from Ludwigshafen has provoked an uproar with his discovery that the same “Du Bist Deutschland” cry was used at Nazi rallies in the 1930s.’  Later [a historian from] Ludwigshafen discovered that the Nazis used indoor plumbing and suggested that Germans all sew their assholes shut when he discovered that the Nazis, too, crapped through their sphincters.”  (—Svigor)

Exactly!  John, the young generation of Germans all want to disappear—want to be extinguished from the face of the earth because of the guilt for their past that’s been drummed into them from nursery school on.  What more do you want of them?  Are they bothering anyone?  I can’t see how they are.  They bother some kinds of people merely by drawing breath but do we all have to take that attitude?  Enough already with this German guilt stuff, no?  Enough.  Let them recover now, and rejoin the world community as normals for the first time since, what—1933?  1919?  Someone trying to instill some healthy national self-love in the present generation of Germans can’t say, “You are Germany”???  If Hitler said Guten Morgen no one can ever say it again?  Puh-LEEEZE already with this stuff!  It’s crap and Svigor called it perfectly in his comment—gave it the treatment it deserved.  Let us all know when the Germans will be permitted to breathe again—or will their oxygen continue to be cut off indefinitely until their entire race and nation are dust?  I mean, even Arthur “Bomber” Harris knew when to call it off—he judged it was over in 1945.  Don’t some other people think it’s over yet, in 2005???  People keep pushing this anti-German stuff sixty years after the war and they’re going to produce one thing more than anything else, and that’s a lot of others who will for the first time in their lives start figuring out there were two sides, not one, to what caused World War I, two sides, not one, to what caused World War II, and yes, perhaps even two sides, not one, to what caused the Nazis as well (Hitler said there were forces in the world that wanted to strangle Germany and he saw himself as engaging in self-defense:  that sure looks like what we’re seeing today; and you know, the current forced race-replacement crisis going on throughout the West has been referred to as “Hitler’s revenge” and with damned good reason).  That’s all you’re going to end up producing with this stuff.  You keep stuffing people with it and after a while they’re going to start vomiting it back up—all over you who stuffed them with it in the first place.
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—Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!
—Balkanization is better then Brazilianization!
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1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act

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Posted by ben tillman on November 27, 2005, 11:59 PM | #

...and I am one of those who judge respect for the individual to be the best foundation for a civil society.

No, JR, you are not.  That is not what you believe; your writings make that clear.  If you believed that, you would discriminate carefully.  You would not support Chinese immigration to Australia, at least not before satisfying yourself that Chinese immigrants share that crucial “respect”.

Posted by JBB on November 30, 2005, 02:31 AM | #

Go git’em, Fred. Man, look at the feathers fly. Just one question though.

Didn’t you guys dog-pile some dude not long back for just showing pictures of Uncle Adi and Obersalzburg? Made him skeedattle, as I recall.

Posted by PCA on November 30, 2005, 04:01 AM | #

I understand JRR’s point entirely.

It is to dismantle the myth that Nazi Germany is force of the ‘right’ and a consequence of its unfettered dominance.

The real Nazi propaganda, is today not from the Nazis, but the selective interpretation it is given by socialist leaning (who dominate all social studies) historians; and the lessons they believe it provides for the ‘modern’ (which I assumes means western) world.

This is not only a MYTH, that causes great damage to the right, but it is probably one of the more breathtakingly hypocritical stances the left takes.

To me the ‘Nazi’ question for the right is far more important, than the any supposed ‘Jewish’ question.

The left continue to bash the right with it in the minds of the general public, but we should be bashing the left with it. The fact that this premise is universally unchallenged by the media is simply amazing.

I think that is the point JRR is trying to make and I for one support him.

Posted by Guessedworker on November 30, 2005, 08:33 AM | #

So do I, PCA, and he knows that.  But in our times the JQ is meat one must ration or nothing but the carnivorous will read us, and that is not our professed purpose.