Architect of BNP found dead at home

Posted by Stuka on July 20, 2005, 12:43 AM | #

R.I.P. This, from the BNP website:

While having no regard for Establishment newspapers, John Tyndall read the Daily Mail every day. Yesterday he would have read in it an article containing dire warnings from young British-born Pakistanis in Leeds that the 7/7 Massacre was a step on the road to civil war in Britain. The author concluded that “in Leeds – as, we must suppose, in many other cauldron towns and cities – the great multi-cultural experiment appears to be failing disastrously.” The author of this claimed that “no one could have envisaged” this turn of events…That is a grotesque lie, for John Tyndall was among those who did, and spent a lifetime trying to warn his fellow Britons of the approaching danger.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=402

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 20, 2005, 12:48 AM | #

“has been found dead at his home”?  Slightly unusual way to put it though you do sometimes see it worded that way when the individual died suddenly and unexpectedly of a heart attack or something while home alone ... Or are they implying he may have committed suicide because of the pending “race hate charges”?

Posted by Andrew L on July 20, 2005, 02:01 AM | #

R I P JOhn T, but Phil has the job of filling his shoes, or GW .Who will take the task of Testing the Race hate law,s, a few Moslems I would have thought, but?, I wonder if Spearhead on line will stay up and running?. The article some years ago, “Cultural Aids is Killing the West”,should make the headlines again.

Posted by The Searchlight on July 20, 2005, 06:09 AM | #

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp/uncovered/images/JohnTyndall02.gif

Posted by Guessedworker on July 20, 2005, 07:12 AM | #

That photo - linked, I see, to the “officially” respected but entirely Jewish-motivated, leftist Searchlight organisation - is a slap on the wrist that all those who lionise John Tyndall should accept in good grace.  The poster should accept, in return, that former communists in New Labour are of the same ilk.  Communism killed 50 million, after all.  Perhaps our mystery man of the left would return and comment on that.

John Tyndall was an extremist - but not a “hater”.  He was motivated by love, which was also the motivation of the German National Socialists whom he aped during his early political life.  However, the adoption of neo-Nazism by post-war Britons was contemptuous and stupid - scarcely more fitting than an attempt to adopt, say, Zionism or, slightly less obnoxiously but no more realistically, Wicca.

Nazism is not a living ideology but a historical artifact, a dead thing warmed up by the Searchlight creeps, as we see, for service in their own ethnic genetic interest.  Let them answer for their racism against my English people before they accuse another of the same sin against the world (that’s Christianity guys, in case you’ve never read the New Testament).

Really, the issue with Tyndall is whether or not, or to what degree, he had developed his position from those happy Swastika days - as in his own way did, say, the former communist Alan Milburn.  Or Peter Mandelson.  Or Peter Hain.  Et al.  Et al.

By my understanding Tyndall was always a leftist.  He cleaved to the “socialist” in National Socialist, which John Ray has shown has everything in common with the deep thinkers of Searchlight and nothing with us.  Tyndall even tried at one stage to set up a political party called the National Labour Party, but the Labour Party took legal action to stop him using its name.

I don’t think we should lionise John Tyndall.  I do think we should recognise that he loved the British people, and that is a right and proper emotion for all of us.  Love, however, implies a natural preference and the liberal establishment cannot abide such particularism in us ... a unique contempt it holds for no other race on the surface of the Earth.  The liberal establishment is an evil.

Tyndall did not deserve to be hounded to his grave by it.  The Searchlight boys and girls applaud that because hate is theirs.  But if we can allow Searchlight fanatics to flourish like weeds in our society so, too, we can find room for the John Tyndalls.

It’s called tolerance.

Posted by Geoff Beck on July 20, 2005, 08:49 AM | #

Searchlight, Quirky, Silverbush, ... our foe is watching.

I’m sure, most, participating in the MR experience have parents or grandparents that fought against the Nazi regime.

I suspect that Tyndall (though I know very little about him) reacted in a very poor way to the crushing dominance of the cultural Left in the 50s and 60s by donning the symbols of the Nazis, a stupid mistake.

If the photo is meant to embarrass the views expressed here it utterly failed.

Posted by Geoff Beck on July 20, 2005, 09:01 AM | #

Does this photo embarrass Searchlight?

Posted by Stuka on July 20, 2005, 09:02 AM | #

...do think we should recognise that he loved the British people, and that is a right and proper emotion for all of us. 

Well said, GW. Beautiful.

If the photo is meant to embarrass the views expressed here it utterly failed.

Agreed. The Left still believes that white men are somehow supposed to be embarrassed, cowed, intimidated, by Nazi images. But, it doesn’t work. I mean, who cares, really? As GW writes, it’s an historical artifact, a “dead thing.”

In any event, we shouldn’t let the anti-White Left define the terms of the conflict.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 20, 2005, 09:32 AM | #

The Nazi Party supported and carried out genocide and the Left, including many Jews and Jewish organizations often acting explicitly as Jews, not just as generic liberals or leftists, today also support genocide and, wherever they can—as with the 1965 Kennedy-Celler Immigration Holocaust Bill and their fanatical support of every race-replacement law, rule, policy, and scheme since then —are doing their best to carry it out (and are steadily succeeding, little-by-little—California and Texas have been successfully race-replaced exactly according to plan; in the pages of this blog we’ve seen how one million Dutchmen of Holland’s population of twenty million have been driven out and replaced with one million Moroccans, and the race-replacement process is continuing full-speed ahead everywhere in the West, as fast as the race-replacers can make it go, and no criticism of it is allowed—that’s hate speech, don’t you know!).  No Leftist and no Jew or Jewish organization has any right to criticize the Nazi Party as long as it supports today’s version of genocide:  forced race-replacement “immigration” with absolutely no criticism of it permitted.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 20, 2005, 09:43 AM | #

What’s changed since the Nazis isn’t that we frown on genocide.  It’s that we’ve learned to carry out genocide stealthily—it’s called race-replacement “immigration” nowadays.  Your racial/ethnic enemy winds up just as dead, once all the dust has settled.  It goes a little slower than the Nazi version, so takes a little longer, but no problem if you’re careful to keep it going politically, keep silencing the opposition to it, and so on—it’ll get the job done, all right.  Just think:  you’ll be rid of your racial/ethnic enemies once and for all!  And the best thing is, everyone nowadays approves of it!  Not only won’t you be condemned as a monster for supporting it, but you’ll be praised as a great humanitarian!  It’s a win-win situation!

Posted by AD on July 20, 2005, 01:09 PM | #

The real searchlight magazine is at http://www.searchlight.org.uk/

Posted by friedrich braun on July 20, 2005, 03:43 PM | #

“He cleaved to the “socialist” in National Socialist, which John Ray has shown has everything in common with the deep thinkers of Searchlight and nothing with us.”

Of course the Führer’s völkisch, organic, racialist, cummunitarian socialism has little in common with the international, judaic variety espoused by the jews at Searchlight.

As to the picture, posting such boogaboo photographs will only work if Whites scurry off at the sight of them while furiously apologizing to all and sundry. The proper reaction should be: yeah? and what of it? The jew has no come back to such indifference; and if he accuses you of the ultimate crime, i.e. “racism”...again, the proper response should be: yes, I’m racist and you’re a White-hating dirtbag who wants to destroy me, my family, and my people. The poison is drawn and the jew has no more weapons in his arsenal. You’ve disarmed him.

Posted by Mark Richardson on July 20, 2005, 05:44 PM | #

The photo does remind us, though, of the political limitations of some of the early “white nationalist” activists.

Here in Australia we had skinheads with swastikas for quite a number of years (as portrayed in the Melbourne film Romper Stomper with Russell Crowe), and a couple of little groups which used to dress up in uniforms and commit acts of violence against each other.

(A former leader of one of these groups was in the news last week - he has converted to Islam and is now a leader of radical Islam in Melbourne.)

No wonder that resistance to the multicult never took off.

I hope we can build up a political movement which is more stable and sophisticated in its politics (as the BNP seems to be trying to do).

Posted by Mark Richardson on July 20, 2005, 05:58 PM | #

BTW, there’s an interesting article at the Searchlight site called “The Way Forward”. It’s written by someone called Steve Silver (silverhand from an earlier thread?). In the article it is admitted that British workers are likely to be put out of a job by lower paid workers on contracts coming in from eastern Europe. The Searchlight people don’t want to stop this happening - they just want to limit the political fallout.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 20, 2005, 06:20 PM | #

Friedrich,

Are you not a connoisseur of subtlety?  I find it more condign and productive of my own freedom if I don’t actually spit in my opponent’s face.  If you want to know why Hitler’s volkischly socialist Germans deserved their defeat it’s because from a position of power they dispensed arrogance ... spital by the bucket-load.

Posted by stari_momak on July 20, 2005, 07:57 PM | #

Surely the various nations of Europe can decide on the amount of ‘socialism’ they wish. Example, the Danish, I have read, are proud of their ‘folkhem’, the folk community that they have created that offers a lot of social services. It also features a lot of planning (i.e. town planning). Probably more intervention than the ‘Anglo-Saxons’ would allow, but it works for the Danes—at least as long as it is overwhelming Danes that receive the benefits. One of the chief objections that the Danish Peoples party has made to immigration is that it is straining their social system—the state expression of the folkhem—to the breaking point.

On the other hand, the big immigration restriction advocates in Austria and the Netherlands take a libertarian view when it comes to economics.

To make two points succintly—it doesn’t follow that being both nationalist (in the sense of preserving one’s country for oneself) and and social democrat makes one a Nazi. Moreover, immigration (race?)  realism seems to be uncorrelated with any left right dimension on economic policy.

I think most here would agree that the immigration issue is more important.

Posted by john rackell on July 20, 2005, 08:48 PM | #

Stari_momak, I agree with you but I also think of countries like Austria and Jorg Haider which have tried to buck the trend of multiculturalism and self-immolation and get throttled by other countries, here EU ones, by economic boycotts and diplomatic isolation.

The state of Arizona also comes to mind when Gov. Meacham canned the state holiday for Martin Luther King in 1986(?). It was reinstated by state referendum. The pro-MLK camp put pressure on Arizonans by forcing organizations to boycott Arizona’s convention business. I dare say the drive to reinstate the MLK holiday was promoted by the business community:“It’s about the jobs.”

These examples and other considerations show that a degree of autarky (self-sufficiency) is vital to any viable approach to preserving the European peoples. If the BNP were elected for instance, international capital would boycott the UK, London’s role as an international banking center (about Britain’s only industry besides oil) would be in jeopardy. If all politics is “it’s the economy” then a great deal of pressure can be exerted over a country’s domestic policies.

A degree of autarky is vital for any sustained return of our lands to us. And every capitalist who finds out he can’t run his fish and chip shop without importing cheap Pakistani or Chinese coolie labor will scream bloody murder about the evils of socialism. Let them scream and remind ourselves that Autarkism isn’t the same as socialism though it will entail some curtailing of an individual’s right to sell out his fellow countrymen.

The BNP believes in Autarky.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 20, 2005, 09:26 PM | #

“an individual’s right to sell out his fellow countrymen.”  (—John Rackell)

... a right the following extremely unpleasant individual, recalled (no pun intended) by

, believed he possessed, forty years ago:
______

“My first thought: where had I seen that head before? Then I remembered: Kuato from Paul Verhoeven’s

. One difference: Kuato came by his dissipation honestly—he lived inside some other guy’s torso.”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 20, 2005, 09:36 PM | #

Sorry, this should work (see my comment, just above):  recalled by The Ambler

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 20, 2005, 09:40 PM | #

Nope, still doesn’t get you there.  I can’t tell what’s wrong but try this: 

http://www.theambler.com/jul1-15_05.htm#teddykennedy’smontsroushead

(it’s worth it, those who’ve seen the movie ...)

If that doesn’t work, just go to

and scroll down ...

Posted by friedrich braun on July 21, 2005, 07:01 AM | #

“Are you not a connoisseur of subtlety?  I find it more condign and productive of my own freedom if I don’t actually spit in my opponent’s face.”

Don’t patronize me. I’ll choose the style and content of my posts, and not some German hating fanatic. I’d rather leave than get censored by a smug Brit.

“If you want to know why Hitler’s volkischly socialist Germans deserved their defeat it’s because from a position of power they dispensed arrogance ... spital by the bucket-load.”

Funny bullshit. Only a Brit or Jew can lie about Germany with such impudent panache. There was never anyone more “arrogant” than the so-called British “war-party” between the First and Second World Wars and vocal elements of British Foreign Office who’s number one obsession was the annihilation of Germany.

I think that the following articles nicely illustrates the congenital hatred and envy of Germans and Germany by a substantial element of the British establishment:

Hundred Years of War against Germany
http://vho.org/tr/2003/4/Werner373-385.html

Dealing in Hate: The development of anti-German propaganda
http://www.ihr.org/books/connors/dealinginhate.html

We Germans know what they are and what their rule means!

It was the Anglo world that declared War on Germany!

It was the Anglo world that saved Bolshevism from its final destruction and helped it spread over Asia and the rest of the world!

It was the Anglo world that established that “shitty little country”, that Zionist entity, which has become a threat to all mankind!

It was the Anglo world that handed entire Eastern Europe to the Bolshevik butchers!

The British hatred of everything German until this very day was revealed recently, when the German Josef Ratzinger was elected a Pope!

Brits like GW will always hate Germany. To expect anything else from them would be foolish!

To our old battle-cry (originally from Martin Luther) “Die Juden sind unser unglück!” you can add “Gott strafe England!” and “Ami Verrecke!”

But while you evidently gloat on how Germany “deserved” to lose, enjoy being racially replaced by dusky Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, Niggers of all size and stripes, etc., etc., etc. This rotten, filthy world of “diversity” and “multiculturalism” would not have been possible without the Anglo-Jewish alliance. Maybe the overpopulation of Britain and Yankeeland with Mestizos, Pakis and other non-Whites is nature’s way of healing its wounds. Once the Anglo-Yankee-Judaens have been replaced by hostile Third Worlders that continue to flood into their lands, maybe then the constant threat coming from them will finally be eliminated in Europe? I pray that’s the case.

If over night all Jews were to disappear, I doubt the Jewish Problem would be solved. Because the Judaic spirit still lives on in the Anglo-Yankee world. GW’s attitude and crazed hatred of Germany is akin to the little boy who cut off his ears to spite his parents.

Posted by Delmore Macnamara on July 21, 2005, 08:18 AM | #

They don’t like it up ‘em.

Posted by Mark Richardson on July 21, 2005, 08:28 AM | #

Friedrich, I don’t know how you expect to win people over when you lash out so angrily.

GW was right in his original post. When you use the word Jew it’s as if you were spitting it out. I don’t see how this sets the right tone for this site.

And then you get so defensive that you launch into the bitterest of attacks on the entire Anglo world.

Again, how is this supposed to appeal to the majority of readers of this site who no doubt belong to the very Anglo world you so strongly condemn?

Posted by dlg on July 21, 2005, 09:03 AM | #

Will anyone dare to see that the “psychotic hatred” of Germany which the nazi projects onto GW is akin the supposed hatred of whites which most of the posters here, including GW, attribute to Jews?

Posted by dlg on July 21, 2005, 09:04 AM | #

“akin to”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 21, 2005, 09:50 AM | #

dlg can you point to Jewish organizations in the diaspora or individual public Jews in the diaspora who agree with the view you’ve doubtless seen expressed by commenters at this site, that communities and nation-states have the right to preserve themselves racially intact—have the right to seek to avoid their own racial transformation into some other race, especially into one that’s drastically different—through reasonable and humane means such as national-origins criteria for immigration?  Are there Jewish organizations who deny the charge that national-origins criteria for immigration necessarily mean a country is run by Nazis?  Can you point to a Jewish organization or a prominent public Jew( * ) who explicitly disagrees with the sort of open-borders policy favored by Bush and others in the West that is currently sending non-whites pouring into traditionally white populations in Europe, North America, and elsewhere and literally changing those populations racially?

( *  In another thread someone mentioned Prof. Paul Gottfried, who is Jewish, and blogger and author Lawrence Auster, who is of Jewish background, but can you cite more who take stands like them as regards what I personally refer to as the race-replacement issue?)

Not all Jews favor race-replacement of white-Euro Christians (I believe, incidentally, that all Jewish organizations do favor it if they address it at all—that’s organizations, as opposed to public intellectuals and prominent individuals) but the ones who don’t are such an infinitesimal minority among that ethnic group that observers conclude the Jewish Community by and large wants to see the destruction, the racial destruction, of whites.  Since Jews are white and the majority of them obviously don’t want to see their own destruction, and since Mexican peasants are Christian and the majority of Jews in the U.S. favor immigration policies that will bring about the transformation of the U.S. population to majority-Mexican peasant, one concludes that it’s specifically white Christians (i.e., not all whites or all Christians) the Jews want to see gotten rid of as a majority. 

In a few words, what mistake would observers of the current situation be making who draw something like that conclusion?  I’m all ears, and am willing and eager to see the issue completely differently if anyone can show me the right way to view it.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 21, 2005, 10:09 AM | #

“can you cite public or prominent Jewish individuals”  (—my comment, above)

It wouldn’t even have to be particularly public or particularly prominent—just cite newspaper editors, magazine editors, television producers, college professors, and so on, with Jewish names—they can be complete unknowns.  Look at these two chaps who’ve just been cited in other threads who write for this pro-race-replacement organization, “Searchlight”:  Mr. Silver and Mr. Billig.  Those names, in this context, writing for that particular kind of publication, can be safely assumed to belong to Jewish individuals.  Can you cite individuals with Jewish names like those who take the anti-race-replacement position, the position that it’s not bad to question open borders, that you’re not an evil Nazi if you do it, but possibly doing something perfectly legitimate?  How many Jewish names can you cite?

Also:  What proportion of academics who deny that races exist are Jewish?  I don’t know, myself—that was a rhetorical question.  My impression, though, is it’s huge, and that race-denial originated with Jewish intellectuals and academics and is most strenuously pushed by Jews.  Jews have been pushing precisely that, denial that races exist, for a century now (so, it has nothing to do with modern discoveries in genetic science), and it’s an extremely bizarre thing for any educated person to maintain—especially to maintain so strenuously as some Jewish intellectuals and academics do, almost as a religious tenet.  Are we supposed to not notice this?  How are we to explain it?

Posted by Desmond Jones on July 21, 2005, 01:04 PM | #

Mr. Braun makes a good point though, for those who reside in the old Dominions and that is the folly of unrequited Brit love. Many good men died defending, what too often appears to have been simple bloodimindedness from Westminster.

As a German engineer eloquently outlined to my Father many years ago, we Anglo-Saxons have to stick together.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 21, 2005, 03:29 PM | #

Will anyone dare to see that the “psychotic hatred” of Germany which the nazi projects onto GW is akin the supposed hatred of whites which most of the posters here, including GW, attribute to Jews?

That’s just not so, dlg.  Look at America.  Nowhere were Jews more honoured or made more safe than in America - a land that was 90% European yet allowed them to live outwardly as individuals and inwardly as Jews.  And yet, did organised Jewry in America honour their hosts in return?

The American example is the salient one for people like myself who conclude that the advancement of Jewish ethnic genetic interests is always measured by the degredation of European Man.  America demonstrates that no invitation, no provocation is required.  It seems simply to be a Jewish behaviour.

Even when Jews are accorded protection of the most unique and powerful, psychological kind, as occurred in the post-war years, yet there are Jews who proceed by every means possible to critique and throw down the foundations of our being.  You know all the methodologies involved, and you don’t need me to labour the point by listing them.

I do not want to write these words, you understand.  I take no pleasure in them.  Everyone I know would be content to live in peace in our homeland with Jews amongs us.  The psychosis does not belong to us - read Auster, read Steinlight.

It is a tragedy for Jew and gentile alike that Jews cannot behave with honour towards their hosts.  I would like to finish by writing: The day they learn to do that life will change for them.  But I see absolutely no evidence that they wish for that.  Rather, I think they are content with the present dynamic.

Will you show me how I am wrong in this analysis?

Posted by Guessedworker on July 21, 2005, 03:42 PM | #

I would add, in furtherance of the debate between Friedrich and myself, that he is right - and I was wrong - about National Socialism as a political form quite distinct from other socialisms.  It was a product not of separation from and criticism of society but of a deep connectedness.  It was wrong, for all that.

Posted by jonjayray on July 21, 2005, 08:49 PM | #

LOL
“They don’t like it up ‘em”

A perfect British comment—lost on Friedrich, no doubt—even if they do watch Dad’s Army over there.

Posted by jonjayray on July 21, 2005, 08:55 PM | #

I presume Friedrich is a NDP supporter—which makes him a socialist.  Odd how German nationalism always seems to be associated with socialism.  Even Bismarck was remarkably socialist by the standards of his day.

In 19th century Britain, by contrast, the most fervent British nationalist was a Jewish Conservative—Dizzy

It is true that the Anglo world has been remarkably hospitable to Jewry but I see that as a tribute to their lack of hysteria and general good sense.

Posted by jonjayray on July 21, 2005, 08:58 PM | #

For our friend, the autarkist:

Why not try North Korea?  They are the most autarkist country today. 

Autarky leads to dire poverty.  Even Mussolini’s attempt at autarky about halved the Italian standard of living

Posted by jonjayray on July 21, 2005, 09:06 PM | #

Friedrich’s “poor little Germany” rant is actually one I have some sympathy with.  WW2 Germany was crushed by weight of numbers, nothing else.

But Friedrich’s ignoring of the vast arrogance of the “Herrenvolk” concept and the fact that Hitler did all the invading until almost the end is an ignoring of history which is positively Leftist.

Posted by Geoff Beck on July 21, 2005, 10:42 PM | #

Friedrich Braun, but most likely known as Fred Brown to his mother, is off his rocker. On another thread de posted some photo of Nazis holding a little girl by the hand, and the caption was “Paradise Lost”.

Either he is an agent provacateur, a Nazi Sympathizer, or a nutcase.

Anyway, I hope we’ve heard the last of him. I asked GW to ban him from MR, he adds nothing.

That ridiculous pseudo Germanic stuff is absurd.

BTW, unlike JJR, I’ve been quite interested in revisonism and critical of Jews, but this Brown fellow is a screwball.

Posted by john rackell on July 22, 2005, 12:27 AM | #

Why not try North Korea?  They are the most autarkist country today. 

Mr. Ray, as I’ve heard you say, the Anglo-Saxon does most things in moderation. He will be able to institute a moderate form of autarkism.

Also, I’ve followed your peak oil debunking argument on the use of sugarcane biofuel. It’s worth pointing out that the Brazilians pursued autarkic policies for import substitution purposes, including developing homebased fuel sources. They’ve taken 20 years to get the cane yields and develop a workable system that even you respect. It’s a counterexample to any blanket condemnation of autarky.

I don’t think autarky precludes competition: it’s not the same thing as state control. Japanese mercantilist trade practices of favored access to the home market for local manufacturers is just another form of autarkism and they are very succesful and have, for instance, a competitive auto market. And the Japanese standard of living is very high.

Posted by friedrich braun on July 22, 2005, 03:39 AM | #

“Anyway, I hope we’ve heard the last of him. I asked GW to ban him from MR, he adds nothing.”

There’s no need to ban me, censorious little nerd - I’ve already left. [We’re talking here about the same cowardly, pathetic individual who deleted wintermute’s “the Jews will fight until the last Christian soldier”. Only to later realize the magnitude of his feeble stupidity. LOL]

Posted by dlg on July 22, 2005, 03:39 PM | #

gw,

Our disagreement is so broad it is difficult to talk about. I simply don’t see Jews as dishonoring their hosts. 
Rather the opposite, in fact, to judge from the Jews I know - my father, for example, and his brother, who consider themselves patriotic Americans, have great respect for the white, Christian basis upon which America was founded and still rests, and are grateful to live in a civilized country that does not persecute them.

Of course two examples do not an argument make, but I suspect the attitude I describe is not terribly uncommon among Jews.

I would also like to point you towards the example of all the outstanding Jewish classical musicians and conductors there have been in the last hundred years or so. (I don’t think a list is necessary, as you are a connosieur of this music.) If Jews are so disrespectful of their hosts’ culture, why have they been so adept and devoted to promoting its highest forms?

The Israeli novelist Amos Oz once described his parents’ love of European culture and Europe, which they were forced to flee, as an unrequited love.

These are just a few thoughts on the issue; as I said, it’s difficult to mount an argument about something so broad. I’ll leave you with an article which does a pretty good job of summing up my feelings on the JQ:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 22, 2005, 06:01 PM | #

dlg, the Jews have to stop attacking the pillars on which the health of white-Euro-Christian society rests.  Lots of Jews who do this—who support policies that damage the society around us all—do it not so much, or not at all, as Jews but as liberals and are joined by white-Christian liberals just as wacko.  But too often, way too often, Jews and Jewish groups do it as Jews, not just as liberals, or not at all as liberals.  One thing in particular Jews have to stop is how all of them, liberal and conservative alike, adamantly favor large-volume immigration of non-white people coming into white countries.  (Yes, I know there are exceptions.)  In supporting open borders like that they are supporting genocide, the slow version of what the Nazis did to them.  Is it any wonder some people get mad at them?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 22, 2005, 06:24 PM | #

As for Amos Oz’s Jewish parents, it’s no good for European Jews to say how much they love Europe and European culture if they’re going to oppose (as way too many European Jews do) the adoption of sane immigration policies for the Dutch, the Germans, the British, the French and the other nations over there.  The presence in European countries of Moslems, Negroes, Orientals, and other non-white races and of non-traditional-Euro ethnocultures needs to be reduced.  I know nothing about Oz’s parents but, as anyone with a pair of eyes can see clearly, if they were typical Jews the likelihood they would have opposed efforts at sane European immigration policy is extremely high.  If his parents liked Europe, yet wanted its races changed through excessive incompatible immigration, they couldn’t have liked it very much.

Posted by Arcane on July 22, 2005, 08:50 PM | #

Wow, you guys banned Friedrich Braun and wintermute! Awesome! Maybe I was wrong about you all!

Posted by Geoff Beck on July 22, 2005, 08:54 PM | #

Arcane,

We are still waiting for your refutation of KMac’s CofC?

Posted by jonjayray on July 22, 2005, 09:56 PM | #

Maybe I am wrong but I though Herr Braun and Wintermute just gave up in disgust

The Beckster is more insightful that i am.  I thought Herr Braun really was German but his last post is in very idiomatic English so I now think the Beckster is right

Posted by jonjayray on July 22, 2005, 10:01 PM | #

“a moderate form of autarkism”

A moderate form of self-sufficiency?  That sounds like being a little bit pregnant.

Brazil and Japan aimed for self-sufficiency only in things they were good at.  There is little harm in that. 

But Brits seem best in financial services (Brit factories are a joke unless they are run by Japanese) and you need a world market for that

Posted by Kubilai on July 23, 2005, 12:43 PM | #

Re: Wintermute, I always thought his comments were insightful and decent, though this is from reading them on GNXP and not here.  When I arrived, he essentially had already stopped posting, which is a shame, again I do not know how “braunian” his attitude was on this site.

Braun is too nutty and a Nazi.  Refering to Hitler as the “Furher” is quite a statement, I’d say.  I think Naziphilia is a recipe for our demise and too easy a target for the left to vilify and marginalize our legitimate concerns and rights.  Shit, they label us Nazis WITHOUT the lunatic ramblings of Braun as is.

DLG,

I too know many Jews who are decent people, but as you rightfully state, a few anecdotal examples does not an argument make.  Jews are tribal and well organized.  The Jews, like your father, are guilted into the thinking that everyone is out to get them and in turn donate to and promote orgs that are nefarious, like the ADL, AJC, ACLU, etc.  The Holocaust is a prime sledgehammer used to keep Jews “in line” and not be overly complacent in the society they live in because of the possibility it can “happen again”.  Two of my Jewish coworkers have joked on separate occasions that since I am not Jewish, they hope when “they come after them again”, I will protect them.  This again was in a joking environment, though the mentality is deeply ingrained, wouldn’t you say?  The victimology mentality.  The we need to protect ourselves mentality.  The us against “them” mentality.  So just because there are Jews out there who aren’t as evil as the ADL does not absolve them from the harm they have done to all or nearly all White Christian societies due to some perceived future “holocaust”.  In my opinion, THIS is the crux of the anti-semitic feelings gentiles have towards Jews.  You’ll have people hating Jews simply for being Jews, like Braun, however that is not the norm.

Also, when you have the Mossad’s battle cry of “By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War”, it does not instil an air of trust in gentile’s mind, does it?

Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 01:16 PM | #

Kub

Wintermute
I don’t think Wintermute was banned from MR, his comments grew increasingly irritating and he was something of a monomaniac on Jewish question. But, I don’t think he was banned.

Yes, I deleted one sentence from a comment of his. And yes, in the end, I regret doing so.

Fredrich Braun, a.k.a Fred Brown
I don’t think he was banned either, though I certainly would welcome such an outcome. Most of his comments are infantile and and most distracting, especially that Nazi baggage.

In the end, I don’t think anyone is indispensible, including myself.

Posted by Kubilai on July 23, 2005, 01:50 PM | #

Sorry Geoff, I didn’t mean to imply that Wintermute, or for that matter Braun, was banned.  I only wanted to say that I found my experience with his(Wintermute’s) comments to be decent. 

I think the tolerance that GW exhibits to posters and posting styles is quite commendable.  Much more than any other site I have been to.  I am sure he thinks, and rightfully so, that we need a wide array of ideas and civility to create a decent blog though the focus should be inflexible.

Honesty, decency, civility and truth will attract the fence sitters over time.  Hysterics like “da Fuhrer” has even ME cringing.

Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 03:40 PM | #

> Sorry Geoff

Oh, gosh, no need for that. Best wishes, Geoff.

Posted by JW Holliday on July 23, 2005, 04:08 PM | #

Arcane,

Wow, you guys banned Friedrich Braun and wintermute! Awesome! Maybe I was wrong about you all!

I surely hope not.  In point of fact, what Arcane calls “Awesome” (after all, GNXP is based upon banning and deleting anyone who dares critique South Asian genetic interests) is to me somewhat disturbing.  As an advocate of free speech and open debate, I’m not really comfortable with banning/deleting, except in those specific cases of obnoxious trolls and such.  I really don’t agree with Braun on many things, but still, I see his right to express his views are at least as valid as that of leftists (like Arcane, for example) who comment here.  To have a GNXPer congratulate us for driving away people on the right is something which should give us pause.

As regards Wintermute’s (if it was really he) comment, I see nothing wrong with it.  After all, by saying that Pat Tillman was an extended phenotype of Paul Wolfowitz - that’s not much different.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 23, 2005, 08:31 PM | #

“Two of my Jewish coworkers have joked on separate occasions that since I am not Jewish, they hope when ‘they come after them again,’ I will protect them.”  (—Kub, 4:43 PM)

These Jewish co-workers might consider sending a note of protest to Jewish outfits like the ADL who fight tooth-and-nail to maintain open-borders for this country( * ).  Had the 1965 population of the U.S. not been (deliberately) tampered with, no one till the end of time was going to “come after them again” within these borders.  That someone might in future “come after them again” here is due entirely to the demographic changes that have taken place since then, partly the result of the influence of organized Jewish pressure groups.  These Jewish co-workers might want to have, shall we say, a little e-mail exchange with a few of their more politically-active co-religionists ...  (Hey if they could take care of the Jewish race-replacers and we white Christians could take care of the white-Christians ones, we might make progress ...)
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* (... these outfits wouldn’t dream of advocating open borders for Israel, of course ... That?  NO! ... are you kidding?  Absolutely not!  Don’t even think about it!)

Posted by Kubilai on July 24, 2005, 01:54 PM | #

To have a GNXPer congratulate us for driving away people on the right is something which should give us pause. - JW

I agree with this premise JW, however Braun was not a simple person on the right.  He is a Nazi and Nazi sympathizer.  He left on his own volition on an apparent slight from a “hateful Brit” (GW of all people) and was not forced out. He obviously has agendas that do not conform to a general, acceptable ideology for White interests.  As a matter of fact, I feel comfortable in saying his interests are counter to our interests. 

I have no problem with him speaking his mind, though the “fuhrer” ramblings are a bit much.  I also do not think we need nor want another “fuhrer”.  That would be catastrophic for Europeans.  That would mean more European Christian Whites killing each other and then another long period of leftism to counter the “evil fascists”.  We are having a hard time surviving the first fuhrer, let alone a second coming. 

I sympathize with the plight of the German state and its people, to no end.  THAT is legitimate dialogue and needs to be discussed.  Not Hitler, unless strictly from a historical and interest perspective.  I find Hitler and his history fascinating, though only from the above perspectives and nothing more.

These Jewish co-workers might consider sending a note of protest to Jewish outfits like the ADL who fight tooth-and-nail to maintain open-borders for this country - Fred

That would be nice, Fred, though it is highly improbable.  They cannot connect the dots because they have been indoctrinated to think the way they do.  There will always be a Jew in the midst that pipes up about how “bad they had it”.  It is too ingrained for them to think otherwise.  That thinking, compounded with significant financial success by a large proportion of Jews, constantly feeds the evil anti-White organizations.  They need their “useful idiots” and the everyday Jew is usually a willing accomplice to help the “cause”.  Some cognizant of the detrimental effects and some oblivious.