Indian women snap at gropers

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 10:22 AM | #

When myself and my then partner travelled through India two years ago, a similar thing happened. It’s certainly not unheard of in “polite” India.

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 10:25 AM | #

BTW - John Ray’s ideal country is Brazil, not India. He does like Indians a lot, but his model society is definitely Brazil.

Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 12, 2006, 10:50 AM | #

“BTW - John Ray’s ideal country is Brazil, not India. He does like Indians a lot, but his model society is definitely Brazil. “

Steve, what does it tell you that John Ray is, and is allowed to be, the most prolific blogger on this site?

How are “Majority Rights” compatible with the reduction of the majority to minority status through Brazilization?

Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 12, 2006, 10:54 AM | #

And if phenotype is of such interest here, why not the overall extended phenotype of human organisms, which includes the behavior described in Phil’s post, the correlation between South Asians and autism in vulnerable populations as described by James Bowery, as well as this:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6696
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8183

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 11:00 AM | #

Not all is lost, Slinker - John Ray recently admitted that race replacement is an established fact, rather than the “silliest thing” he’s ever heard. Of course, he drew the wrong conclusions from this, but you’ll appreciate who is conceding ground here, and who isn’t budging an inch.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 12, 2006, 11:07 AM | #

When myself and my then partner travelled through India two years ago, a similar thing happened. It’s certainly not unheard of in “polite” India.

A girl I dated at Uni went to India in her gap year. Someone grabbed her breast (same scenario) when she was in a crowded market place. She caught the chap by his collar and punched him in the face. The guy fell to the ground and then ran like a scared puppy. I guess he’d never been punched by a woman before.  (chuckle)

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 02:13 PM | #

Hilarious! Unfortunately, I was a few yards ahead of my partner in a crowded market outside of the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad, so I didn’t see the incident in time.

I’m sure there are a number of lessons somewhere in that story!

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 12, 2006, 02:29 PM | #

Yes that was quite hilarious when I found out. I can imagine seeing her doing it as she’s about 5’10” and would have towered well above most Indian men.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 12, 2006, 02:35 PM | #

As I wrote, this is a fairly common practice all over the Middle East and South Asia. Another acquiantance recently came back from a holiday in Morrocco.

She was walking down a street in a crowded market in Marrakesh when an Arab male jumped in front of her and said, “Baby you have the most beautiful breasts I have ever seen!”. Luckily, her boyfriend joined her a minute later, so the guy slipped away and nothing untoward happened.

Packing off western feminists (who always whine and complain about the oppressive western patriarhical society) to such locations may benefit both them and us tremendously.

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 02:39 PM | #

“western feminists”

Spit!

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 12, 2006, 02:52 PM | #

An American friend of mine who is quite a bit older than me went to university for his education in the 1980s in the states. One of his “buddies” at the School was a Japanese guy who just loved taking the piss with political correctness (which obviously wasn’t as strong back then).

At that time a famous feminist (can’t remember her name - MacKinnon I think) was visiting the Campus. She was addressing a large gathering where our Japanese friend decided to take a seat in the lecture theatre. After the Feminist finished her lecture, it was time for people to ask questions. So our Japanese friend stuck his hand up to ask a question.

The Feminist kept ignoring him initially but she couldn’t because he was persistent. So she finally gave him a chance. He stood up and said, “Im sorry but I have a q-question. Why are all Feminists so ugly?”.

LMAO!!

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 03:01 PM | #

I wonder if our correspondent is still with us!

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 12, 2006, 03:06 PM | #

Well they couldn’t say anything because he wasn’t white. The hall was pakced with white women.

If a white male had said that…............

Posted by Steve Edwards on March 12, 2006, 03:38 PM | #

“Well they couldn’t say anything because he wasn’t white.”

They’re so predictable, aren’t they?

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that we are living in a Soviet nightmare. I bet there is more intellectual freedom in most of the former Eastern bloc than there is in the West.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 12, 2006, 04:34 PM | #

I bet there is more intellectual freedom in most of the former Eastern bloc than there is in the West.

That’s a given.

Posted by jonjayray on March 12, 2006, 08:35 PM | #

I think it’s actually a frustration response
India is a very puritanical country
Something similar happens in Japan

Posted by jonjayray on March 12, 2006, 08:36 PM | #

“John Ray’s ideal country is Brazil”

It’s actually Austraia, funnily enough

Posted by Al Ross on March 12, 2006, 11:01 PM | #

The British press sometimes report sexual assault cases by doctors on patients and the disproportionate number of miscreant medics from the Indian sub-continent is startling. I’m sure the British Medical Association have these cases on file and that wholesale publication of their findings would, er, promote ‘racism’.

Posted by Guessedworker on March 13, 2006, 03:30 AM | #

Al, that’s dead right.  Almost every mainstream press article about a GP who has, shall we say, gone beyond the strict requirements of his profession names an Indian.  Dr Sepia, it seems, is just too excitable.

Is this phenomenon a pecularity to Britain?  No reason why it should be.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 13, 2006, 04:52 PM | #

I think it’s actually a frustration response

That’s a pretty dumb argument, John. I thought you’d come up with something better. But it is better than your farcical explanations about such things arising because of Third World poverty.

The US and Britain were pretty puritanical until the end of the 19th century. But you would struggle to find accounts of such widespread molestation of women here.

My explanation, Despotism. Lack of any moral virtue, which also accounts for the utter lack of honesty in dealings and their widespread corruption.

Your problem is, you mistake politeness for honesty, courtesy for scrupulousness.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 13, 2006, 04:57 PM | #

I think it’s actually a frustration response

Come to think of it, that’s also a Freudian explanation. Straight out of the idiocy of Freud.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 13, 2006, 05:23 PM | #

I should say something about the politeness aspect since John repeats that point quite often here.

Excruciating politeness is often a sign of a despotism where people learn to extract favours by (to use a crude term but perfect apt in this case) “sucking up” to those who wield any authority. The result is that you will have a polite society in which every one is extremely polite to every one else but no one can actually trust anyone. Politeness may then become an end in itself.

I would prefer, however, to live in a society where people are blunt but honest rather than polite but treacherous.

Posted by Al Ross on March 13, 2006, 06:05 PM | #

Phil Peterson’s salient point about exaggerated politeness and despotism’s being related is buttressed by my own experience as a long-time expat who has had extensive dealings with Malays. They are, at least in their rural variant, nature’s gentlemen (as several British colonial administrators have noted) yet one hesitates to trust them in financial matters, partly because they just dont trust one another.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 13, 2006, 06:22 PM | #

Al,

Northern Europeans are not known for being polite but political corruption and dishonesty in dealings is also the lowest in Northern Europe (or Northern European derived societies).

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on March 13, 2006, 07:34 PM | #

I would prefer, however, to live in a society where people are blunt but honest rather than polite but treacherous.

As a southerner who’s lived in the northeast and in CA, I find the dilemma (this isn’t the first time I’ve heard it) a false one.  The “the blunt and honest,” in practice, usually just lack manners without making up for it in honesty.

Still, I think there’s truth to your statements about the correlation between despotism and politeness.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 14, 2006, 03:15 PM | #

Svy,

I think the lack of honesty that you refer to in the northern states would probably pale in comparison with the norm in the Third World.

Posted by Phil Peterson on March 14, 2006, 03:30 PM | #

Svy,

I should also say that there is a difference between the politeness of the South that you admire and the politeness that John refers to.

Southern politeness I would refer to as “civility” - the behaviour of good civilized men but without the excessive sugar-coated friendliness that is characteristic of the cultures of the East.

Eastern politeness is more “extreme” (if I may use that term) and would fluctuate depending upon the power (or authority) of a person’s interlocutor. So, the degree of “politeness” extended to an ordinary person would be nothing compared to what is offered to a servant of the Government (or the Despot). It is a politeness driven by fear, jealousy, insecurity and a desire to extract material benefits because life in despotisms is a zero sum game.

The concept of getting ahead by honest work is severely undermined and so trickery, dishonesty and cunning replace hard work in the order of priorities.

Posted by Stan on March 14, 2006, 09:08 PM | #

Did you read about Mexico’s attempt educate people about sexual harrasment. They used commercials with sex dolls in the role of women in the workplace. Sexual harrassment in the workplace is rife in Mexico and probably other Latin American countries.

Shows you that sexual frustration isn’t limited to Middle Eastern or Asian countries.

The US and Britain were pretty puritanical until the end of the 19th century. But you would struggle to find accounts of such widespread molestation of women here.

A few hundred molestations of women in a population of a billion isn’t really defined as widespread. What was the population of the US and Britain in the 19th century? How many women would have even reported it?

Posted by Tamilian on October 02, 2006, 04:22 PM | #

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