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AN INTERVIEW WITH THE LEADER OF THE NBF (Roman Golovkin)AN INTERVIEW WITH THE LEADER OF THE NBF (Roman Golovkin) conducted by Constantin von Hoffmeister The NBF or National Bolshevik Front is a social and political movement of right-wing Russian nationalists with the ideology of National Bolshevism, developed by Ernst Niekisch and Nikolay Ustryalov, as the basis for our political activity. In terms of the structure of our organization, the NBF has a network system that unites associates and fighting brothers-in-arms - pure souls, “solar” persons (Sonnenmenschen), true fighters for the cause of National Bolshevism. Our network structure implies that every member of the organization, as well as every fellow sympathizer of ours, contributes to the common cause - the struggle of our organization. This contribution can manifest itself in journalistic activity (either on the internet or in the press), financial support or taking part in legal street meetings and rallies, as well as in public actions of other allied parties. Our people also help organize legal and other aid to political prisoners, found guilty by the current regime of “instigating national dissension” (clause 282 of the Russian Criminal Code). Sympathizers also take part in our activity - by distributing our newspapers and leaflets or promoting our ideology in other ways. Our ideal is not a “party” in the bourgeois-democratic meaning of this word, but an “order of sword-bearers” (a quote by Stalin) whose representatives are present in every strata of society and impose the ideology on the political process in our country. 2. Can you say a few words about your political life and career before the NBF? Me and most of my comrades-in-arms were always consistent with an ideology which can be defined as radical left nationalism or National Bolshevism. Before the NBF, most of us were members of the National Bolshevik Party, led by Edward Limonov. But we left the party when Limonov actually perverted our ideology, turning it into radical left liberalism and brought a lot of left-wing liberal hooligans to the NBP.
3. What is the essence of the ideology of the NBF? As an answer to the question we can provide a quote from the “Declaration of the NBF”: 4. Tell us about your activities. What actions do you perform? It is enough to mention our large-scale campaign for liberating Nazarov and Gerasimov, our comrades, accused of “instigating national dissension” and thrown into prison by the ruling regime. Our campaign turned out to be successful and our comrades were released. We constantly occupy ourselves with propagating our ideas as well as other various street actions. We are also quite active in speaking in political clubs and working with young people. For example, we spoke at the political club of the Moscow University department of Physics and Technology. 5. Were you influenced by the ideology which was developed by the German National Bolshevik movement (1920s-30s), Ernst Niekisch to be precise? I can say that the works of Ernst Niekisch influenced me and my comrades greatly. We consider Niekisch to be one of the founders of National Bolshevism (the way we understand this movement). 6. What is your attitude towards the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany)? I support the NPD as I consider the German National Democrats our future brothers-in-arms for the common future of the White World. 7. Do you think that a Russian-German alliance is possible in the future? Yes, I think it is possible in the nearest future since we have common aims.
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on Thursday, September 6, 2007 at 11:36 AM in Comments:2
Posted by Maguire on September 06, 2007, 04:59 PM | # “Before the NBF, most of us were members of the National Bolshevik Party, led by Edward Limonov.” I knew last week it was scientifically impossible for this line of inquiry to continue long without the Jew Limonov moving towards center stage. “The Russian nation is open for everyone. Being Russian is a religion, not blood or genes only. A person without a nation and without a state is a zero and a swine, not a “paragon of animals.”” I also knew it was scientifically impossible for Stalin’s favorite breeding theory -Lysenkoism - not to follow hot foot behind. “but will also create the Great Aryan Empire from Gibraltar to Vladivostok! Everything will belong to us!” Given being Russian is a religious experience, there’s plenty of room for immigration-based evangelism on the long southern border. Not only will all of Eurasia be ‘Russian’, but National Bolshevism can solve the demographic crisis by importing faith-based ‘Russians’ from Morocco, Guinea-Bissau and Darfur. Clearly the actual population needs to be conformed to the imagery on the Russian Jew Tubes. And that imagery has far more ‘Black Russians’ in one day than one sees on the street all year. ““Russia is everything, the rest is nothing!” This is OK to tell the man sitting next to you on the Moscow Metro, if you must. But declaim it in London or Rome and you will be at war”“ Correct. In western Europe and the USA one declaim ‘Africa is everything, Europe is nothing’. Then you’ll be honored with prime time TV interviews, life peerages in the House of Lords and huge advances for ghost-written books. 3
Posted by a Finn on September 06, 2007, 06:16 PM | # I just came here to tell goodbye to you Guessedworker, Majority Rights and National bolshevism. To others I say this; could you recommend an intelligent English language nationalist discussion pages. 4
Posted by Maguire on September 06, 2007, 06:32 PM | # To A Finn, “I just came here to tell goodbye to you Guessedworker” Please let me know where you land. I’d hate to lose contact. I greatly appreciate your posts. Maguire 5
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2007, 06:41 PM | # Farewell and blessings on thy way, Finn, comrade! 6
Posted by a Finn on September 06, 2007, 07:53 PM | # Thank you very, very much Maguire, Fred Scrooby and numerous others, also those with whom I have debated. In this site there are great number of intelligent and good people. Because of you I hate to leave. But when the site owner starts to regard Stalin, lysenkoist universalism, bolshevism, Kim Il-Sung’s North Korean communism, hateful Russian communist imperialism etc. as a legitimate part of nationalist EGI site’s main posts, it’s time to leave. With all your knowledge Maguire and Fred, what site you would recommend. If you recommend a site, I hope to see you and all others there. All the best to you. 7
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2007, 08:29 PM | # Finn, I can’t recommend another site, because this one is my home. If I were to recommend a site my recommentation would be for you to reconsider, and stay here. Also, the honest truth is that among the sites I visit, this is the best. All participants here have learned from you, comrade. Your departure will be our loss — but we also realize we must respect and understand your feelings, expressed above, more especially knowing, as everyone does, the very painful history of relations between your nation and the Bolsheviks. If you feel you must leave, do it for a limited time only, then reconsider your decision and come back. CvH is young. For all his faults, he has his good side. He’ll certainly shed some of his wrongheadedness and see reason. Maybe we can even hasten the day by responding to him. No one who has come to this site has stayed the same: all have learned, and in most cases learned a great deal. I have; everyone has. That includes the bloggers, and even the one in charge, GW — and CvH, if he sticks around, will be no exception. The thing he has of great value, which you have, GW has, Kai Murros has, but which Roman Golovkin for example, the one being interviewed in this entry, seems to lack along with so many others, is an understanding that, as CvH said the other day, “races make nations, not the other way around as some misguided individuals seem to think.” When you can see that fundamental truth, you’re 90% there. No, 98%. Hell, you’re 100% there! After you’ve seen that, the rest is just details. You’re home. 8
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 06, 2007, 08:43 PM | # In saying “the rest is just details” I in no way intended to diminish the importance of Bolshevism’s faults, which make that political system an absolutely unacceptable horror. I for one abhor Bolshevism and could never ever consider myself even remotely a Bolshevik. No, what I meant was once you have that central understanding which I referred to, the other understandings can gradually mature, as you reject old errors and jettison them from your thinking. In my 30s I rejected many errors from my 20s. Constantin must still go through that second stage. That’s what I meant by “details”: details to be discarded over time. Such is Bolshevism, while that central understanding which I referred to is never discarded of course but, on the contrary, serves as part of the permanent framework on which to build the rest of one’s political understanding. 9
Posted by EC on September 06, 2007, 08:49 PM | # No one who has come to this site has stayed the same: all have learned, and in most cases learned a great deal. Hear, hear! May I be so bold as to make an observation that this Red experiment is heading for the crapper? First JB and now Finn. Maybe limiting the young commie to a post a week would be a good start? I’m sure even that will be viewed as too lenient. 10
Posted by Al Ross on September 06, 2007, 08:55 PM | # Finn, please change your mind. Your posts are invaluable. 11
Posted by Wunderhund on September 06, 2007, 10:07 PM | # I visit MJ regularly and follow the conversations with an occasional comment. CvH entry has changed the tenor and tone of the discussion and the site. The guy is a one-man propaganda machine, a self-important blowhard, but for what exactly I’m not sure. His contributions are somewhat entertaining, which counts for a lot in our entertainment obsessed world. Maybe that’s his appeal. There was one quote by CvH that I read on another site, something about human space exploration as equivalent of whites taking the place of the gods through the promethean task of space exploration. What stuck in my mind, apart from the sense that the author was full of s-o-m-e-t-h-i-n-g, was the end of his essay: a dramatic flourish to the effect: “.....Yuri Garagarin is leading us to the stars, and we must follow!” To which I can only say: “Bon voyage CvH. Enjoy the trip. And don’t forget to send us a postcard.” 12
Posted by Eine frage on September 06, 2007, 10:40 PM | # Is it true that before Stalin died he was in the early stages of planning a mass expulsion of Soviet Jews to Siberia? I’ve heard and read this in a few places but haven’t been able to fully verify it. There were indeed executions of Jews in post-WWII Societ Union (mostly because of their activity as covert capitalists and black market businesspeople), not to mention the “rootless cosmopolitan” campaign (which was explicitly anti-Jewish) and the so called “Doctor’s Plot” (ditto). While certainly not as vicious as Nazi antisemitism, Soviet antisemitism seemed to get worse as Stalin’s anti-Jewish/anti-capitalist paranoia spiraled out of control towards the end of his life and career. There were all kinds of ‘Jewish quotas’ enacted post-WWII in the Soviet Union as well. So…is it true that Stalin planned to expel millions of Soviet Jews to Siberia but died before he had the chance? Remember, because a Soviet citizen’s nationality (or “ethnicity”) was always noted on their ID cards and passports (and “Jewish” was considered a Soviet nationality/ethnicity as noted on ID cards and passports) it would have been relatively easy for Stalin to round up the majority of Societ Jews and push them beyond the Urals. Surely the Societ Union learned SOMETHING from Nazi Germany’s fanaticism as it pertained to the ‘Jewish Question,’ especially since more Jews lived in Soviet territory than in any other place on Earth? 13
Posted by GT on September 06, 2007, 11:21 PM | # “... most of us were members of the National Bolshevik Party, led by Edward Limonov.” Is Limonov a jew? ——- A Finn, Please stay. 14
Posted by 2R on September 07, 2007, 01:05 AM | # “Russia is everything, the rest is nothing”
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Posted by Scimitar on September 07, 2007, 01:12 AM | # @a Finn, I would encourage you to stick around. I’m going to predict that Von’s tenure here at MR will be shorter than that of JJR. I haven’t said much about it because Von does a better job of showcasing his Bolshevik views than I ever could. That poster above with the WPWW cross and Hammer and Sickle really says it all. I found myself thinking: wait until Steve logs on and sees this. It would be premature to leave when Von is self-destructing and embarrassing himself in such a spectacular way. If you must go, feel free to wait out the storm on my blog, or drop me an email from time to time (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)) with your thoughts. I’m more of an Africa nerd, but I am also interested in European issues, which is why I browse MR. As for GW, I know what it is like to be a forum admin and to be criticized on “You’re with stupid” grounds, so I can sympathize with the position he finds himself in. He’s made a decision to knight someone who is giving him a headache. He’s getting grief from both sides. There is an element of losing face and confronting a problematic underling. The ideal solution here would be for Von to step down on his own accord or at the very least refrain from antagonizing the commentariat. I suspect GW is motivated by the imperative to add diversity to MR to liven up the place. The burden falls heavily upon him to keep adding content on a daily basis. It can be a chore. Here is what I would like to see: you elevated to an author here and Steve Edwards writing again on the front page. Also, what happened to JW Holliday? He was back as festering pustle/Jean Depression, but has since disappeared. 16
Posted by Scimitar on September 07, 2007, 01:54 AM | #
There seems to be two forms of ethnonationalism, now that I think about it. I have been writing about this lately on my blog. On the one hand, you have ‘nationalism’ in the sense of ‘nationalism’ being patriotism; my people matter more to me than others, I admit to being a little biased, but I don’t hate foreigners, wish them well, and have much to learn from others. It is broadminded, gentle, harmless, positive orienated in the best sense - even egalitarian, within the in-group. I would put you in this category. OTOH, you have the guttersnipe, pushy, negative, chauvinistic, anti-intellectual “with us or against us,” pitchfork anti-foreigner, “authentic,” aggressive, smallminded yokel, chest beating, bigoted version which is utterly noxious, repulsive to most whites with an IQ over 110. This is the version of nationalism that sends our elites screaming, running for the hills into extreme liberalism, anti-racism, and anti-parochialism. The best example of this on the internet would be the Stirpes forum. It is synonymous with fascism and related ideologies. You will usually find that the focal point of it is some Duce-like, “Big Man” demagogue figure and that it devolves into aggressive warfare and/or genocide against out-groups. Think here of Rwanda; the Hutus chimping out and slaughtering Tutsis with machetes, or to draw an example closer to home, the Irish terrorists who would kill civilians with their bombs. You face a thorny problem in that for many people the latter is now associated with the former. The extreme version which wrecked Europe from 1914-1945 has brought down with it all of racialism and nationalism into disrepute. How do we delink the two? 17
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 02:35 AM | # “I knew last week it was scientifically impossible for this line of inquiry to continue long without the Jew Limonov moving towards center stage.” Edward Limonov is not a Jew. Constantin 18
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 02:45 AM | # THE NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK FRONT: A Declaration by Constantin von Hoffmeister
http://russia3.ru/zayavlenie_nbf?PHPSESSID=32be4bc8998dc7949d31c8dd2 c02e72c The declaration states that the NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK FRONT is a legitimate organization in the tradition of Russian and European National Bolshevik theory (imperial, socialist, anti-Fascist). The declaration welcomes the decision to dissolve the degenerate NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK PARTY (NBP) of Edward Limonov and to sack this traitor as leader of the party. The NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK PARTY under Limonov betrays national interests, is in bed with oligarchs and liberalist. The NBF accepts the Eurasian program of the the MOVEMENT EURASIA. Because of Limonov, National Bolshevism in Russia is associated with anti-state anarchism that supports the interests of the US, oligarchs and “anti-Russian pigs.” The NBF, on the other hand, demands a return to the true ideals of National Bolshevism (in the spirit of Ernst Niekisch and the Russian thinkers of Eurasianism). 30 regional units of the NBP have decided to dissolve the NBP and to found the NBF. Limonov is supported by the oligarch Soros and works together with Kasparov. Limonov follows a pro-American atlantist line with the goal to trigger an Orange Revolution in Russia. This kind of treason cannot be tolerated. Therefore, ideological National Bolsheviks cannot be members of the NBP anymore. Together with the youth organization of the MOVEMENT EURASIA, the NBF has as its goal the establishment of “Russia 3” and the foundation of the Eurasian Empire which reaches from Dublin to Vladivostok. 19
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 02:56 AM | # “Death to the Orange Reptile!”: http://www.schwarz-front.ru/smert300606.htm The Nazis wanted to conquer Russia and AmeriKa wants to conquer Russia (albeit in a more subtle and less aggressive way than the Nazis). Both Nazi Germany and AmeriKa wanted/want to exploit Russia for the sole benefit of the capitalist scum that is running globalist politics behind the scenes. In this sense, AmeriKa is the legitimate neo-colonial sucessor of the colonialist aggressor that Nazi Germany was. This is why the Swastika is orange: It signifies the return of the imperialist beast from the West. Only the appearance of the beast has changed but the megalomaniacal nature of it is always the same, whether it calls itself Napoleon, Hitler or Bush. Eurasia has no bigger threat than the beast from the West. Constantin 20
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 03:05 AM | # The National Bolshevik Front is more than a protest movement as it is directly linked to the MOVEMENT EURASIA. The latter organization has close ties to the Kremlin and various Russian politicians. Even Putin is directly influenced by the ideas that this movement espouses. In this sense, National Bolshevism is alive, well and a major influence in the process of waking up the Russian ethnos. One of the basic tenets of National Bolshevism is anti-Fascism. This is why Nazism and National Bolshevism do not mix. After all, National Bolshevism is a pro-European ideology while Nazism was not. Also, National Bolshevism is not Communism as some people like to think. It is something new, something modern, something that values nations and peoples and races. In its essence, Russian National Bolshevism is concerned with empire-building. The economical platform of Russian National Bolshevism can best be compared to the Strasserite model. As Alexander Dugin says, “The eurasist approach to the economy can be expressed as a simplified scheme in this way: state regulation of the strategic branches (military-industrial complex, natural monopolies and similar) and maximal economic freedom for medium and small business.” Constantin 21
Posted by Rollory on September 07, 2007, 03:06 AM | # There is nothing legitimate about Bolshevism. It is stupid and evil and self-defeating and is all of the worst traits of the far left without even the pretense of self-delusion for idealism. Anyone and anything that associates with it or advocates it or freely chooses to apply that label to themselves is a fool or a criminal. Any talk of empire also is an assault on the existence of nations. What is needed, particularly in Europe, is not more supra-national and imperial structures but far far less, far more local autonomy. If that pisses off the Russian sense of entitlement, tough. This is easily one of the most foolish things I’ve seen anywhere in a long time. And I read DailyKos, so it’s not an easy standard to meet. 22
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 03:12 AM | # LIMONOV THE VAMPIRE by Constantin von Hoffmeister
as an antidote, he takes poison Limonov is not interested in politics but merely in writing his biography, a sleazy account of his own eccentric life. The members of the NPB are therefore nothing more than extras in Limonov’s great egomaniacal scheme. Dugin claimed that Limonov seems so young because he metaphorically hides his leathery facade behind a lotion that is composed of the energy of the young people he attracts and exploits. Limonov eats his young followers like an old vampire drinks the blood of babies. When I personally talked to Dugin, he told me that Limonov does not have the slightest clue as to the essence of National Bolshevik ideology. While Dugin originally founded the NBP and recruited Limonov as a figurehead that would be able to attract young people because of his popularity as a writer, Dugin eventually left the Party because he became disgusted by the fact that it had degenerated into a personality cult. In the interview for www.kreml.org, Dugin accused the NBP of actively operating on sadistic principles by risking the freedom of young people through making them engage in senseless and reckless activities. What makes the operations of the high cadres of the NBP even more reprehensible is the fact that they are fully aware that most of the young people they recruit are not experienced enough yet to contemplate the results that the actions they engage in might trigger. Dugin claimed that these children are stooges, their main purpose of existence consisting of enhancing the literary career of a tragically aging (both intellectually and physically) writer. Stalin Folk arise! Dugin also said that a “certain glossy magazine” (I suspect that it is the Russian version of the American smutrag MAXIM since I recently saw an article about the NBP in one of its issues) justified the existence of the NBP with “neoliberal arguments.” It is interesting to note that Dugin himself has a column in the Russian edition of the American smutrag ROLLING STONE (not exactly known for its antiliberal stance)! hear the music? 23
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 03:31 AM | # “The ideal solution here would be for Von to step down on his own accord or at the very least refrain from antagonizing the commentariat.” I am not trying to “antagonize” anybody. It is not my fault that some of the commenters are whining like little girls. Constantin 24
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 03:54 AM | # websites of the NBF:
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Posted by Guessedworker on September 07, 2007, 05:17 AM | # Constantin, The “little girls” are “whining”, quite properly, for two reasons. First, substance: you present what, for most of us, is the profoundly undesirable development of Russian Empire, and you do it without anything like sufficient historical, philosophical and geopolitical contextual analysis. Now yes, it should be obvious to all observers of global affairs that Putin’s rising Russia is antithetically opposed to the subtle Empire of the American neoliberal model. It is revealing itself, indeed, as a bulwark against it. But a Eurasian bulwark is not a European shield. In past manifestations it has proven itself insensate to the rights and interests of those Europeans who found themselves behind it. The question for you and for Roman Golovkin, then, is: what kind of existence would satellite nations of a 21st Century bulwark-Empire have? I note that you answer this in passing and only because you are forced to defend yourself. And this leads to the second reason for “whining” ... your style. As I say, the screamingly obvious human right of national autonomy and the strict limits on Russian international leadership which that would impose do not appear in your thinking until you are forced to defend yourself. Up to that point there is far too much of what looks very like the florid and annoying certainty of the student demo. “Hail this” and “Hail that” and untitled, unexplained propaganda pictures of Vladivostock’s sons in uniform might appear to you to be intellectually expansive. But to the rest of the known universe they are the opposite. They belong to the theatre of the grotesque. You lead your readers, Constantin, to the inescapable conclusion that you whore for the power of the state, albeit it a state that is not neoliberal or National Socialist. Now, I am sure this is only a stylistic shortcoming, and you don’t for one moment commend to us that carelessness about human rights and life itself that has been the mark of Empire in every age. Actually, I think you would be one of the first ordered by the New Russian judiciary to walk the long, windowless corridor beneath Lubyanka, with a guard very like the ones in that jpg at your back. To post at MR on the Russian contribution (maybe) to freeing the West is not controversial. Ateney should be explained. Putin’s geopolitics, too. We want to plumb the depths of these waters. We don’t want to feel propagandised. There is a problem here, Constantin, which I strongly urge you to address - a real test of the collegiate feeling which should exist in you as it should among all intellectuals of the radical right. 26
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 07, 2007, 06:29 AM | # I am sorry that I do not have any “collegiate feelings” towards people that continually insult me in the most primitive way. And yes, they do whine like litle girls. Look at the Finn, for example. Like a spoiled child who does not get his way… Also, what makes you think that I “whore for the power of the state”? Do you assume that I believe what Roman Golovkin believes? When and where did I “propagandize”? I think I did quite a bit of explaining in the commentary section here. Constantin 27
Posted by Scimitar on September 07, 2007, 06:34 AM | #
The U.S. has no interest in conquering and settling Russia. What the U.S. was opposed to in that country was Communism which it was bent on exporting abroad. The Soviet Union stirred up all sorts of trouble for us in the Western Hemisphere. That, quite predictibly, elicited American hostility. Before the Communist takeover, the U.S. had cordial relations with Russia for over a century.
Are we exploiting Canada and Japan? We trade with them too. They are first world nations. U.S. foreign policy cannot be compared to that of Nazi Germany. The Nazis wanted to colonize Ukraine like the American Wild West. The U.S. has no territorial ambitions in Russia or Europe. It’s major interests there are trade and security.
That’s absurd. Since when has the United States been a colonial power? We had colonies in Africa and Asia like the British? The U.S. didn’t even participate in the Scramble for Africa the first time around.
The Soviet Union, of course, didn’t have an empire. It wasn’t imperialist. See Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
So, the West is a beast now? The West is a threat to “Eurasia?” The Dutch are coming to conquer you in their wooden shoes. Do you really believe that, Von? You’re afraid of France? :p 28
Posted by Guessedworker on September 07, 2007, 07:44 AM | # Constantin, Why do I keep hearing from you that you do not agree with this position or that, which you have just written about? At the very least, you are creating confusion here. Look, it’s not that we want to know your world view per se, dutifully regurgitated in every piece. That would tend to make the writer the centre of attention, a road we went down once before and one not helpful to our purpose. And it’s not that every world view held here must be the same. There is always room for plurality. Discursive variety, not Mosaic instruction, is the life-blood of learning outside the liberal box. No, the point here is that we have an obligation to the reader to offer him a balanced moral and intellectual analysis by which he can navigate the piece, forming his own judgments as he goes. He deserves to be treated with the utmost seriousness and as an equal and a friend. The rest is up to him. 29
Posted by Maguire on September 07, 2007, 10:42 AM | # Constantin, “LIMONOV THE VAMPIRE” Here - at least - you are beginning to make a little sense. However, it was unnecessary to pollute this thread - or website - with further digressions featuring Limonov. He’s a diseased, drug addled product of Judeo-Communism. After he was expelled from the USSR he naturally gravitated to the cultural cesspool of Judeo-New York and the punk scene of the 1980s. “Eurasia has no bigger threat than the beast from the West.” I have friends busy studying Chinese. With your present thinking you are well advised to join them since you’ll need it before they do. My own estimate of the threats facing ‘Russia’ are: 1. On-going Russian demographic collapse. The full extent of this is still masked by the higher birth rates of Muslims and Central Asiatics within Russia, just as the *white* collapse in the USA is masked by higher mestizo and negro birth rates. The causes of this are three-fold. The first is economic, which economics overall have still not returned to the level of 1988. The second and third reasons are opium trafficking and its twin sister, HIV/AIDS. These plagues strike hardest at the fertile late teens - 30s age groups. 2. Russia has exactly one systemic external strategic threat in the 21st Century. This is China. “The National Bolshevik Front is more than a protest movement” True, it’s also juvenile escapist fantasy. It appeals to young men the same way Alexander the Great’s campaigns have inspired millenia of school boys. And it produces pleasant memories in older Russian men who look back at Stalin’s era the way Limbaughtomized Republicans look back at Reagan, or Norman Rockwell’s America. “MOVEMENT EURASIA. The latter organization has close ties to the Kremlin and various Russian politicians.” And it’s therefore a Judeo-regime controlled opposition similar to Pat Buchanan and the paleo-cons here in the USA. Lysenkoist universalism and a denial of genes and race is the unchanging hallmark of all Jewish-controlled fronts. Their ‘ties’ however are no closer than the Kremlin’s cleaning staff. Putin and “various Russian politicians” maintain their true ‘close ties’ to the Bank for International Settlements, the G8, the world’s financial exchanges and International Jewry. To GW, “observers of global affairs that Putin’s rising Russia”... ...is as much a Jewish virtual reality production as the ‘growing’ EU or the ‘growing’ USA. The present ‘state of tension’ is mainly a testimony of the extent to which nominal human beings these days are mini-golems actuated solely by emotions turned on and off by Jewish media imagery. Only people who have lost contact with reality - in both the ‘West’ and in Russia - could regard the media promotion of more frequent flights by 30-40 antique Tupolev 95 bombers as evidence either of a renewed threat or of a national resurgence. The reality here on Earth is the last semi-annual draft call in Russia produced only 20% of the recruits the census takers say are available. The reality is Gazprom and Rosneft now have statutory authority to recruit and arm units of corporate mercenaries for security purposes. They will doubtless find their cannon fodder among the 20% who answered the draft call for whatever reason. Their security purposes are for protecting cash producing energy infrastructure, not for purposes of security of the whole Russian people from external threats. These are not ‘state-owned’ companies. These are ‘state owning’ companies, identical in substance to Shell, BP and Exxon. Putin has had one consistent theme for 8 years relative to the ‘Russian’ armed forces. This theme is to eliminate the draft system - i.e. a nationally based army - and replace it with a smaller volunteer force of what in practice are career mercenaries. Such a force cannot protect Russia’s land mass or its population. The purpose of that model force - just like all comparable forces in the ‘West’ - is to assert the regime’s dominance, protect critical regime infrastructure and control key nodes of resource production. ‘Movement Eurasia’.. Once one looks underneath the facade of emotive imagery, the real policy appears. And this policy is to organize ‘Eurasia’ as one vast Judeo-Market, fully integrated with all the other Judeo-markets. This is what the regime personified by ‘Putin’ has done and is doing. Maguire 30
Posted by schaum's on September 07, 2007, 11:04 AM | # Maguire’s extremely pessimistic about Russia, as am I in light of the Jewish infestation of economy and government. Blood poisoning is Putin’s incurable ailment; he cannot build a counterforce to Judeo-America with a national elite 33% pure/half/quadroon Jewish (a sad legacy of the Jewish Bolshevik takeover). This fifth column in combination with international backers will once again pillage Russia the moment the authoritarian government slackens. As things are going, Slavs will not retain control of Russia another two decades. 31
Posted by Maguire on September 07, 2007, 11:41 AM | # “Maguire’s extremely pessimistic about Russia” I prefer to think of it as realism. I have the same realism about the situation here in the USA. Our pro-white movement has to be grounded to reality like a lightning rod is to the Earth. “as am I in light of the Jewish infestation of economy and government.” The Jewish Imperium functions on a simple rule: “divide et impera”. This is mandatory for a tiny and permanently alien group attempting to rule other people from that position. Otherwise the goyim will unite and turn on them. Where divisions do not exist they will intentionally create them as a way to strengthen ther position. The post 1965 non-white immigration policy imposed on white America is a classic example of this. My own universalist conclusion sometime back was that Canada, America, England, France, Germany et al have outlived their usefulness to the white race. These are not nation-states or even ‘white’ governments any more. They are merely Jewish satrapies ruled by viceroys and colonial bureaucracies. otoh I am limitlessly optimistic about future possibilities, once a reality-based movement is in place. ‘National Bolshevism’ however does not qualify as reality-based. It’s a virtual reality front designed to advance Jewish imperial goals. 32
Posted by Maguire on September 07, 2007, 11:59 AM | # “Blood poisoning is Putin’s incurable ailment; he cannot build a counterforce to Judeo-America” Putin has no intention of doing this and never has. He himself is the approved product of a Jewish political elite. His ‘opposition’ to Judeo-America’s operations in Iraq is no substantive than Nancy Pelosi’s. He opposes it the same way Kerry did, which is tell people in 2004 that if he’d been President in 2003 he wouldn’t have done it. But once the prospective future is considered no one hears him talk about instant withdrawal. He talks just like Bush about staying the course, in between wisecracking one liners some Jew writes for him. Does anyone suppose Putin wants the NATO force in Afghanistan withdrawn? I’ve had one principle goal in these recent ‘Russia’ threads. This is to deflate the internet urban legend of Putin creating some kind of new Anti-Semitic and Anti-Zionist Russia. It is delusionary. It is escapist fantasy. This myth has been spread by people like Bill White, Alex Linder and Israel Shamir so long it’s taken on a life of its own. Believe me, friends, white men and countrymen. ‘They’ aren’t *fleeing* Russia, they’re moving *to* Russia from Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Brighton Beach in ever growing numbers. 33
Posted by EC on September 07, 2007, 12:16 PM | # Believe me, friends, white men and countrymen. ‘They’ aren’t *fleeing* Russia, they’re moving *to* Russia from Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Brighton Beach in ever growing numbers. This I know to be 100% true. They have ravaged the country and the people and are intent of doing even more. Forget about the money for a second, the vast number of women they have brought into the sex slave trade is enough to turn one’s stomach. 34
Posted by Guessedworker on September 07, 2007, 01:03 PM | # But let’s be more realistic than that, maguire. Putin’s oil- and gas-rich Russia has an abiding interest in global economic stability which ties it to the interests of banking, corporate and political elites. The more “Big Man” noises it can make on the international stage, showing America that it will not tolerate interference in its sphere of influence or a ring of military bases around its southern borders, the more it can thump down a bargaining chip at the elite table. This is clear enough. Even a race-loyal government espousing an anti-liberal philosophy would have to parley with the elites. At least, until there were others like it, out of which a counterveiling elite might rise. And Jews? No, they are not the lead constituency at this level. They are the elite’s intellectual Janissaries and the NGO training sergeants of national politicians. The pursuit of internationalism, individualism, human rights, global capitalism, and population transfer accords with elite and Jewish ethnic interests. Likewise, national and racial self-consiousness among the peoples of the West is absolutely toxic to both. We do ourselves a massive disservice by over-stating the Jewish role in the modern world. I think you know that better than I, and I think you don’t really believe at least some of what you’ve written here. 35
Posted by a Finn on September 07, 2007, 01:47 PM | # Thank you, commenters, for your kind support. Because of you I don’t leave altogether. I watch how this phenomenon progresses; does this site degenerate into a bolshevist funny farm or does it regain it’s former sanity. In the meantime I will comment and maybe later post something in the Occidental Dissent site, if it is suitable to the site’s agenda. Constantin wrote: “Stalin Folk arise!” - That sums it up nicely. GW, whatever the reasons are for your inclusion of Constantin and JJR, it discredits this site. You are obviously an intelligent chap, so you have enough understanding ability in this matter. If this kind of phenomenon starts to be recurrent, and there is no perceptible learning from previous incidents, it raises legimate questions why is this so. If somebody hostile wants to discredit EGI nationalism, it could be done in the following way: Create an intelligent EGI nationalists site and gather numerous intelligent people to posters and commenters. Then after people are thoroughly accustomed to the site’s intelligence, let crazy and/or people diametrically opposed to Europeans’ EGI to post main posts. Results; Intelligent people see that, even though the editor of the site is intelligent, he lacks sanity and necessary common sense. Intelligent people become sooner or later disappointed, “disillusioned” and lose enthusiasm, and sooner or later abandon EGI nationalism or move to a site, where some part of intelligent nationalism discussion is restricted or move to a mainstream paleoconservative site (dispersion and weakening of the ideologies). If Constantin (hopefully) moves to other sites, what is next GW? Maybe an al-Qaeda main poster, who has specialized in murdering English and brags about it? If you see Stalinists as suitable main posters, surely an al-Qaeda poster is not a big thing. As you say, the rest is up to the readers. If you have any illusions about Constantin, gather his articles and poetry here, and offer him as a writer to Occidental Quarterly, Amren magazine etc., and see what happens. Despite saying this, I still hope the best from you, Guessedworker. Regard this as a friendly critique. PS.: Constantin’s article: “Russia is everything, the rest is nothing!” GW: “This is OK to tell the man sitting next to you on the Moscow Metro, if you must. ....” - This kind of agitation in Russia is not good to relations between Russians and Europeans. 36
Posted by wjg on September 07, 2007, 01:58 PM | # GW, All elites serve someone and since Eurory has no one serving us who do they (our supposed elite) serve? With that in mind is Jewry serving the elite, or is this “elite” - a shell severed from its own soul - really serving them? It should be clear to all who is benefiting corporately from the dysfunctional relationship between “our” elite and Jewry. We should not get sidetracked with exoterics, thinking the “servant” with bent knee to the dotard king is not really the master. Once he was exorcized from the councils of Wormtongue, Theoden did again become the King of Rohan but while in thrall he was an “elite” just like ours – in name only. The whole body, which grows as a body, rules not the servants who do its bidding; whether they see it or not. The Jew of the Kings knew this quite well. Leave us the form, take all the function. 37
Posted by PF on September 07, 2007, 02:07 PM | # It’s interesting, and unfortunate, that the Finn takes such offense at this that he decides to leave. I would rather have The Finn leaving an occasional comment than Constantin posting. Addressing Constantin, my problems with his posts are these: 1) Depictions of motive are painted in broad strokes, never does a finer dissection take place:
We’d be fools to think that all the people touched by this generalization actually thought in block, black-and-white terms about Germany. Even if your historical microscope doesn’t have sufficient resolution to dissect individual motives and present us with a palette of different colors—you could at least hint in your language that perfect certainty is lacking. This intimation of a deeper skepticism would be the clue to your degree of realism- because all these men did not think alike. 2) Your posts contain religious and mythological/mystic references, which although mentioned in passing, nevertheless draw into question the character of the person writing the essay—Do historical episodes have a mythological or religious dimension for you? This is bound to awake the distrust of a scientific mindset generally.
...something else about.. an “occidental dragon”.... I thought Grendel was the bad guy, and dragons were an oriental thing.
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Posted by PF on September 07, 2007, 02:10 PM | # ...granted, the last quote is not from CvH. It was nevertheless presented to the readers of this site as worthwhile information. 39
Posted by a Finn on September 07, 2007, 02:54 PM | # Here are two examples from other sites, what serious writing looks like. Compare these to the articles of Constantin (I could have of course chosen many, many articles from this site too): http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/08/the_genetics_of.php 40
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 07, 2007, 07:16 PM | #
The pilots who fly the A-10 Warthog boast of its toughness: the plane is impossible to shoot down thanks to its tank-like armored outer skin and extensive duplicate and triplicate redundancy of engine, hydraulics and electronic and flight control systems — these birds go out and get totally shot up then limp home and miraculously manage every time to make it to some friendly runway, to ground crews’ utter amazement, on one wing, one engine, half a fuselage, no nose and almost no tail, the bullets that would’ve killed the pilot stopped or slowed by the heavy armour shell surrounding the cockpit. The way the proud pilots put it is their aircraft “can take a licking and keep on ticking.” (For the non-English-speakers: “To take a licking,” slang for “to get a beating,” and “keep on ticking” referring to a wristwatch that’s “still ticking,” meaning “still working.”) Constantin, comrade, you’re no shrinking violet — those “primitive insults” should roll off you like water off a duck’s back. Disregard that stuff completely. Have you seen the language we use on each other here? “GnXp Stinks,” in his various guises, thinks I’m the world’s worst mental retard and a complete asshole. But in this milieu you’ve got to be able to do like the A-10 Warthog: got to be able to “take a licking and keep on ticking.” 41
Posted by Guessedworker on September 07, 2007, 07:49 PM | # PF, I trust Constantin will take your three points of criticism in good heart, and look to structure his arguments on something more serviceable and perhaps a bit less vaulting in its presumption. MR has surely spoken. Finn, None of us knows much truth. We are all learning, from the best down to the very least. Right now, we not only don’t know enough, we don’t know the same things, don’t value what we do know in the same way… and certainly don’t have it all interpreted for us in a single vision. As a direct consequence there are as many groups and interests in nationalism as their are clouds in an English summer sky. Conflict and failure abound. What will unite us, or at least some of us, so we can move forward? What will be communicable to the discontented majority in the mainstream? These are the questions we cannot answer today, in our present state of knowledge. MR operates under the principle that knowledge is not only handed down from above but ground out of the dialectic. When I sit down to write a post I hope that I will finish reading the thread knowing more than I did before, and so it invariably proves. To that healthy end I welcome all contributors and commenters who can put together thoughtful and well-written material. I welcome width. I want to encourage debate, to encourage the survival of the memetically fittest. I am aware that I err on the side of the eclectic. But I prefer as much interesting material as possible to be put to the test. Think of MR as a winnowing process in which you have a part, as well as a simple publishing venture by some self-selected politicos seeking to evangelise their own world view. 42
Posted by Maguire on September 07, 2007, 08:09 PM | # GW, “But let’s be more realistic than that, maguire. Putin’s oil- and gas-rich Russia has an abiding interest in global economic stability which ties it to the interests of banking, corporate and political elites.” It is fully integrated with them. It is difficult to detect significant non-energy business activity in Putin’s New Russia that isn’t a joint venture with and subsidiary of a multi-national corporation, or partnered with external foreign traders. And half of oil activity remains in private hands. Rosneft’s ambitions are for the future, they don’t describe today. Open air food markets with their multitude of small traders are the only major exception that come to my mind. The people controlling this, plus provincial and local government officials, compose Putin’s “United Russia” party. Zhirinovsky’s Liberal Democratic Party mainly represents local mafioso, many with their own stakes in ‘local’ business. “The more “Big Man” noises it can make on the international stage, showing America that it will not tolerate interference in its sphere of influence or a ring of military bases around its southern borders, the more it can thump down a bargaining chip at the elite table.” Well over half this noise is for domestic political consumption. The Duma has elections scheduled for December under a new and purely proportional party representation system. All single member territorial districts (225 or half the current 450 member Duma) have been abolished. In the last elections in 2003 these 225 territorial districts produced 100 minor party and independent members. The new party bar is set at 7% of the vote to get ANY representatives. Consequently there’s a premium to be had for motivating Russian analogs to the Limbaughtomized Souper Paytriot Republicans. This group responds well to Stalinesque emotional imagery. This is good because the returns from higher oil & gas revenues have been very unevenly distributed. Almost needless to add, this new non-geographic system maximizes the influence of TV. “Even a race-loyal government espousing an anti-liberal philosophy” This assuredly does not describe Vladimir Putin’s government. Maguire 43
Posted by Maguire on September 07, 2007, 08:27 PM | # p.s. Along with moving to an all-volunteer professional mercenary military, Putin’s been making noises lately about privatizing the Russian State Railways. These railroads are to Russia as the Interstate Highway System is to the USA I’d once have said that sounds as ridiculuous as privatizing the US interstate highway system. Except that privatizing many parts of the US highway system is now under serious discussion here. This has even progressed into action with the lease-out to foreign interests of the Indiana Toll Road, which is also part of Interstate 80 & 90. And other bits and pieces are coming along. This is not the behavior of a ‘nationalist’ government. In fact it’s the behavior of a government indistinguishable from the rest of those in the late grate West. 44
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 07, 2007, 09:04 PM | #
Bullseye! All except Israeli ones, that is: Jews, including the race-deniers, are fully aware of genetic race and genetic racial differences, and neither the Jews who run Israel nor the ones in the diaspora denying race to the goys and insisting on non-white race-replacement immigration are never, of course, going to advocate such a thing for Israel. Jewish political, academic, and NGO race-denial is purely intended to function as a weapon of war for goy destruction. But yes it’s true that denial of genes and race is the unchanging hallmark of all Jewish-controlled fronts with the exception noted (denial thereof purely as a psy-ops weapon of war: the Jews themselves don’t for a second believe race doesn’t exist but they see themselves on a war-footing, while the Euro imbeciles, such as J Richards’ favorite anthropologist C. Boring Disgrace, haven’t a clue they’re under genocidal attack). 45
Posted by a Finn on September 07, 2007, 10:20 PM | # GW: “I want to encourage debate, to encourage the survival of the memetically fittest.” - I may have accidentally given you a wrong impression by referring to communist and socialist memes as the strongest there is. There are two basic reasons for this. Socialists and communists in their various forms and disguises have done all the necessary things to attach their policies to every need and every aspect of ordinary people and their lives. In essence those policies and many people have become as one. We haven’t done anything of the sort, and this we must do. We must attach inseparably our policies to studying, raising children, work, salaries, food and energy production, free time and sports, housing etc. etc. And form networks and communities. And alter the current communist and socialist memes. Second, if meme is destructive, it doesn’t mean anything positive that it is currently the strongest. In the same way carbon monoxide (poisonous, deadly gas) attaches itself three hundred times more efficiently to erythrocytes than oxygen. Carbon monoxide is thus stronger attacher than oxygen, but it is still better to inhale clean, fresh, oxygen rich air. GW, reasonable limits are needed. Bolshevist communists have been seen and experienced in their entirety. If it is in it’s real form, it is the Death. 46
Posted by Maguire on September 07, 2007, 10:24 PM | # PF, “Your posts contain religious and mythological/mystic references, which although mentioned in passing, nevertheless draw into question the character of the person writing the essay—Do historical episodes have a mythological or religious dimension for you?” CvH’s posture is very traditional in Russian literature and also folklore. It’s a combination of secular commentator and mystical seer & prophet, always tinged with apparent mania and maybe madness. See Solzhenitsyn’s long prophet’s beard and style for many years. Even now there are… actors and actresses for lack of a better noun…who’ve established themselves in living roles as village herbal healers, naturopaths, folklore based folkish prophets and what not. They have a truly amazing range of lore. These men and women are frequent guests on the many Russian daytime TV talk shows where they push their books, DVDs and sometimes naturalistic products. Maguire 47
Posted by desmond jones on September 08, 2007, 03:48 AM | # What’s it to you Stevo? What do you care whether MR’s front page is spammed? You have your own site. You don’t post here anymore. Little was heard from you during your Asian epiphany. Now you’re all full of piss and vinegar. There’s some other reason for the current burr under your saddle. This is personnel right? You’ve got a hate on for GW. Spit it out son. 48
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 04:19 AM | # Maguire, I was not suggesting that Putin’s was a genuine nationalist government, but making the point that one such, should it ever arise again, would still have to deal with the reality of the elites. This is not in itself a sign of non-nationalism, but of the inevitability of the concentration of power. I am sorry if that wasn’t clearer from my comment. Otherwise, I found, as so often, your interpretation very interesting. I’m sure there are are many who appreciate it. Finn, Constantin wrote to me just the other day saying he is not a National Bolshevist, but has some sympathy with the movement in Russia. I would describe him as, primarily, a pan-European nationalist. His interest in NB is predicated on its purifying ambition for the Russian people as well as the body politic, and its notions of an anti-liberal European Empire. These ideas are, in themselves, perfectly worthy of debate. The problem has been that Constantin establishes the terms of that debate along pedagogic lines that offend recent memory, and in a dramatic style that disdains the caution of normal intellectual inquiry. Obviously, he would have been better to begin by explaining and critiquing NB as a response to certain realities in Russia, and leave us to formulate our own judgments. We’ll see what, if anything, happens next. Finn, you are a European like me, and you must know that there is a seemingly unbridgeable gulf between the worldly, materialist American approach to nationalism and the European one, filled as it is with dreams and images and the call to greatness. It is an ambition of mine, however unwise, to cross-fertilize these traditions ... that is, to bring vision to the Judeophobes and empiricism to the dreamers. Very few people are working in this way (Michael O’Meara is a magnificent but partial exception). Constantin trails behind him a certain risk factor, it’s true, and the experiment may end here. But I am looking for an opening to European thought, and his presence here is a gesture in that direction. 49
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 04:48 AM | # Steve, I never fully understood the violence of your reaction to JJR, and found it quite shocking. You were reacting out of all proportion to the scale of the issue then, and you are doing it now. We are dealing with IDEAS, Steve. Yes, they are of high import, and yes, some people hold dear ideas with which one disagrees profoundly. But it surpasses the obvious to say that among educated men disagreement should be handled in a civilised way (I have used the word “collegiate” on this thread). Divisiveness is an unusual master on the political right, but I sense that it is yours. It would appear to be an unconscious trait, since you exhibit the classic give-away of suspecting it elsewhere. Read what I have just written to Finn, and try to be more sensible. 50
Posted by Proofreader on September 08, 2007, 04:59 AM | # GW: http://www.geocities.com/colonisationdeleurope/index.html ...a primer so to speak on how to restrict inmigration in Europe and actually deport large numbers of inmigrants. That’s better than 99 % of what passes for racialist or nationalist thinking. 51
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 05:15 AM | # Proofreader, Constantin was due to interview Faye on audio and in English, and offered the recording, when it is available, to Soren for uploading here. I haven’t heard any more about that. On the wider New Right issue, I am still hoping to entice to MR a very able American intellectual who specialises in the European canon and writes superbly. Steve, Gates of hell! Well, OK. We’ve seen a couple of little red devils, which was not unexpected. We’ve asked Constantin to lock them up. Let’s see if the poet has a padlock. 52
Posted by Scimitar on September 08, 2007, 06:33 AM | #
I wouldn’t put it that way, GW. Americans have always dreamed of being a great nation. Even today, mired as we are under the anti-racist status quo, that is still true. In fact, one can make a very strong argument that the U.S. ditched racialism for that very reason: it became an obstacle to the U.S. winning the Cold War. It was the Cold Warriors like Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and LBJ that pushed desegregation in their crusade against Communism. This was interferring with the “leadership role” in NATO. The U.S. is similar to Western Europe, but differs in many ways. One of the most striking differences is that much of Europe no longer seems to have its former ambition. Britain, for example, was all for pushing its civilization onto Africa during the Victorian Age. France and Belgium were likewise proud of their civilizing mission. That’s no longer true. These nations have shifted into a “postmodern” phase whereas the U.S. alone remains very much a “modern” nation. Our problem is an excess of flag waving, patriotard nationalism, not a deficiency of it. I find much truth in the idea that you Brits are a “bridge” between the U.S. and Europe. Look at your own version of racialism. On the one hand, it is Romantic and places an emphasis on culture like the other European versions of nationalism, moreso than the American version. OTOH, it is “materialistic” in that EGI is very much a version of hereditarianism. Like the Americans, you take a much “broader view” than the continentals, but at the same time a “narrower view” than the WNs. Also, of all the Europeans, the British seem most inclined to think of themselves as “white people.” Maybe this is because you are English? I don’t know, but suspect that it is hardly irrelevant. There was a time when we Americans used to dream of conquering all of North America (sometimes the entire Western Hemisphere) and kicking the non-whites out of it. This was what we called “progress” and “triumph of rationality and civilization” and “Manifest Destiny.” Oklahoma was for many years a giant concentration camp for Indians. This was our idea of being a “great nation.” I don’t find that greatness consists in being like the Balkans. It would be sad to see Britain torn apart by petty nationalism like Yugoslavia. You have already lost Ireland and the Empire. I have seen calls by several individuals for Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall to become independent countries. Sometimes this is endorsed by English nationalists; the Little Englanders I have mentioned elsewhere. You have told me this is not your view. That’s good. Your version of nationalism is the most agreeable in Europe that I have seen so far. 53
Posted by Scimitar on September 08, 2007, 06:41 AM | #
I will second this. 54
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 06:43 AM | # Steve, I have never indulged in a “flame war” in my life, and can think of nothing, in blogging terms, more juvenile or counter-productive. Our object, anyway, is not to fight but to propose and debate and, sometimes, dispose. JJR presented a particular challenge in that respect because he would not internalise the results of his own debates, but began again, ad nauseum, at the same starting point. In private correspondence between us I asked him to address the responses from the commentariat, which on some occasions he manfully attempted. But he never really got beyond the restatement of his values. Since the majority of our people think no further than those same values I judged it profitable to have them stated here. JJR understood this - or said he understood this - as intellectual tolerance. Others, including you, understood it as stupidity or treachery. I understood it as an opportunity to demonstrate the superiority of our ideas and heirarchical values over those of the mainstream right. In the end, JJR took his eye off the ball and started kicking the people tackling him. Post deletions did not effect a cure, so his resignation became inevitable. On the matter of the seriousness or otherwise of NB, read the Wikipedia entry on Dugin here. The NB currency today is clearly much debased. But it is still in circulation, and in that respect is likely no less valid for us to examine than, say, American WN! Steve, I do not take offense at your attack on me. You know that many here would wish you to resume posting at MR, and that is my wish also. It seems very churlish of you to avail yourself to criticise MR, which itself bespeaks a certain sense of ownership over what goes on here, while on the other hand standing aloof from the task of actually setting the intellectual agenda. Come on back and face the music, the same as the rest of us. 55
Posted by Scimitar on September 08, 2007, 06:49 AM | #
Actually, I wasn’t pilloring you for this, and apologize if that was the impression that you got from me raising the subject. Naturally enough, I disagree with your libertarianism and multiracial relationship. But, that is your private life, and I am more interested in what you have to say than who you happen to be sleeping with. You will note that above I argued that you should start writing again for MR. It was your posts that got me reading MR in the first place. 56
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 08:32 AM | # GW, “I was not suggesting that Putin’s was a genuine nationalist government” My reaction wasn’t directed at you personally. It was part of my merciless crusade to stamp out the lunatic idea that the regime Putin heads is in any way Slavic nationalist, even in empathy. It is a pure NWO operation by the definition of what is done on the ground. They have engaged in a number of physically fruitless high visibility pan-Slavic initiatives. An example of this is the nominally ‘pro’ Serbian intervention over Kosovo. But if I were a Serb my feeling would be, ‘with allies like this I don’t need enemies’. The goal of these ventures has always been to polarize the domestic Russian Slavic population towards themselves. Politicians have often found external war a great way to shore up their internal political positions. Putin is providing an example of how to do this in the virtual reality age, and without the costs even of a Cold War. Putin’s real bullets are only aimed at ideological Islamists, just like the rest of the Judeo regimes. “but making the point that one such, should it ever arise again, would still have to deal with the reality of the elites.” iow ‘diplomacy’. I would accept that as an axiom. M 57
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 09:06 AM | # GW, “seemingly unbridgeable gulf between the worldly, materialist American approach to nationalism and the European one, filled as it is with dreams and images and the call to greatness.” GT & I both deny the proposition that modern white nationalism in the USA has any significant material dimension. It’s as much of an Empire of the Mind as the European versions. I think James Bowery would agree with this, but he can speak for himself. The only exceptions to this are a string of small publishing concerns and PayPal linked “Donate” buttons on websites. The proliferation of these under the aegis of the rotting 1st Amendment, plus isolated events the Enemy tries to link to the 2d Amendment, probably produce an appearance of material substance when viewed from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. “It is an ambition of mine, however unwise, to cross-fertilize these traditions ... that is, to bring vision to the Judeophobes and empiricism to the dreamers. Very few people are working in this way.” I think both traditions need to be fertilized in same direction of yielding tangible material results for white people. In any event, let’s get to the task at hand Maguire 58
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 09:10 AM | # Maguire, If you are interested I can send you a link to a library of European New Right, Revolutionary Conservative and Traditionalist philosophy. This extensive and long-standing body of thought has no counterpart in America - save, possible, the fairly meagre pickings of the Southern Agrarians. 59
Posted by Scimitar on September 08, 2007, 09:35 AM | # Of course “White Nationalism” has a material dimension. It is based on hereditary racial differences in morphology, intelligence, and temperment. What is “spiritual” or non-material about that? 60
Posted by Scimitar on September 08, 2007, 09:49 AM | #
That’s true. American racialism has long been modern, rationalistic, forward looking, progressive. It is not based on anti-modern, anti-civilization, backward looking, Romanticism like most European versions of nationalism. This is not to say that the U.S. was not influenced by Romanticism. The Southern Agrarians would be an example of that. The Chivalry of the Antebellum South as well. “Conservatism” is not an idea that ever had much currency here. Traditionally speaking, Americans have not wanted to “conserve” monarchy, popery, ignorance, or poverty. The most succicnt statement of American nationalism that I have ever seen comes, oddly enough, from the Southern, states rights, secessionist William Lowndes Yancey. He claimed that we have two ideas: first, that every white man is the equal of every other; second, that the negro is inferior. 61
Posted by schaum's on September 08, 2007, 09:53 AM | # It was part of my merciless crusade to stamp out the lunatic idea that the regime Putin heads is in any way Slavic nationalist, even in empathy. The changes are partial but real. One can’t hope for anything more short of a Russian Hitler, which Putin is not. He, Putin, has addressed: - birthrates through pro-natalist policies Russian Nationalists do have access to Putin, do sit in large numbers in the Duma (equivalent of U.S. Congress), as as the above indicate, have policy-making clout. 62
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 08, 2007, 11:41 AM | #
Here’s what’s wrong with Scimitar’s opposition to what he views as “European-style ‘petty nationalisms’ “: A married couple has one child. Another has six. Which family (all other things being equal) is stronger, more imposing, richer, less sterile, better able to defend its interests, likelier to survive into the future with descendants, likelier as a family to leave its mark on the world? (Be careful: I said all other things being equal.) The person wanting Europe to be one, to be unitary, wishes a weaker thing than he who wants it to be plural, several, multi-part. The same applies to countries, Germany for example, or Dutchdom (I oppose Flanders joining Holland once its independence from Belgium which, praise God!, is imminent, is achieved). Yes, there’s E pluribus unum, but that motto works exactly like the reason the Jewish-wielded weapon of multiculti is a false thing: to have multiculti you have to have culti, something which multiculti forbids; to have unum you have to have pluribus. What’s going to be stronger on average, all other things being equal: a gang of three strong men or a gang of three strong men who are triplets? If you do away with pluribus, leaving only unum, you’ve got yourself a weakened thing. Unum of what? Unum of unum? But that’s begging the question. What you want is pluribus first, last, and forever, and then once you have pluribus you can go ahead and see to exactly what extent you want to superimpose some unum on your pluribus. Pluribus comes first, last, and always. Of course excessive fragmentation isn’t desirable either and I don’t advocate that. But excessive absorption, uniformity, and regimentation are also not ideal. It’s a question of how much weight to assign each facet of the whole reality of the thing, the whole Euro racial collection. To uniformize Europe would be to forever weaken it. 63
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 08, 2007, 11:56 AM | #
Right but look whom he meant by “every white man”: his fellow Southern “Anglos.” That, at that time, was a narrow group: none of Desmond’s Ukrainians, none of New York City’s Italian’s, Irish, or Poles, no Lebanese, and so on. In a sense he was begging the question. (That said, Scimitar, you know me to proudly be what the Jewish neocons derisively refer to as a neo-Confederate — wanted to clarify my general approach to these matters before some asshole misunderstands me, not Scim of course but certain others I could cite, which Scim can likely guess.) 64
Posted by Proofreader on September 08, 2007, 02:21 PM | # GW: Constantin was due to interview Faye on audio and in English, and offered the recording, when it is available, to Soren for uploading here. I haven’t heard any more about that. On the wider New Right issue, I am still hoping to entice to MR a very able American intellectual who specialises in the European canon and writes superbly.
MEASURES TO BE IMPLEMENTED 1) supression of “jus soli” in favour of “jus sanguinis”. 2) No work permits issued to non-europeans (Faye means here just “EU citizens” which I don´t agree with). 3) Legal aliens of non-european blood aren´t allowed to work or benefit from Social Security. 4) Visas are only valid for one non-renewable year. 5) Foreign felons are automatically deported and barred from further visits to the country. 6) Illegals are deported on sight; illegal felons are deported when they finish their time. 7) Aliens no longer will benefit from public services not generally available to citizens. 8) Restriction of visas issued to African and Asian countries. B) Measures not in agreement with International Rights (or with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for that matter) (Faye states that sooner or later, drastic measures will have to be undertaken in order to save Europe from its alien depredators. Better to be kicked from the UN than perish, in other words) 1) Retroactive abrogation of citizenship to aliens (Faye uses the French: “allogènes”) 2) Subsidized policy of gradual repatriation for these aliens. Unlike current similar measures, repatriation here is to be understood as mandatory, i.e. deportation. 3) Muslims would be given the same treatment as Christians in Muslim lands: that is, fully legal discrimination on a reciprocal level. 4) Positive discrimination (Affirmative action) will be replaced by negative discrimination in favour of natives. There´s more here, and the book is free to download: 65
Posted by Paul of Metatarsus on September 08, 2007, 02:25 PM | # Off-topic: Comrades at GuessedworkerWatch will be disturbed to learn that this arch-fascist’s posting at the Daily Telegraph today, which links to his abominable Majority Wretches website, is still available to corrupt susceptible minds: Political Correctness is not difficult to identify. Cleave less to the learned and rather mawkish sensibility that characterises it, so much as the intent behind it. PeeCee is cultural Marxist activism - a deliberate, calculated attempt to destroy the cultural hegemony of Europeans in all their homelands in the West. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/09/08/do0804.xml Meanwhile, that assidous promoter of World Music and fearless scourge of racism, DJ Andy Kershaw, has been comparing the world’s most vibrantly diverse city with the hideously white Isle of Man: Like so many who turn their backs on the big city, Andy Kershaw couldn’t quite hide that hint of smugness whenever he spoke of his new life on the Isle of Man. Having visited regularly for holidays, it was in April last year that he and his partner Juliette Banner and their two children made the seaside town of Peel their permanent home. “There is, on the island, a spirit of community and neighbourliness that long ago evaporated in much of the UK, and totally in London,” the BBC Radio 3 disc jockey observed as he prepared for the move. 66
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 04:03 PM | # Wow Paul (Amalek/WJP?), for a moment I thought you were going to publish the whole comment, which ran to a fair length ... plus the follow-up comment about apparently acceptable group names (like goy), no part of which saw the light of day. That would have been really interesting. I don’t in the least mind being censored - and effectively misquoted therefore - by the Torygraph. It’s part and parcel of being an unspeakable arch-fascist, of course. But it’s very nice to know that barefoot holymen of the internet, such as your good self, are watching over my puny efforts to direct thinking Englishmen in the right direction. I am a bit puzzled about the Kershaw quote. Do you think I have a drink problem? 68
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 08, 2007, 06:13 PM | # Maguire, are you the Maguire from FAEM? If so, I can hardly take you seriously (not that I do now because I do not). Your psychotic delusions about a “Jewish conspiracy” are beyond the pale of silliness. Constantin 69
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 08, 2007, 06:16 PM | # “Do historical episodes have a mythological or religious dimension for you?” Of course they do! You can hardly rouse the masses, especially the youth, with statistics. Constantin 70
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 08, 2007, 06:20 PM | # “Constantin was due to interview Faye on audio and in English, and offered the recording, when it is available, to Soren for uploading here.” I interviewed Faye with a Russian comrade of mine. The audio quality is terrible. Hence, I shall post the transcript. I told Soren a couple of weeks ago that Faye will be back in Moscow in November and that Soren could then do a phone interview with him. Constantin 71
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 08, 2007, 06:24 PM | # What’s FAEM? Constantin I hope you as a German don’t support the positions in regard to East Prussia laid out in the web-site of the NBF Kaliningrad which you linked in your comment of 9/7, 7:54 AM. When I read the material at that site I almost barfed. Thank God there are only a few dozen of them behind that organisation, according to what they say. Hey you’re not trying to start up a modern version of the Eidechsenbund are you, comrade? 72
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on September 08, 2007, 06:36 PM | # “Constantin I hope you as a German don’t support the positions in regard to East Prussia laid out in the web-site of the NBF Kaliningrad which you linked in your comment of 9/7, 7:54 AM.” To be honest, and I am sure I will be hounded for saying so by the reactionaries here, I simply do not care if it is Kaliningrad or Koenigsberg. The Nazis started a war of extermination. The Nazis lost the war of extermination. Germans should be thankful that the Russians did not respond in kind. Koenigsberg was a small price to pay for Nazi hubris. I am not interested in petty nationalist revanches. I am solely interested in White race survival. MAGNA EVROPA EST PATRIA NOSTRA! I actually visited Kaliningrad a couple of months ago. They try to uphold the German heritage there, and all the inhabitants that I have talked to were very sympathetic towards Germany. I am not one of the whiny German nationalist types. I do not care if Kaliningrad is Russian or German. There are way more important matters to worry about. While Turks swamp Berlin and all of Germany, petty German nationalists complain about the “Russian occupation of Koenigsberg.” Pathetic! Constantin 73
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 08, 2007, 07:10 PM | #
No, I’m the only reactionary here who will hound you for that. No one else here cares about Königsberg or East Prussia. It’s something I care about in the extreme though my own German family is from the west (Moselgau), not the east. And you will be hounded by me on this, and very regularly, rest assured! But thanks for your reply.
Are they Prussians or resettled Volga Germans? How’s their German? What dialect? The East Prussians spoke mostly Platt, from what I understand. If these are resettled Volga Germans they’ll speak some other way. 74
Posted by PF on September 08, 2007, 07:24 PM | # Constantin wrote:
Agreed. All that stuff is unfortunately just memories. The future of those places is vodka and agriculture now. Even East Germany is really on a precipice, economically, demographically and even culturally. The BRD cant even un-basketcase the East German Länder, what should they do with these sandy russo-polonized areas, where only the buildings are German? 75
Posted by Guessedworker on September 08, 2007, 07:28 PM | # Scimiter: GW is an arch-fascist? Only among liberals. I am assuming that the Apostle to the Beckhamites is no liberal. Scim, to return the compliment, O’Meara and you are the best that Euro-American racialism has. I hope a lot of others come through fast, though, and give you a run for your money! Constantin, Thanks for the update on the Faye interview. You can hardly rouse the masses, especially the youth, with statistics. This is old socialist student stuff, and goes with donkey jackets, megaphone chanting, hand-scrawled slogans on tatty cardboard. There are no masses to be roused. They live in houses worth £300,000, own two cars, holiday in Alicante, like white wine and have credit card debt. They won’t be roused. They like liberalism. They think they are free. To take hold of the future we have to replace the prevailing liberal ideology and thereby disaccommodate its beneficiary class. Revolution is an elite activity, and requires not grotesque Finland Station rabble-rousing but the creation of intellectual momentum. The “Spirit Volk” philosophy is far less significant for an intellectual constituency than, say, Salterism. 76
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 07:36 PM | # GW, “If you are interested I can send you a link to a library of European New Right, Revolutionary Conservative and Traditionalist philosophy.” Please. The more serious ‘bridging problem’ is moving folks into local activism on their home blocks, and using the skills they already possess. I think this thread is an ideal place to discuss this. Until this one is solved the pro-white movement must remain an atomized empire of the mind. Let me cite some examples. First we have CvH himself, who claims to be from Germany, says he’s now living in Moscow and is writing here in English. Then we have David Duke from Metarie, Louisiana, speechifying in Moscow when he’s not speaking in Damascus or Tehran. In your neighborhood there’s David Irving, a dual national of the United Kingdom and the Conch Republic of Key West, Florida. Then there’s Edgar Steele of Idaho, attorney at law, busy promoting his non-law book by offering advice on speculating in precious metals. I could list many others, including BNPers formerly fund raising in the USA. Does a picture perhaps begin to emerge when we connect these dots with lines? There is a huge thirst - at least in the USA - for physical action. This is the reason for the intense interest in Ron Paul among the Americans here, despite his many obvious deficiencies. Maguire 77
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 07:58 PM | # Constantin, “If so, I can hardly take you seriously (not that I do now because I do not). Your psychotic delusions about a “Jewish conspiracy” are beyond the pale of silliness.” Don’t worry about it. I haven’t taken you seriously from before the start of this thread. As I said, my goal has been to deflate this urban legend of some kind of Slavic nationalist Russia emerging under Putin, or that Putin carried out any kind of political purge when every one of Yeltsin’s appointments are still highly situated in Russian politics. “Your psychotic delusions” I have seen it implied on M-R you indulge in recreational drugs. Yes? If so, I’ll take that as the highest compliment yet paid to me by anyone on M-R. Maguire “The only thing more materialist than a white baby is the baby’s mother.” 78
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 08:25 PM | # GW, “And Jews? No, they are not the lead constituency at this level. They are the elite’s intellectual Janissaries and the NGO training sergeants of national politicians.” Political commissars is a more accurate description, I think. And they *are* the elite lead constituency in the USA here and now. Francis Parker Yockey wrote many decades back about the ‘Semitic’ countenance America had acquired. It’s more true than ever. We have more Jews living here than in Israel. Government office by itself is not a source of power. You don’t get power by obtaining government office. You get government office by first building power. Ownership is a more permanent seat of ‘power’, and particularly ownership of the mechanisms of finance, media and energy in this internal combustion engine and electric motor age. “We do ourselves a massive disservice by over-stating the Jewish role in the modern world.” Or by understating it. “I think you know that better than I, and I think you don’t really believe at least some of what you’ve written here.” Awhile back I pointed out Putin’s current Prime Minister is a Jew. We don’t have Prime Ministers here in the USA. The Presdident is both head of government and head of state. The closest analog to a #2 post under the President would be White House Chief of Staff. And Bush’s CofS and Asst CofS both happen to be Jews. Is it really necessary to rehash the entire ‘Neo-Con’ roster at this point? M 79
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 08:52 PM | # Scimitar, “There was a time when we Americans used to dream of conquering all of North America…” I still dream the dream with respect to the Soviet Peoples’ Republic of Canuckistan. Or rather dismantling both regimes and merging the land areas for the benefit of white people. This dream does not extend to Mexico, however. And I’d even be willing to exchange certain other areas for it. Southern California, southern Texas and Puerto Rico come to mind. “This was what we called “progress” and “triumph of rationality and civilization” and “Manifest Destiny.”” This was a major point of late 19th Century American anti-imperialist criticism against T.R. Roosevelt’s overseas imperialist adventures. Namely, T.R. was conquering non-white territories not suitable for white settlement (yellow fever and malaria were still rife) and which were fully populated with non-whites. Carnegie was extremely active on this. The late Western writer Louis L’Amour also commented on the glaring contrast he noticed between the white men he knew in the Old West as a traveling laborer worker and the ‘white men’ he later encountered in the colonial ports of the 1930s as a merchant seaman. Both groups were rough ‘n tumble. But the men in the Old West were nation builders. Whereas the expatriates in the Rick’s Casablanca type bars of the dying European empires were just ‘out for the main chance’. This too is not without instant application here and now. We are plagued with wandering expatriates out for the main chance. What we need are the nation builders. Maguire 80
Posted by GT on September 08, 2007, 09:06 PM | # Fred, “What’s FAEM?” The late Robert Frenz’ First Amendment Exercise Machine. The memorial site is located here: http://faem.com 81
Posted by Maguire on September 08, 2007, 09:25 PM | # Schaum, “- birthrates through pro-natalist policies” “(no, they don’t do a Slavs-only deal as that would mean civil war in a population 20% non-Slav, so one really can’t ask for more)” I was hoping someone would bring this up. I can’t conceive of anything better calculated to finally destroy Russia as a Slavic country than this. We already have all the results in from a 40 year experiment. It was called the Great Society and its major accomplishment was to further accelerate non-white birth rates. And by the way, we also started from a roughly 80% white & 20% proportion of non-whites in 1965. The pro-natalist policy includes larger payments for the 2d & 3d child. iow, it will result in more Central Asiatics/Muslims even if no more leak over the borders. It’s a great idea for a purely white country. And it’s pure doom in the presence of a significant non-white fraction and the usual panapoly of integrationist legislation due to differential birthrates. “- non-Russians in marketplaces through repatriation” The Armenian marketplace mafias have mainly brought in Russian fronts. They’re still there pulling the strings and pulling the cash. “- tangible assertions of Russian power and anti-Americanism” They’re all very intangible assertions, except with respect to Chechnya, Ingushetia and other Islamist hotbeds. The so-called Shanghai Security group is also aimed in practice at Al Qaida and Islamist separatism. Intangible virtual reality comes in with Tu-95 flights, utterly ineffective actions over Kosovo and similar media antics. Maguire 82
Posted by schaum's on September 08, 2007, 10:09 PM | # Maguire, some sort of anti-Putin infection has blinded you. Can’t you see Putin has done nearly as much as possible, given the many constraints, as he possibly could? Unless one believes that Putin should ethnically cleanse 30 million of the 150 million Russian citizens, or rigidly exclude them from society through apartheid, then his approach can’t be bettered except on the details. 83
Posted by GT on September 08, 2007, 10:57 PM | # Maguire, In both Russia and U.S. the foundational conservative would rather turn back the liberal clock to the point where the pain is bearable than eradicate, by means humane or inhumane, the problem altogether. 84
Posted by Maguire on September 09, 2007, 12:01 AM | # Schaum, “Maguire, some sort of anti-Putin infection has blinded you.” Maybe pro-Russianism. I’m not ‘anti-Putin’ in the sense you think. I’d much rather spend a week at the dacha with him than Bush, Cheney or Blair. We could also say ‘Russian Regime’, but it’s much more the custom to personify the regime in a single face. “Can’t you see Putin has done nearly as much as possible, given the many constraints, as he possibly could?” Honestly now, candid staring in the face time. Anyway, I don’t think it’s a question of ‘Putin’. He’s simply the face the Judeo-Moscow regime presents to the world. The real question is what sort of pro-white movement can advance white people en mass in Russia? The second question is what should such a movement be doing day to day? We’ve got CvH’s input. These are to propagate juvenile fantasies of Alexandrine Eurasian conquest and empire, as far as I can see. Once enough people convert to this millenarian dream it’ll be time to ‘seize power’ I guess. We can exclude this any time before 2050 for a demographic lack of troops, and also for lack of sufficient industry to equip a modern army on the necessary scale. “Unless one believes that Putin should ethnically cleanse 30 million of the 150 million Russian citizens, or rigidly exclude them from society through apartheid, then his approach can’t be bettered except on the details.” I’m sure you’re sincere about this. This same idea is familiar to us here in the USA as the sentiment that millions of very ‘Conservative’ white Republicans use to justify their ‘hold the nose and push the button’ actions for gents like Bush 41 & 43. I take the composition of the current Duma - over 100 independent and minor party members out of 450 elected in 2003 - as evidence of profound alienation at the neighborhood level. It matches the many anecdotal statements given to me by neighborhood Russians. The only response to this by the regime is to game the electoral system to prevent the symptom from reappearing again. Maguire 85
Posted by schaum's on September 09, 2007, 12:21 AM | # In both Russia and U.S. the foundational conservative would rather turn back the liberal clock to the point where the pain is bearable than eradicate, by means humane or inhumane, the problem altogether. In terms of ethnic divide Russia and the U.S. aren’t comparable even superficially. Russia doesn’t have a serious immigration problem (and won’t under Putin), the first distinction. Secondly, Russia’s (mainly same-race) ethnic groups have blended into one another over centuries, Slav into Georgian in the Caucasus, Nordic into Slav in the west, Lapp and Slav in the north, et alia, as compared to the unblended black/white/mexican/asian racial chasms. The only “indigenous” ethnic group that causes real problems are Jews. And they’re almost inseparable for reasons mentioned. How could Putin purge even this small group without a civil war—ending not in the genocide of Jews but their permanent takeover, with U.S. backing, Maguire and GT cannot explain. 86
Posted by desmond jones on September 09, 2007, 01:22 AM | # I still dream the dream with respect to the Soviet Peoples’ Republic of Canuckistan. Hurry up Maguire, it would be a hell of a lot easier for us old guys to winter in Florida without that friggin’ border in the way. 87
Posted by a Finn on September 09, 2007, 01:59 AM | # GW’s comments inside “” “Constantin wrote to me just the other day saying he is not a National Bolshevist, but has some sympathy with the movement in Russia. I would describe him as, primarily, a pan-European nationalist. His interest in NB is predicated on its purifying ambition for the Russian people as well as the body politic, and its notions of an anti-liberal European Empire.” - I assume you know, that I don’t take CvH seriously, but if CvH has learned something from the real bolshevists, he has learned to use lies. CvH doesn’t shout in these pages “Stalin folk arise, against the wall the traitor” etc. by accident. “I am aware that I err on the side of the eclectic. But I prefer as much interesting material as possible to be put to the test.” - Think about holding readership resembling somewhat holding a spouse. You can not test the spouse without limits. You can not test how the spouse reacts to long lasting neglect, numerous sex partners, hostility just for fun, etc. “Finn, you are a European like me, and you must know that there is a seemingly unbridgeable gulf between the worldly, materialist American approach to nationalism and the European one, filled as it is with dreams and images and the call to greatness. It is an ambition of mine, however unwise, to cross-fertilize these traditions ... “ - That divide is artificial. Any close look reveals much sameness, only expressions of it are slightly different, e.g.: * Claim: Socialism is only in Europe, not in America. Read e.g. Bill Clinton’s My Life. Even the reasons of normal people to support a radical socialist like Clinton are the same stupidity than in Europe; e.g. “Democrats have always been for the “little” people”. *Claim: Europe’s romanticists were dreamers, without connection to material reality. E.g. romanticists in Finland were often doctors, lawyers, editors, businessmen etc., highly connected to and comprehending the material reality. When music, poetry, literature, art and other culture is created, then dreaming is necessary. To create more connections and bonds between Americans and Europeans is possible and I know many methods how to do it, but this is not the right time to go into it. “On the matter of the seriousness or otherwise of NB, read the Wikipedia entry on Dugin here. The NB currency today is clearly much debased. But it is still in circulation, and in that respect is likely no less valid for us to examine than, say, American WN!” - In general American WN is healthy and intelligent movement, whereas NB is insane to the core. We can certainly examine e.g. NB and al-Qaeda from the outside, but not let their members be the main posters in serious nationalist sites. “Constantin trails behind him a certain risk factor, it’s true, and the experiment may end here. But I am looking for an opening to European thought, and his presence here is a gesture in that direction.” Goodbye to the experiment. Trails behind him a certain risk factor? Constantin is 100% risk certainty. There are plenty of good possible openers to choose from; BNP members, Vlaams Belang members, France’s National Front members, Sverige Demokraterna members etc. Why not contact these parties? “Revolution is an elite activity, and requires not grotesque Finland Station rabble-rousing but the creation of intellectual momentum.” - To those who don’t know: This refers to this, and Lenin did not rabble rouse at the station: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlyandsky_Rail_Terminal That resembles the old communist trick: Choose a subject that about 90% or more of readers don’t know of. Create a double meaning; the reality and impression to many that it refers metaphorically and negatively to your opponent. Leave the necessary clarifying and double meaning eliminating words away, in this instance connecting that Finland Station to Lenin. If the opponent don’t say anything, you convey negative message about him to others without opposition. If opponent protests something, you refer to the reality, proclaim how hurt you are because of these unjustified accusations, proclaim how innocent you are and accuse your opponent of paranoia, unreasonable hostility etc. You win either way. If this done in the aftermath of some incident, where your opponent have said some possible suspicions (even if conditional), the opponent is more ready to protest the double meaning. When you accuse him of paranoia, you also discredit his former possible suspicions; they were also paranoia. Audience sees a pattern in that, it seems to them that the opponent has an inclination to paranoia. This discredits his history, present and future. You win with big bonuses. Steve Edwards: “In the latter, Constantine is as mad as a bat. “National Bolshevism” is not something that can be patiently argued with to its end, like “liberalism” can. It’s a psychosis. It’s a tragic series of vodka-induced rants, shout-fests, table-banging, and no doubt some scruffles, by a group of excitable underemployed youths who seem to be lacking a clear purpose in life.” - I agree, but I add. In Russia there is a tradition to this. All kinds of strange, mystical, mysterious, exciting, spiritual, crazy and/or aggressive movements. They often make sudden profound changes; this year nationalists, next year internationalists, this year peace, next year war, today friends with those, tomorrow their enemies today atheist materialist, tomorrow devout Christians. Their leaders are noisy and colorful, and often it is hard to tell who really leads these movements. They often take small bribes from here and there, to do this and that in crazy and contradicting combinations. It is often hard to tell if they are part of some large secret conspiracy. They are full of drama, romance, tragedies, humor, violence, plots and counterplots, battles, networks, coalitions and thrill. These movements often compete fiercely. Often even if they have three members, their leaders talk like dictators who own the world. Their programs often roam in the highest imagination. If you are a Christian waiting Jesus’ second coming, well, Russia has a couple of them right now. And reincarnation of Hitler too, of course. These movements create possibility for Russians to vent their angers and frustrations. They create excitement to otherwise dull lifes, both to members and outsiders watching, talking and speculating about them. They create at least an illusion of possibility to influence otherwise stiff and stagnant society, and more than that, illusion of world power and being part of divine heavenly plan. Most of them are fairly harmless. But sometimes from this basic foam rises serious and often dangerous movements. Maguire: “The more serious ‘bridging problem’ is moving folks into local activism on their home blocks, and using the skills they already possess. .... Until this one is solved the pro-white movement must remain an atomized empire of the mind.” - Exactly. PS. I liked PF’s GLOBO-IMPERIALISM NB parody. 88
Posted by GT on September 09, 2007, 02:34 AM | # schaum, “How could Putin purge even this small group without a civil war—ending not in the genocide of Jews but their permanent takeover, with U.S. backing, Maguire and GT cannot explain.” I think you’ve misunderstood Maguire’s description of the problem. I’ve always believed that the key to Europe and Russia’s salvation lies in the United States. 89
Posted by Paul of Metatarsus on September 09, 2007, 02:53 AM | # I don’t in the least mind being censored - and effectively misquoted therefore - by the Torygraph. I was too and I hadn’t written very much. It’s part and parcel of being an unspeakable arch-fascist, of course. But it’s very nice to know that barefoot holymen of the internet, such as your good self, are watching over my puny efforts to direct thinking Englishmen in the right direction. I am a bit puzzled about the Kershaw quote. Do you think I have a drink problem? How could you not? Kershaw’s mentor John Peel also lived far from the ethnic diversity he extolled. Hypocrisy may a necessary part of the liberal condition. 90
Posted by Scimitar on September 09, 2007, 03:21 AM | # @Maguire, Here in the South, Cuba had long been the apple of our eye; the Pearl of the Antilles. During the 1850s, private filibusters tried to take it. Unfortunately, Cuba is full of Spanish-speaking, racially-mixed Cubans, so we had to give them their independence in the Platt Amendment. I still regret that decision. I dream of the day when Americans will fall out of love with liberalism and put their own racial house in order (expulsion of the Jew, repatriation of the non-white). We have some unfinished business that needs to be taken care of. - First, I would reaffirm the Monroe Doctrine and withdraw the United States from all globalist institutions: the IMF, World Bank, NATO, U.N. I would especially enjoy kicking the U.N. out of New York - seeing the Zambias and Zimbabwes complain about our repudiation of “human rights” would be hilarious. All American military forces outside of the Western hemisphere would be withdrawn. All foreign aid and protection to that “shitty little country” would be terminated. That violin from Schindler’s List would be queued up in the halls of Congress. - Second, I strongly suspect that the worst elements here in the U.S. (yes, I am speaking of the Jews here) will have fled by then across our northern border into Canada. Hence, the need for Stage Two: the liberation of Canada. The liberation of Canada would entail the de-liberalization of that country, instruction in the principles of racialism or EGI, the explusion of its Jews, the repatriation of its non-white minorities, and it becoming a protectorate of the United States. I would drag Canadians kicking and screaming to this state of affairs if I had to, but it would be for their own good in the long run, so it would be justified. - Third, we have some old scores to settle with Mexico. I would take its oil fields and Baja California to compensate for all the headaches its illegal aliens have caused us over the past thirty years. - Fourth, I would declare a “War on Communism,” attack, and annex Cuba as an American territory. This would be part one in the conquest of the Caribbean. - Fifth, I would dispatch a military expedition to take control of the Panama Canal Zone. - Sixth, I would use all the confiscated assets of Hollywood to sanitize American culture and rebuild racial consciousness. Imagine a remake of “Triumph of the Will” instead of “Spiderman” for a change. Last but not least, I would make one exception to my principle of non-interference outside the Western hemisphere. The Mugabes and Mbekis in Zimbabwe and South Africa would be bombed into the Stone Age by the USAF and U.S. Navy. Whites would be put back in charge of those countries. They would be declared U.S. protectorates like Canada. It might be necessary to liberate Australia and New Zealand. I’m not sure. Hopefully, our success would have inspired similar movements abroad by then. 91
Posted by X-Ray Vision on September 10, 2007, 07:58 AM | # Hi all, I am an avid reader of White Nationalist sites. I am doing research on the themes, motivations and personal profiles. After the Konstantin von Hoffmesiter and BNF I wanted to give my assessment of MR and other sites. American Renaissance - Based on Jared Taylor and his reports - Color of Crime. Birdman & Civic Platform - Both John Bryant and F Braun seem to take much pride in their German pedigree. Combat-18/Skrewdriver - A youngish audience and lacks substance - too many hails. David Duke - He seems to have cleaned up his KKK redneck image - suits for Klan regalia. Jew Watch - A bit amateurish and sloppy - the author cited Bill Gates as a Jew instead of Larry Ellison and Steve Ballmer on a list of billionaires? Judicial Inc - Tries to be comprehensive - always provides supplimentary infomation. National Vanguard - Comprehensive but limited to America. Skadi - More of a Purist Nordicist and Neo-Paganist site than about WN. Stormfront - Has a large following. Vdare - Has a large following. On the whole I rate MR as the most comprehensive and most diverse - Americans, Brits, Australians, North Europeans and Afrikaners. Though I think diversity has its problems. Most Americans WN see their enemy as white Liberals (Communists) and Jews. On the contra on the European continent many in Germany and Austria see the enemy as neo-liberal capitalism and globalisation which they trace to Judeo-America. They also have gripes about WWII. I have seen this even on mainstream blogs that are not even WN. Further unlike Combat-18 the audience of MR seems to be quit old. Tommy G mentioned he has grand children. Nick T. said he saw action in Angola as a mercenary in 1963 - I think he meant the 1970s? I remember the South African Defence force (SADF) invaded Angola in 1975 and nearly reached the capital but that was in 1975 and again in the 1980s. Secondly I note that one prolific poster on MR (Fred Scrooby) has some Jewish blood - that is a puzzle since he/she is very anti-Jewish. I don’t know how other posters feel about this. I don’t think Fred would be welcome at Judicial-Inc where the feeling is Jews are active to make WN groups look really nasty like Frank Collins (Cohen?) or Ben Klassen thereby legislate for tighter gun control laws - their view not mine. They/he/she even believes Eisenhower and Rockwell were Jews. X-Ray Vision 92
Posted by Tommy G on September 10, 2007, 08:42 AM | # “Further unlike Combat-18 the audience of MR seems to be quit old. Tommy G mentioned he has grand children.” X-Ray, LOL. FYI, I’ll turn the ripe old age of 48 this November. That may seem old to someone in their teens or early twenties…but let me say this: I have friends in their thirties who are grandparents. It all depends on how young one starts his or her family. Also, I should NOT be considered one of the regular posters at MR. Most that post here are learned, and post well thought out analysis of the subjects. At best, all I’ve contributed is a few flippant comments. 93
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 10, 2007, 10:34 AM | # I’m pro-Jewish. I’m anti a lot of the stunts Jews pull and anti the Euro retards who are so stupid they let them pull them. 94
Posted by Tommy G on September 10, 2007, 11:38 AM | # “ISRAEL SHOCK AS NEO-NAZI GANG BUSTED… “ I found it on Drudge ... but what to make of it? All are immigrants from Russia. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480860&in_page_id=1770 95
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 10, 2007, 12:29 PM | # @X-Ray Vision: MR isn’t a WN site. It’s a normal site, a place where normal people who see clearly something’s dreadfully wrong can congregate and ask what in the goddamn hell is going on. That’s all. Amren isn’t anti-black, anti-Moslem, or anti-Hispanic. “[Some see David Duke as] too focused on the JQ.” They may be right. Vdare isn’t a WN site at all. 96
Posted by Proofreader on September 10, 2007, 02:40 PM | # There’s all sorts of people here, from liberals to conservatives, from anarcho-capitalists to monarchists. 97
Posted by Friedrich Braun on September 11, 2007, 06:22 PM | # “Some posters don’t even consider the English Germanic enough but one poster calls himself Norman Blood - he is really French-Canadian.” Since the English don’t consider themselves Germanic, I can’t see why anyone else would. 98
Posted by M.Lentini on September 11, 2007, 07:03 PM | # “Friedrich Braun” is the Boffmeister. You have to imagine Renner chatting it up with Boffy behind the scenes. In that hideous lispy German sprach. Why doesn’t anyone else realize this is all grotesque self-indulgence? 99
Posted by New racialist on October 03, 2007, 02:01 AM | # Scimitar wrot, “OTOH, you have the guttersnipe, pushy, negative, chauvinistic, anti-intellectual “with us or against us,” pitchfork anti-foreigner, “authentic,” aggressive, smallminded yokel, chest beating, bigoted version which is utterly noxious, repulsive to most whites with an IQ over 110.” Good point. Hitler is perhaps the best example of this type of Nationalist. 100
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 02, 2007, 10:39 PM | # Further to my comment of Sept. 8, 3:41 PM:
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How much of this is because of actions taken by ‘Putin’, and how much of the relief was due to the coincidence of higher global oil and gas prices during his tenure?
Posted by Guessedworker on September 06, 2007, 02:04 PM | #
“Russia is everything, the rest is nothing!”
This is OK to tell the man sitting next to you on the Moscow Metro, if you must. But declaim it in London or Rome and you will be at war, since once absolute values escape from the confines of enthy they morph effortlessly into aggression and supremacism. Indeed, the difficulty with all politically collectivist ideology is that it never takes accounts of another man’s truth - and eventually his right to life. Thus the gentle appeal of Salter’s Universal Nationalism, which he specifically proposes in opposition to chauvinistic nationalism.
Universal Nationalism is founded, modestly, on adaptive living. It is tied to Nature, not to the power politics of wild-eyed men. Thus, under it “ethnic self-rule is advantageous for optimizing the general good. The universal nationalist puts his or her own ethny first, but also respects the autonomy of other peoples.” It puts tolerance in its proper box, and thereby guards against liberalism’s dangers as wholly and well as it does against M. Chauvin’s.
Of course, it also accords with the limited ambitions of a conservative heart like mine, one that instinctively recoils from “glory” and all the big race-talk of those who still dwell on failed 19th and 20th Century philosophies.