A New Song

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 12:46 PM | #

To my ear, these are the lyrics (please correct any mistakes):
______

We’ve come a long way now.
Ten years ago whoever thought this could be!
We got through somehow,
And every step of the journey, you were all there next to me!

There have been times when I thought we couldn’t get through,
So nationalists of Britain, this is for you:

Brothers in the war,
Fighting for love and freedom in the face of adversity,
We’re like boats in the storm
Facing the waves of lies to set our people free!

We carried on through all the ups and downs
To claim back our cities and our towns!

Facing closed doors,
Trying at every turn to make the people see.
They said we’d fail for sure;
We stood there alongside you, there’s nowhere I’d rather be!

I know for sure we’ve still got far to go,
But we won’t give up!  Oh no!

The struggle carries on!
We’ve still got far to go; the end’s nowhere in sight.
As a people we are strong!
You can never be a hero if you’re not prepared to fight!

We’ve come so far, we’ve fought the battles through,
And nationalists of Britain it’s thanks to you!

Posted by Red Mercury on June 11, 2009, 03:31 PM | #

Cheese. But at least it’s not rap.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 11, 2009, 04:02 PM | #

No sense of drama, no sense of history.  I often wonder why people who can sing a bit think they can also think and write.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 04:39 PM | #

Don’t listen to Red Mercury or Guessedworker, Joey.  You’ve written an extremely good song, and sung it extremely well too.

The BNP’s victory was a shot heard round the world.  Joey’s song reminds me of another victory song written by Emerson, about a battle his grandfather had fought in, sung to the following hymn tune:

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/l/allpeopl.htm

Concord Hymn

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.

The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.

On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set to-day a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, our sons are gone.

Spirit, that made those heroes dare,
To die, and leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 04:41 PM | #

GW, you’re getting grouchy.  What’s come over you lately?  It seems nothing pleases you any more, nothing’s good enough.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 06:05 PM | #

Oh brother, here we go again.  How come the other side doesn’t get clowns like this?  How come it’s only we who get saddled with them?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 06:06 PM | #

Or maybe this is the other side, as has already been conjectured.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 11, 2009, 06:08 PM | #

Oh jesus, you again, Prideful!

Fred, I just want - no, expect - the best, the very best in everything from them.  I’ll give them more time.  But they have to begin the professionalisation process once the money is there.  In all sorts of ways.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 06:20 PM | #

GW, “VNN Pride’s” latest outburst there just above really does need to be erased.  There’s a limit.

Posted by Captainchaos on June 11, 2009, 06:30 PM | #

They might be better off recycling Screwdriver.

Posted by Wandrin on June 11, 2009, 06:39 PM | #

Oh brother, here we go again.  How come the other side doesn’t get clowns like this?

Lol. They do. 1001 varieties of clown and nutcase.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 11, 2009, 06:40 PM | #

“Fred, I just want - no, expect - the best, the very best in everything from them.”  (—GW)

OK.  You

want

...

expect

...

will accept

... demand only the very best.  That’s reasonable — keep them on their toes.  Well, ... but ... how about ... the miraculous?  Will that do?  Because make no mistake — Earth to Guessedworker — THAT’S WHAT THEY’VE JUST PULLED OFF.

GW, don’t be too harsh a taskmaster at the beginning.  That can kill spirit, nip it in the bud.  Look at this talented young campaign volunteer, Joey Smith — do you want to throw cold water on his zeal???  The man’s as dedicated to The Cause as anyone on the planet, that’s clear.  With his young help and the help of thousands more like him they’ve just fired a cannon shot across the Establishment’s bow (if not sounded the Establishment’s death knell), a shot (or a death knell) heard round the world!  A great shot!  A magnificent shot!  I was deliriously happy for days afterward.  I’m still walking on clouds!  Let them bask in their well-deserved glory five minutes, man!  And will you be more forebearing in your corrections and criticisms lest you unjustly deflate the most sincere, honest, invaluable enthusiasm ever seen in the annals of modern politics.  That’s a treasure.  It doesn’t grow on trees.  For heaven’s sake give them a chance, man!

Posted by Guessedworker on June 11, 2009, 07:30 PM | #

Prideful,

I believe you mean all that, and are truly convinced of it.  There is no point whatever in debating with you.

I am asking you, therefore, to post at VNN or Stormfront, both of which, as you know, are more aligned with such convictions.  Here, you will only cause offence.

Go in peace.  You have not been IP-banned.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 11, 2009, 07:38 PM | #

Fred,

Old NF types aside, the party is made up of respectable working men ... in military terms the non-commissioned officer class.  They are good people, they can travel so far.  But they can’t fight Cameron.  In the American sense, they don’t have the class.

That’s what I want them to acquire.  That’s what I mean when I say they must attract the educated middle-classes because THEY are the political class.  They are the ones who actually run this country.  They are indispensable to serious part politics.

Posted by Captainchaos on June 11, 2009, 07:51 PM | #

GW,

Honestly, besides “electability”, what do you suppose Griffin’s preferred British future is?  Do you believe he is a crypto-fascist hoping to ushering in some kind of Britishized version of NS?  If that is the case, bourgeois Brits may be too inherently anti-revolution contra his ethno-collectivist vision of renewal and strength to form the leadership class of the Party, and thereby society.  Then again, he could just take them for a ride like he is apparently attempting to do with the Jews.

Posted by a Finn on June 11, 2009, 10:30 PM | #

Touching song. I especially liked the non-plastic, non-glitter quality of it.

No CC, Bnp is not fascist. I hoped you know by now.

GW, could you also expect the best, the very best from commenters here also, and if they are the worst, the very worst, like the VNN pride, you immediately give them glorious sunrise kick and ban.

Posted by Red Mercury on June 11, 2009, 11:39 PM | #

No real harm meant by my comment. I appreciate Joey’s effort. But honestly, this song makes Soren’s haiku (sp?) experiments (or whatever the hell they are) look good in comparison. 

Posted by Bona Fide on June 12, 2009, 05:48 AM | #

Posted by VNN Pride on June 11, 2009, 10:16 PM | #

“We should NOT be fighting or scapegoating the Moslem people. I support all righteous Moslems, whether they live in Europe or live abroad. Like it or not, the Moslems are the only people ACTIVELY FIGHTING against organised Jewry, and they should therefore be wholeheartedly supported”

Posted by Guessedworker on June 11, 2009, 11:38 PM | #

“That’s what I want them to acquire.  That’s what I mean when I say they must attract the educated middle-classes because THEY are the political class.  They are the ones who actually run this country.  They are indispensable to serious part politics”

It is the educated middle class that are turning to Islam.

Posted by Leon Haller on June 12, 2009, 09:33 AM | #

“We should NOT be fighting or scapegoating the Moslem people. I support all righteous Moslems, whether they live in Europe or live abroad. Like it or not, the Moslems are the only people ACTIVELY FIGHTING against organised Jewry, and they should therefore be wholeheartedly supported.”

The level of stupidity this comment reveals is breathtaking, though I suspect it is genuine (ie not the verbal diarrhea of some ADL plant). Listen, you NAZI asshole, it is people like you (and that ass at the Holocaust Museum - itself a grotesque insult to us real Americans, admittedly, but that’s another issue) who have so massively retarded the cause of white racial preservation. First, you are ignorant: Islam is the eternal enemy of the West, as well as the chief ideological cover for the coming global war of racial annihilation directed at whites (note I say ‘whites’ not Aryans, because our modern, non-white racial enemies do not distinguish between Jews and Aryans in their hatred for both groups). The Muslim is the battering ram destroying Europe, through passive demographics, and active terrorism. There can be no alliance with Muslims, as they are the fastest growing demographic in the world, while our race is shrinking rapidly, and, in their fundamentalist guise, literally insane; in other words, they have no need to ally with us. They are coming to conquer us. They lust after power, initially, to steal the white man’s wealth and women, and eventually, to preside over the eternal darkness of an Islamic planet. No self-respecting European could ever tolerate Islam. It is profoundly alien to our minds, and utterly lacking in any joy or appreciation of that which makes life worth living.

Second, Islam, however, meaning militant opposition to it, is the key to the West’s survival. Why? As I have long observed, Western Man is Ethical Man. If he is to survive, he must have a universally valid justification (to satisfy his own ethicality, esp in adopting the hard, coercive measures which, physically, practically, are necessary for white racial survival; please, let no one imagine our race is going to endure without some applications of force, somewhere, even if done legally: eg, a nationalist government rounding up aliens for deportation; some will resist violently, at which point we must be prepared to shoot them). For the moment, for most whites as a sociological matter, racialist opposition to merely passive, State-allowed/encouraged race-replacement is not seen to be ethically acceptable, esp if it should involve violence. Many whites may dislike immigration, multiculturalism, etc, but they lack an ethical philosophy justifying their “prejudices”. We may oppose race-mixing, for example, but if those two people love each other ... who are we, most whites will say, to outlaw their attachment? I have a different view of ethics, and find it perfectly appropriate for a community to enact race-preservationist laws. But, again, at this historical juncture, most of my fellow whites disagree, while meanwhile each day we lose our homelands a little more, with the time in which to recover them running out ....

Islam changes this paralytic situation, precisely because it is a religion/ideology, and one historically hostile and confrontational towards Christianity. It is much easier to form an acceptable ethical justification for confrontation with Islam, than with black America, or hispanic immigrants, let alone with world Jewry. Islam and Muslim immigrants constitute the chief threat to Europe; they are also the easiest threat against which to develop an ethic of militant resistance. We in the West can either believe in God, or not. If no God, then no ethics, at least applied outside tribal bounds. But if we believe in God (as most white Americans in fact do), then that God is usually the Christian one. Thus, in opposing Islam, we can pose as defenders of Christ and His Church. That is a very powerful place to be, far more so than that occupied by whites who merely are racists not wanting to be integrated with blacks (not that there’s anything wrong with that, either, but the ethical justification is neither as strong nor as obvious).

But if we could get vast numbers of whites militantly confrontational with Islam, that aroused fury could easily then be turned in other directions ... The point is that the West is dying because the white man has lost his racial will, which in turn is due to ethical confusion. But once the white man can be induced to “come out fighting”, again, that newly, re-martialized spirit can be expected to carry over into other zones of racial conflict ... What is needed is that initial spark leading towards the revivification of white will, said spark, however, needing an ethical grounding, so to speak, which Islam preeminently provides.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 12, 2009, 09:40 AM | #

In just two days Joey’s “Victory Song ‘09” has gone from zero to over four thousand views on YouTube.

Posted by q on June 12, 2009, 05:12 PM | #

The Muslim is the battering ram destroying Europe, through passive demographics, and active terrorism. There can be no alliance with Muslims, as they are the fastest growing demographic in the world, while our race is shrinking rapidly, and, in their fundamentalist guise, literally insane; in other words, they have no need to ally with us. They are coming to conquer us.

True. All one has to do to picture the future of Europe, is study what recently happened to the Christians in Lebanon.

Posted by Wandrin on June 12, 2009, 06:27 PM | #

VNN Pride,

Bear in mind things are different in Europe. In America muslims are only a small proportion of the invaders being invited into your country. In Europe muslims make up the majority of the invaders. They’re like our version of Hispanics.

Posted by VNN Pride on June 12, 2009, 07:08 PM | #

Why can’t you Europeans have real leaders like George Lincoln Rockwell, Bill White, and David Duke? Instead you have Zionist and neo-cohen clowns like Nick Griffin and Geert Wilders. No thanks.

Posted by Paul Revere on June 13, 2009, 03:40 AM | #

Your brothers in the United States are watching.  Many are asleep to the rest of the world, and the evil that is being perpetrated.  But we are not.  We are with you.  Do not give up.  There is an unpleasant suprise brewing for the traitors of civilization.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 13, 2009, 11:16 AM | #

I’ve just watched Joey’s video for the dozenth or so time, and I can say I LOVE this song and I LOVE the particular way he sings it in the video.  I agree completely with A Finn’s comment.  I LOVE his simplicity, lack of anything whatsoever plastic, gimmicky, glittery.  It’s straight-from-the-heart total honesty, sincerity, and dedication.  I LOVE THIS SONG AND HIS WAY OF SINGING IT.  I can see it becoming an anthem for our side.

And as Joey says, The Struggle Carries On!

Joey:  you’ve created a GREAT song and video!

Posted by Bill on June 13, 2009, 03:41 PM | #

I’ve just listened to Joey’s anthem for the first time, I like it!

The lyrics are secondary here, it’s the imaginative drum beat allied to an evocative haunting theme that inspires a vision of an unstoppable force progressing to victory.

The result digs deep into the British spirit of resolve against all odds.

Pity there is no chorus which could turn this into an anthem to inspire thousands on the march.

Maybe it will anyway.

Eat your heart out Billy Bragg.

Congratulations Joey and to your team.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 13, 2009, 04:50 PM | #

“Pity there is no chorus which could turn this into an anthem to inspire thousands on the march.”  (—Bill)

The orchestration can certainly be re-done to include something like that.  Not that there’s anything lacking in the piece’s orchestration as it stands — it’s perfect — but if something more “large-scale,” more “monumental,” is needed for some situation, its orchestration certainly could be adjusted without sacrificing anything.

Posted by Tanstaafl on June 13, 2009, 07:43 PM | #

It was a great pleasure listening to this song. I’m wondering what alternate pro-White pro-nationalist universe others who criticize it are living in.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 13, 2009, 08:12 PM | #

It was a great pleasure listening to this song. I’m wondering what alternate pro-White pro-nationalist universe others who criticize it are living in.

A musical one, Tan.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 13, 2009, 11:16 PM | #

Here is a little more background on Joey Smith:

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/victory-’09-–-joey-smith’s-latest-song/#idc-ctools .

It says he has a CD out with several additional patriotic songs on it. 

(Notice the thread comments underneath the linked article, by the way:  uniformly very favorable opinions of Joey’s “Victory Song ‘09.”)

Posted by Bill on June 14, 2009, 01:41 AM | #

I’ve just watched this video again, and again.  For me, it has everything, the whole package hits the spot - Bulls Eye.  (Gritty northern towns)

It does what it says on the tin, but it’s Joey’s voice that is the clincher.

Go and read the comments on the BNP website.

Posted by James Bowery on June 14, 2009, 11:34 AM | #

I think GW has a real point that maybe he could have expressed more properly:

The folk music and lyrics of the British are, like British humor, among the, if not the greatest of the world.  It should be a centerpiece of any British National movement.  I include British rock in this genre as, apparently, does the BNP as evidenced by their recent conflict with Pink Floyd’s pianist over the use of that band’s rock music to promote the BNP.  The fact that musical genius is so often accompanied by political idiocy and ingratitude among the sons and daughters of Britain is no excuse.  Britain’s treasures have been claimed by others but they are still Britain’s.

Posted by q on June 14, 2009, 11:52 AM | #

Joey Smith at the very least deserves an “A” for effort.

Posted by James Bowery on June 14, 2009, 12:03 PM | #

Here’s an idea:

The BNP should hold a poetry contest for new lyrics for “Get Back”

Posted by Guessedworker on June 14, 2009, 01:01 PM | #

Thanks, James.  It’s about poetry and musicality, that’s all.  This is what a good band can do with whiskey:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wml3V-maDeA

And this is what Steve Knightley can do with Tony Blair:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=andAg5RnC8g

This is the business.

Posted by Bill on June 14, 2009, 01:57 PM | #

GW. This resistance is coming from the grass roots of the working class, it is the music of the Kop, it’s a working class anthem from the terraces of legend.

Is this unique in our history. or does Britain have a history of peasant revolt.

Perhaps it was genius that Griffin recognised this simmering cauldron and latched on to it. 

Does nationalism belong to the working class?

I just did a quick Wiki for Peterloo, I hope that isn’t an omen.

Anyway, 2.58 in.

The banshee howl of anguish with outstretched arms appealing for divine interference from the leaden skies (over Burnley or Oldham or Accrington?) blows me away. (as they say)

Posted by Dúnadan on June 14, 2009, 02:28 PM | #

The song is great. I can’t believe you are critizicing it. Is critic the only way of expression that you know?
Fred Scrooby: Thanks for the lyrics

Nick Griffin is a brilliant person and the BNP is great. Any reasonable White would support it. I hope you think twice before critizicing Nick Griffin. The BNP is actually a model that every Western nationalist party should follow. I mean, they have some success after all.

Posted by q on June 14, 2009, 02:45 PM | #

Nice music, GW.  John Barleycorn (must die) is the best work by one of the best bands of their era (imho). You have high standards, for sure!

Posted by Wandrin on June 14, 2009, 02:46 PM | #

The self-conscious working class is much smaller than it used to be and may not be big enough on it’s own to defeat the enemy. I think it’s important to bear that in mind. I think it’s right for the BNP to take the working class route first but at some point they will probably need to branch out to draw in more middle class support. Alternatively they might create enough room and legitimacy for a more polished nationalist party to form in more middle class areas.

Class in England may not be as big a deal as it used to be but it’s still there under the surface. I could imagine two separate parties: a nationalist version of Labour and a nationalist version of Tory both expanding in their respective heartlands at the expense of their treachorous versions.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 14, 2009, 02:53 PM | #

Bill: Does nationalism belong to the working class?

It isn’t nationalism.  It is nativism, and it belongs to the native people of England - not to any particular class and not to “the British” - the latter because the Scots and Welsh are overwhelmingly convinced of the anti-English civic nationalisms (not nativisms) of the SNP and Plaid.

Dúnadan,

Questions about the party and about certain of its key personnel, including Nick, abound.  You know that.  The success is really, really welcome.  The energy and committment from the activist base, and the courage, is terrific.  But party supporters should never become a football crowd reacting with oohs and aahs to every move.  Read the comment threads on the website, though, and you will see that is precisely what is happening.  Criticism may not be to your liking.  There is a vast task ahead, and no sign, amid the lock-down on indisciplined talk, that it is properly understood.  As a non-member I have the freedom to talk about that task - the replacement of liberalism and its elites, and the complete (and I mean complete) reclamation of England - and the right to wonder whether this is what we are going to get.

As for the song, I have not managed to listen through the whole thing.  Too cheesy for my tastes.

Posted by Trainspotter on June 14, 2009, 03:19 PM | #

I’ve just watched Joey’s video for the dozenth or so time, and I can say I LOVE this song and I LOVE the particular way he sings it in the video.  I agree completely with A Finn’s comment.  I LOVE his simplicity, lack of anything whatsoever plastic, gimmicky, glittery.  It’s straight-from-the-heart total honesty, sincerity, and dedication.  I LOVE THIS SONG AND HIS WAY OF SINGING IT.  I can see it becoming an anthem for our side.

And as Joey says, The Struggle Carries On!

Joey:  you’ve created a GREAT song and video!

(Fred Scrooby)

Agreed.  Joey is doing this from the heart, and it shows.  As time goes on, sure, we’ll be able to add more production value to things like this.  But for this particular time and space, with our resources meager and threadbare, a simple from the heart video like this is fantastic.  Keep ‘em coming, Joey.  And for what it’s worth, Joey has the voice and the “look” to do far more.  More money for production value in the future will be great, but Joey can carry even a simple vid.  Not many people could.  Hope to hear more from him. 

This song captures perfectly what and where we are right now - nary a pot to piss in just a week ago, but a lot of heart, a lot of determination, and an abiding love for our people.  From across the pond, great job Joey!

Posted by Dúnadan on June 14, 2009, 03:26 PM | #

Party supporters should never become a football crowd reacting with oohs and aahs to every move.  Read the comment threads on the website, though, and you will see that is precisely what is happening.  Criticism may not be to your liking.  There is a vast task ahead, and no sign, amid the lock-down on indisciplined talk, that it is properly understood.  As a non-member I have the freedom to talk about that task - the replacement of liberalism and its elites, and the complete (and I mean complete) reclamation of England - and the right to wonder whether this is what we are going to get.

That’s true, supporters should not become like that. But you don’t have to criticize absolutely everything, some things are just ok. And it’s not the same to say “I apreciate your effort, Joey Smith, but you may improve this and that things”, than “This is crap, get out of here”. He is doing his best, he is trying to inspire the people to keep supporting the party.
All I’m saying is that it’s ok to critic as long as you praise the good things, including the efforts.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 14, 2009, 03:28 PM | #

With all respect, GW, is this the time to be criticising the BNP?  I always felt uneasy before when you did it, but now!  Now, after this, what can only be called miracle, when I feel like getting down on my knees every five minutes and thanking Providence, I positively cringe when you do it.  This is what we’ve been dreaming of for nine years!  We’ve got it now, the beginning we’ve wanted more than anything!  And you’re going to find fault?  You’ve got to cut them a little slack.  Can’t you let those newly elected take up their positions at least, and see how they perform, before you disapprove?  We’ve GOT TO stand behind our own, GW.  We’ve got to demonstrate solidarity with those who’ve given their all, given every thing they have, to fight for us.  Don’t spit on our hope.  The battle isn’t over yet, it’s only begun.  In Flanders the Vlaams Belang just unexpectedly lost eleven seats I think it was, after seeming impregnable the last couple of years (the Belgian media froze them out of air time during the campaign apparently).  We want the number of BNP seats in the EP to go to four, not back down to zero.  Is this the time for solidarity or finding fault?

Posted by Guessedworker on June 14, 2009, 05:53 PM | #

Fred,

I have on my shelves a particular book about the long campaign conducted by RAF Bomber Command from 1939 to 1945 and the aircrews who fought it.  In the last chapter the author writes, “One of the benign side effects of the strategic bombing campaign was that it produced a crop of outstanding literature, as powerful as anything that emerged from the trenches.”  He then singles out three aircrew memoirs, one of which happens to be by my Dad.

I’ve got a pretty educated nose for the English national aesthetic.  I expect its narrative to be drawn from our long and wholly idiosyncratic life on this land and on the symbol of our nation, which is the sea.  I expect its imagery to be so close to us we can almost reach out and touch it, and its emotional tenor so uplifting it robs us of words.  A national art should gesture to the past which lives in our hearts and to the present which is still in our hands, if we did but know it.  I expect to find wisdom, virtue, love.  All this, I think, is normal for a successful exposition of the English self in art.

If it is too much to ask, then I hope it is only too much today, while the movement is so thinly manned and so unattended by high talent and intellect.  But if we are to survive here and take back what is ours, we will need a national aesthetic that is as powerful and as true as anything in England’s artistic past - excepting that it might be too much to demand that the new Bard is as incomparable as the old.

Posted by q on June 14, 2009, 06:17 PM | #

Politics in the West is all sown up. Jews contol it, period, end of story.

Go home, have a beer, and watch some girly sports on TV such as soccer.

Posted by Raskolnikov on June 14, 2009, 07:25 PM | #

I hate to say it, but GW is right, the song is rather limp and uninspiring, although I respect Joey for trying and it is better than anything I could manage.
I thought the songs that GW posted really show the power of folk music.  Bob Dylan said folk music turns everyone into a believer; it is a very potent political tool, and in these times of deculturalisation, well-written patriotic folk-music would be a wonderful way of getting young people in touch with what is good, innocent and decent, and turning them on to their own history and people. It is a shame that at the moment it is the devil (the left) that has all the best tunes in this regard—for instance the folk-rock of bands like the Levellers, whom I loved growing up, and who’s folky passion still has the ability to touch me more than Joey’s stuff, sadly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DO32zgE5Vg

Posted by Trainspotter on June 14, 2009, 07:34 PM | #

I’ve got a pretty educated nose for the English national aesthetic.  I expect its narrative to be drawn from our long and wholly idiosyncratic life on this land and on the symbol of our nation, which is the sea.  I expect its imagery to be so close to us we can almost reach out and touch it, and its emotional tenor so uplifting it robs us of words.  A national art should gesture to the past which lives in our hearts and to the present which is still in our hands, if we did but know it.  I expect to find wisdom, virtue, love.  All this, I think, is normal for a successful exposition of the English self in art.

If it is too much to ask, then I hope it is only too much today, while the movement is so thinly manned and so unattended by high talent and intellect.  But if we are to survive here and take back what is ours, we will need a national aesthetic that is as powerful and as true as anything in England’s artistic past - excepting that it might be too much to demand that the new Bard is as incomparable as the old.

  (Guessedworker)

Powerful and convincing post.  And yet, perhaps, one might entertain the possibility that as we find our bearings, our voice, we might appreciate some of the more humble steps along the way.  Joey is now part of that, and he created something worthwhile.  I think we can admire Joey for a simple and clearly heartfelt song created at what for us is a historic moment.  The song itself acknowledges that we have far to go, the end is nowhere in sight.  And so it is for the movement as a whole.  This is just a beginning.  It is in fact the barest glimmer, the faintest stirring of a beginning.  Yet even if the BNP sold out this Tuesday, it wouldn’t change what has happened.  The fact remains that a solid white nationalist, openly seen as such by the public, won a significant public office in the English speaking world.  That has not happened in my lifetime.  Something has started, and I am thrilled. 

It is my sincerest hope that, many years from today, I can look back on this time as a meaningful milestone in the awakening of our people.  In my life, I’ve never been so happy with an electoral result, and Joey’s song will be a part of that memory.  I appreciate and admire his efforts, while not being unmindful of the points that you have made.

Posted by a Finn on June 15, 2009, 02:15 AM | #

GW: “If it is too much to ask, then I hope it is only too much today, while the movement is so thinly manned and so unattended by high talent and intellect.”

- Why do you then create the environment that favors, no, in practice compells this movement to be thinly manned and unattended by high talent and intellect? (See my later comments in Genetic Communism) Languishing yearning doesn’t lead anyhere, certain easy procedures does. As long as these matters are left unattended, I don’t automatically believe anything you say.

At least these guys are not immigrants:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTeUdvGQWo0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF9z25XBfu4&feature=related

I hope this guy and his friends does at least something good and real to Britain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_6e1A7gzA&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

Posted by a Finn on June 15, 2009, 02:32 AM | #

And it is strange you put up with this site. Think how much more fulfillingly you could use your time.

For example, when I say:

Fuck this site.

It is at least normal, but probably increases the quality of this site.

And I mean it.

Posted by a Finn on June 15, 2009, 03:53 AM | #

My knowledge informs me that the Jewish issue should be minimized or made more friendly towards Jews (especially the average Jews). Now this site just scares low IQ poor Jews who forever live in the backroom of Jiddische mamas. Other Jews, if they know about this site and are willing to waste their time, just laugh or read this site like trashy tabloid. But let’s take for a moment the side of the Jewish conspiracy theorists. They often create the most elaborate and huge theories from the smallest details. But how come they don’t notice the huge elephant before their eyes? Why is it that those pro-White sites that accept Jews or are friendly towards them are moderated and good quality, meaning that they can be linked anywhere with pride, although this doesn’t automatically mean that they are always right. And sites that criticize the Jews or are hostile towards them are almost always unmoderated or moderated only slightly, and are thus low quality. Links to them are like filthy dross. If a reasonable person finds something sensible in them and links that, he better pray hard that the person reading it doesn’t read anything else, comments or other articles.

Back to the theory laboratory, I guess.

Or huge pretending despite the cognitive dissonance that everything is alright.

Posted by a Finn on June 15, 2009, 04:57 AM | #

This site took a left turn on a red light long time go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhW8g_inE7Q&feature=related

Posted by Guessedworker on June 15, 2009, 06:50 AM | #

Finn,

So the Anglosphere-wide radical political and intellectual website you would launch to advocate European interests in an age of European demographic and political marginalisation would exclude ... what, precisely?  National Bolshevism and Eurasianism?  Yes, I think we know it would.  What else?  Duke’s grandstanding White Nationalism?  Taylor’s cautious race-realism?  What?  And will you only advocate your own ideology?  Will you accept criticism?  Will you change to accomodate it when it is just?

Finn, I do not know enough about the world.  I do not know nearly enough about the ideas that underpin it and our opposition to it.  I do not know enough about the ideas being propounded and effected by people striving, in fact, in my cause all over Europe and the English-speaking world.  I want to know.  I want to be open to these ideas, to weigh them, to take from them what I find valuable, and to arrive at a position that, while never final, offers light and hope.  I am not so foolish as to imagine that I am already at that position.  Are you?

You remind me a little of someone, a person I considered a close associate and for whom I had (and have) the greatest respect, who also grew intensely angry with MR and with me, though for a long time he was too gentlemanly to personalise his attack.  He also sabotaged threads here, and left then returned several times.  Like you, he used the comment facility to “prove” the iniquity of free comment.  He launched his own website which, though it had the comment facility immobilised, interested people because he is a brilliant man, and alarmed them too because he revealed a violence and coarseness of emotion they had not suspected.  Finally, without explanation or warning he made the site open only to some monastic group he had hand-picked, and left us in the cold.  I received a few requests from MR readers who wanted to be added to his approved list.  He spurned them.  I do not even know if there was an approved list.  I have never seen anyone reference that site since.  It is a loss.

MR’s eclecticism has always been a source of discomfort for some.  Hell, it even discomforts me sometimes.  J Richards posts on the Jewish Question drive me nuts.  He knows that, but if we can disagree as publicly as we do and still pursue our common interests it proves something.  And what it proves is that we are not, at heart, feuding brothers ... not if we act in good faith in our common cause.

There are, to borrow the old socialist rule, no enemies to our right.  Pass the word.

Posted by sing a song on June 15, 2009, 06:52 AM | #

Posted by Wandrin on June 12, 2009, 10:27 PM | #
VNN Pride,

“Bear in mind things are different in Europe. In America muslims are only a small proportion of the invaders being invited into your country. In Europe muslims make up the majority of the invaders. They’re like our version of Hispanics”

Invaders? You wish!

Posted by Leon Haller on June 12, 2009, 01:33 PM | #

“They are coming to conquer us”

You wish!

“They lust after power, initially, to steal the white man’s wealth and women”

Take your earths most ugly white women and keep them because in the PRACTICAL world “they” (european women) dont possess the beauty it takes “PRACTICAL BEAUTY” (and the evidence is all around to see including on this website LOL) but white european women are practical Jokers!.   

“No self-respecting European could ever tolerate Islam” 

Oh but you do tolerate and are tolerating Islam thats the heart/root of the problem. Plenty of non self- respecting europeans around. LOL.

“No self-respecting European could ever tolerate Islam. It is profoundly alien to our minds, and utterly lacking in any joy or appreciation of that which makes life worth living”

Ofcourse its alien to you because in the PRACTICAL world europeans are practical Jokers! European women certainly dont have it in the practical world, like the fantasy women they are they sure have it in the fantasy world called the west.

” Islam is the eternal enemy of the West”

I suppose Islam/muslims are responsible for when you run out of toilet paper in your bathroom too

“(note I say ‘whites’ not Aryans, because our modern, non-white racial enemies do not distinguish between Jews and Aryans in their hatred for both groups)”

Your welcome to aryan “I ran” it is a beffiting linguistic description of europeans

Posted by a Finn on June 15, 2009, 08:57 AM | #

What? 

- Clowns and trolls. Bad language and bad manners. People without substance and distracters.

“Will you accept criticism?”

- When I have said anything about criticism?

“Will you change to accomodate it when it is just?”

- Yes, if you can improve my position, i.e. falsify something in my position and offer better alternative. But this has nothing to do with policy and rules of the site. They can be constructed neutrally and with principles that can be seen to be fair and equitable to all.

“I want to be open to these ideas, to weigh them, to take from them what I find valuable, and to arrive at a position that, while never final, offers light and hope.  I am not so foolish as to imagine that I am already at that position.”

- That is why moderation is important. Intelligent contemplaters don’t come to a site where people e.g. constantly hurl invectives. They have many civilized and reasonable sites to choose on.

You are not a baby so you know this already.

For what it is worth I am also withholding information from this site because of it’s bad quality.

I have linked to this site and send it’s links. Comments about MR can be condensed to: “What a morons”. It doesn’t help much that there are something reasonable interposed here and there.

P.s. For every converted Silver (and it was long and hard process for him) there are thousands who fly away straight away. Even Silver seems to be in a strange position with all the nigger and kike words etc.

“... violence and coarseness of emotion they had not suspected.”

-  You are probably hoping to salvage your position by dragging emotions to the forefront and making it personal, thus hiding the vexing facts.

“It is a loss.”

- No, this site is already a loss.

“MR’s eclecticism has always been a source of discomfort for some.”

- No, MR’s open border nuthouse is a laughingstock to almost all, that is to those few who come here, mostly one time. If more, it is possible that they have twisted taste.

Because pro-European positions are so reviled in the media, it makes it more important that we follow gentleman rules in our language. Now the inane language in MR proves and strenghtens the media’s position in people’s minds. Do you want that?

“There are no enemies to our right.  Pass the word.”

- There are many morons to our right. This site itself has passed the word.

Posted by a Finn on June 15, 2009, 09:04 AM | #

I don’t agree with everything in this site, but there is always proper language:

http://www.anth.uconn.edu/faculty/sosis/publications/index.htm

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 15, 2009, 05:37 PM | #

Finn, Kevin MacDonald’s work is as scholarly as it gets yet no Jew on the planet is willing to accept it, quite the contrary — they’re all calling him the name which is their ultimate debate-stopper, “an anti-Semite.”  You can produce all the scholarly work you want, if it comes in a scholarly way to a scholarly conclusion Jews don’t like they’ll spit on it and call the scholar who painstakingly came up with it “an anti-Semite.”  It’s like the Italians in the U.S., they deny there’s any such thing as the mafia.  It’s ethnic circling of the wagons.  You’re not going to make a dent in it.  You’re a smart guy, Finn, a brilliant guy, but you don’t know Jews.  You’re a little like Jobling in that respect:  you and he think Jews are going to come over to opposition to race-replacement if no one says anything to spook them.  You’re wrong.  Jews are not going to come over to opposition to race-replacement.  Period.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 15, 2009, 05:40 PM | #

Jews see race-replacement as in their interest and oppostion to race-replacement as not in their interest.  It’s very simple.  What does that mean for Finland?  What does Finland have to do with Jews?  Answer:  if Finland has to do with a) the United States, or b) any country influenced by the United States, Finland has to do with Jews.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 15, 2009, 05:46 PM | #

This business about Jews being spooked by certain words or language is nonsense.  Jews are very tough people who don’t give two squats about “anti-Semitism” if something’s in their interest.  The Jewish overlords want Europe’s Islamization.  Does that fact sound like they’re spooked by “anti-Semitism”?  Won’t that make Europe “anti-Semitic”?  Well, apparently “anti-Semitism” doesn’t matter in this case, since the Jews want it.  How come they’re not spooked by it?  Because they don’t care about “anti-Semitism.”  They care about what’s in their interest, and they see the Islamization of Europe as very much in their interest.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 15, 2009, 08:09 PM | #

Joey’s got an extended dance remix of his song up on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-YlSOiPH84

The first two and a half minutes remind me of the Queen song “Radio Ga Ga” (something about the chord progression and background beat):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEI4U5KyAS0

I think this dance remix has the potential to become big and to spread from Britain to the Continent:  Belgium, Holland, Germany, Russia.  This could become very big.

Posted by q on June 15, 2009, 09:09 PM | #

Maybe the BNP should employ the producer of this video by the Kinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIzNmLDvb8&feature=related

Posted by a Finn on June 16, 2009, 12:01 AM | #

“Finn, Kevin MacDonald’s work is as scholarly as it gets yet no Jew on the planet is willing to accept it, quite the contrary ...”

- I have before me Kevin MacDonald’s Cultural Insurrections. From the back cover: Paul Gottfried: “Kevin MacDonald’s study of the Jewish people in sociobiological perspective will not likely help his career, for reasons having nothing to do with the author’s scholarship or his accumulation of pertinent evidence. There is shocking and brutal honesty shown by MacDonald in approaching his subject.”

I don’t claim that Gottfried accepts everything in MacDonald’s books.

But this is beside the point really. “To get all the Y to accept all the scholarly works of X scientist” is not a political goal. Politics consists mostly of giving small pieces of information and emotion why it is in the interest of the receiver to act in a certain way.

“It’s ethnic circling of the wagons.”

- All the ethnicities do this, the question is to what extent, what starts it and with what intensity, and how it can be influenced propitiously to both parties.

“... you and he think Jews are going to come over to opposition to race-replacement if no one says anything to spook them. ... Jews are not going to come over to opposition to race-replacement.”

- According to statistics about 50% of ordinary US Jews already oppose immigration. This opposition can be seen in mainstream Jewish web sites also. The bigger problem is the Jewish “elites”, as it is with European “elites”.

To spook is perhaps too strong word. To frighten Jews unnecessarily or to ignite unnecessary opposition reactions without proper utility describes it better. Good start would be to aim criticism more accurately where it belongs. No criticism of Jews as a block, but criticism of liberal Jews etc. To move ahead would be to separate legitimate from unacceptable agendas of liberal Jews, and to analyze the misconceptions attached to unacceptable agendas. Then to offer better alternatives. Etc.

“Jews see race-replacement as in their interest and oppostion to race-replacement as not in their interest.  It’s very simple.”

- Is it simple? I am sure this liberal Jewish lady thought it was all very simple and she had 3-4 simple and nice sounding maxims in her thoughts to guide her, e.g. “If we Jews are tolerant and accepting towards the whole world, then we will be accepted and tolerated too”:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1174046/Labour-Party-embroiled-race-row-candidate-told-white-Jewish-selected.html

Truth is, hell created by immigration awaits both Jews and Europeans, but the hell will be worse and more destructive to the Jews.

“The Jewish overlords want Europe’s Islamization. Does that fact sound like they’re spooked by “anti-Semitism”?”

- Fred, it is complex problem, with numerous mutually reinforcing trends coming together. The original reasons are in short increasing density of human populations in cities, increasing system complexity and increasing hierarchies. This creates countless divisions and separations of interests. E.g. tolerance ideology can be explained by cities, where different, often unknown people with different interests meet everyday in countless encounters. The ideolgy was developed to ensure that encounters don’t create conflicts and that profitable flows of people and things continue maximally. What started as useful pragmatism has grown into a self destructing mental illness with a process that involves multigenerational information and ideology transmission imperfections and failures.

Jews with their peculiar reasons were catalysts that acceralerated and worsened this process, but did not create or start it.

Posted by a Finn on June 16, 2009, 12:34 AM | #

To those interested in political science information that will be transcending, this is the shortest and the most condensed course I can think of:

http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Communicative-Action-Lifeworld-Functionalist/dp/080701401X/ref=pd_cp_b_2

http://www.palgrave-usa.com/catalog/product.aspx?isbn=1403986525

http://www.palgrave-usa.com/catalog/product.aspx?isbn=1403986541

http://www.amazon.com/Social-Construction-Reality-Sociology-Knowledge/dp/0385058985

Posted by Explorer on June 21, 2009, 05:45 AM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 15, 2009, 09:46 PM | #

” The Jewish overlords want Europe’s Islamization”

Ofcourse the europeans are innocent bystandars. The fact is the europeans want the Islamization of europe. The evidence is all around for all thoose who take an objective perception of the world to see. Napolean Bonaparte the French Ruler is merely one example of dozens who tried but failed to Implement in France the Law based on the principles of the Holy Quran/Islam called the “Islamic Shriah Law” and there will continue to be countless others who will try but they dont teach you that in the Schools History lessons. Says it all. So as far as the Islamization of Europe its nothing new

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 21, 2009, 12:09 PM | #

[First:  the comment just above by “Explorer” should be deleted and he should be IP-banned from the site for extreme stupidity.  What follows, a continuation of the exchange with A Finn, is in no way a reply to “Explorer.”]
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As I see it, a portion of a recent e-mail exchange between Professor Paul Gottfried and Lawrence Auster supports the view, widely held, that Eurosphere Jewish “liberalism” is not “liberalism” but simply a form of Jewish nationalism — specifically, Jewish-nationalist tribal warfare waged against what Jews see as their tribal enemy, Eurochristians.  The exchange is here:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013467.html#gottfried .

Auster refers to “the energy pushing this guilt and never giving it a rest” as he and Prof. Gottfried try to comprehend the phenomenon of the Eurochristians annihilating themselves in this way.  But it’s not they who are doing it to themselves.  Its source is external to them and coming from a tribe that sees them as its enemy.  The prodigious “energy pushing this guilt and never giving it a rest” is none other than the tribal energy of the Jews attacking, in a Jewish nationalist spirit, their tribal enemy the Eurochristians, through their control over the mass media, reinforced by strong Jewish influence in other key societal domains.

The Euro races are not doing this to themselves.

So, why are Eurosphere countries like Finland that don’t have Jews doing it, or trying to?  They’re under the Jew-rich U.S.‘s very strong influence.  (Also, some of them, like the U.K. and France, do have lots of Jews.)

Posted by explorer on June 21, 2009, 02:37 PM | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 21, 2009, 04:09 PM | #

[First:  the comment just above by “Explorer” should be deleted and he should be IP-banned from the site for extreme stupidity.  What follows, a continuation of the exchange with A Finn, is in no way a reply to “Explorer.”]

What a Hilarious thing you are!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 18, 2009, 11:46 PM | #

Joey Smith: 

“We are confident that as the message of nationalism grows not just in this country, but around the world, so will its music.”

Web-site:  http://www.greatwhiterecords.com/
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(Hat tip:  http://bnp.org.uk/2009/08/great-white-records-relaunched/ )