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Indian beautyI forget who put up the posts concerned but somebody here was saying that the best of Western women are much more attractive than the best of Indian women. The evidence used was of beauty contest winners. And if you look at the three Misses India below, I can see the point.
From here An obvious point, however, is that it is Indian selection criteria that are different rather than Indian women. And one of the “runners up” in the latest round of contests bears that out. In my view she should have been the clear winner but all she got was a consolation prize (“Miss Photogenic”). See her below: So I don’t think contest winners make an adequate criterion. Posted by jonjayray on Monday, March 20, 2006 at 08:16 AM in Ethnicity and Ethnic Genetic Interests Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on March 20, 2006, 08:58 AM | # Yes, she is heavily featured by European standards, with a wide jaw, rather substantial lips, wide nose bridge etc. These features would not correspondent to beauty in absolute terms in the European sense, whether we are talking about north or south Europeans. I note that the three contestants are all light-skinned ladies, in line with the fashion for light-skinned Bollywood filmstars. So JR’s wider point that there is a general and, therefore, not entirely subjective cognition of physical beauty which tends towards lighter skin and, also, finer-boned features - gracility, he would probably call it - holds good. 3
Posted by onetwothree on March 20, 2006, 08:59 AM | # Beauty contests really never have the best looking women. Sometimes, they have the best looking women who fit a strict, conventional look. Your runner up, to me, is downright scary compared to my personal favorite. 4
Posted by jonjayray on March 20, 2006, 10:31 AM | # “I see someone broad-nosed and thick-lipped” Cheesh! Lot of Western women are getting their lips surgically puffed up these days—the Jolie look http://my.toast.com.au/2005/07/new-baby-for-angelina-jolie.html 5
Posted by jonjayray on March 20, 2006, 10:32 AM | # “Me, I’d rather see her genetic analysis than this picture” WEEIRD! 6
Posted by Guessedworker on March 20, 2006, 10:39 AM | # Fashion is not genetics. Jolie has mixed blood, her mother being part-Iroquois. She, apparently, has an interest in the blond Nordic male, however. 7
Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 20, 2006, 10:52 AM | # “WEEIRD! “ Perhaps. Note, however, that the thread has already veered in the direction of subjective comments about the women’s attractiveness and not-so-relevant arguments about Jolie’s lips. Different issues are really being discussed here. Are the women attractive? Who thinks so, and why? More to the point, does their attractiveness or lack thereof influence whether we want them as immigrants? In the last analysis, I don’t care what Indian beauty contestants look like. Let the Indians worry about that, it is their country, their women, and their business. 8
Posted by Steve Edwards on March 20, 2006, 12:26 PM | # “More to the point, does their attractiveness or lack thereof influence whether we want them as immigrants?” That is always the subtext with JJR. 9
Posted by Søren Renner on March 20, 2006, 12:30 PM | # “Jolie has .. an interest in the blond Nordic male. . .” And orphans from Africa. 10
Posted by Marcus on March 20, 2006, 02:16 PM | # Does anyone here read the Dienekes Pontikos blog? Dienekes has demonstrated quite conclusively that Mediterraneans (both the men and the women) are the most attractive of all peoples, regardless of whether the observer comes from Northern or Southern Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. Lately he has made composite faces of each European ethnicity, and in a poll, the readers of his site overwhelmingly picked the Mediterraneans as the most attractive. Even Fred Scrooby said his Northern European wife preferred the dark Southern Europeans to males of her own ethnicity. Interestingly, there seems to be a universal standard of beauty: Even those who consciously think they prefer Nordic or some other type, find themselves subconsciously picking Mediterraneans in polls and scientific studies. The preference seems to be biologically rooted, even if nobody knows quite what the mechanism behind it is (Dienekes has speculated that dark hair has a “framing effect” on lighter-skinned faces, drawing attention to—and intensifying selective pressure on—beautiful faces. Northern Europeans, on the other hand, evolved blonde hair to draw attention away from their less attractive faces.) 11
Posted by Guessedworker on March 20, 2006, 02:26 PM | # Marcus, Dinekes Pontekos seems to have an agenda for Turkics. 12
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on March 20, 2006, 02:36 PM | #
Oooh, well then, it’s all decided then, isn’t it? Heh. Yes, the alternate photo JJR posted shows an attractive Indian woman. I also see better-looking white women everywhere I go. 13
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on March 20, 2006, 02:37 PM | # And yes, she is masculine-looking. 14
Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 20, 2006, 04:02 PM | # “Dienekes has demonstrated quite conclusively..” How did he do this? Evidence? Methodology? “that Mediterraneans” define: Mediterraneans “Lately he has made composite faces of each European ethnicity” Choosing the models for the composites based on what criteria? “and in a poll, the readers of his site overwhelmingly picked the Mediterraneans as the most attractive.” If true, so what? “Even Fred Scrooby said his Northern European wife preferred the dark Southern Europeans to males of her own ethnicity. That’s a sample size of one. Question: if a mother finds another woman’s child more attractive than her own, should she dump her own child in a dumpster and attempt to take the other woman’s child instead. Translation: re: your comment; even if true, who cares? 15
Posted by Marcus on March 20, 2006, 04:02 PM | # >> Dinekes Pontekos seems to have an agenda for Turkics I don’t understand. What has he said that is not backed up by evidence? 16
Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 20, 2006, 04:17 PM | # Marcus, then tell us, as I’ve just asked, what that evidence is, and, as well, answer the other questions I’ve posed - including and especially the last one. My own personal opinion is that there is considerable variety in tastes with respect to attraction, but that Negroid and Australoid phenotypes are almost always viewed as repulsive by members of other races and that members of those races as well prefer other women to their own. 17
Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 20, 2006, 05:37 PM | # I don’t know of all this evidence of which you speak, but I’ll make a few comments. A preference for dark hair, which was found in some opinion polls, does not have anything to do with the issue of facial features; northern europeans have dark hair as well. So, if British men favor dark-haired British women to blonde British women, that does not support the claims made by Marcus. The composite polls on the Pontikos site have several problems. To begin with the people going to that site and participating in the poll may not be representative of the general population. Furthermore, composites of ethnic phenotypes are as ‘valid’ for real-life as are imaginary ‘modal samples’ for ethnic genotypes. Not valid at all. Only samples of real people are of significant relevance. Another point of course is that the choice of models for the composites influences the outcome. Yet another point: the more heterogeneous the population with respect to phenotype, the less relevant willl be a composite to reality, and the greater the chance that the composite will improve attractiveness, by averaging out extreme features. Thus, if southern europeans are phenotypically more heterogeneous than northern europeans - in facial features, obviously not in coloring - as is likely given evidence for genetic heterogeneity, than the composite methodology will give southern europeans an advantage over northern europeans with respect to the type of polling at the Pontikos site. A more fair evaluation would be to attempt to accumulate ‘random’ pictures of members of those groups (parliment members, crowds, even beauty contestants) - pictures of *individual* people, not composites, and then evaluate each individual and then average the results. That is, first evaluate individuals and then average the results, rather than making an averaged composite and evaluating that. Real people are not composites, they are individuals representing the spectrum of their ethnic group’s biological (genotypic and phenotypic) variation. 18
Posted by Andy on March 20, 2006, 09:22 PM | # How is this even relevant to the notion of “Majority Rights”? 19
Posted by J Richards on March 21, 2006, 01:32 AM | #
Damn, Johnny boy! You forgot that it was me, and in a recent entry on hair and eye color diversity among Nordics. As I mentioned previously, political correctness in beauty contests is unlikely to anywhere as bad in India as it is in the U.S.A., but white American beauty pageant contestants still look better than their Hindu counterparts. Your preferred choice is that of a Hindu woman that leans more toward the Caucasoid racial element than the other racial elements in India, yet she lacks fine facial features. Go to any non-black college campus in the U.S. and you will quickly find dozens of white women with much better facial features. Slinker, Why do you want to examine the DNA of the woman? You sound like someone who is borderline white as far as looks are concerned. Do you recognize some of your [Southern European] kin in the form of the woman and therefore need her DNA to distinguish her from Southern Italians or the darker Greeks? Marcus, Dienekes is taking people for a ride. His composite Greek woman is based on the whiter and more attractive Greek women. It is well known that composites based on attractive people are better looking than composites based on randomly sampled people that are representative of the population. The composite white women that Dienekes has been asking people to judge are based on athletes (masculinized women), and the Greek composite athlete actually looks less attractive than the others. Besides, the Greek female athletes are volleyball players, who tend to be tall, and presumably disproportionately comprise of the whiter Greeks. Even in the U.S., if you look at white female basketball and volleyball players, they tend to be blonder than average white women, which should not be surprising given than Northern Europeans are taller than Southern Europeans and are expected to be overrepresented among ranked athletes in these sports in the U.S. Ever see the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding? The Greeks portrayed in the movie are more representative of the Greeks than Dienekes’ composite Greek woman, and I don’t see how Northern or Central European populations could regard looks as in the Greek movie characters somehow better looking than their own. 20
Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 21, 2006, 06:29 AM | # “Why do you want to examine the DNA of the woman? You sound like someone who is borderline white as far as looks are concerned. Do you recognize some of your [Southern European] kin in the form of the woman and therefore need her DNA to distinguish her from Southern Italians or the darker Greeks?” JR, if you actually read all my comments on this thread, you’ll see I critique your ‘sound-thinking’ John Ray with respect to the original post, and also soundly thrash Dienekes’ use of composites - thus *refuting* Marcus’ contention that Dienekes “proved” that southern europeans are more attractive to people than northern europeans. That is all what one would reasonably think you would agree with. However, with any mention of genetic testing you go ballistic. You aren’t worried that your underlying genetic structure isn’t ‘as European’ (or ‘white’) as your phenotype? Or are you just smarting from being out-debated elsewhere? To answer your question, no, I do not need genetic testing to distinguish that woman from any persons of European stock. However, an objective reading of her genetic background would seem to me more instructive with respect to EGI than comparing her lips to those of Angelina Jolie. Or citing Hollywood movies, very quantitative, that. 21
Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 21, 2006, 10:23 AM | # Let us consider the full text of the comment to which J Richards found a point of objection: “Miss Photogenic” looks like a camera breaker to me. No accounting for taste, I guess, but she really is not supporting your contention, John. I see someone broad-nosed and thick-lipped, who differs from the other contestants chiefly by having a lighter complexion. And, she certainly cannot compare to the “runner-ups” among western beauty contestants. But, if you like her, that is certainly your right. Me, I’d rather see her genetic analysis than this picture.” Note that I primarily focus on phenotype (which I continue later in the thread, in order to answer Marcus). I note the woman is, in my opinion, unattractive, and has the objective characteristics of a wide nose and thick lips. In my comment that she resembles the other contestants except for pigmentation is the implication that she does not resemble any European phenotypes; if that implication was not clear, I apologize for the confusion and state it here. Overall, my comments on this thread are generally supportive of J Richards’ previous posts on beauty, and were aimed at refuting John Ray and Marcus who demonstrated hostility to the ideas of those previous posts. All would seem to be in order, except the following seemingly unacceptable comment: “Me, I’d rather see her genetic analysis than this picture.” Why that personal preference should be viewed negatively, and result in ad hominem questioning of motivation, I’m not quite sure. After discussing phenotype, and making conclusions based on phenotype, I express a personal preference for genetics. So? I personally find data such as these: more interesting and informative than this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259446/ You may disagree, but it seems to me that my preference is a perfectly defensible and reasonable position. A preference for genetics over phenotypes is not the same as “Piss Christ” being shown to a devout Catholic; I’m surprised that a single sentence expressing that opinion would even need to be commented on. Getting back to argument sans ad hominem, I simply posit the following thought experiment. Take a bunch of people who’ve never seen the picture of “Miss Photogenic” before and have no idea who she is. Ask them to state what they think her ethnic/racial origin is. Then take a DNA sample from the woman. Let it be DNAPrinted for both racial and sub-racial analysis. To double-check those results, let the Ray et al group perform their Alu sequence analysis as well. If required, let Risch, Rosenberg, and Bamshad have a crack at it. Go over her nuclear genome several times, using different methodologies, if you wish; I believe the results will be internally consistent. Which method will give a more accurate reading of her ancestry? That was, and remains, my only point. I have no problem whatsoever utilizing phenotype as an evaluative tool, and acknowledge that the everyday practicality of phenotypic evaluations make them particularly important. I merely assert that these evaluations should be as objective as possible, and should take a back seat to genetic data, when genetic data are available (which they are, at least at the ethnic level). Agree or disagree, I do not understand how that is somehow an outrageous or irresponsible position. 22
Posted by J Richards on March 21, 2006, 11:18 PM | # Slinker,
Enclosing an apparent absurdity in the midst of reasonable arguments does not make it unreasonable to point out the absurdity. Since your focus is on white EGI, nobody other than a borderline white person who recognizes kin in the looks of the Hindu woman would prefer a DNA analysis in reference to white EGI.
Who outsmarted whom should be obvious to third party observers.
Since your focus is on white EGI, why should the DNA analysis of the Hindu be of any interest?
Where have I posted pornography at this site?
What porn? Regarding the thread you refer to, I cited scientific evidence in response to some hysterical comments. I don’t recall you intervening in the discussion, and neither have you cited anything contrary to the research.
Detailed genetic analyses will reveal some aspects of her ancestry that may not be obvious by looking at her. For instance, she may have greater African ancestry than what appears in her facial features or she may have DNA very similar to several Greeks, even though her ancestors going back a few generations have all been Indian. But the more important point is that no person other than someone who is borderline white, probably not accepted as white by several Northern and Central Europeans, and one who recognizes kin among the Hindu woman would bother looking at the DNA of this woman in reference to white EGI. 23
Posted by MAlcolm A on April 10, 2006, 09:57 AM | # 1. [Q]define: Mediterraneans [/Q] Posted by Slinker, Sailor, Toldya Sly The Caucasoid race has several sub races. (10 The Mediterranids (2) The Dinarics (3) The Alpines (4) Ladoganics and (5) The Nordics.(6) Armenids, (7) Turanid (8) Irano-Afghan (9)Indic or Nordindic race AND (10) Dravidic The Mediterraneans, in turn , are sub divided into several gropus such as (i) West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (ii) AS you may see the Indians or Indic or Nordindics and the Nordics are pretty close ! 24
Posted by Malcolm A on April 10, 2006, 10:07 AM | # Posted by J Richards Detailed genetic analyses will reveal some aspects of her ancestry that may not be obvious by looking at her Generally genetic analysis yields only haplogroup identity, which helps classify the individual as belonging to a certain genetically identifiable entity called the haplotype. Haplotype idenification is based on the identification of normally 2 SNP markers per open reading frame, and is considered sufficient to group the identity of the individual. These haplotpye groups also known as haplogroups are used to cluster human groups on the basis of genetic closeness ( ie family trees ) Other criteria are required for detailed classification of an individual into a higher degree such as Nordic or Nordiindic etc… As you may notice see, Science sees beauty in a totally different light. 25
Posted by Malcolm A on April 14, 2006, 01:14 PM | # posted by guessedworker 1. Yes, she is heavily featured by European standards, with a wide jaw, rather substantial lips, wide nose bridge etc. These features would not correspondent to beauty in absolute terms in the European sense, whether we are talking about north or south Europeans. http://www.bollywoodblitz.com/stars/Amrita Rao/pictures/4.shtml
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Posted by Guessedworker on April 14, 2006, 03:25 PM | # The links dead, Malcolm. You’re not married to Amrita Rao by any chance, are you? 27
Posted by J Richards on April 17, 2006, 03:52 PM | # Malcolm A, Here is a picture of Amrita Rao from your link.
It can be clearly seen that her facial features are in between Europeans and East Asians, consistent with the two major population affinities of South Asians. 28
Posted by Peter on June 02, 2007, 01:15 AM | # 29
Posted by Peter on June 02, 2007, 01:23 AM | # Oh yea! the pic i posted worked :D http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album36/amrita-rao09130602.jpg 30
Posted by ajay on June 07, 2007, 04:24 AM | # I really think Amrita Rao is the mooooooooooooost beautiful woman i’ve ever set my eyes upon, watever origin she may be of. 31
Posted by EC on June 07, 2007, 05:32 AM | # One thing to remember when examining and comparing women’s features: most wear makeup which, when skillfully applied, can alter natural lines and trick the eye. So don’t be fooled. I have seen skin color altered several shades with creams and powders. Also, one angle I have not heard in this debate is the factor of the effect of aging on the different races. In the Nordic beauties? thread the other day, I read that someone felt that hispanic women were the most beautiful. Ever see how fast the bloom is off that rose? They are usually pretty much done by age 26, at least in the US. Doesn’t it seems logical that those who have travelled extensively would have a more accurate point of view, as it makes for a better test to gauge the race as a whole (average person on the street) than by one or two carefully chosen specimens from each group on display. Just an idea… 32
Posted by Lurker on June 07, 2007, 05:59 AM | # Black girls certainly have one advantage, their skin holds up very well in the ageing process. The less-than-half black Halle Berry has certainly inherited some of that. Pampering and make up notwithstanding she could pass for some years younger than her age. Look for recent pictures of her and for comparison Pamela Anderson. Anderson (will be 40 this year) certainly looks the older of the two to me but is actually about a year younger than Berry (will be 41 this year). Halle could claim to be in her 30s and I would believe her. 33
Posted by Guessedworker on June 07, 2007, 06:10 AM | # EC: “Doesn’t it seems logical that those who have travelled extensively would have a more accurate point of view.” Or you could just stand in Picadilly Circus for twenty minutes. 34
Posted by Jean Depression on June 07, 2007, 06:39 AM | # “It can be clearly seen that her facial features are in between Europeans and East Asians, consistent with the two major population affinities of South Asians. “ Hey!, if you claim that South Asians have any affinity with East Asians, John Hawks and Dienekes Pontikos will have strokes. Of course, you need to define what you mean by “affinity” in this case. By the way, some South Asians also have negroid facial features as well. “try classifying this one on a genetic basis “ And how can one do so from a photograph? One could classify based on a phenotypic basis from a photo, and that’s all well and good. But, if you want to classify on a “genetic basis”, you do need to do a genetic analysis. I could see where desis and desiphiles may wish to avoid that. I don’t care if she is pretty or has “some flaws”, the main point that she is “Indian” Let the Indian men enjoy her aesthetics in India. 35
Posted by Jean Depression on June 07, 2007, 06:47 AM | # “1. [Q]define: Mediterraneans [/Q] Posted by Slinker, Sailor, Toldya Sly The Caucasoid race has several sub races. (10 The Mediterranids (2) The Dinarics (3) The Alpines (4) Ladoganics and (5) The Nordics.(6) Armenids, (7) Turanid (8) Irano-Afghan (9)Indic or Nordindic race AND (10) Dravidic The Mediterraneans, in turn , are sub divided into several gropus such as (i) West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (ii) Let us rephrase the original question: define Mediterannean based upon modern science, and not 70 year old anthropology texts. “AS you may see the Indians or Indic or Nordindics and the Nordics are pretty close ! “ Well, that’s the kind of inane crap you get by ignoring the last 70 years or so of science, and, yes, John Baker in “race” is an idiot as well. Nordics are in no way shape or form “close” to any South Asian peoples with respect to genetic ancestry. Whether or not they may be similar in “skull shape” or some other anthropological metric _may_ be due to the original phenotypic variation in proto-caucasians being selected for in divergent populations. That’s only a guess, not backed up by evidence. However, it’s not really relevant. The enormous genetic gulf between Nordics and South Asians is relevant. 36
Posted by PF on June 07, 2007, 07:10 AM | # I imagine that alot of internationalism, cultural mixing and “intercultural” shit and the architects who run it are to some degree driven by the underlying motive of sexual desire for foreigners. It sounds strange, and is perhaps sad, but I think it is so. Does anybody know anyone who claims to be ‘interested in another culture’? It almost always means ‘interested in sex with people from said territory’. Many of the girls doing intercultural studies at higher academic levels, whether they are studying English, or studying Asian culture, have had or do have some interest in ‘getting to know’ a certain culture in a way that involves lots of vigorous thrusting. I’ve seen fetishing for Irish, fetishism for English, (in both cases I almost couldnt believe it at first!), semi-fetishism for the Spanish, fetishism for Asians and fetishism for Indians, all in real life examples, where the people proved with their actions what they were really after. So at least some section of the population is cheering on what is occuring out of lust. 37
Posted by Peter on June 09, 2007, 05:29 PM | # Jean Depression shut up! lol 38
Posted by Lurker on June 09, 2007, 07:10 PM | # “if Amrita used a different name and told me she is Spanish or Greek I would believe her” Me too probably, interesting that a girl held up is a paragon of Indian beauty is so because she resembles a European. (Im not denying she is a pretty girl btw.) 39
Posted by Peter on June 12, 2007, 12:51 AM | # Thanks Lurker! for admitting she is pretty. 40
Posted by Peter on June 12, 2007, 12:54 AM | # “Or you could just stand in Picadilly Circus for twenty minutes.” GW 41
Posted by Jean Depression on June 12, 2007, 06:34 AM | # “Jean Depression shut up! lol” That’s an intelligent comment. “Btw i am not here to prove that Nordics and South Asians are the same” Are you “Malcolm?” The Steve Sailer/“movement activist” version of racial science. Anecdotal, subjective personal opinions determine reality. Peter shut up lol. 42
Posted by Peter on June 15, 2007, 12:29 AM | # To Jean Depression Let me ask you does she look half East Asian ? 43
Posted by Guessedworker on June 15, 2007, 09:19 AM | # Yes, frankly. But that’s not the point. When John Ray was posting this piece he was making the not very adventurous but perfectly valid observation that Indian beauty contest winners in India are not the best basis for direct comparisons with Western beauty, because the local biases were different. However, that’s not J Richards’ argument, which is that the range of features that contribute to the overall beauty ideal run from primitive to fine, and the balance of fineness lies with the Western girls. He has empirically-derived evidence supporting his thesis, which posting pictures of the odd Indian girl here does not falsify. It is also essential to understand that the other threads on which this issue has been raised argue for preservation of Western fineness, and against dilution in the vast sea of greater primitiveness which is lapping at our bedroom doors. Let us be clear, the preservation of our people is uppermost, and that preservation is genetic before it is cultural or even political. The odd personal preference for this or that coloured girl is of no matter. 44
Posted by Alex Zeka on June 15, 2007, 03:13 PM | # Do threads like this serve any real purpose, beyond giving you the occasional laugh? JR? Anyone? What’s the point of comparing Indian and Euro beauty for a political-scientific blog? 45
Posted by Peter on June 16, 2007, 08:46 PM | # Guessed Worker sure i agree in the preservation of diversity but trying to prove that Indian girls are “ugly” is not going to accomplish that! “Let us be clear, the preservation of our people is uppermost, and that preservation is genetic before it is cultural or even political. The odd personal preference for this or that coloured girl is of no matter.” GW I must admit that sounds a little scary… 46
Posted by Peter on June 17, 2007, 04:06 PM | # Yes Fred Scrooby i understand your point but what i don’t understand is the “hate” towards Indians by some members here. I don’t know if you people are aware but Indians are probably the “strictest” culture when it comes to marriage outside their own culture. They may date and be friends with others but when it comes to marriage they stick to their own kind for the most part. Now if you look at Black people Especially here in Toronto where i live its a totally different story. You won’t believe how many “white” girls are with black guys and not just the fat, ugly ones. Similarly there seems to be an “epidemic” of “white” guys with Asian girls. It is so common! On the other hand as i mentioned earlier the Majority of Anglo Indians Always look more European (southern at least) than “Indian” because simply they would be over 75% European genetically. Here are a few examples Katrina Kaif - half British Diya Mirza - Half German Ok thats enough ...notice these women look more European than “average Indian” and how different they look different from biracial African Americans 47
Posted by Leo on September 23, 2007, 04:46 PM | # This is bullshit blog. Posting pictures of Indian women and debating whether they look more, or less, “European”. What the heck? They are all INDIAN! They are not supposed to look EUROPEAN! There is even a guy who thinks he can see some East-Asain admixture in an Indian woman?!!! Dude, if you look hard, you can see every feature of every ethinic group in almost everyone. You guys are all RETARDS or just jobless loosers! 48
Posted by bloggersunitas on October 02, 2007, 12:13 AM | # well said conclusion to this ridiculous blog! 49
Posted by koshur on November 21, 2007, 03:27 AM | # It is true that you can find similarities in facial features among people of different ethnicities almost like they are distant cousins. I don’t think anyone has actually studied humans that way because of their existing classification of races based on anthropomorphic studies and general skin tone. People of a similar race may be genetically more distant from one another than they are from people of other races which proves that people who seem to belong to a single race so do not neccesarily share the same genetic ancestor. This fits with the idea of modern humans having started out as a small group of people in Africa (or any other part of the world where maybe fossils of significant numbers and antiquity are yet to be found) spread across the world in several waves of migration. Hence one Norwegian guy may have an ancestor who came to Norway several millenia before his Norwegian wife etc. We are ignoring the fact that as a species we all intermarry to continue our gene pool and the fact many of the seemingly homogenous races are quite genetically heterogenous, the product of intermarriage, migration and all kind of factors that influence the genes and biology. If global warming triggers a new ice age as predicted by some climatologists happens, then a large proportion of Europe and North America and North Asia will become uninhabitable and force the bulk of the Russian, American, Canadian & European populations to resettle in the Meditarranean, Carribean, Africa, Asia, South America and with intermarriage and acculturation the blonde and paler skinned humans may well become extinct. We might see the average human skin tone becoming browner. Maybe race would become less important by then not to mention religious differences and we all interact without having all that cultural baggage. 50
Posted by Love Beowulf (sunshine) on November 21, 2007, 05:04 AM | # Just put the blond wig on those Indian actress head. just put the blue lens on their eyes. just remove out their black eyeliner and traditional Hindi makeup. NOTHING look different from Nordic woman. I apprecious blond. it’s the color I like but I don’t think it’s look nice on woman head. it make more paler face, fatter, no attraction on the face because it goes to the hair. but for on the masculine male I find it looks nice, to counteract burly features. I got picture of Arab with blond hair and blue eyes. here it is [IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/arab2-1.jpg[/IMG] here moroccan girl here Arab girl [IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/307574246_b548f9bda4_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/fairy.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/still28.jpg[/img] 51
Posted by Love Beowulf (sunshine) on November 21, 2007, 08:02 AM | # Afghan girl Iranian boy Arab woman Indian actress without any Hindu makeup, after she has a labour. Indian actress
Indian actress Arab girl Arab boy Arab boy
chinese actress Pamir girl Indian actress 52
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 21, 2007, 11:26 AM | # Koshur: where opposition to race-replacement is concerned it makes no difference “where” these-or-those specific genes which can be found in today’s Norwegians “originated,” or “where else” they can be found in or outside of Europe, or “when” they originated, or “how they spread,” genes which if grouped together in certain ways can, it is proposed, make a Norwegian look like an Armenian or an Iranian or a Tajik or an Uzbek or whatever. It makes no difference where else in the world than Norway, on what continent, among what other people who may or may not still exist, these genes or closely-related ones can be found or how it is that you can wind up having a certain look about you, a certain phenotype, if these particular genes cluster in certain ways. All of that has paramount importance in studying various aspects of the genealogies of races but zero importance — ZERO importance — in opposing race-replacement, which is the subject many at this site are talking about. Citing that sort of observation, that sort of subject matter, as taking precedence over the considerations undergirding opposition to race-replacement is one sophistry goy-hating/Euro-hating Jews use to trick dull-witted Euro assholes like C. Loring Brace into displaying Jewish-approved behavior such as “embracing diversity.” There’s nothing important about Brace: it’s not as if he was important, then the Jews came along and recognized his importance, so gave him publicity. No. The Jews found, elevated, hyped, and installed him because he was an asshole, the way they found, elevated, hyped, and installed President Bush because he was an asshole. Both were assholes. Precisely because they were assholes the Jews made them into “important people” by hyping them. Why do Jews hype Euro-unfriendly assholes in general, such as Martin Luther King? Because they’re fighting a war against Euros, a war of extermination, of annihilation, a war the Euros don’t even know is being waged against them, they’re so stupid. It’s not really that Jews are so smart, by the way, so much as that Euros are so stupid. Jews are about average. But set some Euros next to them and they come across looking like fricking geniuses. It’s not their fault. The Jews probably had other plans originally, maybe to go try their luck in China or India or something, till they found out Euro nitwits were dumb as posts. Then they figured it would be insanity not to stick around Europe and see what they could extract. The Euros are a cut above Negroes, it’s true, but my GOD ARE THEY STUPID. So much for why Jews hype assholes in general. Why do the Jews hype Euro assholes in particular? The same reason duck hunters set duck decoys out on the water: to fool all the other ducks into coming in for a landing, thinking it’s safe and the right thing for them as ducks to do. If the hunters set out, let’s say, alligator decoys the ducks wouldn’t be fooled and wouldn’t come in for a landing. No, to catch ducks you have to set out duck decoys. The duck hunters want to shoot ducks. Do the Jews want to shoot Euros? No, they want to get them to marry Negroes. So they find Euro nitwits to play the role that duck decoys play, telling other Euros it’s true they should marry Negroes, it’s OK, everything is OK, it’s safe, go ahead and do it, and so the Euros like Heidi Klum start “coming in for a landing,” figuring it’s OK — start marrying Negroes. That’s why the Jews hype Euro assholes like C. Loring Brace. (How did they hype him? By getting him his gig on the Science Channel special, by getting his book published, by making sure he’s always the one interviewed or quoted on TV or in newspapers and magazines as “an authority” on race — they hyped him in a zillion ways, just open your eyes to see it.) Where opposition to race-replacement is concerned, Koshur, gene combinations that could hypothetically make us look and act like Uzbeks are no more important than ones that could make us look and act like yeasts. The point is we’re us, and no matter how we got this way we like the way we are and want to stay this way, not be changed by the Jews into half-Uzbeks or half-yeasts because the Jews are jealous. If it turned out my parents were both chimpanzees I’d want to stay human, not revert to chimpdom, and I’d have that right according to the U.N. All races have genealogies and racial relatives. That doesn’t mean they should change into those relatives any more than it means you or I should change into our relatives. Finally, Koshur (I can’t tell if that’s a typical Subcon name or a pen-name aptly-chosen just for this discussion ...), how about doing all these race-mixing experiments on Third-World soil? (Or in a pinch, Israeli soil’ll do ...) We don’t want them conducted on Eurosphere soil. I’m sure all Euro women desiring Zulu, pygmy, or Bushman husbands would be more than happy to line up for their one-way tickets to dream destinations like Port Moresby where their betrotheds would lovingly await them complete with grass skirts, spears, shields, chicken bones through the nose, and those long pointy horn things or whatever they are covering the dick, making it stand up. Oh yes, and did I say that ticket would be ... one way? Yes I think I did ... 53
Posted by Tommy G on November 21, 2007, 02:45 PM | # “The Euros are a cut above Negroes, it’s true, but my GOD ARE THEY STUPID.”—Fred Scrooby That’s especially true within the college educated professionals. Proof of that can be viewed on the following newscast. The two whites talking are clueless about why inner-city (read black) Cleveland real estate values are declining. They’re trying their hardest not to confront the real reason why the neighborhoods have become untenable—that reason being TNB (Typical negro behavior). Btw—notice how they try and deceive the viewership by naming the neighborhood of topic: “Slavic Village.” Yeah, as if it’s a white neighborhood. At one time it must have been inhabited by Slavs, but now it’s your typical black ghetto going through a normal stage of destruction. Just look at these two repulsive liberal dorks at work: http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/news/2007/11/20/christie.foreclosure.newsroom.cnnmoney 54
Posted by sunshine on November 21, 2007, 06:22 PM | # The native Negroes in jungle of africa are nicer than negros in usa much. in africa, they have natural wild behavier like a kid and look funny. but how the white people treated them in usa made them fierce. It’d be nice if in Asia we had holocost for breed blond hair and blue eyes of ourselves….. Yemen girl Arab model This Arab girl is Heterocromia. Pakistan actress [IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/318722544_9e7acecd78_o.jpg[/IMG] Indian actress with blue eyes candan Ercetin Turk actress Indian 55
Posted by Tommy G on November 21, 2007, 07:29 PM | # “The native Negroes in jungle of africa are nicer than negros in usa much.” How the f**k would you know? Did you ever live with them? “in africa, they have natural wild behavier like a kid and look funny.” Oh, so your a racist that thinks of them as inferior, are you? “but how the white people treated them in usa made them fierce.” White people brought them from a stone-age existence into a modern society. Any sane black living today in America, thanks God that their ancestors were brought here as slaves. If they hadn’t been, they’d still be back in Africa practising Voodoo and cannibalizing each other…or whatever the hell they still do there. “It’d be nice if in Asia we had holocost for breed blond hair and blue eyes of ourselves…..” You’re insane! 56
Posted by indigo on November 22, 2007, 09:32 PM | # So…..as long as Indian women possess pale skin and ‘thin’ noses and lips they are considered beautiful? Everyone else who doesn’t fit this mold falls on the way side? 57
Posted by Lurker on November 22, 2007, 10:05 PM | # Indigo - who are you addressing? Given that many of these photos of Indian women seem to imply they are models it would seem that your statement could be descriptive of Indian attitudes. How is that out of the millions & millions of Indian women those who seem to exhibit the most European looks are being used as models? They are certainly very atypical of Indian women. (We cant ignore the possiblity that some of these women are descended from British colonials - so-called Eurasians) 58
Posted by indigo on November 22, 2007, 11:15 PM | # Lurker - I wasn’t addressing anyone in particular. Actually, it’s an attitude that is not isolated in India. I don’t know the answer to your question, you may want to ask the user who posted those pictures. 59
Posted by sunshine on November 23, 2007, 08:12 AM | # I’m posted those pictures. I live in asia but I’m not Indian. I have many races in me and those pictures are real Arab and Iranian childrens, Pakistan, Indian and Arab actresses. Indian actress Muslim pakistani actress 60
Posted by sunshine on November 23, 2007, 02:08 PM | # These are picture of Afghan girl who born in kabul, afghanistan. but her family moved to India and now she is actress for India television.
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Posted by sunshine on November 23, 2007, 03:36 PM | # Pakistan actress [IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/taj-mahal-an-eternal-love-story—1.jpg[/IMG]
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Posted by sunshine on November 25, 2007, 12:34 PM | # Pakistani models, spirit of oriental.
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Posted by Svanhvit on March 10, 2008, 03:30 AM | # When I look at these pictures I see nothing but makeup…save for the pictures of the children and young girls. It would be more impressive if there was a woman -without- cosmetics on her face. Beauty is something that should be natural and cosmetics more so than often ruin the effect of the woman’s beauty. It either transforms her into something that she is not or enhances her beauty. Real beauty is natural and comes from within. 64
Posted by lauren on June 06, 2008, 07:02 AM | # oh god help these people to stop jugding n critising people beauty is also inwardly who r u to say wats beautiful im a white woman but i get jealous of everyday looking indian black chinese japanese people of all races and casts all the time u no why because i believe everybody got something beautiful about them it might be there eyes eyelashes nose chin cheeks eyebrows smile teeth hair body but at the end of the day the most beautiful people are the ones with good charater in my opinion which yous are clearly lacking in stop being racist n open your eyes up an realise beauty is everywhere in everyone sincere beauty is non judgemental not media provoked,or racial! 65
Posted by JAMES on July 02, 2008, 11:20 AM | # pointless JUST PROOVES HOW BADLY INDIANS WANT TO BE WHITE ! WHITE PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU GUYS GET OVER IT IVE BEEN TO INDIA MYSELF AND BESIDES THE NICE LOOKING ONES ON THE BOLLYWOOD FILMS MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE POOR PEOPLE LIVING IN FILTH YOUR COUNTRY’S GROSS YOUR IN THE SAME CLASS AS THE LOWLIFES YOU TALK ABOUT IN OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE AFRICA LMFAO 66
Posted by Caillean on July 08, 2008, 01:39 AM | # I stumbled over this site by accident and I have to say that I am amazed at the sheer ignorance and bigotry of the people posting here. Humans are humans. You think you’re something special because of your nationality? Give us all a f*cking break and get over yourself. There are enough real problems in the world already without you gathering your own little clubs of Nazi wannabes and justifying your paranoia and insecurity with pseudo-scientific crap. If you were really mentally, morally, or culturally superior to the people you’re abusing on here, you would be somewhere else, doing something worthwhile with your time. 67
Posted by Lurker on July 08, 2008, 05:02 AM | # Caillean said “You think you’re something special because of your nationality?” Nationality should mean something but it doesnt because our governments will give ‘nationality’ to anyone. I think it works like this, nationality is a bureaucratic construct, it wont tell you much about the person imbued with it. Nice liberals like you can then say that divisions based on nationality are meaningless and of course you would be right. So we have to first reject your notion of nationality then we can see what we are actually talking about. In this case its race or at least ethnicity. Trouble is you dont really want to reject the modern debased notion of nationality do you, you need these false distinctions so that that you can infer that race and nationality are the same thing and then with a flourish point out that differences in nationality are meaningless. You and I both know you really meant ‘race’ when you typed ‘nationality’ but if you go down that road you may be forced to notice real group differences and we cant have that can we. 69
Posted by EC on July 08, 2008, 08:16 AM | # “...the most beautiful people are the ones with good charater in my opinion which yous are clearly lacking” lauren, you are missing the point. No one is saying that these are not beautiful women (at least most of them). The issue is more about what the Indians themselves consider beautiful within their own race. It’s curious that they favor Causcasian looking Indians, don’t you agree? Why get upset for this group for bringing it up. Take it up with the Indians for non-validation of their own… 70
Posted by EC on July 08, 2008, 08:31 AM | # [IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f157/livnletlv/Misc%20Odds%20and%20Ends/Indian.jpg[/IMG] That’s more like it! 71
Posted by Janedoe on July 16, 2008, 01:40 PM | # okay there is a picture of yana gupta, she is not of indian descent but she works as an indian actress. she is czech in origin and the reason her last name is gupta is because she married an indian painter named Satyakam Gupta but they have since divorced. funny that she’s the most european looking of them all and it turns out she’s not even Indian lol. Nice try at trying to prove to the world that indians are european looking. Most of these women do not represent average pakistani or indian women plus most of like a pound of make-up on and are under a lot of professional lighting. oh and aishwarya rai does not have blue eyes, they are actually green but she wears enhances to make them look blue. Some even speculate her green eyes are actually fake and that she wears contacts. Who knows, but they’re definately not blue. 72
Posted by Mubashir on September 20, 2008, 03:52 AM | # i am big fine of saba, pakistani tv actress, plz if possible send some collection of saba photo. thanks 73
Posted by M on November 22, 2008, 11:47 PM | # I just wanna say that ur one ediat i dunno y u would go compare arabs and indians,pakistanis together it is absolutley normal to have green eyes blue eyes blonde hair if u was a arab but to think that indians r like that its veryy veryy rare and its usually that people that do r mixed with another race apart from indian or whatever u call ur selfs and for ur comments about negreous ur one sadd lonely person i think ur obssesd with something ur not or not gonna ever be and negroes r more attractive than indians white people would tell u that them self y u think they are interbreeding. 74
Posted by Blue eyed girl on November 26, 2008, 03:07 AM | # Wow..if I didn’t know any better I would think this is some kind of neonazi site. Actually, I don’t know any better…so I am assuming this is one? By the way, I think the selectivity of the original poster is amazing. Yes, the runner up girl is not too attractive by most standards. But how convenient of you to put up pictures of exactly that girl as a ‘typical Indian beauty’. I suggest you take your sorry (and jealous??) ass on to Google images and search Aishwarya Rai, Gayatri Joshi, Sonali Bendre, Deepika Padukone…hell, take a trip to India and go to the hills of Punjab or the deserts of Rajasthan and walk the streets…you will see ordinary women, even sweepers pressed under hard years of labor, that would put any of your Jolie’s or Cindy’s to shame. Yes, they are all light-skinned, and this attitude is sadly prevalent in India. But dark-skinned beauties are abundant (though sadly not recognized by Indians themselves). Go search for Nandita Das, Bipasha Basu, Shilpa Shetty, Rekha or the inimitible Maharani Gayatri Devi. My point is that these girls do not look European either by skin color, or facial structure as their features are sharper, curvier, longer and more sculpted than your typical Euro girl. 75
Posted by Tony on December 06, 2008, 05:17 AM | # There are some right dickheads on this page, dismissing some beautiful women as ugly because of their own stupidity and bigotry, though I feel most would be unable to pull anyone of their calibre. Nationality, is nothing to do with race or colour, it’s how you feel inside. For example, many blacks came over in the 50’s and 60’s to Britain from the West Indies. These people educated in West Indian schools, had been taught to think about Britain as the mother country and felt as though they were going home when they came here. In world war 2, men came from every corner of our empire, all different colours and creeds to defend Britain and fight her enemies, all for King and Country. Whites in Britain who think they are not getting a fair shake, are probably those not trying hard enough. It is the same mentality as the white southern trash who started the Ku Klux Klan after the American civil war. They were afraid because, whilst blacks were slaves, there was a group who were inferior to them, and it didn’t matter if they had been educated, or reached a cultural standard that could not aspire to, (as some slaves, especially house slaves as opposed to field slaves were educated by their masters) were still beneath them in the order of things, because they were merely someone’s property. As soon as the blacks were given their freedom, they were now equals and had the opportunity to rise above them, they became malcotents, rather th\n trying to improve themselves, they became angry at those who would then endeavour to surpass them, through hard work, study etc. 76
Posted by Darren on December 06, 2008, 09:19 AM | # “Nationality, is nothing to do with race or colour” (Tony) Wrong. You may view nationality as just geographical, whereas we view the nation as the cultural manifestation of the people, from past to present, in a timeless chain. The British, for example, are a distinct ethnic group. Calling a Negro British is factually incorrect. A Salterian approach would also be useful here - distinct groups of people (such as the British) have different ethnic interests than the non-British who are residing in British lands. The Britain (or any other western country) of today may bill itself as raceless and egalitarian, but it is not a nation - it is a political and economic entity defined by geographic borders. Nothing more. It is not a nation. 77
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 06, 2008, 10:19 AM | # Darren’s comment and Lurker’s several above (July 8, 2008, 9:02 AM) are excellent. 78
Posted by Lurker on December 06, 2008, 10:48 AM | # Thanks Fred! I’d forgotten that July comment. 79
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 06, 2008, 12:19 PM | #
That may be, but a shag while touring Asia is different from marriage and founding a family, and those back home concerned with the biological continuity of the traditional community and nation have a right to expect most members to procreate within the group, and to set immigration policy so as not to invite the large-scale undermining of this legitimate and unselfish consideration which most community members essentially sympathize with.
Neither does anyone here. We don’t deny the beauty of certain women of certain other races. Our position is: 1) we’re against government-enforced race-replacement of our own race, Euros; 2) we find Euro women Earth’s most beautiful.
Not undoable: every one of those has her pick of Jamaican Negro boyfriends.
Negroes, whites, and yellows can’t produce or sustain each other’s society/culture, only their own. A chicken may feel inside it has waterproof feathers and webbed feet but if it follows the duck into the pond it will learn what a stone feels like inside when the stone sinks. A cat may feel inside it has wings but if it tries to take off from the garage roof like the pigeon it will learn what a badly injured cat feels like inside to be inside the vet’s surgery. The Chimpbabweans felt inside they could farm but when they and the Jews genocided the white farmers they felt inside that a loaf of bread cost four hundred billion Chimpbabwean dollars, then they felt inside that they were starving to death. Now they feel inside that they’d rather have the white farmers back.
Cruel deception perpetrated on them by Britain’s usual suspects, and their ultimate bitter disappointment is inevitable no matter how you slice it. Their home and their mother country is the Sub-Sahara, not Britain, not anywhere in whitedom.
1) That war shouldn’t have been fought; 2) The Brits fighting WW II were never told their racial survival would be considered forfeit as a result of a debt owed other races in return for the participation of men of those races. End the war, then, if that’s the cost: declare a truce with the Germans and go home. Where’s the contract signed by those British fighting men? Where’s the record of their informed consent? No informed consent? No signature of theirs on any contract? No contract, then, and nothing’s forfeit. Anyone who holds that the existence of any white race is today held hostage to Negroes having been brought in to fight that war can drop dead. No one told anyone back then that that was to be the condition of men of other races being brought in. Had anyone been told such a thing in plain language, the war would have ended immediately, too bad for Danzig and the Polish corridor, too bad for France and Alsace-Lorraine, too bad for Stalin and his U.S.S.R., too bad for the Jews, too bad for British crown colonies in China.
There’s a kernel of truth in that, in the sense that white labor union members made it their practice for decades to do as little work as possible while demanding the highest wages they could extract. That sort of thing won’t last forever, clearly. They shouldn’t have listened to the communists who were egging them on in that behavior, but they did, with the result that ownership pushed government to bring in non-whites who’d work harder (it was hoped) and not make such wage demands for so little work. That’s certainly a huge part of what happened in the U.S.
They weren’t “white trash.” Bill Clinton is white trash. The men who started the KKK in the occupied South after Lincoln’s War of Northern Aggression were gentlemen.
No, they were defending their race and civilization. So would you be, if you had half a brain, half a heart, and half a testicle. Know that your trysts with Asian women on your travels have strictly naught to do with nation-preserving back home. Oh, and please use condoms: some of those Asian strains of venereal disease are highly antibiotic-resistant: DON’T bring them back to the West please. 80
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 06, 2008, 05:41 PM | # I neglected to say whom I was replying to just above: Tony. 81
Posted by GoyAmongYou on December 07, 2008, 07:38 AM | #
Ah, the joys of multianimal-ism. 82
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 07, 2008, 12:18 PM | # From the What Always Happens When Negroes Run the Place department: Speaking of Chimpbabwe Zimbabwe the new and much improved Rhodesia, yes the Jews’ and communists’ pride and joy, the Jewish and communist showcase of Negro competence: Cholera’s now running rampant there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Zimbabwean_cholera_outbreak What did the men who stabbed Ian Smith in the back in order to install Mugabe expect? Now, bear something in mind: it’s the same men and the same sort of men who are running race-replacement immigration, and just as cocksure of themselves. Draw your own conclusions. Except it’ll be easier to clean up this lot’s mistakes in regard to their installation of Mugabe than it will be to get our original race back once they’re through. They have to be stopped. Before they do any more damage. They’ve done enough already, wouldn’t you say? They’ve had their chance. Now show them the door. 83
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 07, 2008, 02:29 PM | # Three weeks ago inflation in Chimpbabwe was running at a figure so high you have to use scientific notation to write it: 89.7 x 10^21 percent (89.7 times ten to the 21st power percent). That was three weeks ago. The rate is much higher now, of course. 84
Posted by Lurker on December 07, 2008, 09:21 PM | # GoyAmongYou - thats interesting. What could a store opening in London in March 2008 have in common with one in NY in November? Try keywords: Primark, Oxford Street, 2008. In fact what could those events have in common with an IKEA opening in London in February 2005? Try keywords: IKEA, Edmonton, 2005.
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Posted by Eye of the Beholder on December 08, 2008, 03:43 AM | # As far as the no makeup look, TMBWITW - (the most beautiful woman in the world, officially) - Ms. Aiswarya Rai, and America’s Beyonce, are two of the few celebrities who look “beautiful” without it. But I think most women looker better with minimal makeup rather than alot of it. Makeup should be used to enhance, not to coverup or create something that is not there. Indian women are amongst the most naturally beautiful in the world but the photos above are too fake for my taste. I mean, colored contacts? How tacky. And the photography lighting makes them look like pale ice queens when you know in real life all of them have gorgeous golden, copper, bronze or brown colored skin. Meditterenean are also a good looking stock. Dark hair, dark eyes and olive colored skin. Lebanese women are gorgeous. Morrocan and Egyptian men - drool, drool, drool, but they are North African, not Meditterenean. I guess hot looks begin in the Greek Isles and then spread eastward from there. The good thing about USA is we got a bit of the whole world here so if we are amongst the lucky ones, we can have our pick! Not that I am, but even with my ordinary plain jane cracker look I managed to nab a few TDHs in my day (tall, dark and handsomes). But of course they all graduated onto more beautiful, “exotic” looking women like the ones mentioned above. Who can blame them. But I was probably the smartest at least. 86
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 08, 2008, 10:17 AM | # Take Alon Ziv and Robert Lindsay, roll them into one, and take a female version of the hideous result — that monstrosity is the supremely pathetic female signing as “Eye of the Beholder.” 87
Posted by Fred Scrooby on December 08, 2008, 10:18 AM | # What a piece of pathetic loser female trash. 88
Posted by Lurker on December 08, 2008, 11:59 AM | #
Yet where are all those real Indian looking women? Why do the prettiest also look the whitest? Good tactical use of the word ‘amongst’ there btw. Amongst European women presumably! 89
Posted by Eye of the Beholder on December 08, 2008, 07:40 PM | # Lurker, I don’t think any of the above pictured Indian women to be amongst the “prettiest”. Aiswarya Rai, yes. However, I have seen the movies from the still pics above and they have been photoshopped; her eyes made blue and her skin made sickly pale. In the movies her eyes are their natural beautiful green and her skin is it’s tawny brown. She also looks naturally good without any makeup. I have seen photos of her where she is either wearing dark brown contacts or they photoshopped her eyes and she looks fabulous with traditional Indian brown eyes as well. All the other ladies pictured above do not look very attractive to me. Too fake. I do like the picture of the last Indian women, posted by EC, who is naturally brown skinned and wearing minimal makeup. She doesn’t look like a modern day made up or photo shopped model, but rather a typical Indian woman with natural beauty enhanced by local makeup styles. Like someone else said above, walk down any street in India and you will find striking natural beauty amongst many of the humble locals. In fact, the more western, modern or white they try to look, the uglier they get. In general Indian women are good looking. I wish the same cold be said for the men. Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of really cute and handsome guys in India, but compared with the women the numbers are not as strong. 90
Posted by GoyAmongYou on December 10, 2008, 05:10 PM | #
Here you have them: [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2704/indianwomenqi4.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Several hundred for the price of one. 91
Posted by Guessedworker on December 10, 2008, 07:03 PM | # I think that’s what’s called winning the thread. 92
Posted by Eyebrow of the Beholder on December 10, 2008, 07:34 PM | # Not unless you’ve got threaded eyebrows;) Google it. Not painless. 93
Posted by Eyebrown of the Beholder, Bay-bee on December 10, 2008, 07:40 PM | #
Not unless he or she has threaded eyebrows. Google it. Painless, not. 94
Posted by the unknown on January 16, 2009, 12:53 AM | # What the fuck is wrong with everybody here?? why are u guys judging how people look from different races??? there are soo many haters here….who says western europeans are better looking than asians? and vice versa!!! attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder…u stupid fools…god made everybody..and we shouldnt judge Gods creation! 95
Posted by Why must people discuss other normal people on January 17, 2009, 03:10 AM | # Fail- All humans have merit and I have date any woman who captured my heart. 96
Posted by Nabil Rahman on January 24, 2009, 02:16 PM | # Here are some Bangladeshi girls: some credit to the Persians? 97
Posted by Whitey from Texas on January 24, 2009, 08:19 PM | # Thread Winner is going to have to go to Goy among you. Those are real Indian women. Beautiful and not beautiful. Just like every other race. Though many whiteys don’t like how black women look, they’re wrong in their own opinions….hehe (Yes opinions can be wrong; I decide! Me, me!). Every race has the good, the bad, and the ugly. That’s my opinion. 98
Posted by Nabil Rahman on January 24, 2009, 10:28 PM | # lol I am like few years late on this thread, but anyways here it goes. I found the following quote in another thread http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_evolution_of_blond_hair_and_blue_eyes_among_nordics/ :
I don’t know who Razib Khan is but this is not necessarily true. Although, I myself used to hold similar beliefs before. I can show you where quite a few Bangladeshi women can hold their own. The blonds presented in that link will be just ridiculously beaten. So, I will select one myself and compare them. This is Jen Hawkins former Miss Universe compared with two Bangladeshi girls. [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/209hvd0.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2hi4jz9.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/209hvd0.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/oadnax.jpg[/IMG] Brief Analysis First Case: The nose and some features looks similar. But overall Jen will edge out here. Brief Analysis Second Case: The dark-haired- brown-eyed achingly attractive Bangladeshi lady will pawn Jen here. Still close call, but the Bangladeshi lady edges out here. Jennifer is a Miss Universe while the girl just models for the clothes she is wearing. It’s like her eyes speaks! 99
Posted by sajjad on January 30, 2009, 03:47 PM | # ilike these model MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE POOR PEOPLE LIVING IN FILTH 100
Posted by YOUREALLPATHETIC on February 07, 2009, 05:20 AM | # HAHAHAHA oh my god http://www.fotokunst.as/Somalia/Somalian_woman.jpg
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Posted by SM on February 07, 2009, 02:59 PM | # Thank you Mr. Moderator for deleting my contribution to the world of fags, I stand more corrected now! Its better for the health of the thread and your walnut sized cerebrum to do away with strong feelings on the subject other than your own or other than those your malnourished brain understands. But do me a favor by deleting this too otherwise I may have to rethink about my opinion of you in concern with free expression. You already have my gold star in the ‘race’ department. Thank you again. 102
Posted by rachel on March 07, 2009, 01:27 PM | # Every race has its beauties and fuglies.. Not all white people are pretty..every other person i bump into is obese or fugly..so take your goddamn opinions and shove it up your ass. im half indian and half white..fyi if i had the option i would want a medium skin tone..def. not pale that is soo not attractive.. and not like blackk skin.. but yes blacks are black…whites are white..indians are brown..open your eyes you retards… and go look in the mirror.. 103
Posted by SM on March 07, 2009, 03:56 PM | # That ‘SM’ is not me. I’m the “christianity is liberalism”, darwinist one from the Chris Langan thread. ...This is the nature of forums without membership prerequisites. 104
Posted by Rajaputharahi on March 08, 2009, 05:18 AM | # Interesting that the Pakis and other untouchables posting on this thread use European looks as their standard by which to judge their women. Clearly, these Indian “beauties’ do not in any way look like the average Indian. Truth be told, they are all, and I mean all, of racial admixture. I’ve thought about this and and have come to the conclusion that this is why Blacks, Indians and other Turd worlders have no issue with mixing with the higher races, because they are in effect upgrading in all biological aspects, physical and IQ. 105
Posted by caligari on August 15, 2009, 08:13 AM | # This is all a complete WASTE of TIME. You can OBVIOUSLY find aesthetically beautiful women from almost any ethnicity and any race and subrace and mixed race from anywhere in the globe. SO Pictures are Useless here. There is 1 point. The point is this : If let’s say you Go to Sweden, the percentage of beautiful women is SO HIGH that you will see most of the girls you meet look like DOLLS. If you go to India, it is the Other way round, the majority have unattractive aesthetic features, only the minority have the attractive aesthetic features. (which are attractive because they have a similarity to the european features). If you go to let’s say, Congo, then the percentage is so low that finding an aesthetically proportional beatiful girl would be rarity. I hope people got the point. 106
Posted by buti on August 28, 2009, 08:46 PM | # None can parallell the strikingly heavenly enchanting haunting beauty of the kashmiri women not even the plain bland nordic/european women 107
Posted by me1 on August 31, 2009, 11:24 PM | # this is completely ludacris. beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. i personally think that dark-haired exotic women are a billion times more beautiful that the type-A all-american blonde hair blue eyed woman. “we should have a holocasut in asia”... what?? why is all of this work being done to make everyone look the same? we should celebrate diversity, celebrate how we all look different. 108
Posted by buti on September 02, 2009, 07:08 PM | # ‘‘Posted by the unknown on January 16, 2009, 04:53 AM | # What the fuck is wrong with everybody here?? why are u guys judging how people look from different races??? there are soo many haters here….who says western europeans are better looking than asians? and vice versa!!! attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder…u stupid fools…god made everybody..and we shouldnt judge Gods creation!’‘ No one is saying western europeans are better looking than asians apart from white western europeans but then europeans have a higher opinion of the looks of there ethnic group as a whole than they do of there own individual looks on average so there thinking is no surprise. It is basic human observation there exist attractive women in all category of races and yes an Individual can certainly be more beautifull than another based on the judgement of a majority 109
Posted by Fred on December 13, 2009, 10:16 PM | # YOU ARE ALL FUCKING LOSERS. WHAT A PILE OF ASSHATS. GETAFUCKINGLIFE 111
Posted by Miss on March 04, 2010, 05:32 PM | # you are mistaken about some of the pictures of north african. alot of them are berbers, not arabs. 112
Posted by Prakrit on March 20, 2010, 07:20 AM | # shut up all you white nuts!!! next you’ll be deciding to compare female models of african descent to your skanky white american pageant winners!! get a life, women of all races come in beautiful and not so beautiful packages. besides money speaks, an average paegent contestant in the US (a WHITE ONE!!) EARNS AND SPENDS MORE on her grooming than paegent contenders in any other country, indian families dont encourage boob and nose jobs, and and ear tucks, or a whole set of pearly new teeth!! most of our models strut what their born with….!! posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 20, 2006, 12:54 PM | # “Miss Photogenic” looks like a camera breaker to me. No accounting for taste, I guess, but she really is not supporting your contention, John. I see someone broad-nosed and thick-lipped, who differs from the other contestants chiefly by having a lighter complexion. And, she certainly cannot compare to the “runner-ups” among western beauty contestants. to the one who wrote the above….NAomi Campbell is broad nosed and thick-lipped, you racist pig!! 113
Posted by dusk on March 20, 2010, 07:28 AM | # Posted by JAMES on July 02, 2008, 03:20 PM | # pointless JUST PROOVES HOW BADLY INDIANS WANT TO BE WHITE ! WHITE PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU GUYS GET OVER IT IVE BEEN TO INDIA MYSELF AND BESIDES THE NICE LOOKING ONES ON THE BOLLYWOOD FILMS MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE POOR PEOPLE LIVING IN FILTH YOUR COUNTRY’S GROSS YOUR IN THE SAME CLASS AS THE LOWLIFES YOU TALK ABOUT IN OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE AFRICA LMFAO I just wanted to note James, that no one who ever came to india could go back with an opinion like yours, stop kidding us, and yourself, come here for real, and you will be forced to look beyond the filth, which by the way was actually left behind by…oh let me see now…ahhhh the WHITES??!! 115
Posted by IR on April 15, 2010, 10:18 AM | # why is everyone obsessed with blonde hair and blue eyes
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Posted by JC on July 16, 2010, 06:38 AM | # I was wondering what everyone’s take is on the crowning of Rima Fakih, an Arab American, for miss U.S.A. 2010? I noticed as well in “The evolution of blond hair and blue eyes among Nordics” post, Jaclyn Smith was featured as one of the Nordic women. I’ve done a little research on her and found that her father is Jewish, does that still make her Nordic? 118
Posted by manoola on September 05, 2010, 11:56 PM | # hey i’m north african aka tunisian and i’m blonde and i have bluegreen eyes so it’s kinda cool that u have this cuz everyone always mistakes me for a white person 119
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2010, 09:52 AM | # ”i’m north african aka tunisian and i’m blonde and i have bluegreen eyes […] everyone always mistakes me for a white person” (—Manoola) You’re descended from the Vandals, Manoola. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals#The_Vandal_Kingdom_in_North_Africa 120
Posted by Nirmal on September 20, 2010, 10:50 PM | # Western girls - white, latino, black are uglier because they are classless n try to be everyone else. go enjoy seeing REAL western people here - http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ arab n desi girls r much better not just because of physical appearance, but what’s inside. 121
Posted by Julius on July 20, 2011, 10:08 PM | # Wow. This thread is full of racists and anti-semites. First of all, it appears you need a history lessen. Blond hair and blue eyes are not Arab traits. Arabs by definition originated from the Arabian desert—and traits indicative of Arabs are traits that originate from “Arabia.” However, Iran is the only exception. There are a group of natives in Iran who naturally have blonde hair and blue eyes. They are known as the “Kalash” people (look them up). However, they too emigrated from Russia—but they have been there as long (if not longer) than the darker skinned peoples who moved to Mesopotamia. “Iran” originally meant “Aryan.” It is not a coincidence that there is a phonetic similarity between “Iranian” and “Aryan.” This is because a king came to power there and called himself “ruler of the Aryans.” The “Aryans/Iranians” being the blonde and blue-eyed people in northern Iran. They have lived there since Persian times. However, they are not under any circumstances “Arab” “Arabian” or descended from “Arabia.” The correct classification is indeed their tribal name: Kalash. The “Kalash” also live in Northern Pakistan. However, all these groups in their entirety originate from lower Russia. They are Europeans, not “Arabs.” All Arabs originate from Africa. They mixed with lighter skinned people who moved from Indo-Europe, and thus the Arabian complexion was born. The original inhabitants of Mesopotamia were, indeed, white. Sumerian artwork shows the Sumerians were Caucasoid. The Babylonians were as well. And this continued up until the Arab, Mongolian, and Turkish conquests in the Middle East. In addition to this, it was reported that the earliest inhabitants of Yemen were from Ethiopia. The demographics of Yemen did not change until the Arab-Islamic conquest.
So please try not to generalize too much. America is a country of countries. From French and Africans in Louisiana, to Scots and Latinos in Texas to Polish in Illinois and Germans in-between. And please don’t try and make wild claims about it until you’ve been here. You are substantially naive. And the general racism in this thread has to stop. Especially your misleading nationalism. You are trying to claim ownership of Nordic alleles by tacking on “Arab/North African/Pakistani” on it. But ancestral Pakistanis look nothing of the sort. It’s like saying the British can be/are genetically black just because there are blacks in the U.K. Also, the anti-Jewish conspiracy must stop. For your information, the “average” Jewish IQ is approximately 117. 17 points above what is considered the average IQ of a person (100). I don’t want to see you people wasting your time deriding other cultures. Either post facts, or keep your mouth closed concerning your racist opinions. 122
Posted by Mujra on September 08, 2011, 02:05 PM | # Indian and Pakistani girls are really very cute and and beautiful. I love to meet them. 123
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 05:21 AM | # QUOTE “I forget who put up the posts concerned but somebody here was saying that the best of Western women are much more attractive than the best of Indian women. The evidence used was of beauty contest winners. And if you look at the three Misses India below, I can see the point. “ I PITY YOU NORDIC OBSESSED FREAKS THAT YOU WILL NEVER GET TO SEE TRUE INDIAN BEAUTY AMONG YOUR MIDST. POSTED BELOW IS ACTRESS KAREENA KAPOOR AND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. NEXT TO HER ALL THE NORIDC BLONDES IN THE WORLD WILL LOOK LIKE YELLOW SCARECROWS. NO NORDIC WOMAN CAN EVER MEASURE UP TO HER BEAUTY.AND YES SHE IS FULLY INDIAN. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/kareena139.jpg/ COMPARE HER TO THE SO CALLED MOST BEAUTIFUL NORDIC WOMAN http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/dgg021404.jpg/ ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS MONSTROSITY IS ATTRACTIVE. SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE JUST GOT HER FACE STUNG BY BEES. LOOK AT THE UNSIGHTLY SWOLLEN UNEVEN LIPS, THE UGLY PROTRUDING TRIANGLE JAWLINE, THE ROUND PIG LIKE NOSE, THE UNEVEN SKIN, THE BROAD MANLY SHOULDERS, THE THIN LANK AND DULL HAIR, THE HUGE MASCULINE FOREHEAD, THE ARTICIAL SILICON BREASTS, THE FAKE EYEBROWS,THE TINY BEADY EYES ,THE WRINKLES ON HER NECK AND HER CHEEKS AND THE SHORT NECK. ONLY INSANE PEOPLE WILL FIND HER ATTRACTIVE . IF ANYBODY FINDS HER ATTRACTIVE THEY NEED TO GET BRAIN AND EYE SURGERY. 124
Posted by Lurker on October 05, 2011, 06:16 AM | # Im not saying Scarlett isnt attractive or that Indian bird for that matter but Scarlett is half-jewish and thus counted out of contention as Nordic. 125
Posted by Guessedworker on October 05, 2011, 07:17 AM | # The average intelligence of the MR readership is quite high. It helps to be heard, and certainly to be respected, if you do not write in moronic capitals. Also, insults and florid language generally are not acceptable. For your information, the original post is not so much about whose girls are the most beautiful as the questionable criteria for winning beauty contests. Further, the work of the author is centred on the relationship between beauty and the “fine-ness” (lightness, non-masculinity) of features. 126
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 08:36 AM | # I agree that race mixing does not increase physical attractiveness. Indian women on average are much more feminine than white women. They also have better bodies than white women and age better than white women. 127
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 09:57 AM | # PHOTOS OF SAIRA AND PREITY http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/7ef1e4417d8d9ee7sairamo.jpg/ PHOTOS OF KATRINA KAIF(HALF WHITE) AND NAUSHEED 128
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 11:28 AM | # India demands return of Koh i Noor diamond A picture taken in 1937 of the late Queen mother pictured with her eldest daughter, Queen Elizabeth. wearing the Koh I Noor diamond in her crown It was last worn in public by the late Queen Mother and last seen set inside the Maltese Cross on the crown placed on top of the coffin at her funeral. India claims the diamond, which was owned by several Mughal emperors and Maharajas before being seized by the British, was illegally acquired and wants it returned along with other treasures looted during colonial rule. After years of unsuccessful lobbying it has now joined an international campaign backed by the United Nations for the return of historic treasures to several countries, including Mexico, Greece, Turkey and Egypt. A spokesman for the British High Commission in New Delhi said the government rejects India’s claim and said the diamond had been “legitimately acquired.” Its ownership is “non-negotiable.” Dr Gautam Sengupta, head of the Architectural Survey of India, which protects the country’s antiquities, said there were so many looted Indian treasures in European museums that if it asked for all of them to be returned “many of the museums would have to pull down their shutters.” BEAUTY IS DETERMINED BY ACTIONS AND THE ACTIONS OF PRIMITIVE BARBARIC UNCULTURED AND UNCIVILISED WHITE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO STEAL AND THEN REFUSE TO RETURN ARE UGLIER THAN THE INDIAN BEAUTY PAGAENT WINNERS ABOVE.THEY MAYBE UNATTRACTIVE BUT THEY ARE NOT ROBBERS OR LOOTERS Next entry: Muslim convert to be executed in “liberated” Afghanistan Previous entry: Vatican stops apologizing for the Crusades |
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Posted by slinker, sailer, toldya, sly on March 20, 2006, 08:54 AM | #
“Miss Photogenic” looks like a camera breaker to me. No accounting for taste, I guess, but she really is not supporting your contention, John. I see someone broad-nosed and thick-lipped, who differs from the other contestants chiefly by having a lighter complexion.
And, she certainly cannot compare to the “runner-ups” among western beauty contestants.
But, if you like her, that is certainly your right. Me, I’d rather see her genetic analysis than this picture.