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Nazis at Cronulla? By their flag ye shall know themNote the report below:
A lot of Australia’s Leftists are getting a great thrill out of having some real racists to bash but for once the media report is pretty accurate. The few real racists around did of course turn out for the anti-Muslim campaign but they were only a drop in the bucket as far as the totality of those participating was concerned. And as someone who has been researching Australian neo-Nazis for many years (See here and here) it surprises me not a bit that they took no part in the fighting. Most of them value their skins too much for that.
The amusing part is that the “Nazis” used the Eureka flag (white Southern Cross on a blue background) to advertise themselves. Australian Nazis normally use the Australian flag or a swastika flag. For many years in Australia, the Eureka flag has been the favoured icon of Australia’s small “revolutionary” LEFT —because it was first flown in a rebellion against authority by miners in 1854. So it would not surprise me to find that many of the “Nazis” are in fact ex-Trotskyists. Trotsky is of course associated with internationalism rather than nationalism but, for far-Leftists, hate is their only real motivation, with ideology being a superstructure that can be (and sometimes is) changed at will. The change from anti-Nazi to pro-Nazi and then back to anti-Nazi attitudes among Australian and American Communists in the 1939 to 1941 period may be recollected. And from history, Trotsky is certainly a superlative example of hate in action. The Nazis at least used to take prisoners of war. Trotsky didn’t. Those he captured while he ran the Red army were simply executed. And, as the always well-informed Keith Windschuttle points out, Australia’s best-known “racist”, Andrew Fraser, is a Marxist academic of Trotskyite origins who is supported by other Marxist academics. And, as is often noted, in Hitler’s Germany a lot of the “Red” street thugs made the conversion to being Nazi street thugs with great ease. They just swapped one form of socialism for another. And the antisemitism of the modern-day Left is also well-known, of course. The more things change the more they stay the same. Posted by jonjayray on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 at 12:14 AM in National Socialism Comments:2
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 01:10 AM | # The focus on “Neo Nazis” is the Left’s way of dealing with situations that cannot otherwise be explained. So the Lebanese harrassment of white Australians has nothing to do with it, the gang rapes have nothing to do with it, its all becase of the “Nazis” orchestrating it in the background. And as someone who has been researching Australian neo-Nazis for many years (See here and here) it surprises me not a bit that they took no part in the fighting. Most of them value their skins too much for that. That should be obvious to anyone not blinded by left-wing fanaticism and irrationality. Anyone who declares himself a “Neo Nazi” is most likely on the police’s radar in any event. A little slip up is all that is needed to wind up in prison. 3
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 05:41 AM | #
There is no mention of this in any of the media. 4
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 05:54 AM | #
note they share the same website 5
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 06:18 AM | # Not really, Simon. A handful of Neo-Nazis turning up does not equate to association, ie a commonality of aims, for the rest. I would say it is inevitable that dross of this sort would try to associate itself with popular expressions, that’s all. 6
Posted by Drop bear on December 14, 2005, 08:53 AM | # Simon, your knowledge of the legal system is as naive as your understanding of ethnic conflict. You said: There is no mention of this in any of the media. Also our legal system doesn’t work that quickly, nobody could ever be convicted of any crime in just 4 days. Here’s the report of the guy being jailed for four months. 7
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 10:07 AM | #
The sentencing of that guy to four months for carrying, as Andrew said, a stick, is incredible. It didn’t say he hit anyone or even assaulted (i.e., made a threatening gesture as if to hit) anyone with it. Four months in prison for holding it in his hand? It only shows how afraid of whites these people are—people like Simon: they’re scared-stiff of whites waking up (anyone notice, btw, how Simon in the other thread denied the mainstream media have a left-wing bias?—denial of that in the U.S. is done solely by the most extreme left-wing radicals). Normally it would have to be at least some sort of firearm to fetch that kind of punishment. And even then, it still wouldn’t get the guy four months—thirty days, maybe? But it wasn’t a firearm—wasn’t an illegal hand gun, wasn’t a sawn-off shotgun; and he didn’t use it on anyone or gesture as if to use it, because it says he was sentenced to four months in jail “for possessing an offensive implement in a public place,” that’s all—for having in his hand a stick, as Andrew said. It says he was arrested Monday—so he was sentenced in only two or three days. This guy Morris Iemma, who approved of the incredibly swift summary punishment meted out by this kangaroo court, looks like the Oz version of David Blunkett. What kind of name is Iemma, by the way—it wouldn’t be Lebanese, would it? (My guess is Latvian—but that’s still not Anglo-Saxon, is it? ... Might he harbor his own ... ethnic prejudices, perhaps? ... Hey just asking ...) Incidentally, in the other thread it was either “Sam” or “Kieran” who attacked someone for speculating about the spread of racial conflict in Oz, saying there’d been absolutely none of that and wouldn’t be, I think he said. Well, the following article article (which I happened to see in the link Drop Bear posted) implies something a little different:
______ Such attacks are extremely deplorable and totally unacceptable, it of course goes without saying. But whose fault are they, really? Are they the fault of frustrated whites some of whom may not be “the brightest bulbs on the tree” as the expression goes and have for decades been not only ignored but forbidden to speak out publicly in any other way, as they see themselves deliberately dispossessed by what amounts to totalitiarian government policies? Or are they the fault of the ones shoving those policies down people’s throats? It seems to me there’s more than one party that needs to be brought to book in this matter. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell Repatriation ! 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act : the gift that keeps on giving! 8
Posted by Drop bear on December 14, 2005, 11:02 AM | # Fred, Iemma’s electorate has a significant number of Muslim voters and his party knows it might face a difficult election, in which case it couldn’t afford to lose Muslim votes. However in a press conference after the Lebanese violence in Maroubra and Cronulla, Iemma seemed genuinely angry at groups he described as waging war on our society and laws. The claims by Lebanese muslims in other states that they have suffered racist attacks have been dismissed by police as exagerations. 9
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 11:35 AM | #
Well all right, but ... in the States we have an expression, “Whistling past the graveyard” ... (I don’t know if you have that expression down there ... if not, it’s sort of self-explanatory ...) BTW thanks for that link vindicating Andrew and setting Simon straight ... Moratorium-plus-Repatriation! 10
Posted by jlh on December 14, 2005, 12:17 PM | # The focus on “Neo Nazis” is the Left’s way of dealing with situations that cannot otherwise be explained. Phil makes a good point, and one that has been made before, but from a slightly different angle. Some of us tried to point out, a while back during the Geoff Beck dustup, that the pro-white movement can’t make any real inroads if it is constantly on the defensive when it is linked to naziism, but we basically got flamed out of here. 11
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 02:35 PM | #
What against Debnam & the Libs??? Lakemba has always been one of the safest Labor seats in the country. 12
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 02:58 PM | #
Latvians aren’t white:wow: .... well I’ll be Morris Iemma is the son of Italian immigrants…. but you don’t like them either…even though the anglo saxon christian culture has its origins with the Italians. Fred Scrooby keeps repeating he is not Australian…so he must be a wog…. btw Fred hows your cunt for blood?
Recalling parliament on the issue is rather genuine I reckon…. proves he’s a right winger too. “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” Benjamin Franklin 13
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 03:08 PM | # jlh: Some of us tried to point out, a while back during the Geoff Beck dustup, that the pro-white movement can’t make any real inroads if it is constantly on the defensive when it is linked to naziism, but we basically got flamed out of here. That’s because you were wrong. Neo-Nazism is for people like Amalek who have a primary purpose not of saving Western Man but of cleansing the stains of guilt from the Germanic soul. I think that’s an exercise in vanity. They’ll have to deal with their anger some other way. But I’ve got no time for it getting in my way, and nor should you. In any case, there is no guilt attaching to the Germanic soul - and if there was, turning Adolf and the boys into OK guys again wouldn’t help. A case for National Socialism can be argued within Germany’s borders. Any fool who ponces around with NS outside Germany is just providing Jewry and the liberal establishment with a handy weapon without saying one positive damned thing from our point of view. 14
Posted by jlh on December 14, 2005, 03:44 PM | # Guessedworker, Yes, I see your point. I agree that donning nazi regalia does our side no good. But how do we defuse the “you guys are nazis” bomb when they throw it at us? Some poster at AmRen put the case very well when he commented that the left in general is all about “moving society ever leftward to prevent another Hitler.” On another post I left on this blog a while back, I tried to make the point that a perceived need on the part of America to save the refugees of the world from the horrors of totalitarianism, as if we were responsible for it, underlay a lot of the move left. But that point was ignored. Was I wrong that time as well? How are we supposed to get around this Hitler bugaboo? What’s the cure for the paradox that some of the most ardent pro-whites types are the ones who make us look the worst? 15
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 04:19 PM | # From www.muslimvillage.net - a Sydney Islamic community website: “Its gang attitudes that started this and will keep it fuelled. You people have no respect for Allah, don’t kid yourselves.” “This shit is growing so fast that I doubt the police can handle. Now all we have to do is wait in for a retaliation (which I hope wont happen) from the other side. We don’t try bash people to gain territory, we’re not living in the prehistoric era, grow up.” From www.realsurf.com. “I feel sorry for the majority of ‘middle eastern appearance’ people who just come to the beach and enjoy themselves,” a realsurf.com forum writer said. “Not sure that everyone down there would be willing to differentiate between them and the small number of dickheads that have spawned this whole sordid mess.” 16
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 04:57 PM | # I have seen the pictures, read the text messages, and heard the commentary, but I am not buying these race riot claims. It’s not because I don’t believe Australia is a racist society. A quick read of the comments on this and other sites, quickly establish that it is. And it’s not because I don’t think there is tension between different ethnic groups in Sydney, because the undeniable fact is, there is. The reason I have rejected the description of the violence in Sydney as race riots is because it is a description that is too kind to the people who have taken part. The young men who rampaged through Cronulla and Maroubra, and a few of the suburbs in between, were not interested in anything as abstract as their race. They were simply exercising their own capacity to hurt and destroy when there is no danger, and run and hide when there is. That crowd in Cronulla on Sunday didn’t care about the Shire, or any of the people who live in it. They simply indulged themselves in a gratuitous orgy of mob violence for the simple reason that they could. They weren’t defending Australian values; they were defending the brittle skeleton of self-esteem that holds their vanilla flavoured existence together. The same can be said for the mob who smashed car windows and terrorised families in Maroubra. These people weren’t defending the honour of Lebanese culture. They were spitting on the legacy of prosperity that their own parents, through years of hard work, bestowed to all of us. They weren’t defending their race; they were attempting to inflate the tepid ego that drives their insecure existence. I am sure the protagonists indulging in the violence in Sydney this week believe they are talking part in a race riot. They need to believe it because it is a rationalisation of the self inflicted anger and frustration that is the modest elixir of their self obsessed lives. Australian life is not perfect; we do have a big problem with racism in this country. But that does not mean we should hand these sad men the ideological excuse they are looking for to explain their meaningless actions. 17
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 14, 2005, 05:04 PM | # Simon, Australia isn’t perfect, but racism certainly isn’t your #1 problem. As a fat unfit straight WASP I would be VERY nervous of going near a Sydney beach—it has always seemed to me an utterly repellent culture. 18
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 05:17 PM | # 2 very interesting opinions 19
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 05:21 PM | # jlh, You are looking at this all wrong and too defensively. Nobody, not the most fervent Jewish Holocaustiac, can say Phil or Mark or Johan are Nazis. It’s patently stupid and every time such stupidity is visited on thinking Conservatives like them the poverty of the accusation becomes clearer and its power less. And actually there’s nothing that a Jew-obsessed Neo-Nazi can say in defence of the West that Phil, Mark and Johan can’t say in a manner immeasurably more likely to get through to the listener. I’ve been at this blogging game for quite a while now and I don’t recall anybody calling me a Nazi to my face. I have certainly been called a racist behind my back - at Samizdata, an uber-libertarian blog, and at a UK Lib-dem blog among others. But, again, it’s an extremely childish accusation that can be taken to pieces with a few simply questions. As for the object of the left, I think that quote from Amren is interesting but probably only really applies to organised Jewry. The left is not monolithic, and there are many right-liberals and Conservatives who are as fervently anti-Nazi as they come. 20
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 05:22 PM | # Martin, 21
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 05:28 PM | # Martin, Aussie beach culture and drinking is besides the point. Every race, every people, every ethnic group have the right to live in peace - at a minimum. To be intimidated by thugs on beaches, to have women called “sluts” and to have them gangraped regularly are outrages that no healthy society should put up with. Btw, is there anything uniquely interesting about Islamic Lebanese culture other than some of their food? I think not. 23
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 05:40 PM | #
It is exactly the same as the Australian Christian one… oudoor barbies with family and friends, working class and aspirational, stuggling to make ends meet
Anita Cobby, Janine Balding, Leigh Leigh, Bulldogs in Coffs Harbour, Sydney Swans in Adelaide, St Kilda FC, Ingham Qld…. Just in case you’ve forgotten 24
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 05:55 PM | # Simon, you are so weak and simple-minded in a way it’s cruel to do this to you. But I’m afraid I’ve had enough of your gaily smearing things you manifestly do not understand. If you are going to do that on my website you’ll have to explain yourself properly. So I am going to break my earlier vow of detachment from you on the grounds that you hate yourself. Let’s play. This is a game where I ask you questions and you answer them. But ... you do answer them. None of this left-wing comfort blanket stuff where you pretend nobody’s cornered you and just carry on with your received liberal wisdom. So, first question ... let’s find out what you actually know, if anything. Do you, Sister Superior, think that ordinary folk’s preference for people of their own kind is driven by Nature or by racism? 25
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 05:56 PM | # Actually, I stand corrected. I find the endless bloody civil war in Lebanon interesting from an academic perspective. But I wouldn’t want my city or neighbourhood to turn into Beirut, obviously. 27
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:02 PM | # Many people tend to consider Muslims to be soooo different to the rest of us… the truth is that the majority are just like us… they don’t pray 5 times a day, they don’t go to the mosque (in our case church), they drink, smoke, have sex before marraige, swear, read, watch tv, listen to the radio, sit in front of their computers, have trouble affording petrol and other living expenses, love their kids, families, friends and pets, get on with their neighbours (for the most part, just like us), go to work, shcool, uni, tafe or are unemplyed or retired… they run businesses, go shopping, eat things which they know they shouldn’t, go on diets (or not), go to the gym and participate in or watch sports (or not)... politically they range from far right to far left with the majority being centreist or, just like us, apathetic abotu the political process. Everyone here would have so much more in common with your average muslim than they would with the likes of George Pell, Gordon Moyes, Fred Nile, Brian Houston, Pet Robertson or Jerry Falwell. Most muslims would have a lot more in common with you than the likes of Abu Bashir, Keysar Trad and Osama Bin Laden. The sooner both sides realise this the better. 28
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:12 PM | #
Neither…I dont agree that people prefer to be with people of “their own kind”. 29
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 06:14 PM | # Many people tend to consider Muslims to be soooo different to the rest of us… the truth is that the majority are just like us… they don’t pray 5 times a day, they don’t go to the mosque (in our case church), they drink, smoke, have sex before marraige, swear, read, watch tv, listen to the radio, sit in front of their computers, have trouble affording petrol and other living expenses, love their kids, families, friends and pets, get on with their neighbours (for the most part, just like us), go to work, shcool, uni, tafe or are unemplyed or retired… they run businesses, go shopping, eat things which they know they shouldn’t, go on diets (or not), go to the gym and participate in or watch sports (or not)... politically they range from far right to far left with the majority being centreist or, just like us, apathetic abotu the political process. No wonder its those damned Mormons doing Suicide bombings from New York to Bali. (chuckle) 30
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 06:18 PM | # Embracing “diversity” is now the greatest human good imaginable. Far greater than attaining wealth, prosperity or freedom or living as a truly free people. And far greater than freedom from tyranny. Therefore, it matters little that any number of human freedoms from freedom of association to freedom of speech need to be destoryed to sustain that beloved “diversity” lest the whole thing collapse in a cloud of dust. Diversity supposedly transcends the greatest imaginable conditions of human life. It suddenly makes human life somehow “magical”. (chuckle) 31
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:21 PM | # Please don’t forget the Irish Christians in London or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma or Martin Bryant in Port Arthur. 32
Posted by Adam Shapiro on December 14, 2005, 06:23 PM | # Ahhh, I don’t normally frequent blatantly Nazi sites likes this one, but I had to see for my own eyes what my friend Simon was talking about. Understand that centuries of Anti-Semitism has made me loath to see racist haters as yourselves crushing poor, impoverished people of color as is happening in Sydney, but for this case, I’m almost tempted to make an exception. The Lebanese goyim are some of the worst kind, and if we could get away with it I for one would love to nuke them, pre-emptively of course. If we used neutron bombs, like Sam Cohen is always talking about, we wouldn’t even have to bulldoze the houses, just the mosques! After the area was cleansed of militants and the flies do their work, we could move move right into our beautiful new settlements! But I digress… we must try and understand the situation here in Australia. It’s unfortunate that there are some young, obviously uneducated people who are ignoring the dictums of wise Jews like Mordecai Levy and Lev Bronstein, who note that class struggle is the one constant throughout history. After all the slavery forced on poor Africans throughout the years, it is a shame to see treacherous White folk (not that they can actually be called a race, where would we draw the line?) hankering for a redress of “grievances”. What more do they want? They have TV, they have their porn, (not to mention Brittany Spears and Madonna!) and now their liberated women can make love to whoever they want, and if they want to be dominated by Lebanese men occasionally, who can really blame them? And so, we look to a solution in these troubled times. Somehow I don’t think infiltrating some of my activist friends into their midst will work, but perhaps those with non-Jewish features (even if such features are cultural, not racial) might hand out some Socialist literature. It’s worth a shot to swing it the way Lev Bronstein did in Russia, back in the early 1900s. Of course, the whole thing then was spontaneous, the proletariat wanted it and my fellow Jews showed them how to get it. I think the Australian racists and the youth of possibly Middle Eastern appearance are as bad as each other. It’s quite frightening, so here’s what I recommend: I think that if we finally start working together, we will see peace in our time and and finally end hate andviolence. What do you say? I think it’s time to make a stand and fight racism and terror, which are rapidly becoming joined at the hip. Peace, 33
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 06:23 PM | # Please don’t forget the Irish Christians in London or Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma or Martin Bryant in Port Arthur.
I hope you know arithmetic and can count. Now if you can (I make a charitable assumption here), what is the total death toll from Islamic terrorism in the last five years and the death toll from home grown nutcases like McVeigh. 34
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:24 PM | # Phil do you really want “any number of human freedoms from freedom of association to freedom of speech”... or is what you’re asking for better described as “freedom from” 35
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 06:33 PM | # As long as this sack of excrement has the right to spew his diarrhea here I suppose he has to be answered.
They aren’t? Who said they weren’t, Simon?
There are no peoples I dislike.
Do I? I think Simon’s wrong. (Besides, there’d be no need—everyone here knows my nationality.)
That conclusion’s a non sequitur.
I can’t imagine how the site is benefitted—how it’s other than harmed, soiled—by Simon’s “contributions.” All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell Repatriation ! 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act : the gift that keeps on giving! 36
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:35 PM | # It will take me a long while to add up all the people the Irish Christians killed in their many years of havoc in Endland, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and other parts of the world. 37
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 06:37 PM | # Simon, In your diversity saturated world, freedom is irrelevant if you can get a nice warm feeling to flatter your vanity that you are “tolerant” and morally superior. In addition, you are obviously a racist hypocrite. You said earlier that Australia was created by racist colonisation. Therefore, you shouldn’t live in Australia even if other people continue to live there (because they dont preach about “racism” as much as you do). But what we have in you is not just racism but perverse racism. You live in a country that has now been throughly colonised so that your opinions have no immediate consequences for you. And you keep enjoying all of the benefits that this entails (benefits that would not be available if the aborigines had not been killed and their land hadn’t been grabbed). So lets see now, you use the tragedy of the aboriginal for your own personal benefit while continuing to live in a country that you call racist. That doesn’t surprise me in the least. The morality of most liberals is basically skin deep and is driven by range of the moment benefits that spouting such opinions bring. If you were truly serious in your anti-racism (which you decidedly are not), you would leave Australia for good. This may not bring justice to the aboriginal but it would mean that you aren’t feasting off his misforture. But you wont. Because your morality is more about telling others how you are morally superior to anyone else. Its got nothing to do with taking a principled position on “racism”. And I should say that that ends our discussion because your arguments are insincere and facile. They are devoid of any real moral character. Your deeds dont match your words. Spouting Leftist cliches is all you do - like all Leftists. 38
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:39 PM | # So come on Fred…how is your cunt for blood…did ya get that big muslim cock up ya last night. 39
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 14, 2005, 06:39 PM | # High fences make good neighbors, whether between different races or different social/intellectual classes. I am naturally happiest mixing with people with whom I have some similarity; that includes educated people from any race who realize the benefits of keeping population down, culture separate and garden fences high. I’d probably be happier with Pat Robertson than with an extremist Islamic Mullah, (let alone Osama who is a mass murderer with few redeeming features) but I’d also be happier with Pat than with the avreage Sydney beach crowd, I suspect. 40
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on December 14, 2005, 06:43 PM | # Or than with Simon, whose cultural level leaves something to be desired, or Adam Shapiro, a walking advertisement for anti-Semitism. 41
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 06:48 PM | # Fred I just treat you with the contempt any closet queer deserves. 42
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 06:52 PM | # Look at this Adam Shapiro character completely vindicating Adolf Hitler! I mean, the goys couldn’t do it and here this Jew comes and does in it a few paragraphs. Adam weren’t Jews like you supposed to keep all that stuff hushed up till you actually pulled of the goals listed in the Protocols? I think you’ve really stuck your foot in it now, you moron. That was supposed to be continually denied, sworn up and down to be untrue, ridiculed as invented, a clumsy Czarist Police forgery. Now you’ve gone and spilled the beans. The International Communist Jewish Consipiracy isn’t going to be very happy with you, Adam. By the way, is Simon Jewish? He certainly sounds like an extreme radical leftist of the Jewish variety. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell Repatriation ! 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act : the gift that keeps on giving! 43
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 06:56 PM | # Exactly. Its not like you will have to surrender your property to some poor aboriginal now is it? In the meantime, you can keep telling other whites that they are “racist”, “bigoted”, blah blah blah while ensuring that there are no real world consequences for you. Good old leftist hypocrisy at work. 44
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 07:01 PM | # i dont want to be seperate from anyone…the world is here to share… it starts with us…. I certainly don’t want any coarse vulgarians like you in my civilized neighbourhood. 45
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 07:06 PM | # Simon, I donit agree that people prefer to be with people of “their own kind”. If anything this is a learnt behaviour and can be overcome through embracing diversity Two more questions, then:- 1) Why isn’t this preference racist if it is learned? 2) Psychologically, what percentage are we the product of our environments? 46
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 07:16 PM | # Adam Schapiro’s IP number is 203.214.29.243. This is the same IP number as “Winston Smith” and also, you will be surprised to know, The Rational Islamaphobe. Must be a case of multiple personalities. A very unusual but tragic disorder that often involves perfectly opposite personality types with seemingly nothing in common. Hey Adam/Winston/TRI, what’s the game? 47
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 07:20 PM | #
Good. Inflict it on yourself, not on me. Are you Jewish? All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell Repatriation ! 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act : the gift that keeps on giving! 48
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 07:21 PM | # Australia is Aboriginal land, we should give it back to them, just like America belongs to the native Indian people and should be given back….that doesn’t mean we should leave, it means we should live together in peaceful coexistence…. apart from that where should I go…Germany? Ireland? France? England?... and what about my Koori relatives… should they stay here? 49
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 07:28 PM | # I guess nobody actually wants to comment on these cases: Cant imagine why not….they are the same as Racial Gangrape I & Racial Gangrape II that is being bandied about so freely. 50
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 07:34 PM | #
That’s pretty astonishing. Not to mention creepy. I wonder what’s up with that. TRI’s posts have been pretty opposite of Shapiro’s, to say the least—and Winston Smith’s have been a moderate version of the typical level-headed MR.com poster. One thing that’s weird about it is if they’re trying to be some sort of provocateur (“they” meaning Simon and the guy posting under the other three pen names), they—Simon and this other “three-identity guy”—must know each other, it would seem. If I were the head honcho around here I’d give some thought to allowing either of them five minutes to explain things to my satisfaction, lacking which they’d both be banned. In fact, I’d say that would be needlessly prolonging the agony, and I’d ban them on the basis of all that’s already transpired. I’d get rid of them whoever they are. In any case, Simon at least is clearly here to provoke and is not honest or sincere in the slightest, and as such brings nothing of value to the site but on the contrary detracts from it. As for this other weirdo, he’s still got me scratching my head. I vote for banning them both. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell Repatriation ! 1965 Immigration-Holocaust Act : the gift that keeps on giving! 51
Posted by Adam Shapiro on December 14, 2005, 07:35 PM | # Simon, I couldn’t have said it any better myself. Multiculturalism is the solution to the problems of hate and violence, not rioting. What if a child gets killed in the process, by these justifiably angry youths of Middle-Eastern descent? Will majority rights be happy then? It would be a tragedy, as children are so innocent. What is the life of a child compared to a gang rape or two, or the murder of some Australian yobbo or twenty who probably looked at an Arab-Australian the wrong way? All those peaceful immigrants want is a fresh start in a new country, and to preserve their precious culture. Isn’t the innocence of a hypothetical child worth something to you monsters? Do you not have hearts? As for you, Fred, I don’t know why you refer to such a riduculous forgery as the protocols. It’s a known fact that Jews never do anything to help each other out, especially when in positions of influence, thus a conspiracy is impossible! Of course, conspiracies DO exist, but only so-called white people (who can’t actually be defined, they are a non-people, kind of like so-called Palistinians; Palestine was unpopulated before we ethnically cleansed it) ever pull them off. Haven’t you heard of Big Tobacco, Big Oil, and Bush/Cheney/Halliburton? Does the word “Military Industrial Complex” mean anything to you? All rich White men. If watching the X-Files teaches you anything, it should be this. Remember the smoking man? A perfect example of the White man in power, controlling things behind the scenes. (And David Duchovny, oy! How did he manage to break through the barriers of oppression like that? It so great to see that Jews can finally become mainstream stars after being shut out for so long!) So, everyone, unite against racism, and encourage your daughters to mix with the Lebanese and Sudanese. As everyone knows, hybrid vigor will combine the best traits of both races, the higher White IQ and the gentle nobility and exotic colorings of the others. Let it be a flowering rainbow of diversity! Meanwhile, too prevent us being wiped out, our fellow Jews must stay together, our Jewish women finding nice Jewish boys. It’s our cultural legacy, to betray it would be a grave heresy. Peace! 52
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 07:41 PM | # apart from that where should I go…Germany? Ireland? France? England?... I didn’t say that all Australians should go back to their native lands of origin. I said that YOU should go back. The noisier the person on “racism” and the more hypocritical, the more facile and insincere the arguments become. It is not impossible for you to migrate to Ireland, for example. But you won’t because you are a hypocrite through and through. And your Leftism is all about scoring brownie points and has nothing to do with you actually having to make any real sacrifices. Its like charity. The leftist always wants it done from someone else’s pocket. As for “vibrant” societies, the greatest nations in the history of man have been “Nations”. They weren’t known for being “vibrant” as you understand it. Britain conquered the earth and built the modern world with no immigrants. The Germans of the 19th century gave us some of the finest music anyone has ever created with little or no immigrants. And Japan doesnt let in millions of immigrants and remains an economic powerhouse. So obviously the arguments “for” immigration have more to do with the personal agendas of its advocates. No country on earth lets in more immigrants than America. And American economists have found that there have been no NET benefits from immigration. The touted economic benefits of immigration are like Soviet Economics. Blind faith defines it more than anything else. Anyway, in my experience arguing with leftists has taught me that no Leftist ever comes up with HARD empirical data to prove a point. The arguments are always, “yeah but the guy who lives across the road scratches his groin, therefore….....” etc. You are obviously an ignoramus who gets his kicks from shouting at people and uttering vulgar abuse. 53
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 07:49 PM | #
Still no comments 54
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 07:52 PM | # OK it’s clear now that “Adam Shapiro” is someone—TRI apparently—posting under a Jewish name in a sarcastic “spoof” meant to “expose” the “true motivations” of a certain kind of Jewish extreme radical leftist. I’d still like to know if Simon’s Jewish, by the way. Certain things he’s spouted make him sound, in my opinion, like a particular type of Jewish extreme radical leftist. 55
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 07:53 PM | # Phil…the vdare webshite is not a viable info source. 56
Posted by Phil on December 14, 2005, 07:56 PM | # You obviously cannot count. Or if you can, you won’t because your arguments are recycled and involve shouting constantly like a little child. I linked those articles above so that you would read them but you have no interest in looking at actual facts. Therefore:
Ok so how many does your examples make over how many years and what does the average come to? And it seems that whatever the figure is, it was exceeded by some margin in just a year by middle eastern thugs. Anyway, Ive had enough of your stupidity. You aren’t worth wasting time over. I’ve met bright leftists who could argue well no matter how flawed their arguments were and I walked off from those arguments feeling a certain degree of respect for their intelligence. You obviously have none of those qualities. 57
Posted by Sam on December 14, 2005, 08:10 PM | # Phil, You said earlier that there was no Net economic benifit from immigration… Strikes me as odd that the biggest pro capitalist (Bush) going around would do something that would result in no net benifits to his capitalist economy… kinda defeats the purpose of being a capitalist doesnt it???? Now we all know that contradiction cannot exist in reality.. so please help me out here…. Sam 58
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 08:11 PM | #
Glad you agree that racism is a learned behaviour….it’s not a natural one… and like all other isms’s can be overcome.
That would be totally dependant on how much an individual is willing to challenge or accept…. no behaviour is natural…it is learned and can be unlearned through exposure and education of differences. Fred, previously you asked me if I was Gay, now you ask if I’m Jewish .... what is this fetish you have for me?
2) Does anyone actually want to comment on these cases: 59
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 08:18 PM | # Fred is still fanasising about me…. sorry mto disappoint you man… I’m a straight atheist….but i told you that before…. my mum was presbyterian and dad was baptist…although they never went to church…i’d prrobably call them agnostic. 60
Posted by Kieran on December 14, 2005, 08:32 PM | # Common fear is race replacement (genocide of the white race according to one person). The fear of immigration and multiculturalism is bringing too many non-whites into the country. They will be a minority in their own country. ABS: Australian: 6,739,594 people (35.9%), This means the 80% of Australians are white. This does not include the people who come from a European and Mediterranean background. I believe we can assume that they would take up at least 10% (a lot of Italians and Greeks came here after WWII). This would mean that at the most 10% of the population is non-white (i.e. Asian [they would be the largest minority since they have been coming since the 19th century], Middle Eastern, Indian, South American, African). Immigration department: If white Australians have less children than they might be replaced by New Zealanders and the English. Then the Wallabies might actually win a game! Ask yourself whether the fear of the unknown in Australia is justified according to the facts above (go to the websites to verify if you don’t believe in these numbers). 61
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 08:37 PM | # People killed by USA in Iraq (includes US military) 133,488 Sept 11 2001 (New York ...not Chile 1973) 2896 Interesting site… shows the other cost of war 62
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 08:39 PM | # Sorry didnt include new york sept 11 still a difference of 129,244 63
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 08:57 PM | #
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Posted by Freddy on December 14, 2005, 09:03 PM | #
Yeah, roll on those re-education camps. Do you believe that all behaviour is learned, even a parent’s affection for their children?
I assume she’s non-white. If she were, you wouldn’t be fully “embracing diversity” now, would you? 65
Posted by Guessedworker on December 14, 2005, 09:14 PM | # Simon, Answer the first of those two questions please. No smarty pants dodging, there’s a good lad. You said originally that preference for one’s own kind was not racist but was learned. I find this confusing. If it is learned, rather than genetic, why isn’t it simply racism ... if it is not racist to learn to prefer your own kind, then what on earth is racism? Clarify, please. Regarding your reply on environmentalism, you are claiming that no behaviour is inate - that is, that genes play no part whatsoever in determining any human behaviour ... any behaviour at all. Are you sure you want to stick with this one, Simon? The Blank Slate is a teensie-weensie bit extreme these days, you know. I mean, I am very grateful to you for placing your head in the noose and standing over the trap-door so obediently. In truth, I am disappointed. I thought you might put up a better struggle. But if you want me to drop you there and then I will. I think, though, that you should urgently reconsider your position. Check GNXP ... it’s a genetics site by written by brown, yellow and white guys. But you won’t like what they say! The bottom line, old bean, is that psychology and genetics have completed smashed up Boasian environmentalism. It’s a non-runner, I’m afraid (Boas was a fraud, anyway). 66
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 09:25 PM | # So, Kieran, you agree that there should be a cap on non-white (or otherwise incompatible) immigration, so that immigration won’t set whites on the road to race-replacement (in whole or in part)? Don’t forget that once certain percentages are reached, including seemingly low ones, political and social forces come into play that make it hard to keep those percentages in check. But do you agree in principle there should be explicit racial/ethnocultural caps on immigration so as not to allow non-whites or non-Christians—Moslems, for example—to become a majority or an influential minority? You can’t go by what the percentages are now, in denying there’s a problem, because those saying there’s a problem know what the percentages are now—they’re talking about what they will be in future unless action is taken now to stem the tide. So stop quoting those percentages, as if to say, “There’s no danger.” There is danger if those percentages change, and what’s keeping them from doing exactly that? Certainly not people like you who take a snapshot of the way things are now and suppose they’ll always remain that way. They’ll remain that way only if they are required to, by means of explicit immigration rules my side is calling for right now and you keep arguing against. 67
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 09:41 PM | #
Unlike you, I don’t discriminate, Adreana is Greek btw. I’ve checked the posts and I have answered all your questions. Tell me which part of racism you want for yourself and your family? While your at it will you or the other boofheads here answer some or some of my previous questions? 68
Posted by Freddy on December 14, 2005, 10:30 PM | #
You said you’re heterosexual, so obviously you do discriminate. Assuming you believe that sexuality is ‘learned’ behaviour, what steps are you currently taking to re-educate yourself in this matter in order to make yourself entirely non-discriminatory?
Yes, I admit it - I AM A RACISM.
Hmm, since pretty much everyone except for deluded white liberals is tribalistic/ethnocentric, it’s a fair bet that it (“racism”) is a natural part of human nature. Are you seriously suggesting that something that manifests itself near-universally among widely divergent human groups is really ‘unnatural’?
Actually, my parents are Marxists.
Such as observing the world around me and thinking about what I see? 69
Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 10:35 PM | # Ahahaha, leftism could have no more apt spokesman than our Simon. It would take more time than I have to catalogue his dishonesty, hatred, and incompetence. 70
Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 10:45 PM | #
-from Mr. Shapiro. What we have here is ethnic Kulturkampf masquerading as liberalism. 71
Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 10:47 PM | # Lol, whoops, perhaps I should’ve read the obviously WN-shill text first. God, I wish shills would get a life. 72
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 10:47 PM | # “Racism” is a Marxist slogan word designating the questioning by Euros of genocide launched against Euros. If the Marxists undertake genocide against Euros (which they’ve already undertaken) and Euros question it (which many are doing), the Euros are being “racist.” That’s what the word means: you try to exterminate all Euros and the Euros who question that are, by definition, “racist.” A “racist” means a white who questions the genocide of whites. It doesn’t mean a Negro who questions the genocide of Negroes, a Mexican who questions the genocide of Mexicans, or a Moroccan who questions the genocide of Moroccans. It means only a Euro who questions the genocide of Euros, not just any group who questions its own genocide. To be “racist” it’s got to be whites who are targeted and who try to resist or not even resist but merely raise questions about it—that’s “racism.”
Yes, I’ve just defined it.
By definition (above) most here are “racists,” in that most here question the genocide of Euros. For a Euro to dare do that is enough to make him a “racist.”
For Simon it’s unnatural for a Euro to raise questions about genocide aimed at Euros. It’s not nice to do that, you see—we are supposed to passively accept it or warmly, enthusiastically welcome it, not question it.
I’d say reluctance to passively submit to the genocide of your group springs from a combination of traits that are at least partly inborn.
Translated, that means, “Which part of an inclination to resist genocide-against-Euros do you want for yourself or your family?” I want all of it—the whole nine yards, the whole kit-and-caboodle, for myself and my family. I want as much of it as I can get—for myself and for them. I don’t want to be like Birch Barlow, I don’t want to be like Robert Lindsay, I don’t want to be like June Gordon, I don’t want to be like Cruella, I don’t want to be like Simon, and I don’t want my family members to be like them. 73
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 11:01 PM | # So fred is saying he wants people to come around and bash him and his parents etc for no other reason than they the notion of race…. how often do you want this to happen… should they stop at the bashings or go a bit further.. maybe rape (you’d probably enjoy that for yourself, esp a young guy with a big cock)... maybe you can smile as someone shoots your mother for being different to another race. I guess nobody actually wants to comment on these cases: Cant imagine why not….they are the same as Racial Gangrape I & Racial Gangrape II that is being bandied about so freely. Still no comments 74
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 14, 2005, 11:18 PM | #
All here—I and everyone else—oppose physically attacking or harming others on account of their race (except of course for acts of real and immediate self-defense), or being otherwise mean or unjust to them on that account. All here want a fair go for everyone without exception, regardless of race, religion, color, ethnicity, sex, or what-have-you. Simon knows exactly what it is we all do want, but he refuses to listen, so I’m not going to waste my energy explaining it to him for the Nth time. Simon by rights ought to count as an extreme embarrassment to the left: dishonest, insincere, unintelligent, and exceedingly hate-filled, he ought to make them cringe when they see him representing their side. 75
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 11:18 PM | # You all know racism is wrong…it’s evident through every post here, even though you continue to deny that you do…. you know you don’t want it for yourself… you know you dont want it for your families and friends…. you continue to say you want to defend the “white race”.... you dont want disceimination against them…. you dont want it because you know it is wrong…. Why then do you want it for others????[/b] I guess nobody actually wants to comment on these cases: Cant imagine why not….they are the same as Racial Gangrape I & Racial Gangrape II that is being bandied about so freely. 76
Posted by Kubilai on December 14, 2005, 11:22 PM | # Re: Simon’s post on December 15 at 3:01 AM You truly are a moron, aren’t you? Look here for an evisceration to your “searing” question: Posted by Phil on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 at 11:56 PM 77
Posted by Freddy on December 14, 2005, 11:23 PM | #
No. I think he, along with most of the commenters on MR, would prefer to live in a society which contains few or no non-whites. Obviously, ‘racist bashings’ are rather unlikely to occur in racially homogenous societies. Geez Simon, the only ‘excuse’ for your rather bizarre performance over the last few days here at MR would be that you have been on a three day bender, and have been whipping off postings in the intervals between chugging down jugs of VB. You’re that incoherent. 79
Posted by Kubilai on December 14, 2005, 11:28 PM | # Close your tags next time, you blithering dolt. GW, I am seconding Fred’s repeated request to put this simpleton out of his misery. He is simply using up bandwidth with useless and simply repeated untenable dogma. 80
Posted by Simon on December 14, 2005, 11:32 PM | # Somebody asked if being gay was a learned behaviour…. I truly dont know, and I care even less… being gay doen’t hurt anyone (does it Fred).... sexual acts between consenting adults is none of my concern. 81
Posted by Kubilai on December 14, 2005, 11:38 PM | # being gay doen’t hurt anyone - Simon Ever hear of AIDS, Simon? LOL Not all learned behaviours are bad, most are harmless, some in fact are quite good - Simon LOL Spinning wheel, round and round… Go away lout. You’ve embarrassed yourself adequately enough that we shall guffaw over your antics for months now. 82
Posted by Al Ross on December 14, 2005, 11:39 PM | # If Simon believes that White Australians can live in authoritarian Leftist -enforced multi-cultural harmony with the Muslim anthropoid refuse that infests Oz, then he had better ask it of Santa Claus in whom he doubtless also believes. 83
Posted by Kubilai on December 14, 2005, 11:41 PM | # Al Ross, Simon doesn’t know what he believes. He only knows to parrot that “racism” is baaaaaad and we are all RACISMS. LOL 84
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 01:48 AM | #
Simon in a nutshell: ALL UR base are belong to us. :D 85
Posted by AD on December 15, 2005, 01:49 AM | # The Patriotic Youth League use the Eureka flag and the regular Australian flag. They use the former in the case of any ‘call to arms’ because it represents the fight to expel non-whites in Lambing Flats back in the day. 90% of flags on the day were the regular flag. I’d assume it will be the same next Sunday, when there will be an even bigger turnout. It is a real stretch to describe the PYL as ‘neo-nazis’. They are basically former youth organisers from One Nation. About the violence; i was personally a bit dissapointed, but then again it was just youths making up for a decade of group violence on them. The vast majority of the crowd didn’t get into the violence, and were happy to chant the death of multiculturalism and wave flags. Best part was the hot chicks, full of nationalist pride. Chicks most of you lefties, naysayers and fatboy ‘morally outraged’ net commentators would never have a chance with. There is just no ‘debate’ about it anymore. If you don’t like what’s coming, you’d do well to leave the country, because it simply is not your nation anymore. If your opinion differs from ours, you have no place here. Sunday was just the tiny beggining. 86
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 15, 2005, 02:55 AM | #
Thank GOD!, thank GOD!, thank GOD!, thank GOD!, thank GOD! May it come true! May it come true! May it come true! May it come true! May it come true! Bless you, AD, for that comment! Bless you, bless you, bless you, bless you, bless you! What beautiful words! What beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful words! 87
Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 05:34 AM | # Simon, So, this is where we stand so far. 1. You think everybody in every country throughout the world has only learned to prefer his own kind. So all, ALL, of them are “racists”. 2. You think genes stop at the neck. So, next question. Have men only learned to like women physically and, therefore, also learned to feel revulsion at homosexuality? If so, are not all men homophobic? (Careful here, little genius - this may be a trick question). 88
Posted by Phil on December 15, 2005, 05:55 AM | # People killed by USA in Iraq (includes US military) 133,488 I wasn’t going to bother responding to you but since you lie out of habit every single minute…...... Does that casualty figure include the thousands of Iraqis who have been blown to smithereens by suicide bombers? You will note that American marines aren’t blowing up Iraqi children when candy is being distributed. I can understand those Islamikazis blowing up US military installations and American soldiers but blowing Iraqi kids to smithereens? That’s Islamic nuttery for you. So does that casuality figure include the execution type killings by ethnic gangs, the brutal murder of children by suicide bombers etc? I guess it doesn’t. You just lump it under the US military. Sept 11 2001 (New York ...not Chile 1973) 2896 I thought you were dishonest. But I was wrong. You really are a moron. Islamic fundamentalism has killed several times that figure. There have been thousands of terrorist attacks all over the world (the majority in the Muslim world) such as that recent attack on that hotel in Jordan or that resort in Egypt. In fact, since 9-11 there have been 3802 terrorist attacks by Muslim fundamentalists around the world. 89
Posted by Mark Richardson on December 15, 2005, 05:58 AM | # AD, the Melbourne press actually ran a story on the pretty girls who were involved at Cronulla. You can see a picture of one of these girls, Melanie, along with the article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17561785%5E662,00.html It’s interesting that the print edition was titled “Pretty, young face of hatred” whereas the online title was toned down to “Faces of fear at the beach”. In the article Melanie says she wanted to take back the beach from the Lebanese because of verbal harassment, and her friend Rachel wanted to fly the flag to support Australian culture. 90
Posted by Phil on December 15, 2005, 06:00 AM | # I should also add that the 133,000 figure is obviously bollocks. Here is a more reasonable estimate. I am opposed to this stupid war as much as a lot of Lefties are. But I don’t lie through my teeth in my opposition to it. 91
Posted by Phil on December 15, 2005, 06:09 AM | # A better link on the Sharm el Sheikh bombing in Egypt. 92
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 05:08 PM | #
Actually, there’s nothing astonishing about it at all, at least not that the post was made by a WN shill. If I hadn’t been in such a hurry I’d have sniffed him out instantly. My first post in response to Mr. Shapiro came just from reading the first paragraph, the bit about how he was a friend of Simon’s and this was a “nazi” site. I immediately scrolled down to see the poster’s name and unfortunately responded. Had I read the subsequent paragraph about “goyim” I’d have sniffed him out instantly (which is what I did right after posting and so laughed at myself in the next post for being a sucker - I needed only the second paragraph). Jews really are far too clever to even believe the things a great many WNs attribute to them, much less cop to them if they did. Anyone who doesn’t understand that self-deception is absolutely key to jewish malfeasance just isn’t getting the message; jews do what they do and think they’re perfectly moral the whole way through. They have to go through some intensely acrobatic moral hijinks to get there, but that’s the fact of the matter. 93
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 05:15 PM | # I should add that TRI’s comments seemed tongue-in-cheek in places; I didn’t bother reading most of them so that may not’ve been his overall intent. 94
Posted by Simon on December 15, 2005, 08:29 PM | # I worked in Caringbah last night… the thing that amazed me was how many national flags had been taken down. The most poignant question came from a down syndrome girl who I’m a carer for… she asked if she would be welcome on Cronulla beach ever again? I fought back tears as I reassured her and told her I’d protect her, but I remembered….Nazi Germany is famous for what it did to jews, communists, unionists, gays, gypsies etc… but the first people to be eliminated were the disabled. I just hope I can keep my promise. 95
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 08:42 PM | #
Thanks again! Patriotism=Fascism, right from the leftist’s mouth. There’s an old saying about being careful what you condemn as evil, because if you aren’t you run the risk of making “evil” the duty of all good men. Keep up the good work mate. 96
Posted by seelow heights on December 15, 2005, 08:42 PM | # What is the purpose of allowing this loony Simon to continue to post? He “contributes” only stupidity and emotional outbursts. 97
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 08:46 PM | #
Ahahahaha! You’re here just taking the piss, aren’t you? You’ve just gotta be a WN shill, just gotta! You’re just too “perfect” to be real… None of that is true, of course. You’re just a nutter spouting lies and nonsense. I can’t believe you’re still allowed to post here. All you do is spam the threads with your fantasies (oh, and I know now that you’re not white, btw). 98
Posted by Kubilai on December 15, 2005, 08:52 PM | # Wow Simon!! You serious, man?? I mean, you wouldn’t LIE about such things, would you? ROTFL GO AWAY LOUT! 99
Posted by Lurker on December 15, 2005, 08:54 PM | # Just try changing the words: The most poignant question came from a tall girl who I’m a carer for… she asked if she would be welcome on Cronulla beach ever again? or how about The most poignant question came from a short girl who I’m a carer for… she asked if she would be welcome on Cronulla beach ever again? And it still works! What a crock. 100
Posted by Simon on December 15, 2005, 08:58 PM | # Nazi Germany is famous for what it did to jews, communists, unionists, gays, gypsies etc… but the first people to be eliminated were the disabled. If I’m not white, then what am I? I don’t proffess to be perfect…I just care for people…all people…even you. My job is that of a disability support worker… that doesn’t make me special or better than anyone…it’s a job, one that I thoroughly enjoy…but it’s still just a job. People with disabilities have minds of their own, sometimes they make more sense than the rest of us. 101
Posted by Simon on December 15, 2005, 09:01 PM | # So lurker wants to discriminate against tall and short people as well…how about fat and thin?... old or young? 102
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 11:31 PM | # Sorry mate, you’re all done. Everyone here now knows you’re nothing but a troll. It was obvious already, but now even the disabled can tell you’re a lying unbalanced troll. 103
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 11:37 PM | # Take your Tiny Tim stories and and go take a long walk off a short pier. 104
Posted by Svigor on December 15, 2005, 11:43 PM | # And I don’t know exactly what you are, but you aren’t white. Whites, even radical lefty whites, almost always have a sense of shame. You obviously don’t. You may consider yourself white, you may pass for white to the uninitiated, but you aren’t white. Even the worst Scandian race-blind altruist couldn’t bring himself to the lows you exhibit. I have my suspicions about what you are but I’ll keep them to myself. 105
Posted by Steve Edwards on December 16, 2005, 12:42 AM | # I think it’s entirely unconstructive that these debates get bogged down into pointless arguments over “terrorism”. This is precisely what the “respectable left and right” like to see, because they know full well that Islamic terrorism is largely a diversion, and in fact is one of the most irrelevant “threats” the West faces today. The chances of being killed by a terrorist are so low as to barely be worth worrying about. And of course, by channelling people’s outrage against the “evil Muslims”, the Establishment has already set up their bipartisan control valve - one side of the debate (multicultural Left) is free to propose the “solution” of affirmative action, multiculturalism and mass immigration, while the other side (the “Right”) basically adds the “democratisation” of the Middle East to the Left’s template. In short, it is utterly pointless getting obsessed over Islam or Islamic terrorism. Tyranny, not terrorism, is the greatest threat we face today. Tyranny comes in many forms, but the mass-immigration/multiculturalism/welfare-state nexus forms a major part of our governments’ diabolical plans to destroy our civilisation and rule us like feudal lords. Rather than engaging in a pointless pissing-contest over “who’s got the best culture” (I happen to think we are great for some things, and not so great for others), we should be emphasising that it is largely irrelevant whether you are “superior” or “inferior”. Indeed, we should instead point out to people of all backgrounds that ethnic self-determination is a right that everyone should be able to enjoy, which lends itself to the conclusion that European Australians must also have this right. Indeed, in this case, ethnic self-determination among European Australians, as well as Europeans and non-Europeans everywhere on the planet, is precisely what can lead us out of this awful mess of creeping domestic tyranny and perpetual war abroad. We must emphasise over and over again that there is no compelling reason to “democratise” a square inch of the Goddamn planet, because it is absolutely nobody’s business that, say, Turkmenistan is a despotism, or that Togo is a dictatorship, because neither of these countries poses a remote threat to us - and who cares if women don’t get to wear bikinis in Iran? Absolutely nobody’s business. At the same time and on the same grounds, we should reserve the right to overturn 30 years of misguided immigration policies. Once the entire edifice of this horrible crypto-bolshevik regime (which is in fact an emerging world state) is brought down, and people have been allowed to use their senses again, we will probably look back on the short period of official Diversity and Tolerance worship rather like the Germans look back on the Nazi period. We will actually be ashamed to have ever bought the lies, distortions, and obfuscations of the Enemy Class, and we shall be all the better for it. 106
Posted by Steve Edwards on December 16, 2005, 12:48 AM | # I wouldn’t worry about Simon. He is a shill for the Establishment, and rather reminds me of the kinds of critters you might find over at Indymedia. 107
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 16, 2005, 12:59 AM | # Excellent post, Steve. You’ve basically covered it. Very very good job! 108
Posted by The Happy Rampager on December 16, 2005, 03:11 AM | # So I take it you have actually gotten rid of this arrogant little shite called Simon? I hate to make what may well be my only post here be such a critical one, but allowing Simon to post and insult you as long as he did, and giving him the benefit of the doubt, makes you look weak and spineless, which does not inspire respect. You want to bring down multiculti Gramscian plotters for the good of the West, but you allow some foul-mouthed punk to walk all over you? Please. 109
Posted by Steve Edwards on December 16, 2005, 04:15 AM | # The thing is, I’m quite happy for people like Simon to show their true colours in public and to let them run their course. Let me explain: One of the major factors that works against the Enemy Class is their obvious hatred for their own society. Every opportunity must be taken to expose said hatred, and, in fact, it is worth provoking them into rash statements that they might regret later, even if it upsets us in the short term. For if we can goad as many as possible of the Enemy Class to wipe their butts on our entire society, preferably in public, we can use their words in perpetuity to discredit every single “serious” policy proposal they put forward from that point on. That is to say, once it is openly established that they would actually like to damage their own civilisation, every time they respond to events (such as a riot) by offering their usual brew of self-abnegation and suicide, we can basically use their already established intentions against them. In fact, it is almost worth hiring agents-provocateurs make overblown statements on the evils of all non-Western civilisations, simply because it will lead the Usual Suspects to unwittingly escalate their rhetorical war, ultimately to their own detriment. 110
Posted by Simon on December 16, 2005, 06:39 AM | #
You have a definition of white which I and any person of reason, compassion and pride in themselves would find utterly rpeulsive and indeed offensive… Thank you for the compliment. The following quote comes from your side of the fence. I’m sure you’ll all agree with it. 111
Posted by The Happy Rampager on December 16, 2005, 01:39 PM | # Steve:- You know, that actually makes sense. I suppose apologies are in order, so please forgive my earlier hot-tempered post. That Simple Simon is too stupid to realise he’s being played also appeals to my sense of humour. 112
Posted by Svigor on December 16, 2005, 02:04 PM | #
And oh…my…GOD…do our people fall for it. 113
Posted by Lurker on December 17, 2005, 07:32 PM | # Simon where are the stories about gangs of surfies attacking downs people? Do you really think the MSM wouldnt trumpet such a story around the world? Id be horrified at such a story but Id have to have few instances before I regarded it as part of a wider pattern. Anyone guilty of such an offence ought to be thrashed to within an inch (or less) of their lives. Funny that muslim gang rapes which appear to have taken place on more than once or twice are just the acts of a few bad apples. OTH the belief of one person that she might be attacked are grounds for you believing that some Aussies are about to commit mass murder of the disabled. 114
Posted by Alex Zeka on December 19, 2005, 08:59 AM | #
-Simon The way the guy goes on about it, one could almost imagine it’s some sort of fantasy of his. 115
Posted by Alex Zeka on December 19, 2005, 09:03 AM | # ...and another thought.
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Posted by Andrew on December 14, 2005, 12:41 AM | #
I don’t know if or how many NAZIS were there, but to day a young Anglo Rioter was convicted for carrying a stick as a weapon, he was imprisoned for four months.
BUT this is worth a riot: 27 of the camel fornicators, armed with base ball bats and crow bars, Knifes and firearms, Smashed 100 cars , trashed 23 residential properties, 7 serious assaults, 4 attempted rape, ( Girls warned by Police of approaching Gang) were released on bail. So cop that. Stuff the riot, We need a full on revolution.