IMPERIUM

Posted by cladrastis on July 19, 2008, 04:57 PM | #

Every speech at the London New Right Conference was excellent…with the exception of this one.  I can respect some of Lowell’s ideas, his active imagination, and his willingness to expose himself to political/economic damage and public scrutiny, but seriously, this speech weakened the entire conference.  All the talk about root races, Hyperboreans, mystical books, caucasoid Tibetans and Mongolians(?!), poisoning the Chinese water supply, allowing twelve men to appoint themselves as rulers over the Imperium based on astrological signs, emphasis on everything coming together by 2012, etc. is absurd and antithetical to Western intellectualism.  Obviously, a strong militarily and economically unified state ruled by benevolent aristocrats is desirable, but we need to move beyond all the mythological baggage that encumbered the National Socialists and pre-modern kingdoms and empires. 

If expansion is truly necessary for a techno-industrial empire, we should expand to the seas and the stars, not onto the lands of other equally sophisticated (or slightly sub-par) peoples.  To do as Lowell suggests will only invoke the wrath of those people, and frankly, I would prefer to remain in peaceful competition with the Chinese and Indians rather than be in direct conflict with them for decades, millennia, etc.  They have memories and histories that go back as far as those of the Jews (and further than many of the cultures of North-Western Europe), and can be every bit as vindictive - not to mention the fact that any form of overt, rather than psychological, warfare is suicidal.  We are currently losing the war on the Jewish front, but we will certainly lose a war on Jewish, Chinese, and Indian fronts.  The point is non-European peoples, despite being competitors, can and should be respected as separate peoples, just as non-human species can and should be respected for the roles they play in enriching their ecosystems and the diversity of life on this planet.  I seriously doubt that any on this site relish the idea of exterminating competitor human groups (living outside our midst).  They have their territories, we have ours, and ideally, never the twain shall meet.

Posted by Bay Area National Anarchist on July 19, 2008, 06:21 PM | #

Contrary to cladrastis I think this speech is great if not the best one.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 19, 2008, 06:32 PM | #

“I seriously doubt that any on this site relish the idea of exterminating competitor human groups”  (—Cladrastris)

You’re right and Lowell would be the first to agree with you.  He never said he wanted to exterminate anyone.  His reference to poisoning rivers was intended solely as a proposal for possible self-defense in case of aggression.  He added that China in any case was by its nature unlikely ever to be a military threat to a hypothetical “Europid empire.”  He did say Tibet properly belonged in the Europid sphere of influence, not the Chinese sphere.  But he nowhere advocated attacking China to bring that about.  Whether that’s implied or not can be discussed, but these are details.  I think the astrological references and the ancient hyporborean stuff and so on are also details with which I would never dream of quibbling in the event the rest of his vision could be realized, never.  As for the timetables you disliked, there’s nothing wrong with setting future dates as crucial opportunities not to be missed, especially if it inspires us to redouble our exertions.  I don’t see what’s so wrong with any of that.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 19, 2008, 06:39 PM | #

Lowell, by the way, is a wonderful public speaker, I find.  I’ve sat and watched whole speeches of his in Maltese, understanding not a single word (apart from the occasional phrase in English) just because he’s riveting (of course, it also helps to know he’s speaking in favor of our side’s positions).

Posted by skeptical on July 19, 2008, 09:41 PM | #

Lowell is great.  He seems to be one of the few who understand that a spirit of ethnocentrism needs to be incorporated within a larger vision which considers the entirety of European man.

Pace the writings of Evola, not only must we stop the bleeding (in terms of our collective genocide) but we must also readapt the Traditionalist spirit for contemporary times.  The old conservatism is insufficient to the task because it attempts to resurrect Traditionalism in an earlier form that is now no longer usable.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 19, 2008, 10:20 PM | #

“The old conservatism is insufficient to the task because it attempts to resurrect Traditionalism in an earlier form that is now no longer usable.”  (—Skeptical)

That’s certainly one-hundred percent true.  We, not the “conservatives” or even the tradcons for the most part, are the only ones pointing out the changes that have to be made in the old “conservatism’s” conception of itself before it will have a prayer of meeting the challenges now before us. 

Incidentally, I was glad Lowell mentioned the swine Richard Corbett MEP and the filthy tricks he played aimed at preventing any group with our side’s ideas from forming in the EU parliament.  I commented on this genuinely vile individual here.

Posted by Neverwinter on July 27, 2008, 11:42 PM | #

The mission to get Norman Lowell to the EU parliament in 2009 seems to me to be the most important task at hand.  I have been following Norman since the days of Ave Melita forum.  I was drawn to the IDEA like iron to a magnet. 

Imperium Europa is the only hope for Europids to survive and to maintain our lands.  One can deny this but when that person takes the time and considers in deep thoughts our current charted course, they shall see that without Imperium all is lost.

We precious few who have become adherents and acolytes realize that there is no other Vision that can save our beloved Europe.  It is true that not all of Norman’s thoughts on Imperium sit well with those who encounter it but it is also true that the basic structure and plan for forming the Nova Europa and the Imperium to follow are indeed sound. 

As stated above, it should be the goal of all who love Europe to do all that is possible to help Norman become elected to the EU parliament.  We must have Norman in Brussels to utilize the coming economic crisis.  We must have him there to capitalize on the problems caused by the endless non-Europid invasions.  We must have our voice bursting forth amongst the poison siren calls of the globalist destroyers!

Neverwinter
www.vivamalta.org

Posted by Guessedworker on July 28, 2008, 03:59 AM | #

Fred,

Can you please play the ball and not the man?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 28, 2008, 08:40 AM | #

Are you referring to Lowell or Corbett, GW?  My language when referring to the latter was too strong?

Posted by Guessedworker on July 28, 2008, 09:33 AM | #

Fred,

Not Norman.

I don’t know Richard Corbett and neither do you.  The question is not whether we are fine upstanding people and he is the worst man that ever walked God’s earth.  Or the other way round.  I may be the vilest, most criminally-minded collection of cells in the universe, known and unknown.  But all that matters here is whether I am right about The Great Issue?  If he acts in his own interests is European Man just and true?

Let Corbett explain his moral worth to his god, if he has one.  It’s his politics we revile.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 28, 2008, 09:57 AM | #

Thanks for that correction, GW.  I’ll try to keep the lid on my non-Anglo-Saxon emotional surges.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 30, 2008, 09:24 PM | #

During Norman Lowell’s talk Lady Michele Renouf called out, “Africa for the Africans.”

It would seem the men in charge in Peking didn’t hear her.

(Hat tip:  TheCivicPlatform.com.)

Posted by Dave Johns on July 30, 2008, 09:36 PM | #

Africa, in the long run, will prove to be a millstone around China’s neck. That’s something I’m glad about!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 28, 2008, 10:16 AM | #

A traditional English saying suffices to show the wrongness of Yockey here (as well as of David Stennett):  “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.” 

(Note that Norman Lowell does not commit this error, any appearances to the contrary notwithstanding.)

Posted by Captainchaos on December 27, 2008, 12:16 AM | #

cladastris: “All the talk about root races, Hyperboreans, mystical books,”

Lowell is espousing his Nietzschean “science of the spirit,” a mythos intended to spiritualize racial consciousness for the lemmings.  He doesn’t believe it himself.  Just as Pierce espoused cosmotheism, but was an atheist.

“...caucasoid Tibetans and Mongolians(?!),”

Lowell is feeding a rationalization to the lemmings to get them on board for strategic land-snatching.

“...poisoning the Chinese water supply,”

Lowell is willing to be utterly ruthless, he praised Hitler, but claims to reject Hitlerianism.

“...allowing twelve men to appoint themselves as rulers over the Imperium based on astrological signs,”

He says the rotating Chairmanship from amongst the twelve will be determined by astrological divination.  As stated before, Lowell doesn’t sincerely believe any of that hokus-pokus.  He probably figure that would method would be as arbitrary and impartial as rolling a dice.  Also, it plays into his “science of the spirit” schtick.  The twelve would appoint themselves in the sense that they would not be opposed; use your imagination to come up with the ways a person would quell opposition.

“...emphasis on everything coming together by 2012,”

He is trying to create a sense of urgency and hype; consistent with the mythos he is selling.

“...is absurd and antithetical to Western intellectualism.”

Perhaps from a standpoint of pure intellectualism, but Lowell is interested in saving the White race - by any means necessary.  His approach is less kooky than it is condescending.  I guess he figures if the lemmings are too fucking stupid to figure out what he is really up to then why should he deign to give them the straight dope?