Forgive me while I laugh

Posted by UK POP on August 18, 2006, 11:12 AM | #

(how come nobody else here other than David is in communication with our vast Western musical heritage?)

You arrogant Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do Better
Do better
Maybe my niece’s pussy
will let you pet her.
She’s got fangs
and hates your
“quotes”. maybe you can be a
smart alec
and “preach” the way
of typing an Italic.
You think you swing, and sing
and bop with the best, You
are the only Fool to
pity. Shitty city neighbours-
the only way to be
in touch with reality.
Pinnacle my arse!
JohnJayRay thank you
for being MR’s cunt breathing farce

Posted by Andy on August 18, 2006, 11:28 AM | #

What an utterly useless comment, UK POP. The kind of people who say things like “cunt breathing farce” are the kind of people who should be banned immediately.

Let’s keep the “discussion” confined to those whose IQ reaches triple digits. 

But where does that locate the arse-end of Western civilization?  I live in a place that is not remotely “vibrant”.  It is as quiet as the grave for most of the time—- which I just how I and my neighbours like it.  Yet I have easy access to the pinnacle achievements of Western civilization more or less whenever I like.

  Amen. Any place that is quiet, peaceful, and white is doing a hell of a lot better than the UK and most parts of the US.

Posted by UK POP on August 18, 2006, 11:38 AM | #

Forgive me Andy. I accept the banishment.

—And if your friend does evil to you, say to him, I forgive you for what you did to me, but how can I forgive you for what you did to yourself? —Nietzsche, Friedrich

Posted by Minority Rights on August 18, 2006, 11:58 AM | #

“Forgive me while I laugh”

Actually, I do laugh - sadly - when I contemplate what this blog could have been, and what it is reduced to due to either a lack of quality control, or some sort of masochistic desire for self-annihilation.

Or, perhaps there is a purpose to this post other than “intellectual” (sic) onanism?

Posted by John Smith on August 18, 2006, 12:15 PM | #

Not to stray too far, but the vocabulary on Majority Rights is exquisite. It’s as if I’ve entered my formative schooling years.

“The first use of onanism to consistently and specifically refer to masturbation appears to be Onania, an anonymous pamphlet first distributed in London in 1716. In it was a bombastic but novel tirade, drawing on familiar themes of sin and vice, this time in particular against the “heinous sin” of “self-pollution”. After dire warnings that those who so indulged would suffer impotence, gonorrhea, epilepsy and a wasting of the faculties (included were letters and testimonials supposedly from young men ill and dying from the effects of compulsive masturbation) the pamphlet then goes on to recommend as an effective remedy a “Strengthening Tincture” at 10 shillings a bottle and a “Prolific Powder” at 12 shillings a bag, available from a certain shop in London.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation

Posted by Minority Rights on August 18, 2006, 12:34 PM | #

Andy, don’t be too hard on “UK Pop.”  What we see here is a “behavioral sink” - silly and unedifying posts lead to ever more silly, unedifying, and - eventually - vulgar comments.

Posted by Minority Rights on August 18, 2006, 12:43 PM | #

Is this the comment that has got Mr. Ray so riled?:

“You’re (sic) life in Brisbane’s unaffected because it’s the back end of nowhere and (more positively) Howard has kept better control on immigration than Blair or Bush.  Ride the Washington Metro daily, or have friends coming (sic) to visit from Britain, and tell me life’s been unaffected. “

Interestingly, that was from “Karl Magnus” who shares with John Ray the overarching ideology of aracial, economics-based, kosher conservatism.

But, even Mr. Magnus felt it necessary to object to a post that had as its foundation, “I haven’t seen any Muslims on the way to my concert, so Islam isn’t a problem for the West.”

The point:
“I was complacent only because I lived in a place that was basically the arse-end of Western civilization..”

still holds, regardless of the cultural characteristics of Brisbane.  Magnus’ major point was not that Brisbane has no culture, or that it does not represent ‘western civilization’, but, merely, that isolated as it is from the focal points of immigration, multiculturalism, and demographic warfare, life in Brisbane is not the proper standard by which to judge the state of the health of the West.

Do better.

Posted by UK POP on August 18, 2006, 12:48 PM | #

Thanks Minority Rights! I’ll bow out for now and give my own stupid wikipedia excerpt:

—Joe Strummer was born as John Mellor in Ankara, Turkey on August 21, 1952. His father was a British foreign-service diplomat and spent much of his time moving from place to place, which meant that Strummer spent his childhood in a variety of different countries. At the age of 10, Strummer and his older brother David began boarding at the City of London Freemen’s School, in Surrey. During this time Strummer rarely saw his parents. He developed a love of rock music, listening to records by The Beatles and The Beach Boys, as well as American folk-singer Woody Guthrie (Strummer would even go by the name “Woody” for a few years, until changing his name to “Joe Strummer” around the same time that the Clash was formed). Strummer was never very close to his brother David, but nonetheless David’s suicide significantly changed Joe’s outlook on life.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 18, 2006, 04:46 PM | #

(how come nobody else here other than David is in communication with our vast Western musical heritage?)

That’s a typical SF anti-humanist novice argument/question.  Our vast western musical heritage is fair game.  Many thousands of whites pursue it, quite independently of politics, and are under no threat from anti-humanist activity.

The second they stray into humanist (WNism, race-realism, etc.,) territory,  that changes and they come under the knife.

That’s why classical music isn’t really a humanist niche; we have bigger fish to fry, that no one else will touch.  We have plenty to do without reinventing the wheel.

This is just a suggestion, but perhaps if you spent less time pontificating and more time discussing, you wouldn’t put your foot right into such obvious bear traps so often.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 18, 2006, 04:48 PM | #

Whoops! That’s really ugly, so I’ll try it again:

(how come nobody else here other than David is in communication with our vast Western musical heritage?)

  That’s a typical SF anti-humanist novice argument/question.  Our vast western musical heritage is fair game.  Many thousands of whites pursue it, quite independently of politics, and are under no threat from anti-humanist activity.

  The second they stray into humanist (WNism, race-realism, etc.,) territory, that changes and they come under the knife.

  That’s why classical music isn’t really a humanist niche; we have bigger fish to fry, that no one else will touch.  We have plenty to do without reinventing the wheel.

  This is just a suggestion, but perhaps if you spent less time pontificating and more time discussing, you wouldn’t put your foot right into such obvious bear traps so often.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 18, 2006, 08:48 PM | #

Actually, Svi is right, John.  Serious music, always international, has been globalised with the greatest of ease and does not present any kind of basis for the direct advancement of white interests.  It is of interest only insomuch as it has obvious cultural underpinnings and is a product of the European genius.

I will make one small triumphalist claim for it.  High IQ non-Europeans, mostly Jews, Indians, Chinese and Levantines, can perform it.  But Jews aside (who are still not prolific producers of serious music) they can’t produce it, as we have discussed here before.  Its cultural specificity is too strong.

The beautiful thing about this is that we Europeans don’t give a damn about Ravi whatsit and his sitar thingy or some bunch of well-endowed, prehensile gentlemen bongoing away in Upper Revolta.  Culturally, it’s a White-wash.

Eighteen months ago, when my wife and I were doing the rounds of the London junior music conservatoires, we attended a students’ concert at which, I suppose, there were a fair number of Chinese and a sprinkling of brown faces in the audience.  They were all the parents and prospective students.

Just one Mamma with her (presumably musical) daughter and small son had turned up, and sat a few rows in front of us.  Now, the music that conservatoire students play is not all drawn from the eponymous Classic Favourites CD.  It tends to be demanding to perform and challenging to listen to.  Indeed, without an interest in the technicality of performance some of it is definitely trying.

So it was that the concert progressed through several ever more “difficult” pieces to the point where, frankly, even I was beginning to yearn for a little light relief.  Towards the end came a quartet playing a particularly appalling thing by some long-dead musical revolutionary.  At the end of the short first movement the black woman rose wearily from her seat and gathered up her offspring.  Exposed to two hundred pairs of eyes and with the most pained expression you can imagine on her face - a 100,000 year realisation that them white folks is different - she departed from our massed musical presence.

Whether the daughter ever auditioned for a place I cannot say.  She isn’t there now, anyway.

Posted by john ray on August 18, 2006, 08:59 PM | #

I was guilty of one injustice above.  I should have added Fred to the short list that includes David and me.

The Mamma who was driven out reminds me of something my friends used to do when our party guests had become boring.  We used to put on Janacek’s “Sinfonieta”.  We loved it but it would empty out most of our guests within 5 minutes.  They were so desperate to escape that they even left their beer behind.  Evil of us!

Posted by john ray on August 18, 2006, 09:02 PM | #

I think David is not quite right about the role of the Jews.  The Ashkenazim are racially pretty much Northern European and I think their contribution to classical music has been at least proportionate to their numbers.  Do the names Mendelssohn and Mahler ring a bell, for instance?

Posted by Al Ross on August 18, 2006, 09:48 PM | #

As composers of serious music the Jews are also rans. First prizes go to Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert.

Arnold Schoenberg’s main compositional innovation was the ‘discovery’ that, in keeping with his Judeo-Marxist ideals, every note on the keyboard was ‘of equal value’.

Posted by Nio Zilda on August 18, 2006, 10:21 PM | #

The imbalance between the huge number of top-class Jewish performers and the few important Jewish composers cannot be denied. Mendelssohn and Mahler are, I would say, of the second rank anyway. There seems to be some truth in the old observation that Jews are somewhat lacking in true creativity.

Posted by Al Ross on August 18, 2006, 11:51 PM | #

It isnt just Jewish performers who fail to shine in the compositonal field. I cant think of any world class performer who composed anything of note (unworthy pun intended).

This is probably because the sheer drudgery of the 10 hour day practice sessions required to reach concert standard doesnt sit well with the musically creative mind.

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 19, 2006, 12:13 AM | #

GW-I just got to love your phraseology-I would hate to get into a pissing contest with you-my shoes would be soaked before I found my zipper!LOL

Posted by jonjayray on August 19, 2006, 04:29 AM | #

The most widely esteemed modern composer would have to be Phillip Glass—who is Jewish.  He is up there with Bach and Mozart in my mind.  I put his music on often.

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 19, 2006, 05:02 AM | #

JJR-You’ve got a couple of people rolling over in their graves-but then again ,thats normal for you.Glass is good,but somewhat tinney,and to compare him with Mozart will definately get your antagonists in gear,me included.WAITING FOR THE FALL-OUT!

Posted by Guessedworker on August 19, 2006, 05:12 AM | #

John,

Are the Ashkenazim racially pretty much Northern European?  I thought the genomic data offered strong evidence of a non-European people.  In any case, their interests famously revolve around the subversion of healthy Western society.

In what sense other than surface culture and the taking of the pleasures of the West are Ashkenazim so very Northern European?

Posted by Al Ross on August 19, 2006, 05:36 AM | #

Philip Glass on the same plinth as Bach and Mozart ?

There is normally a sufficiency of commentators willing to take JJR to task when he comes up with items which are more than usually zany but I sense that a certain ennui has set in, so perhaps he has delighted us to the point of satiety.

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 06:21 AM | #

“The Ashkenazim are racially pretty much Northern European”

That is an outrageous lie, and I use the word “lie” here because this subject has been discussed here endlessly in the past (but, what else is new?).

Looking how the Ashkenazim cluster when compared only to European groups (Seldin et al, PLOS genetics), they fall into the Southern, *not* Northern, European cluster. They fall into a European cluster in that study *only* because the *only* groups they were compared to were European, and they had to go somewhere - and it was *not* Northern Europe.

Further, when studies are done to see how the Ashkenazim fit into a worldwide analysis, they fall more into the Near Eastern range.  NRY puts them so.  mtDNA gives a mixed picture, with recent data starting to emphasize at least a partial Near Eastern origin (and definitely not Northern European).  *Global* autosomal studies (as against Seldin’s European-only study) on Jews have not yet been done to conclusion, but with respect to analysis of disease genes, as well as DNAPrint, the Near Eastern emphasis is again clear.
(I’ll let JR discuss how well Jews fall into the North European group phenotypically).

Once again, JJR makes a comment that not only has no factual basis, but is repeating something that ALREADY HAD BEEN REFUTED ON THIS BLOG PREVIOUSLY.

GW, it is difficult to express my consternation with respect to your tolerance of this.  I am, frankly, disgusted.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 19, 2006, 07:16 AM | #

“Once again, JJR makes a comment that not only has no factual basis, but is repeating something that ALREADY HAD BEEN REFUTED ON THIS BLOG PREVIOUSLY.”

JW, we call this “arguing in bad faith”. The question is - why would the interlocutor want to argue in bad faith? That is to say, why would they wish to deceive the readership? What could be motivating such behaviour, and does it have serious implications for the raison d’etre of MR?

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 08:44 AM | #

“...for the raison d’etre of MR?”

Steve, that is the problem.  What *is* the purpose of this site?  To engage in serious discussion of issues relating to the survival of the West, or as a sandbox in which you know who can play in and “throw grenades” at the rest of us?

If it is the former, and if it is decided by the powers that be here that having at least one aracial conservative blogger makes strategic sense, then we can ask that at least that this blogger be someone capable of making arguments, maintaining the continiuity of the blog, creating interesting and mature posts, and creating the impetus for serious discussion.

As it is, that is not happening.

If the aracial conservative position has any merit, *surely* someone can be found to represent it who has a triple-digit IQ and an adult mentality.

Why a blog named “Majority Rights” should promote anti-majoritarian views is a separate question.

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 09:01 AM | #

As long as John Ray continues to spew his nonsense about the Northern European racial character of the Ashkenazim, I will continue to copy and paste the links below (Seldin et al, study added).

Where is the quantitative evidence (*not*: “I saw a blue-eyed Ashekazi Jews while on the way to the beach yesterday”) that the Ashkenazim are “pretty much Northern European?”

Let’s end this here, on this thread.  If there is data to support that idea, where is it?

The actual quantitative data are summarized here:
http://www.bloodjournal.org/cgi/content/full/90/7/2654/F4

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/01/matrilineal-ancestry-of-ashkenazi-jews.html

http://www.sdss.jhu.edu/~ethan/jFAQ.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9326232&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14740294&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10801975&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://genetics.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143.eor

http://www.ancestrybydna.com

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 19, 2006, 09:50 AM | #

AL Ross-Iloved your phraseology again, but “stirring shit"is more abt.LOL

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 19, 2006, 10:26 AM | #

GW- I have noticed of late,that some posters wish to make MR an exclusive club of like-minded pin-heads.I may be crude,comparatively innarticulate,don’t type worth a shit,but partner,I’ve been there done that-and my Mensa ID is #164 -Ayn Rand chapter/NYC/1964. Most of the pin-heads weren’t even born then,nor know who Ayn Rand is-a few of us are just average people who enjoy commentary with those of different locales,but common princibles.You,Fred S,Svy,Al R.,Bowery,Matra,Soren,Richards,and the rest make for the best blog forum on the web.Don’t let petty ego hissy-fits detract from an otherwise ideal posting place.BTW-JJR STAYS!!!

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 02:57 PM | #

Gee, Nick, with your Mensa-level IQ and all (which you mention in every second comment), can you explain to us less intelligent Volk why it is wrong to demand evidence for outlandish comments?

After all, if I kept on repeating that Nigerians were racially akin to Northeast Asians, don’t you think I would need to actually present, you know, some data to support that assertion?

Or does the mightly god JJR get a free pass here, for some reason that remains inexplicable to the dimwitted pinheads among us?

By the way, I know who Ayn “Rand” is, and I don’t see where an aracial libertarian (for gentiles) Jewess should be someone we should look up to in any fashion….

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 19, 2006, 03:49 PM | #

Yeah, I concur that Rosenbaum is just another jewish well-poisoner, nothing worth a second glance.

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 19, 2006, 04:06 PM | #

On Holliday,or whatever the fuckyour REAL name is;come out from the bushes,so I can get a clean shot at you-don’t like to leave wounded children behind.Supercillious little shitheads should be put down with dispatch.Your invective at others under a psydonoym,reeks of cowardice,and failure to respond to salient questions makes one wonder-How about a BIO-I’ll show you mine,if you show yours.I suspect you are at most a grad student at a shithole university ,who has never held a real job,hoping to replace Ward .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) you a fake indian also?

Posted by Guessedworker on August 19, 2006, 04:43 PM | #

Nick,

JW is NOT a graduate but a geneticist of long experience.

It can’t be unreasonable to ask John to back-up his statements, where appropriate.  It is unreasonable to repeat disproven statements, having refused to defend them in the first place.  And that’s what underpins a lot of the anger here with John.

Since his deconstruction of leftist methodologies is famously forensic, I can only conclude that he is fully aware of this rather glaring shortcoming in his own.  Perhaps his pleasure in stirring the pot is so great it just doesn’t matter to him.  I really don’t know.  But yesterday another highly valued MR contributor, the third, resigned over my long-standing support for John, and it is all too plain that the situation cannot continue in this vein.

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 04:49 PM | #

Nick,

Are you capable of writing a comment that does not include vulgarity?

And, does your computer have a spellcheck function?

“...don’t like to leave wounded children behind”

Did you kill any wounded Palestinian children during your time with the IDF?

Getting to the real point: why is JJR immune from criticism, and why are individuals critical of JJR deemed to be “pinheads?”

Can you answer this: “After all, if I kept on repeating that Nigerians were racially akin to Northeast Asians, don’t you think I would need to actually present, you know, some data to support that assertion?”

Instead of your curses, “Rambo”-style threats, citations of your MENSA membership, etc. just answer that one question- do you or do you not believe that JJR should provide evidence for his assertions?

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 04:55 PM | #

No, GW, Nick is correct here:
“I suspect you are at most a grad student at a shithole university”

I took JJR’s statistics course; therefore, Nick’s characterization of the university is right on the money.  In that course, we learned that a “n” of one is sufficient to make conclusions about any population.

Posted by James Bowery on August 19, 2006, 04:58 PM | #

I don’t have the cite but a study was done testing the effect on IQ tests of various composers.  Mozart raised IQ and the composer that most lowered IQ was Philip Glass.

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 05:35 PM | #

“Mozart raised IQ and the composer that most lowered IQ was Philip Glass. “

How come I am not surprised by that?

Extended phenotype, anyone?

Posted by On Holliday on August 19, 2006, 05:48 PM | #

James:
Mozart vs. Glass, conflicting evidence:
http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/mozarteffect.shtml
http://debraray.net/mozart_effect.html
http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/lerch1/edpsy/mozart_effect.html
http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/1,13005,901060116-1147107,00.html
http://otel.uis.edu/yoder/301mozout.htm

Glass’ “Northern European” characteristics (sic) here:
http://www.philipglass.com/

Posted by karlmagnus on August 19, 2006, 09:09 PM | #

GW, don’t ban JJR; the intellectual life in Brisbane is presumably so limited that he needs all the outlets he can get.  Equally, watching JJR bait the more Aryan-minded of MR’s contributors is not particularly intellectually uplifting either. 

I would suggest that Jewish prominence among great composers is more than proportional to their share in the European population. Mendelsohn was not only Jewish and at least a First XV composer, but also the son of a merchant banker, and therefore a certified Good Guy.

JJR, I am at least as involved in enjoying classical music as you and JJR (and have posted here on the great Croatian opera Nikola Subic Zrinksi)  I also have a musical progeny in the Young Master, as well as a musical ancestor (great-uncle) in Reginald Foort, the Father of the British Cinema Organ.  Personally I would include Foort and Gershwin in the canon and reject Janacek and Glass, but to each his own.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 20, 2006, 01:34 AM | #

“GW- I have noticed of late,that some posters wish to make MR an exclusive club of like-minded pin-heads.”

I’ll plead guilty on one count - I do not believe people should be allowed to get away with serial mendacity. To the extent that people should be “like-minded” around here, I think they should strive for honesty.

I cannot count the number of times JJR has subverted that ideal, so, noting GW’s sorrow at losing yet another blogger (who is that, by the way?), I’ll sit back and enjoy the train-wreckage from afar.

Posted by June Gordon on August 20, 2006, 02:40 AM | #

An amusing thread.  The increasingly brutal abuse of JJR on his own blog is always worth a chuckle or two.  But, it was probably diaper wearing Nick Tamiroff’s macho posturing toward On Holiday that really cracked me up.  I’m sure other observers are, shall we say, admiring, you guys, um, ‘superiority,’ too.

Guessedworker apparently believes he has extrasensory perception.  How does he know that the black mother didn’t leave a concert early because she had a long drive home, or for some other ordinary reason?  Actually, elite musical schools tend to have a rather high proportion of students of color.  And, let’s not forget that modern classical music—jazz—was developed by African-Americans.  It is where one looks for complexity in modern composition.

Of course, the truth of the matter is that European classical music has largely become an artifact.  Even those of us who attend the symphony listen to other kinds of music most of the time.  Only a pretender would claim otherwise.

Posted by Al Ross on August 20, 2006, 04:03 AM | #

Those concerned about the opinions of this Gordon personage might note that, like most of her tribe, she,in her ungrammatical ‘superiority’ jibe, imputes the ‘worst’ behavioural aspect ( Nick’s belligerence) of one of our group to all of us.

Standard operating procedure for that passel of Israeli rogues.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 20, 2006, 05:24 AM | #

June baby, one of the delights of a half-decent IQ and an English middle class upbringing is that we don’t have to go around with our emotional dramas written all over our face.  The African face is especially well-constructed for transparency, don’t you think?  And the IQ level is so rarely sufficient - and the appetite for reserve too lacking - to foster even the faintest suspicion that proper self-control has social advantages.

Speaking of transparency, why don’t you inform us of your ethnic roots so that the controversy about these which rages among us can at last be brought to an end?

Speaking of rage, what are your motivations in posting here and elsewhere?  I find liberalism among Europeans to be rooted in self-hatred.  The rest use it to advance their ethnic interests.

Speaking of interests, I possess a library of serious music which, by any standards, is very large, and have no need to listen to lightweight modern garbage.

There is not much in the way of composers from the second half of the 20th century in it - no Glass or Janacek - but some Lutoslawski and the now somewhat overdone Gorecki.  Hebreically, it includes Mendelssohn, of course, but also Rubinstein (Anton), Moscheles and Loewe.  The lightest it gets is Piazolla.

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 20, 2006, 07:33 AM | #

O.K.,all,I have been duly taken to the woodshed-even prompted June G. to post . Apoligies to all offended-maybe less Scotch when commenting is called for.But,I make no apologies for who I am-a 67 yr-old former combat Marine who has “been there-done that"thruout the world. I sometimes regret my wording,but not the underlying message. So be it,and,again,apologies as deemed necessary.

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 20, 2006, 11:43 AM | #

No - if you want to offend me, you’ll have to try much harder.

Posted by UK POP on August 20, 2006, 11:51 AM | #

GW- I take it you missed Bjork’s performance at the Oscars a few years ago. You may have seen her at the Olympics opening ceremony:

“August 16, 2004 12:29 PM

...here in Quicktime (56k, 200k), and the audio in MP3 (192k, 5.5MB). This is the BBC broadcast. I heard somewhere that NBC talked over the performance.”

But at http://www.bjork.com/ you’ll find her recent selection for a Rough Trade retrospective - 30 years of modern garbage. I’m pre-ordering it for our local public library.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 20, 2006, 01:24 PM | #

But, it was probably diaper wearing Nick Tamiroff’s macho posturing toward On Holiday that really cracked me up.

Was…was that ageism?  Was…was that a crack on the disabled?  My, my, my.

Posted by Alex Zeka on August 21, 2006, 06:06 AM | #

I troll, you troll, he trolls, in fact he trolls one hell of alot, we troll, you troll, they troll all the time.