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Color of Crime 2005 ReleasedVDARE and Jared Taylor report the New Century Foundation’s The Color of Crime 2005 has just been released. A quick summary of the findings: + Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate. + The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined. + A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white. + Rape: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics. What has been the reaction of the controlled media to these findings? ( .) Posted by leslie on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 11:08 PM in Race realism Comments:2
Posted by June Gordon on September 14, 2005, 04:04 AM | # Why should the mainstream media respond to propaganda spread by bigots? “The Color of Crime,” produced by the white supremacists at American Renaissance, was previously debunked by the Southern Poverty Law Center and respected race relations expert Tim Wise, among others. When people see the title, they know what it is. Nor does such nonsense resonate with the average American. Most people know that most violent crime occurs at the hands of family, friends and acquaintances, who ae usually of the same ‘race’ as the victim. To make a long story short, despite the preponderance of fools who are racists, most folks aren’t fools. Racist propaganda will always attract mainly people who are racists. It belongs on the fringe, and will remain there. 3
Posted by Guessedworker on September 14, 2005, 05:45 AM | # June, You are guilty of a some egregious conflations and naive assumptions. The claim here is not that inter-racial crime is the norm in criminal terms. It is that the balance is heavily black-on-white and that is hidden from public knowledge by a liberal establishment that places marxian equality above service to the people. You use the term supremacism, which demonstrates a deep ignorance of those you condemn. Any one will tell you that this worthless, leftist swearword has no connectivity whatsoever to the race-aware right who are segregationists, not supremacists. To know where you come from and what that means, as Messers Dees and Wise undoubtedly do, is - among white gentiles - not to seek mastery over another people. Do try to get this into your head. Your reference to the SLPC is wonderfully ironic, by the way. It’s a deeply racist Jewish-interest organisation that nobody can take seriously. I am amazed you don’t know that or that you think we would be impressed. Likewise, Tim Wise. Respect him all you wish but liberal Jewish intellectuals are never trustworthy on the subject of race. From Boas onward the record has been uniformly anti-white and cavalier with the facts. If you want me to “debunk” Tim Wise, by the way, I shall be pleased to do so. On the rise of race-consciousness in the West, there is no question but that it is lagging behind the slow dispossession of whites. But that dispossession is not without consequence - the left has no understanding of this. We do. We are riding the wave of the future. You are already defensive. 4
Posted by Kubilai on September 14, 2005, 05:48 AM | # June sure is making the rounds on all the “racist” boards. Why the concern, June? We “fringe” elements are just that, aren’t we? Do you also make the rounds on the flat earth sites to tell them they are fringe as well? LOL By the way June, I wouldn’t believe the SPLC and Tim Wise if they told me the sky was blue. Great examples of “unbiased refutation” you have there. People can read June’s well indoctrinated vitriol here… http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/africa_in_our_m.php#comments Posted by June Gordon at 10:28 AM on September 7 5
Posted by onetwothree on September 14, 2005, 07:47 AM | # How can you spot a “white supremacist” in a crowd? He is the only white person who acknowledges that Japanese and Jews have superior IQs compared to Europeans. 6
Posted by Geoff Beck on September 14, 2005, 08:53 AM | # June, Worried the truth is getting out? Worried that a few lemmings might arise out of lemminghood? We aren’t stopping til everyone has the information they need to deal with the race problem in America. 7
Posted by Geoff Beck on September 14, 2005, 09:09 AM | # This sounds suspiciously “white supremacist:” http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1123495&page=1 8
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 14, 2005, 03:47 PM | # June knows perfectly well which neighborhoods to avoid after dark, which kind of people are least likely and most likely to mug her on the street, which schools not to send her kids to, and all the rest. 9
Posted by AD on September 14, 2005, 03:49 PM | # “The Color of Crime,” produced by the white supremacists at American Renaissance, was previously debunked by the Southern Poverty Law Center and respected race relations expert Tim Wise, among others. Oh,rubbish.None of the facts have been ‘debunked’.Skirting around the edges,putting up strawman arguments and answering questions that were not raised doesn’t translate to ‘debunking’ anything. Countering the fact that black-on-white rape is astronomically higher than the reverse by saying most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim is not even an argument.It is turnspeak.The SPLC and other anti-white hate groups do nothing but spend their time casting victims as aggressors. 20 white girls were raped by blacks today,but on the ‘hate crime’ front,the white supremacist neo-nazi National Alliance put bigoted flyers about interracial rape in 200 letterboxes. I’m sure the average person is much more interested in hearing about the SPLC or ADL’s latest press release about ‘hate crimes’ than facts and figures.The whole world is slowly finding out the truth about whats gone on in the US since the 60’s.I’m in Australia,and up until a few years ago i thought interracial ‘hate’ crime went no further than James Byrd,now i know different.Why does that bother you,June? 10
Posted by Amon on September 14, 2005, 04:27 PM | # June: I only read part of Tim Wise’s “rebuttal” to “The Color of Crime,” and the parts I read don’t disprove anything that the report says. Here are the first three points made:
The report says that Blacks do commit significantly more violent crime than Whites. The reason is irrelevant, since the report’s point is to show that Blacks are more dangerous—not what makes them more dangerous.
He ignores that practically no Blacks work in top jobs. If Whites make up, say, 90% CEOs, and Blacks, 1%, then it’s obvious that Whites will commit a higher number of corporate crimes. But this doesn’t mean that Whites have higher corporate crime rates. 11
Posted by ben tillman on September 14, 2005, 04:27 PM | # Onetwothree—that is good for a chuckle, indeed. 12
Posted by Kubilai on September 14, 2005, 05:24 PM | # Amon, an important clarification. You said… The report says that Blacks do commit significantly more violent crime than Whites. The reason is irrelevant, since the report’s point is to show that Blacks are more dangerous—not what makes them more dangerous. The reason is not only irrelevant, it is erroneous, and in Wise’s case, an outright manipulative lie. Economic differences do NOT explain the differences whatsoever. As has been stated here previously, there is NO economic justification for rape which blacks far exceed whites, hence his argument is complete bull. Also, there are many more poor white people in toto than blacks and we do not see a rash or murders, muggings, burglaries etc. in these poor white regions or areas. Finally, the greatest example of great poverty and disillusionment was during the Great Depression and again there was NOT this sort of societal depravity then as we see in the black community now. People starved back then and it never crossed many of their minds to murder or rape due to “economic” hardship. Wise is a viscious liar and that is all one needs to know. 13
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 06:26 PM | # Why should the mainstream media respond to propaganda spread by bigots? I agree. I don’t want them to respond. I want them to continue lying, to keep yapping and smacking their food, right up until the point they realize that everyone else at the table has stopped talking altogether, and is staring at them with stony expressions. “The Color of Crime,” produced by the white supremacists at American Renaissance, was previously debunked by the Southern Poverty Law Center and respected race relations expert Tim Wise, among others. What is a white supremacist? I’d appreciate a working definition. I doubt you can provide one though, at least one that satisfies your needs and stands up to critique. How about this? The white race is inferior to all other races, in every way. Happy? It changes none of my positions, so I’m willing to concede it, even if only for the purposes of argument. I’m not being facetious, I’m being 100% honest. It changes none of my positions to “concede” this. When people see the title, they know what it is. No bias involved, right? Nor does such nonsense resonate with the average American. Most of the people I know are working class southerners. All are racist. No, I’m not exaggerating. None of them is political about it like I am (I actually met my first White Nationalist a few weeks ago). Most people know that most violent crime occurs at the hands of family, friends and acquaintances, who ae usually of the same ‘race’ as the victim. “‘Race’” is it? I suppose race doesn’t exist? Explain the facts found here then please (or just ignore them, whatever): http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=182050 If race doesn’t exist, can you add something to the following discussion?: To make a long story short, despite the preponderance of fools who are racists, most folks aren’t fools. What is a racist? I’m guessing you aren’t going by the dictionary definition, since it probably doesn’t serve your needs. I’ll assume until corrected that by “racist” you mean race-realist. If race-realists are fools, why do people like yourselves run from them like schoolgirls? Why is the establishment so afraid to deal with us? Why don’t “anti-racists” challenge us to a duel? Why don’t we pick the best guys from each team, put them into a debate, and film the whole thing? Then we can play it on television and make a documentary out of it. If race-realism is so obviously foolish, why does the establishment work so hard to blatantly mischaracterize it, pretend it doesn’t exist, and tell us how evil it is? We don’t need public service announcements telling us murder is wrong, but we do need them for race-realism. Why is that? Here’s a little open secret that every race-realist knows: we’ve all heard every one of your arguments. We’ve heard it all. We grew up hearing it. We compared it to what the race-realists say and found the former lacking. You, on the other hand, have heard very little of what we have to say. That’s why you’re so very bad at this. You live in a bubble, so when you leave it you aren’t equipped to deal with reality. Racist propaganda will always attract mainly people who are racists. It belongs on the fringe, and will remain there. I often wonder how much support race-realism would garner if given a fair hearing. I don’t know. I do know this: the second-biggest political forum on the Internet is a White Nationalist Website. I’ll leave it to you to draw the conclusions. How about this, how about you put your money where your mouth is? Instead of insult, try logic. That shouldn’t be too hard. Actually, you should run for the hills. It’s a sucker’s bet. I’ve been doing this for a few years now, like clockwork. I don’t lose. Occasionally I’m battled to a draw. That’s as good as you’ll get. Want to know why? It isn’t because I’m that good. It’s because I’m right. Choosing the right side of an argument is the best way to avoid losing it. Arguing the Earth is flat is difficult, regardless of skill. 14
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 06:30 PM | # Why the concern, June? We “fringe” elements are just that, aren’t we? Do you also make the rounds on the flat earth sites to tell them they are fringe as well? LOL, those are my sentiments exactly. Tangentially: Does June post on black supremacist boards too? How about those radical Zionist boards? Is it only EuroChristians who receive June’s wisdom? 15
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 06:31 PM | # How can you spot a “white supremacist” in a crowd? He is the only white person who acknowledges that Japanese and Jews have superior IQs compared to Europeans. LOL, good one. 16
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 06:36 PM | # Want to see Tim Wise getting his ass kicked (not to mention revealing his true, behind-the-scenes character)? http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-SBA-05-TimWiseOnRacialViolence-AResponse.html 17
Posted by June Gordon on September 14, 2005, 07:26 PM | # No, Guessedworker. Your cohort is not about the future at all. It is mentally frozen in 1860 or so, the sinecure of people who fear equality. But, as any reasonable person who follows contemporary events and trends can confirm, equality of different types is increasingly the norm. The gay rights movement, now gaining momentum in the U.S., is the latest indicator of that history driven acceptance of equality as ideal. As the U.S. rushes headlong to becoming a majority minority country, the backward views of your friends here are becoming increasingly isolated. Even on this site, which includes Europeans, you have been able only to collect about a dozen propagandists, most of whom are shared with other racist sites. That is not indicative of a growing movement at all. There are few of you and there will be fewer. Your vile tirade of anti-Semitism in regard to my previous comment does nothing to improve your standing. Mental health experts who have studied racism believe it is a type of obsessive-compulsive mental illness. The obsession with the ‘Other’ often extends to Jews, women and gays. Your inability to mention Jews without resorting to group libel definitely supports that theory. As for the Southern Poverty Law Center, its fact gathering on civil rights issues is considered among the most reliable. Americans rely on the SPLC for credible information. In addtion, its lawsuits against racist organizations have crippled them and giving meaningful relief to people who have suffered or died at the hands of white supremacists. Morris Dees is one of those people who will be able to look back on tangible acts of aid rendered on his death bed. You and yours will, on the other hand, will lie there considering the harm to innocent people you have caused and hoping there is no justice in the after life. Though crime rates are at their lowest in decades, decimination of real information about how people can protect themselves from crime has increased. More women are now aware that the greatest threat to their lives is domestic violence. Families know that their children are most likely to be molested by people they know, that ‘stranger danger’ is not widespread. Americans learn that the most common use for handguns in homes is suicide. With facts readily available, propaganda such as “The Color of Crime” gets the attention it deserves—next to none at all. 18
Posted by Kubilai on September 14, 2005, 08:09 PM | # June, have you scratched any deeper into your assertions aside from the apparent few proverbial nanometers that is so obvious? Your parroting of one lie after another is embarrassing for a child, let alone an adult. Your propping on a pedestal of a racist and self-serving fool like Dees is insulting to any sentient being. Your repetitive insults that are directed towards people here are hollow and rightfully betray your true hidden concerns. You’ve failed to answer the most important question directed at you, namely WHY are you here if we are of so little importance? Also, WHY do you travel the web and do the same things to other sites that are “racist”? If we are nothing but a handful of racist people, why exert the energy you do to “refute” anything said here? Answer those questions, June. 19
Posted by amon on September 14, 2005, 08:10 PM | # June: You’re right. In 2000, the U.S. crime rate reached a 28-year low. But crime rates change sporadically—there’s no reason to think that U.S. crime rate will continue to decrease. Moreover, every document on race and crime says the same thing: Blacks are the most likely to commit crime, followed by Hispanics, Whites, and lastly, Asians. Are you denying this, or are you just saying that “The Color of Crime’s” data are wrong? 20
Posted by Kubilai on September 14, 2005, 08:23 PM | # As to this leftist lie that June lapped up… Mental health experts who have studied racism believe it is a type of obsessive-compulsive mental illness. Clearly unbiased researchers do not have these same beliefs, June….
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050525105357.htm 21
Posted by Geoff Beck on September 14, 2005, 08:32 PM | # > Mental health experts who have studied racism believe it is a type of obsessive-compulsive mental illness. If this is true there are two conclusions: 1) We can’t let the mentally ill just walk around. They must be treated, drugged, watched, denied certain things that otherwise healthy people enjoy 2) If treatment fails, well, we can send them to the gulag. After all, America is a paradise, you’d be crazy not to see that. > history driven acceptance of equality as ideal. See, we racists, are in the way of history. June Gordon, why don’t you just come out and say - we deserve to be exterminated. That’s what you think after all. You’ve got the rhetoric of Lenin and Trotsky down pat. 22
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 08:39 PM | # I copied your post into the submission box with the intent of pointing out where you use logic, and where you don’t. Once I started reading, I quickly realized my reply would take up far less space if I simply noted that I’d only reply to your logic and included a note that all else in your post is irrelevant, obfuscatory, and ad hominem. Mental health experts who have studied racism believe it is a type of obsessive-compulsive mental illness. They’ve been dealt with in Kevin MacDonald’s work, The Culture of Critique, which no one in the academic community has yet answered. I wonder why? Perhaps that’s because, like Margaret Mead, Boas, The Frankfurt School, The New York Intellectuals, et. al., they can’t respond to the criticism of their work because it’s true. In short, the authors of The Authoritarian Personality falsified their data. As for the Southern Poverty Law Center, its fact gathering on civil rights issues is considered among the most reliable. The SPLC is a hate group. Its dirty laundry has been aired, see your local Web search for details. its lawsuits against racist organizations have crippled them and giving meaningful relief to people who have suffered or died at the hands of white supremacists. LOL. Bees killed more people last year than white supremacists. Americans learn that the most common use for handguns in homes is suicide. This isn’t germane, but I’ll bite. People have the right to check themselves out. If a person has decided, for whatever reason, to exercise that right, do you really think gun control is going to stop him? In your world, suicide is something that just “pops into” people’s heads I guess, and if they can’t find a nearby weapon (say, a kitchen knife), they’ll never commit suicide. How many crimes have guns stopped or prevented? You don’t know. Pointing out x or y doesn’t make z untrue. “Z” is that roughly 6% of America’s population, black males, commit over 50% of America’s violent crime. You’re still avoiding the arguments above about the black tendency towards rape. The stats come from the DoJ. What’s your excuse here, I wonder? With facts readily available, propaganda such as “The Color of Crime” gets the attention it deserves—next to none at all. You can’t support your assertions. Can you even link to someone who can? June, no offense, but your behavior seems to indicate pathology. This isn’t an argument, just an observation. 23
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 08:44 PM | # This “June” reminds me a great deal with a psychopath I’ve corresponded with via email several times. If they’re the same person, “he” or “she” or “it” will soon start ranting about how all us race-realists will soon end up in jail. When I say psychopath, I really mean psychopath. Of course, I don’t know if the two people are one and the same. 24
Posted by Kubilai on September 14, 2005, 08:46 PM | # Pathology of extreme liberalism is more the case. 25
Posted by Kubilai on September 14, 2005, 08:49 PM | # Svi, does this help you any? From the KTHV thread… So, Geoff Beck tried to bully a police spokesman and a television news station into supporting him in an outright lie. Now, his name is on record as a white supremacist who attempts to harass people performing their duties, including law enforcement. Hopefully, it will be passed on to the FBI since the kinds of threats made in this thread suggest someone capable of violence. People are learning not to wait until these situations reach Matt Hale proportions. - June Gordon 26
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 08:56 PM | # Yeah that’s “it,” at least that’s my guess. I say “it” because “its” tone is always so very consistent with that of a psychopathic “Church Lady” (SNL character), but “it’s” assured me “it’s” male. Whatever “it” is, we should all ignore “it”; we’re in a battle of wits with an unarmed “man.” 27
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 09:00 PM | # GW & Co, you might as well jump out in front and ban “it.” I don’t expect you to, or want you to really, but I predict “it” will force you to eventually. Several bricks short of a load. 28
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2005, 09:02 PM | # June, you have spewed a bunch of B.S. Where are your citations? You surely need to read the study on prejudice that Kubilai has mentioned. I have uploaded the full research paper here ; just click on the “click here to download file” link on the page linked to. 29
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 09:14 PM | # One of you guys should record its IP, and I can then point you to a SF mod (it’s been banned there already) so you can compare notes. It’d be amusing to confirm or deny my suspicions. I guess I could just come out and ask! Hey June, am I right, is that you? 30
Posted by Geoff Beck on September 14, 2005, 09:20 PM | # > Ban June Gordon? Not yet. There might be more entertainment to come. She wants the FBI to arrest me for questioning public officials and a television station. 31
Posted by Svigor on September 14, 2005, 10:06 PM | # http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/0905/14carjacking.html Yeah June, we’re the bad guys. 32
Posted by ummjack on September 14, 2005, 10:23 PM | # Google “June Gordon” and the top hit is this: http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/blog/2005/08/am-i-bigot-june-gordon-says-i-am.html She’s harassing someone who blogs about disability issues. No comment necessary. 33
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 14, 2005, 10:50 PM | # who ‘s a professor of education at the University of California, Santa Cruz. 34
Posted by JB on September 15, 2005, 03:15 AM | # Timmy wrote: What is the link between “economic conditions” and black males raping people ? Please Timmy explain that one to us racists privileged white males. Timmy wrote: I’d like to look at his calculations - if there is any
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Posted by JB on September 15, 2005, 03:44 AM | # June Gordon: here are some articles on the SPLC and its hatemonger in chief : Who is the Southern Poverty Law Center and What is Their Role in the Campaign Against Prop. 200? The Church of Morris Dees [second half of the page]
A Fact Sheet on Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center
Strictly From Hunger: The Morris Dees Story
It was the SPLC that worked to take the ranch of an american and give it to two invaders : http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/08/2_illegal_immig.php
June Gordon: and guess what June ? they’re even more at risk if those fools decided to mate with someone outside of their race : http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic153.htm
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Posted by seelow heights on September 15, 2005, 09:29 AM | # A demolition of the SPLC by leftist (and Red Diaper Baby) Alexander Cockburn: Gloria Browne, a lawyer who’s worked with Dees’ outfit, once told the 37
Posted by seelow heights on September 15, 2005, 10:29 AM | # Visiting leftists and tranzis might want to persuse the analysis of Tim Wise’s assertions made by members of the South Asian-run blog GNXP.com.For those who are unaware, anyone suspected of being pro-White is unwelcome at this site. 38
Posted by Phil on September 15, 2005, 04:09 PM | # The sight of logic and a leftist’s arguments collapse in a giant cloud of dust. Next entry: A small victory for Prof. Fraser Previous entry: Donating to the BNP |
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Posted by Geoff Beck on September 13, 2005, 11:27 PM | #
I read that one a few times:
Rape: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.