Freedom of speech includes the right to deny the holocaust

Posted by Andrew on February 19, 2006, 02:51 AM | #

Yeh, that is the one part I do not understand, after all, Hitler did not only terminate Jews, Many thousands of others perished, just as much as the Allied forces perished, and just as P O W s were murdered.
Why does it have to be the Jewish Holocaust, then what about the Bolsheviks Holocaust of Russian’s etc?
To frame it as a Vengeance measure on behalf of one group, ( and it was), but to leave idol the existence of the greater many who Perished in all the Ideological holocaust’s of Marxism’s Theories of stupidity and Pathological distemper, Why just make assertions about one event?
In past hence, the coined expression, “ What About Me”.

Posted by friedrich braun on February 19, 2006, 12:12 PM | #

An interesting peace of new: the Iranian President is reading Rudolf’s ‘Lectures on the Holocaust’:

http://www.yourforum.org/revforum/viewtopic.php?t=2954

Additionally, listen to him speak…intellectually his light years ahead of Bush

Here is a video of Ahmadinejad speaking
February 11, 2006

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.a…034wmv&ak=null

I especially enjoyed him calling Europe’s prohibition on investigating the holocau$t myth as “medieval.”

Poland has already said ‘no’ to any investigation of the hoax on its soil. Isn’t that curious?

Poland will not let Iran “research” Holocaust
Staff and agencies
17 February, 2006

26 minutes ago

WARSAW - Poland‘s Foreign Minister Stefan Meller on Friday ruled out allowing any Iranian researchers to examine the scale of the Holocaust committed by the German Nazis on Polish soil during World War Two.

Meller‘s remarks came after repeated denials of the Jewish Holocaust by Iranian officials and their suggestions that more research is needed to establish the truth about what happened to European Jews.

“Under no circumstances we should allow something like that to take place in Poland,” Meller told Polish news agency PAP. “It goes beyond all imaginable norms to question, even discuss or negotiate the issue.”

Polish daily Rzeczpospolita reported on Friday that Iran wants to send researchers to Poland to examine the scale of the Nazi crimes during the war.

Some 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust, with an estimated 1.1 million killed in gas chambers at Auschwitz- Birkenau, a death camp set up in German-occupied Poland.

Last week Iran‘s ambassador to Lisbon, who in the past served as a diplomat in Poland, said in an interview on Portuguese radio that according to his calculations based on a visit to the camp, now a museum, it would have taken the Nazis 15 years to burn the corpses of 6 million people.

Via: http://www.yourforum.org/revforum/viewtopic.php?t=2946

Posted by friedrich braun on February 19, 2006, 12:20 PM | #

that should read: piece of news (damn, I wish there was an edit function)  :(

Posted by friedrich braun on February 19, 2006, 12:25 PM | #

Although I have always been and always will be the most unwavering supporter of the State of Israel, I don’t believe that Israel is well-served by muffling free speech—even idiotic free speech.  So I reproduce below a press release from the U.K. Libertarian Alliance

Why are you an “unwavering supporting” of the thieving, criminal, terrorist state of Israel?

Posted by friedrich braun on February 19, 2006, 06:13 PM | #

I find myself watching this video made by a comrade again and again. It’s a powerful critique of Israel and of Western hypocrisy. 

http://www.national-socialism.com/OKB stash/Nejad.wmv

Posted by friedrich braun on February 19, 2006, 06:13 PM | #

you’ll have to cut and paste it.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 20, 2006, 05:26 AM | #

“Another reason is governments and whole governing establishments of Western and Central Europe might be suddenly swept out of power for the first time since the aftermath of WW II if doubts about the claimed systematic Nazi massacre of Jews (and therefore about the post-WW-II secular religion of infinte, unexpungible, eternal German guilt) were to become widespread.”

Fred is right. If the Holocaust falls (or is even substantially revised), the New World Order is history.

Posted by Steve Edwards on February 20, 2006, 05:31 AM | #

“Although I have always been and always will be the most unwavering supporter of the State of Israel.”

So what happens if the interests of Israel do not coincide with the interests of Australia?

Posted by ben tillman on February 20, 2006, 11:12 AM | #

The criminalization of scholarly inquiry into this question has turned me from someone who never in his life doubted a word of the official story to a skeptic….

I’m not sure there is an official story any more—or at least it has been changing.  The number isn’t 6 million; it’s 5 or 5.5.  And the gas is no longer Zyklon B (except at Auschwitz); CO is alleged to have killed twice as many.  And the death toll at Auschwitz continues to be revised downward, by one of Lipstadt’s experts, among others.  Note, however, that this does not pose a problem for the overall 5- or 5.5-million total because the total has always been based on demographic analysis rather than aggregation of subtotals for various camps and methods of killing.  See Hilberg’s Vernichtung der europaeischen Juden [sic].

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on February 20, 2006, 02:19 PM | #

I’ve always found the use of demographics as a basis for casualty counts puzzling; don’t the people doing this know how silly that sounds to a skeptic?

Many jews and communists fled Germany for the east.  Who’s to say who changed their names or wound up in gulags or was simply lost in the shuffle?

God only knows how many new holocausts could be “discovered” and “proven” by going through the records and finding similar demographic shifts.

Three big objections spring into to my mind vis-a-vis THE holocaust:

1) investigating the alleged crime is a crime, at least at the scene; it isn’t exactly a good career move elsewhere.

2) jews have invested billions of dollars and countless hours in the holocaust narrative, but can’t be bothered to use ground-penetrating radar to find the 40,000 tons of bone fragments that should exist, mostly in mass graves under Polish soil.

3) the alleged methods are horribly inefficient; various vastly-improved methods can be devised on a paper napkin during a lunch break.

Posted by friedrich braun on February 20, 2006, 05:07 PM | #

Just as I predicted Irving will spend more time in jail (he got three years). But I must admit that I’m still in shock…somewhat….

No other historical area of inquiry has been erected to a quasi-religious dogma that MUST BE BELIEVED and cannot be doubted, challenged, questioned…by prying eyes.

Bernard Lewis can safely say that the Armenian genocide has been exaggerated and no university dean goes public to denounce him and his views while heaping the most disgusting calumnies…as was done with Butz recently.

Fred, read the standard Nurember narrative on the holocau$t world religion and Revisionist writings…you can’t fail to notice that Revisionists have science and logic on their side…and that’s why they must be hounded and persecuted…if they didn’t pose a threat to the established version Europe wouldn’t spend so much time and effort going after a handful of independent dissident voices.

However, I think that by jailing Iriving the Holocau$t Industry has finally gone too far, watch it back fire on it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/austria/article/0,,1713922,00.html

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 21, 2006, 04:11 PM | #

Fred,

Check out the David Cole Video I linked to in the other thread.

Posted by gagoonies on October 08, 2010, 06:04 PM | #

I don’t believe in the holohoax.

The holocaust did NOT happen.

come arrest me.

Spew garbage & spit from your rotten maw in a retarded fit for my amusement.

The holocaust, evidently not as affective as stated.

Jews are of the same branch as arabs. What do I care for the delusions of semites. Their dreams & desires are trivial & inconsequential to my own. All I know is they who were welcomed open armed by the people of America. Have done us a great disservice. I often wonder if jews sit around and declare amongst themselves as to how completely stupid they are. What do I require for franchises of propaganda indoctrination centers fueled by the dogma of savages who still today practice genital mutilation of not only their own children but others ritually through institutionalized medical fraud. These mental bondage factories known as holocaust museums constructed across my lands via tax payers robbed by the powers that be of their wealth by illegal means. Why are school children being bussed to these locations funded illegally by tax victims robbed of their wealth by the corrupt powers that be.

THE HOLOCAUST DIDN’T HAPPEN.