Multiple Choices

Posted by Geoff Beck on August 09, 2005, 10:01 AM | #

JW,

White retardates certainly do exist. Perhaps you would agree a consciousness of eugenics among the Gentile population might help with this problem?

But aside from eugenics, IQ testing and perhaps some other forms of testing one must acknowledge that the white population in America, especially, is being taught, from childhood, to be stupid and to emulate the culture of blacks.

The values of black culture are being inculcated by the television and public schools. How many whites have been “retarded” in this fashion? (Never forget who owns the US media!)

How is

for instruction?

Posted by Betty on August 09, 2005, 10:31 AM | #

Seperatism… YES! I totally agree that other races are not American. The traitors(mainly White and Jewish) in our government betrayed the Founding Father’s wishes and allowed immigration of massive proportions into our land and handed them “citizenship”. Treason, plain and simple. America was founded by White men for White men (persons) only. When they talked of the equality of men,they were talking to and for Whites only. The Constitution was written for White European Christians ONLY. There was no such thing as “tolerance” of other religions or races. It was to be tolerance of the different sects and denminations of Christianity only, not of Islam, Buddism, Judaism, Santeria, Wicca, etc. Today’s America would be a nightmare to Our Founders and against everything the Founders envisioned. You are right JW Holliday.

Posted by James Bowery on August 09, 2005, 11:13 AM | #

First, separatists, regardless of nationality do have common cause against the tyrannical regimes that oppress us around the world.  Common cause is grounds for solidarity.  The problem is you will never run across a Mexican separatist in this country who is fleeing Mexico because of the influx of non-Mexicans to Mexico.  The profound contrast here is Europeans who are fleeing Europe for—where?—to escape the influx of non-Europeans to Europe.  If they flee to the US they’ll see the same thing.  If they flee to Canada they’ll see the same thing.  Israelis are openly targeting New Zealand as a place to move precisely because the population is so Anglo—and they know they can exploit Anglos successfully.

So you are correct for the most part in practice but in principle you should make room for international alliances.

This is actually what Salter’s book was really about.

Second, if you look up the table on Fst in Salter’s book you’ll see that your absolutist statement, while maybe an appropriate early reaction to the literal rape of our peoples by immigration worldwide, isn’t really proportional.  Some of these populations are more or less alien and we should become aware of which are how alien (in addition of course to which are how likely to sell us out).

Posted by sr on August 09, 2005, 11:39 AM | #

So what about the “Founding Fathers”? If THEY had been cleverly disguised octopoids breeding Europeans for meat, would I have to approve of it now? Why should we continue to obsess over the supposed glories and wicked excesses of the previous millenium? What about NOW? What about the after-now, or “future”?

Interesting point about the GNXPers. I guess that is their attitude. Razib seems pretty clever. I wonder if CBS could be convinced to do a GNXP Big Brother.

What do you call a professional WN going to a WN rally on his day off?

“Busman’s Holliday”

Posted by JW Holliday on August 09, 2005, 12:10 PM | #

Geoff,

I agree with the points you are making.  Let me clarify: I’m not saying that all whites need to be super-geniuses.  Nor do I ignore that most of our people, especially the young, have been subjected to relentless propaganda, and thus some slack needs be given in that regard.

However, I do not identify myself as being in solidarity with the likes of George Bush, Bill Clinton, or Ted Bundy (a trio that fit well together, no?).  Nor do I “identify” as such with white retards; however, those who are non-violent should be cared for (as one would care for a sick child), and discouraged from reproducing. 

Furthermore, at the very least, eugenics to prevent serious mental and physical handicaps should be instituted.

But these are details.  My point is clear.  I will not accept anyone merely on the basis that they are “white.”  Race is fundamental, but is not enough.  Conversely though, because race is fundamental, I will not accept anyone of another race, despite their qualifications.

Posted by JW Holliday on August 09, 2005, 12:13 PM | #

James,

I agree with you.  On both points.  Understand that the absolutist statement at the end is for ‘effect’, in order to clarify my position to those who obfuscate the difference between ultimate and proximate interests.  I agree that universal nationalism must find allies where they exist (as you commented elsewhere, eg, among Hawaiians, Palestinians, etc. - and perhaps eventually the Japanese if their elites open the gates to immigration).  And, certainly, relative genetic distance is important.  My bombastic statements aside, of course a non-ethnic human is such that one should prefer him/her to a non-human alien, etc.

However, as you also suggest, this statement of mine is in large part a (IMO, understandable) reaction to the worldwide anti-white agenda, as well as “diversity fatigue.”

On the other hand, solidarity has many meanings.  I can and will have political solidarity with non-coethnic nationalists who are non-hypocritical and who are willing to be sincere allies for self-determination.  However, I will not have solidarity with them in the sense of accepting them as co-citizens or as part of the ‘ingroup.’

So, in summary, this post is to clarify my opinion using strong langauge to underline the point.  The reality is, of course, that I am willing to cooperate with any sincere person of any population group that supports self-determination.  But only co-ethnics (in the Salterian sense) can be co-citizens.  I believe we are in essential agreement here.

Posted by sr on August 09, 2005, 12:38 PM | #

The previous post was an attempt at friendliness. It should be clear where my sympathies tend to lie—not in opposition to yours, Mr. Holliday! [Unless you are a crypto-octopoid.]

Posted by John S Bolton on August 09, 2005, 02:11 PM | #

The above attitudes may be contrary to EGI’s, if they caused this race to no longer be a military hegemon. Without such military dominance, how are the four continents which are today owned by this race, to be held? Superior military technology will require us to be open to the top percentile or so, by European norms, as sojourners, and as colonists if the women find them reproductively suitable. If officials precipitate all out race war, though, we lose those people, and solidarity with the worst white criminals who are necessarily fighting the minorities becomes a requirement. When whites move to Japan and become citizens do they more than rarely conspire to make Japan accept mass immigration? Likewise Korea and Taiwan, does the presence of scientists who are of different race but long term residents, and interbreeding with locals, give rise to conspiracy to smash the Egi’s of such populations?

Posted by Svigor on August 09, 2005, 02:25 PM | #

Mr. Bolton you make a good point about the tiny number of non-natives in places like Japan.

These people are hardly accepted, however, and they are not eligible for ingroup status.  In fact, ingroup members who marry them lose ingroup status, as do their children.

Posted by Matra on August 09, 2005, 07:33 PM | #

Meanwhile in Britain where, unlike Japan, the non-natives have achieved ingroup status they’ve got a new cry in response to 7/7:

Multiculturalism is dead; long live miscegenation

http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=648

Britain has the highest rate of mixed-race partnerships anywhere in the world, largely due to sexual relationships between white and black people in London. This - not multiculturalism - is the British tradition to promote. No more bland “tolerance”: let’s have rows and laughs and sex. Our future lies in this glorious mixing of races, not in separating them out and hermetically sealing them off in their own outdated “cultures”.

Multiculturalism is dead; long live miscegenation.

BTW Johann Hari is Jewish.

Posted by amon on August 09, 2005, 09:10 PM | #

I think immigrants should be selected both by theirr race and by their individual characteristics. This can be done using a point system like the one below.

White - 200 points
East Asian - 180 points
Ashkenazi Jew - 170 points
Asian Indian - 160 points
Hispanic - 150 points
American Indian, Eskimo - 140 points
Arab - 135 points
South Asian - 130 points
African American - 125 points
African Black - 120 points

You can also further graduate the point syste (e.g. give more points to Anglos than to Slavs.)

Then, you can add the person’s IQ to their “race points,” and also add/subtract points for what ever other characteristics you think are desirable.

Posted by Svigor on August 09, 2005, 11:13 PM | #

Such a point system could be devised, but if based on Salterian EGI something tells me your point values would be way off.

Plus, there’s history to consider.  There’s no way in hell I’d ever consider Ashkenazi Jews as eligible for citizenship in a white nation.

The history is just too egregious to forgive or forget.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 10, 2005, 12:10 AM | #

In re:  Matra’s post of 11:33 PM:  The absolutely unbelievably slimy Jews who openly, loudly agitate in that way in favor of genocide of white Euro Christians through increased white-Negro miscegenation should be denounced for what they are and everyone should be loudly informed/reminded that they are Jewish.  Then the calls should go out for miscegenation between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs.  You know, I support Israel and the Likud—strongly so—but I swear, Jews like this piece of slime almost make it difficult to do.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 10, 2005, 04:50 AM | #

Fred - why on earth do you support Likud? They are barbarians, and what’s more, they hold us in contempt.

My position on Israel/Palestine is fairly neutral - get the IDF out of the West Bank, reconstitute the security fence on the Green Line, and dismantle all settlements. From there, the Palestinians will have absolutely no excuses. It should be loudly announced on Israeli radio and television that any mortar attack over the border will be countered by a dozen helicopter gunship attacks in the West Bank. Eventually, the Arabs will get the message - you get what you got, and not an inch more.

It’s an interesting point, Fred. Sometimes I also wonder if Western leaders should start shilling for the Palestinian “right of return” (or “race replacement”) in the UN and in the media (pledging to give million dollar grants to each and every journalist and author who publicly shills for the destruction of Israel) just to put pressure on people like that Hari fellow. We could start our own “culture of critique” determined to pillory every aspect of Israeli culture, and to utterly demonise every single moment of their history, even if that means constructing bald faced lies and repeating them ad nauseam. I think they, like the Arabs, will also get the message if we did that.

Posted by JW Holliday on August 10, 2005, 12:47 PM | #

Amon,

First, obviously from my post, from my perspective, your chart is completely irrelevant, since all the non-whites would have a “0” next to them.
Second, as Svigor alludes to, from the perspective of population genetics and EGI, your rankings are absolutely ludicrous.  Given that only ~ 2 East Asian immigrants decrease the genetic interests of every European by one child equivalent, the “close second” of East Asians on the chart is bizarre.

But, never mind.  Perhaps when China, Japan, Korea, Israel, India etc, implement such a program, we’ll all be able to learn from it.

Posted by Lurker on August 10, 2005, 07:03 PM | #

Culture should play a part too. Deduct 200 points from any muslim whatever their genetic background.eg In the UK we have much less to worry about from the small number of blacks from Barbados than we do from large numbers of Bosnian, Albanian or Turkish muslims who are genetically closer to us.

Posted by friedrich braun on August 11, 2005, 07:58 AM | #

Something tell’s me that the genocidal Johann Hari doesn’t favour the miscegenation of his (Jewish) tribe with the same degree of gusto and wild enthusiasm.

Can anyone provide a source for his claim “Britain has the highest rate of mixed-race partnerships anywhere in the world”? How does he know that? Regardless, only a Jew can rejoice at the prospect of a group of Whites (in this instance Britons) disappearing as a distinct race. Where does he live? If he lives in the UK, he should be deported as soon as possible (along with other non-Euros who simply don’t belong in Europe. Period.) He’s obviously an enemy of the English people. What are the chances of that happening? Hari seems to be made of the same toxic stuff as Ignatieff. When you hear such statements (about the high desirability of the murder of Whites), you can bet your shirt that the autor, more often than not, is some disgusting Jew.

Posted by friedrich braun on August 11, 2005, 08:06 AM | #

It’s too bad Mr. Hari didn’t tell us how Whites benefit from miscegenating with small brained, low-IQ, violent, crimial, lazy, unsuitable for a modern, technologically advanced economy London Africans. It’s seems like a clear loser for the indigenous Whites. Aaaah…but I don’t really think Mr. Hari had the interests of the English at heart anyway.

Posted by Svigor on August 11, 2005, 12:04 PM | #

That’s one of my arguments about Jews, that yes, of course they’re not the only ones working to our destruction, but they seem to be the lion’s share of the active ingredient.  It’s almost like a physical law: find the most toxic, willfully race-destructive elements and they’re almost always Jews.