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The Money Problem When Machines and Robots Increasingly Replace Human WorkersA recent discussion of problems with Apple using humans as machines to build iPhones, iPods and iPads prompted two arguments. One concerning mounting a challenge to globalization has been partially discussed. This post addresses the other issue, of 3D printing solving the problem of exploiting humans in this case by replacing human labor . 3D printing is still expensive for the masses (a few thousand dollars for a unit; example: the Fab-at-home projects), and whereas these can take care of building enclosures for smart phones or hand-held computers, make cables and even print basic circuits, it’s a totally different ball game to make microcontrollers, NAND memory chips, microprocessors, or VLSI units in general (VLSI = Very-large-scale integration [of transistors, which are electronic switches]). Bankers will prefer to establish fabrication units for VLSI products where labor costs are minimal and the government has been bribed or corrupted. Apple can easily automate robots to make iPhones, iPads and iPods, but has decided to use humans as machines for reasons already discussed. This can be considered in a more general context. With advances in machinery and automation, human workers are easily replaced with much more efficient worker units. The problem with computerized machines or robots replacing humans is that the initial cost of manufacturing increases sharply and it must be recouped in the prices of the manufactured products, but the increasing amount of people losing their jobs to machines also have less disposable income to buy these products. At some point, even cheaper-than-present 3D printers will be too expensive for people increasingly displaced by machines. How does one address this problem? Clifford Hugh Douglas and other proponents had an elegant solution: social credit. It was never implemented because it requires debt-free creation of money by a government. The proposal is that if people through no fault of their own (e.g., not lazy or unwilling to work) are only able to pay, say, 25% of the cost of a product because they’ve been replaced by machines, the government should provide the remainder to them so that they can obtain the product. The first objection was that this would cause inflation, whereas the social credit proponents showed that this is a bogus objection because demand and supply are being matched by money that simply needs to be created out of thin air by the government [prohibit private bankers from creating money and there wouldn’t be inflation]. A second objection would be abuse. How does one take care of the lazy? It’s a simple matter, easily done by computers nowadays, to take into account job availability, work history, prior income, disability status, etc., and determine if an applicant deserves social credit. What if a company decided to establish a factory to produce smart phones with a hexa-core ARM processor having six times the cache, gold plating and diamonds? Should a government take it upon itself to provide its citizens with such a smart phone? No, the task of the government is to assist with maintaining a minimum acceptable quality of life for the citizens. A single-core ARM processor with a sixth of the cache of the hypothetical unit and no gold or diamonds does a fine job at computing and communications at present, and suffices for government assistance. What if manufacturing can potentially ramp up production to satisfy just about as much demand as can arise, but the products are negative for the environment beyond a certain volume? In this case, the government can limit social credit to a certain number of individuals. If 3 million qualify and only a million should be supported, the million are chosen from the qualified applicants at random. This can be extrapolated to population size. Maintaining a higher quality of life for a larger population depletes a lot of natural resources. The government can hence tie social credit to not exceeding a maximum family size: Do you have at least two biological children and desire social credit? Well, you meet other requirements, but need to subject yourself to vasectomy or tubal ligation or else you’re not getting any social credit for big items. Do you have one or no children and desire social credit? Apparently, based on your records, you qualify for social credit but we’ll just help you with rent and won’t put in the remainder to buy you a house unless you’re so old that it’s unlikely that you’ll be having [more] children or have had yourself vasectomized or your tubes ligated. I think the reader should get the idea. Posted by R-news on Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 06:45 PM in Business & Industry, Economics & Finance Comments:2
Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 29, 2012, 09:18 AM | # The posts about “3D printing” are broadly correct if we understand them as a proxy for computer-controlled tool and machine processes of all kinds. The issues are rapidly falling costs, micro-scalability and a shift away from hyper-specialization back to a broader generalism. These are the tools and technologies of the micro-community.GT & I have been writing about “3D Printing here for many years under the names of “CNC”, “Computer Numerically Controlled” et al. We can also say “robotics”. In all cases these terms mean computers controlling stepper and servo motors which perform the tasks of material handling, machine operation and process control. This is exactly the same technology used for nearly 30 years in your desktop printer/scanner to advance paper, control the location of the print head and dispense ink.
This is not a problem You just need updating with current information. Initial cost of equipment is in free fall. And the cost decline accelerates to nearly -0- given properly trained journeymen craftsmen. The emerging “mass production line” is extremely small, capable of being retooled in a few seconds, will contain 0.0 humans in the production flow proper and can be built from standard parts and junk. 50 cent an hour Chinese cannot compete with industrial robots costing less than $1000. The required software cost is not low. The - ahem - “marginal cost” of software for anyone reading this is zero. Here is the opportunity for dispossessed white workers to recapture control of their “means of production”. The required investment is not money; fiat paper, debt-backed or gold commodity backed. The required capital investment is personal study, work and commitment. “Rep-rap”. This is the ‘trainer aircraft’ of the oncoming 3D Printing revolution. Rep-rap was fathered by a British professor of engineering, Adrian Bowyer. (hat tip to Dr. Lister & GW). Rep-raps can be built for just a few hundred (dollars or euros). They can be built with commonly available parts and materials. And the first Rep-rap can built with existing manual tools. And they can perform multiple useful tasks such as making basic plastic parts and printed circuit board ( PCB) layout and drilling. The issue is not one rep-rap for a few hundred dollars. The issue is what happens in a small shop filled with 10-20 rep raps. And what happens when the man who built the rep-raps advances on. This is just the tip of the existing Open Source CNC iceberg. Many of you will live to see every last US landfill reopened and completely mined out for “raw materials.” Will all this pose a problem for the financiers of Wall Street? Yes. It becomes extremely difficult to arbitrage economic exchanges that occur over a few hundred feet from thousands of miles away. But I’ll let the Jews, Yggdrasil, Leon Haller and J. Richards and worry about what happens to the financial speculator and arbitrageur in all this. To me the economic opportunities here for young white families with children are so dazzling I’ll take the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth’s_crust It will be some time before this occurs. “Natural resources” are far more widely distributed than most people have been conditioned to believe. And thanks to recycling the initially required “raw materials” are already available in concentrated form in every community. To take one example, aluminum can be purchased on terms more favorable than what the Chinese must pay on the “world market”.
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Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 29, 2012, 09:51 AM | # @GL @1
That’s my highest public policy goal. GT & I have four decades of practical experience between us in raising white birth rates. After reviewing our experiential data we concluded that bringing forth and raising white children requires economic resource. And it requires economic resources that are being intentionally confiscated and restricted by certain 1%‘er parties. And we further believe that all strategies for “take back your government” through the ballot box have demonstrably failed and will continue to fail. The lack of white public interest in partisan politics is so low now that the GOP Florida primary on January 31 is taking place as a 100% virtual reality event. You can drive for miles without seeing a single campaign sign for anyone. This includes former 2010 Tea Party hot spots and 2008 Ron Paulists. Therefore we decided to bypass partisan politics, governments, central banks (private or state), capitalist states and state capitalism entirely. The standard method for becoming ‘wealthy’ has been to exploit low cost labor that is not your own. We view what others understand as “3d Printers” as a primary tool to empower whites to do this. This is in pursuit of the magical moment when white males and females fruitfully fuck with complete disregard of economic factors.
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Posted by passerby on January 29, 2012, 11:57 AM | #
There are just three sets of conditions capable of bringing this about at a level where we can compete numerically with the others. - Lebensraum / expansion into unpopulated territory Which are you angling for? I, lolzlzlz, danielj, and uh are all for the second. Unfortunately encouraging die-off at this stage would only benefit the masa-folk. The hope is that our European sociobiology reasserts itself after a certain gross amount of die-off in the shape of better organization and the will to finish the job upon the others. Would be a huge risk anyhow.
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Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 29, 2012, 01:55 PM | #
Set Four, workfare. And with most of the fucking done in mortgage-free houses built by Community Land Trusts. Granted, things in the woods and fields can get really au natural from time to time.
The entire point of “Lebensraum” is to obtain additional resources in a resource constrained condition. In your view which critical resources are both absent and could be obtained by that strategy? 6
Posted by J Richards on January 29, 2012, 03:33 PM | # Dr. Graham Lister @1
The rest of your comment is based on this straw man. I addressed the problem of social credit when it comes to excessive natural resources depletion and hence maintaining quality of life. It’s not a smart phone that’ll be causing this problem, but big items, such as the house example. What’s the bright idea behind giving someone a house if he expands his brood beyond replacement level and now there’s the problem of more resource utilization for the expanded population? You’re pathetic doctor. You can’t come up with a response without resorting to straw men. Ex-pro white activist @2 Your comment addresses a few household items that could be built using 3D printers, but like I pointed out, what about VLSI chips? You can add things like automobiles. You would’ve noted that advances in software have reduced the need for humans doing some things that software does. Sometimes relatively simple things need a great deal of initial investment, and there’s only so much one can do to bring the costs down. The recordable DVDs you can buy come with a dye that you burn holes into, an error-ridden process that has a limited life, whereas commercial DVDs have the data stamped on a metal foil that’s pressed within plastic discs. The equipment necessary for producing commercial DVDs, which are clearly superior and more reliable, is way beyond the means of the average person, and costs won’t be coming down anytime soon. In general, there’s a problem with technology reducing the need for human labor and how the displaced humans can end up with enough money to maintain an acceptable quality of life, which needs to be addressed. 7
Posted by passerby on January 29, 2012, 06:52 PM | #
We would like to know about your and GT’s focus on mineral resources, but between us we haven’t been able to fully grasp what you have in mind. I believe Daniel described your approach as “vague practicality”. In our view nothing is really possible, but if something could be done, the best way to affect large-scale change would be to attack infrastructure — utilities, transport, the food supply chain, beginning with synthetic fertilizers. Let the chips fall where they may sort of thing. We trust that whites alone will be prepared in advance, while blacks will suffer massive die-off, while Latinos will scramble to keep themselves together and retreat to their lands.
Sounds fun. Uh would go for that. 8
Posted by GenoType on January 29, 2012, 10:29 PM | # J Richards, I’m not sure that I completely understand your objection. This was never about developing/manufacturing new, increasingly sophisticated USLI/VSLI chips or disks. Massive funding for R&D and clean room fabrication is not a problem for us. Nor was this ever intended to be a solution for everything or everybody, despite CapNutter’s persistent misrepresentations on that score. You’ll recall that a microcommunity is comprised of geographically proximate family and long-term friends. The primary purpose of the microcommunity is to produce food, goods, and services for people within a [informal] network. To preclude the creation of communities comprised of young serfs working for the Mises ilk, the microcommunity is organized around distributive principles – much as the Mondragon Corporation was in its early days and to a great extent, still is. (It may interest you to know that GW was crucial in helping me develop the idea when I first appeared at this website). The production of goods means manufacturing. For manufacturing we’re talking about exploiting the availability of discounted “OEM” and aftermarket technologies, and recyclable materials to construct low-cost machinery capable of producing everything from the standard household items you mentioned to aftermarket commercial/industrial parts and machinery, automobile parts and accessories, brick presses, and tractors at low cost for whites within our networks, and “competitive” prices for everybody else. In other words, we could [potentially] provide a great helluva lot of products for a great helluva lot of white people locally and through the Internet. In the past XPWA and I have used the term “open source” in reference to technology and projects. We have even mentioned the website, Open Source Ecology. An increasing number of Open Source projects are directly aimed at attracting online “Crowd Source” funding via places like Kickstarter. Thus they emphasize sexy Internet graphics. Basically, it’s “machine porn.” “Fab At Home” is one of these. Rep-rap is a far lower cost and more vibrant equivalent. Although XPWA may not appreciate my candor, this plus Rep-rap’s use of the Arduino circuit system is why he cited it. But Fab At Home looks sexier with its costly laser cut clear acrylic parts. That plus its sexier-styled, non-Wiki website. LaserSaur is another example of this “Maker Machine Porn”. There are cheaper DIY laser projects ‘out there’. Unsurprisingly these use plywood or sheet metal for cabinets rather more expensive than office furniture grade composites. The point is gaining the journeyman level “mechatronic control” of the required skills to build these machines. The literary movement should be selling this idea. Then the technology can be applied to any process that requires repetitive movement. Drills, routers, milling cutters, lathes, welding, soldering, pick-n-place… Then we apply these to all the usual industrial methods. Machining, stamping, molding, casting, joining, riveting… At this point the idea is directed toward those of us who are mechanical/materials/manufacturing engineers, electronic technologists, electricians, welders, machinists, mechanics, anybody with knowledge of G codes and SolidWorks, etc. It is probably not for you. Not at this stage, anyway. Unless, of course, you want to contribute on a voluntary basis.
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Posted by GenoType on January 29, 2012, 11:16 PM | # J Richards, There is absolutely no viable “non-market” -related reason why a microcommunity in Bumfuck, Nebraska, couldn’t be organized around the manufacture of test fixtures for printed circuit boards produced by (write in one or more company names) . One mechanical engineer, one sales engineer, one draftsman, one electronic technologist/technician, one CNC machinist, five/six electrical/mechanical assemblers. One or two positions might wear two or three hats in the beginning. No problem with that. Income, security, and “community” for one’s family, long-term friends, and maybe one or two worthy WNs in the area who have been validated through interviews and a background check. Eventually the microcommunity could be “grown” by the creation of a community land trust and local interest in joining the operation/s. Training for free and housing for the kids and young families can be built at cost through old-fashioned “barn-raisings.” 10
Posted by lolzlzlz on January 30, 2012, 03:23 AM | #
lolzozozozozozz omg thats SO kewl!!! do it prints one of ?? lozozozlozlzlzlzlz
aight GT how does we throw a CLT around bumfuck, nebraska, 11
Posted by GenoType on January 30, 2012, 06:13 AM | #
have pity on an old white man and speak english, lolz. i mean, what the fuck is ‘aight’ about? omg! valley girls are not only so 30 years ago but practically nonexistent, been replaced by spic and nigger chicks with “phat azzes getting phreaky n shit.” my trucker cap’s not backwards, my beard isn’t scraggily, my back isn’t bent and my shoulders aren’t stooped, my iq’s only slightly above average but gee whiz, have some pity! i’m still too old and tired for the “social” media thing, too stupid for nuanced textlish, and lack the potency to beat off to pics of hot chicks on those “kewl” new phones in the privacy of my bedroom while momma’s out doing the laundry. i’m kind of old-fashioned in the sense that if i’m going to fail in that department i’d much rather do it with the real thing. dare to fail outstandingly, i always say! just get back up again, if you’re still living.
haven’t thrown one up yet. will let you know when i do. it’s an idea with much potential. an intelligent young guy like you can explore CLTs just as well (probably better) than I can. meanwhile, are you looking for a business plan to get you from here to there? or is mockery your intention?
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Posted by GenoType on January 30, 2012, 06:35 AM | # lolz,
pay close attention to what this thing is doing. the printer has been adapted. note that it’s cutting, uh, ahem, ‘household items’ out of plastic and doing it quite inexpensively! apologies for the lack of capitalization, but i’m trying to do textlish and am failing miserably. i’m sure you understand. 13
Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 30, 2012, 10:17 AM | #
@passerby
We’re not focused on mineral resources. J. Richards is still signed up to Judeo-Federal Reserve urban legends of “scarcity”. I merely ventured to point out that everything he thinks will run out soon exists right under his feet or alongside him. The truth is these myths persist for the same reasons as the Judeo urban legends about the high value of crystallized carbon. Or the myths about the intrinsic value of Au. This is one of the more mediocre engineering materials from all perspectives. And unsurprisingly it’s frequently packaged and sold with crystallized carbon. He’s also a committed believer in the idea that all will be well if ‘we’ (whoever we are) can somehow capture control of a few factory buildings presently used by the US Bureau of Printing and Engraving. otoh Leon Haller wants to seize control of the bullion depository at Fort Knox. GT & I are offering the Red Pill. Explore the infinite mysteries of the universe that lie beyond gold, silver and cellulose. And if you still think these three are interesting for some reason you can easily acquire them in trade. @ J Richards
Dr. Lister frequently complains about your creation of intellectual strawmen. I think this is another instance. “A few household items” is your idée fixe. It is not mine. But that’s because I have a far better grasp of the underlying technology than you do. I would never have chosen something like Fab-At-Home to illustrate the emerged potential of Open Source robotics. I think you chose it to mainly use as another justification for your hobby horse of free printing of fiat currency. Fab-At-home is merely one of hundreds of emerging Open Source “maker” machines. And it’s far from the best one. I was drawing CAD designs and using personal computer controlled CNC equipment to produce parts 12 years ago. You are just noticing it. The technology itself is quite simple. It involves the use of computer controlled motors to operate machinery. Anyone who has a desktop printer already uses “CNC”. Standard manufacting material processes of casting, extruding, stamping, die injection, machining, vacuum forming, cutting, welding, soldering and “pick - n - place” of components are still used. These are applied to metals, plastics, fiber composites, wood and ceramics. My focus these days is on the materials that can used for localized micro-manufacturing. The ABS plastic filament used by the desktop 3d printers is a bit pricey. Bio-plastics made from locally available waste biomass will be better. Ditto for recycled plastics, aluminum and steel. All great resources.
What about Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers? What about B-2 bombers? This particular fallacy proposes that because we can’t instantly do everything, we shouldn’t do anything. That’s a very common criticism in the non-Movement. And it’s the principle reason for non-movement. Real life proceeds in incremental steps. So what about Intel’s products? They are essentially on a commodity basis now. RAM of all kinds already is a commodity product. You will see this production migrate to a more distributed basis soon enough. Refurbished laptops suitable for controlling all of these robotic tools are available for $80 on eBay, in bulk. The wipe-out in US manufacturing occurred in a very particular sector. This was primarily in “light manufacturing”.
No, you can deduct things like automobiles. And more importantly, you can also deduct modular farm tractors and construction equipment. http://opensourceecology.org/ This is coming whether anyone likes it or not. The important question is whether one seizes the opportunity or not. Here in Florida the Great 2012 Republican Presidential Primary is tomorrow. Yesterday I took a routine three mile trot around my heavily Republican community. I saw exactly one (1) piece of campaign signage. This was a small Obama 2012 car sticker. I later saw four (4) Ron Paul signs outside the early voting location while driving to the store. These people simply don’t believe in “politics” anymore. This includes many spots that were Tea Party yard sign hotbeds just 14 months ago. The partisan election process is now a 100% virtual reality event. The only thing accomplished by the regular expenditure of hundreds of millions is to help the obsolete mass media stave off bankruptcy. I think about the above situation every time someone proposes a policy that requires a vast political mobilization. “Take back the Federal Reserve at the ballot box” is one of these nostrums. The 1%‘ers decide the policies among themselves and then groom candidates they can rely on to implement these policies. The 20%‘ers then diligently promote these candidates using an array of gimmicks to excite emotions.
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Posted by Liberal Heresy on January 30, 2012, 03:00 PM | # XPWA / GT Gentlemen, this sounds of interest for micro-community purposes, but I wonder, is it anything more than an interim solution? You still have the state in existence, in general overall control of the wider territory; legally and extra-legally pouring hundreds of thousand of non-Europeans into the territory, enforcing egalitarian policies and in due course probably with only selective law enforcement as the social pressures, ethno-political manipulation and dwindling financial resources start to tell. European racially based groups redistributing the bulk of profits between them and also attempting to trade openly, far and wide sounds as if it may be a little exposed? Do I misunderstand? What is your view on this? 15
Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on January 30, 2012, 05:53 PM | # @Liberal Heresy
Do you expect to start a brick wall by laying the top course of bricks first? That’s essentially the proposition that’s been offered by every generation of US white non-leaders since 1945. “Give us total national power and we’ll do (unspecified) great things.” J. Richards has non-stop answers. But they are all centered on somehow first gaining control of the U.S. Bureau of Printing and Engraving factory infrastructure. He will also need control of the courts, police, prisons and military. That’s because force majeure is the only way to enforce legal tender laws for paper money. How to achieve this control is what has him stumped. This top down approach has been subject to a law of ever diminishing returns every cycle. Dipstick check: Here in Florida tomorrow’s primary participation (including early voting and mail-ins) will probably be less than 10% of the population. And this is after the equivalent of hundreds of millions worth of media time, including ‘news’ shows and pieces of all kinds. That is the measure of just how alienated and disaffected the population is from the political process. Families, communities (and economies) are organic entities. They’re formed from smaller to larger components in the course of daily life.
We already have this.
Everyone is going to be moving into micro-communities of one kind or another. Even Murray’s 20%‘ers are living there.
Rekindling economic resources is the top priority. And it’s not done in 5 minutes on touch screen voting tablets every 2-4 years. And still less is it done by collecting money from impoverished white families and handing it over to Jewish dominated media to try to entice people to manipulate the voting tablets. I’ve never claimed this as a complete solution. I do claim it’s the only possible doorway to any broadbrush Master of the Universe solution, whether by J. Richards or L. Haller. 16
Posted by Liberal Heresy on January 30, 2012, 07:08 PM | # XPWA OK thank you, I wanted to understand. I find it an interesting area, but no, I am not in those categories of engineering type that you outlined, so I’m just looking in. I’m also not taking the opportunity to just relieve myself in your tent, I’m trying to see the fuller lineaments of your ideas. On JR, let’s not join the sneering set, offering creative ideas should not be disdained, but evaluated. Nose thumbing is unproductive and when not accompanied by much else is of little benefit. I too am sceptical of the magic bullet of taking charge of the creation of money. The struts of power do not seem to sit solely on control of the creation of money. Kick them away and would everything topple after it? I don’t believe so. But it certainly is one key strut. Here in the UK there is a growing awareness of its relevance across the board, not just in radical quarters. So a change (or at least a review initially) might be achieved through its entering mainstream political consciousness; not realistically through a political vehicle of the radical right/WN, however you might categorise that. That fact may, or may not be a positive thing (in that the idea enters the wider public sphere through non-aligned sources). It is early days but it is certainly not just a hobby horse of the radical right here as inherited originally from the Social Crediters and others. This website for instance has already formed many student groups of no strong political affiliation (and is not a ‘white’ thing.) It has Members of Parliament, professional economists and others interacting with them. No reason why it could not also occur stateside. In the US I believe it still has a heavy overlay of that tax rebel, conspiracist association although Ron Paul’s Audit The Fed (& some of the writings of the Austrians and sites like Lou Rockwell) has brought some of the themes closer to the mainstream, controlled opposition, or not. Anyway, I think we must agree our solution involves rock solid analysis and a hierarchy of our people in the roles that best serve the wider community and linked together both globally and locally. Funding a range of micro-communities is of course a vital part of that, so your ideas are potentially very pertinent; but defending them from those who wish us harm when they make themselves visible is the other side of the coin. 17
Posted by GenoType on January 30, 2012, 08:28 PM | #
I am not sneering at JR. I am fully grateful and indebted to him for pointing out something I had vaguely suspected in the past, but couldn’t quite wrap my mind around because it was so goddamn unmentionable if not unthinkable: Banker control of the U.S. Government. I mean, surely the Federal Reserve was paying the “full price” (or most of it) for those green pieces of paper! JR’s statements on that score discombobulated me, as I know for certes it did a helluva lot of others but for different reasons. It had the added benefit of neutralizing much of Leon Haller’s incessant utilitarian moralizing and economic posturing. My only disagreement with Richards is on tactics. As it stands now, with/without the populace behind us, we will not seize-hold the Treasury. Without preparation and laying the proper foundations we will not identify-locate-kill-evade-kill significant numbers of plutocrats before their “private” and government resources are able to identify-locate-kill us. Yes, there is need for education on white slavery, the hoax, and 911 – but in the home and slowly, tactfully among long-time friends in the community. Slave revolts typically fail. Weaker parties to contracts do what they are told. A “critical mass” must become something more than slaves or minor signatories to a contract. A partial but extremely important means of becoming “something more” is what XPWA and I propose. ——————————— Re: Radical despair. We’re not despairing.
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Posted by Captainchaos on January 31, 2012, 04:50 AM | #
Having fun with sockpuppets, Uh? Not that I find anything intrinsically objectionable about it; it is after all a set piece of GT’s online commentary.
Yeah, if you can’t actually accomplish anything meaningful, might as well break some shit. I’ll believe it when I see it. LOL ____________________________________________________
Not even eventually, you know, ‘in the fullness of time’ and all that? Then what fucking good is it?
Why so butthurt, GT?
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Posted by Jan on February 01, 2012, 02:50 AM | # Another dimension of this problem is machines and robots increasingly replacing human soldiers: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2012/01/drone-diplomacy-comply-or-die.html
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Posted by Jan on February 01, 2012, 02:53 AM | # http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2012/01/the-future-of-warfare.html
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Posted by J Richards on February 02, 2012, 08:10 PM | # GenoType @8 I don’t have any issues with micro-communities. There’s a macro community or whole society out there and there’s a problem with technology displacing humans. If advances make it cheap to buy a smart phone computer board online and take it to a local shop that will come up with the rest of the parts using a 3D printer or one uses a 3D printer oneself, you have almost half a million Chinese out of the work they’re doing right now. Now you may say that the Chinese aren’t your concern. But it’ll come home, too. This is why I brought up the issue of social credit for the displaced. Ex-Pro White Activist @13
A straw man. Resource utilization by an expanding human population, already numbering 7 billion, especially with respect to quality of life, is a valid concern. It can’t be reduced to everything will run out.
Another straw man. Factory buildings aren’t the issue as money can exist and function well in digital form. The crucial issue is control of the money supply. Money can be viewed as the lifeblood of an economy, and its importance should be self-evident. Haller doesn’t want to seize control of Fort Knox. There’s no gold there. The bankers took it as collateral against the national debt a long time ago, and hence the gold’s in the possession of the people Haller wants the gold to be with.
A few household items is definitely true of the capabilities of the low cost 3D printers at present. In most cases, it’s cost effective to buy the items as needed, including from a thrift store if one’s down on money, instead of buying a 3D printer. Capability and cost will improve undoubtedly, but whereas trickle-down manufacturing capabilities facilitate micro-communities to keep up with technology and maintain relative independence, macro societies are a different matter and hostile elements will tend to interfere with micro-communities that become more independent of the society at large. Again, I have nothing against micro communities, but the post was about a problem with technology displacing humans and how it can be solved.
A pathetic strawman. Nowhere have I indicated that we shouldn’t do anything. It seems to have escaped your attention that in my previous post, I directed the reader to low cost computer boards that could be used for smart phones and hand-held computers: http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/alternatives_to_globalization_delivering_the_goods So, I myself have directed the reader to do something, and can’t be accused of saying that we shouldn’t do anything, but this post was about a general problem that I don’t see you addressing.
This misses the point. One still needs a significant amount of money to purchase modular parts for a tractor and put it together oneself. Where’s the money going to come from when things are going downhill? Modern societies work more efficiently with a high level of division of labor. A single power plant producing 20 MW is more efficient [fewer losses] than a 100 power plants producing a total of 20 MW. Similarly, there’s no way the efficiency of people buying modular tractors and assembling them can compare with the efficiency of a factory assembling the tractors. A modern society works more efficiently in the latter case, which poses a problem of its own in terms of people out of work, but social credit can solve this problem. This doesn’t mean that trickle-down manufacturing capabilities aren’t welcome; they’re more than welcome, but my post never addressed the micro-community issues that you’ve brought up. Ex-Pro White Activist @15
No again. Money doesn’t have to exist in printed form. Bits and bytes will do [it’s just that computer entries by private banks had better correspond to money issued by someone else on a 1:1 basis]. And control of courts, police, etc. isn’t required to solve the money problem. I’ve already pointed it out to you that I’m not stumped on how to proceed: http://www.majorityrights.com/money#implementation 22
Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on February 06, 2012, 09:33 AM | #
Really? No kidding? Do you mean someone from my brokerage doesn’t run over to the CBOE with paper money in a briefcase every time I execute a listed stock options trade on my PC? Imagine that. Hoocoodanode? Ok. We’ll substitute you gaining control of Ben Bernanke’s laptop, user id and password for the Bureau of Printing and Engraving.
Why do you complain so much about Leon Haller’s obstinate behavior and then turn right around and emulate it? Do you perhaps suffer from autism? I ventured to introduce you to a world of highly scalar micro-industrial technologies. These can be learned, controlled and supplied at “community” level. In response you behave exactly like Dustin Hoffman in “Rainman”. “Fiat money fiat money fiat money.” You imagine there is a universe of difference between yourself and Leon. From my perspective you are two adjacent peas in the same monetarist pod. You claim “federal” central bank money is best. Leon claims commodity backed private central bank money is best. My goal is to outfit young white men to accept either. Or to refuse both forms and still get all the pussy they can handle.
After reading that I’ve concluded your understanding of production and technology is probably inferior to Mordechai Levy’s knowledge of industrial processes circa 1848. Here is proof certain that you are ignoring everything said, exactly as Haller does. Clearly you didn’t bother actually reading anything. The CAD Plans Corp (DIY earth digging equipment) is run by an engineer who used to work for Caterpillar Corp. Similary, OSE’s equipment is buildable for 80% discounts over comparable central factory equipment that you claim is ‘cheaper’ and ‘efficient’. Doing so; a) Bypasses a hell of a lot of taxes and usury interest b) Enables individuals and family groups to directly capitalize their own labor. And they can do so without paying taxes, bar association ‘taxes’ (a/k/a “insurance”) or usury interest on it. c) Offers routes for unemployed whites to become employed and generate economic surpluses capable of supporting more little whites. Both you and Leon constantly miss this with your common asinine obsession on central banking and Mount Olympus level “economic policy”.
What’s pathetic is the monomaniacal monetarist obsession that you share with Leon Haller. I will hazard a guess that you have never produced a single physical item that one other human would purchase with any kind of money. I know Leon hasn’t. Taking the most favorable viewpoint, I choose to believe that you are fundamentally ignorant about any kind of production process. This might not be your fault and it can be remedied given a willingness to do so. What is evil is persisting in invincible ignorance on the Ingsoc principle that “Ignorance Is Strength”. Or are you also a lawyer like Leon?
Yes they are. Your “money” will soon have just as much value as Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwean dollars. That proposes many illegal acts. I will not even discuss it conceptually. Safety note: there is plenty of room in Matt Hale’s wing in ADX Florence Supermax. Or in Simon Sheppard’s half-way parole house.
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Posted by Ex-Pro White Activist on February 06, 2012, 10:41 AM | #
In the big scheme of things who gives two hutes about toys like smart phones and tablet computers? Do you support yourself and a family? Or are you another of these ‘white leaders’ still living with the parents? GT & I do have living breathing families. And thus we have more than passing familiarity with real rubber-hits-the-road family economics. Run down a notional white nuclear family budget. Like Willie Sutton’s banks, that’s where the big money is. 1. And at the very top of the list are housing costs. Now you can revisit OSE and review the “Compressed Earth Brick” press. This is also why Community Land Trusts loom so large for us. 2. In second position is Food. See the OSE Life-Trac. FYI, the “Life Trac” Powercube is a hydraulic power unit. This is convenient since many devices use hydraulic power, including many of the backhoe and trencher designs sold by CAD Plans Corp. 3. Education costs are another big ticket item. And this is where the stuffed shirt eggheads of the non-Movement are MIA, missing in action. Hint-hint: http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm Nah! Better that young white girls take on $150k in lifetime student debt to pay for non-white professors teaching useless subjects. And then afterward prostitute themselves on Craigslist and other venues to try to pay it back.
Proof positive of Haller-clone behavior on your part, combined with ignorance. You write this because you are throwing jello at wall, not because you actually understand what “20 MW” really is. “20 MW” means “20 megawatts.” And this is very small for a modern central thermal plant run with uranium, coal or natural gas. New design single reactor plants can easily generate 1,000 MW. Coal plants run around 600 MW and up. Even fast start n-g plants come in at 250 MW and up. And it’s small for existing mega-scale hydro plants like Hoover or Grand Coulee Dams. But 20 MW is right up the alley of the “Small Hydro” projects that I’ve advocated here periodically. I do admit that I don’t care about unemployed Chinese in Asia or North America. Nor am I worried about unemployed blacks either in Africa or the USA. They can tend to themselves. My sole interest is what’s best for the future of white people. Consequently I am uninterested in multi-racial and multi-cultural monetarism and economics. I am interested in white community but I want more than a virtual empire of the mind here.
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Posted by J Richards on February 06, 2012, 11:23 PM | # Ex-Pro White Activist @22, 23
Yes.
To which I have no objections.
No. I’ve told you I don’t want the government in banking. For a couple of months I’ve maintained that the government should issue and control money, not get itself into banking. Before your post, I revised my stance and now state that government control of money is the second best proposal: http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/sound_money_arthur_kitson
You’re confusing production and money issues. You can’t argue against the notion of greater efficiency of production by a factory as opposed to individuals assembling factory products themselves by referring to money issues in the present. Get rid of interest and have money controlled by a government or the people and then tell me if people assembling tractors on their own is anywhere as efficient as a factory doing it en masse.
Money is the lifeblood of an economy. You’re concerned with the working of the kidneys when blood flow issues in the body can cause kidney failure or destroy the body and then the kidney would be grub for microorganisms. I’m not opposing your interest and work on the kidneys, but you don’t seem to grasp the relevance of blood flow issues and take a cheap shot by suggesting that I’ve never produced anything of any worth.
The kind of money I want doesn’t exist. It’s fiat money okay but under the control of a government or, preferably, the people. I’ve told you before that Mugabe has nothing to do with Zimbabwean dollars as the nation’s central bank is under private control.
Don’t discuss it if you wish, but don’t tell me I’m clueless about how to proceed. If focused mass protests can’t be brought about, operating within the law will achieve little to nothing.
The discussion was prompted by Apple’s products and went into the issue of technology displacing people from work. Yes, housing, food and education are important issues, but they require plenty of money. The trickle-down technologies you’re talking about don’t solve the money problem. They facilitate relatively more independent community living assuming there’s no initial money problem in setting up such communities, but rest assured the people behind the money problem would like humanity enslaved to them and won’t be too pleased with independent communities. So whereas I’ve nothing against independent micro-communities, I’m more inclined toward focusing on the broader money control issue.
Okay so you do understand what 20 MW is, but what you don’t get is that the argument isn’t about 20 MW or 200 MW or 2000 MW. The argument is that a single power plant producing a given amount of power is clearly more efficient than multiple power plants producing the same amount of power in totality. You know this is true and that the analogy applies to division of labor in a complex society. Modern societies work better with a high level of division of labor. Your proposal reduces the division of labor and makes the system less efficient. What I’m saying is that when the people control the money supply, then society can prosper under the more efficient high level of division of labor, which increasingly involves people being displaced by machines, without a money problem if one employs some of the ideas of social credit. You’re grasping at straws by focusing on issues such as the 20 in 20 MW instead of the broader issues that prompted the post.
This reveals your problem, not the fact that you’re not concerned with the Chinese or blacks, but the fact that you don’t seem to think beyond micro-communities. You’re not appreciating blood flow issues because you’re so focused on internal working of the kidneys. Unemployed blacks will be looking to mug you. Unless you have a way of shipping them off to Africa, you have to think about what happens to the blacks in your midst. And if a 100-IQ Chinese population could suffer from massive unemployment issues because the workers are being displaced by technology, then it won’t be long before the problem strikes white societies, too. 25
Posted by Captainchaos on February 07, 2012, 03:37 AM | #
I don’t think it much of a secret, Maguire, that Richards holds a barely concealed contempt for the earthy and ribald simplicity of the White working class. For Richards the calculation is simple: he can make more money with less effort doing what he does than in building heavy farm equipment from scratch; and he wouldn’t be much good at the latter even if he attempted it. As such, of course Richards favors an economic system which better serves his genetic interests even at the expense of others’ genetic interests.
LOL “Microcommunities microcommunities microcommunities.”
And this after I was all but swept away in the spirit of your “Fuck your Waspdom, I’m a Kraut!” comment in Drew Fraser’s thread over at TOO. A German taking orders from a Limey just seems to go against the natural order of things, wouldn’t you say?
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Posted by Graham_Lister on January 29, 2012, 08:34 AM | #
Coercive state-sponsored sterilizations for iPhones - what an outstanding public policy idea!
I don’t actually think that an iPhone is a vital requirement for life; guess I don’t worship at the Mall of America.
Just when I thought this place could not get any more silly…and you wounder why your ideas have such miniscule traction with normal people? It really is free-for-all of belief in one crackpot thing so why not go for lots and lots of such ‘ideas’.
One does start to wonder if these ideas are some sort of attempt at satire or are we in the territory of Asperger syndrome? There has to be some rational explanation!
Let alone wouldn’t one of your public policy goals be an increase in white birth-rates to above the replacement rate? Oh no sorry expecting any form of common sense or coherence is obviously ‘evil’.
Now I need to listen to some Bach to recover my equilibrium.