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1300 cars torched in worst night of rioting
By Elisabeth Pineau PARIS (Reuters) - Gangs of youths torched 1,300 vehicles overnight in the 10th consecutive night of violence in Paris’s poor suburbs and major French towns, despite the deployment of thousands of extra police. Cars were burnt out in the historic centre of Paris for the first time on Saturday night. In the normally quiet Normandy town of Evreux, a shopping mall, 50 vehicles, a post office and two schools went up in flames. Authorities have so far found no way beyond appeals and more police to address a problem with complex social, economic and racial causes. Evreux mayor Jean-Louis Debre, a confidant of President Jacques Chirac and speaker of the lower house of parliament, told France Info radio: “To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it.” The deaths 10 days ago of two youths apparently fleeing police ignited pent up frustrations among young men, many of them Muslims of North and black African origin, at racism, unemployment, their marginal place in French society and their treatment by the police. “Many youths have never seen their parents work and couldn’t hold down a job if they got one,” said Claude Chevallier, manager of a burned-out carpet depot in the rundown Paris suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois. But authorities now say the rolling nightly riots are being organised via the Internet and mobile phones, and have pointed the finger at drug traffickers and Islamist militants. Overnight, 1,295 vehicles were torched across France, the highest total so far, police said. An extra 2,300 officers have been drafted in. Seven police helicopters buzzed over the Paris region through the night, filming disturbances and directing mobile squads to incidents. Overnight, police made 349 arrests. The number of incidents in the Paris region was similar to the night before, but in the provinces it was up sharply. TARNISHED IMAGE The violence has tarnished France’s image abroad, forcing Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin to cancel a trip to Canada, while Russia and the United States have warned their citizens to avoid Paris’s troubled suburbs. Villepin has combined a call for an end to the riots with dialogue with community leaders, youngsters and local officials, and has promised an action plan for 750 tough neighbourhoods. “I’ll make proposals as early as this week,” the weekly Journal du Dimanche quoted him as saying. But it remained unclear what could stop the violence, though some opposition parties have suggested a symbolic measure—the resignation of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy. Accused of stoking passions by calling troublemakers “scum”, Sarkozy has ignored calls to quit. A survey published on Sunday indicated his public image was holding up, even if many disapproved of his strong language. Villepin also has ambitions to be the right wing’s presidential candidate in 2007 and has tried to position himself as a much more consensual figure than Sarkozy; the effect on the crisis on his ratings is still unclear. With no end in sight to the nights of wailing sirens, acrid smoke, stone-throwing and destruction, residents from all ethnic backgrounds are tiring of the unrest. “My kids can’t sleep at night,” said a mother named Samia in Aulnay-sous-Bois. “They hear explosions, they see fires and they think they’re in a war. When the slightest thing happens, they get anxious and say ‘Mama, what’s going on?’” Riots may swell the ranks of Jihadists. Riots spreading beyond Ghettoes. Teetering on the brink of anarchy. “Each night we make this place Baghdad”
UPDATE: Three Policemen seriously injured after being shot by rioters Chirac vows arrests and trials Riots spreading all over France
Posted by Phil Peterson on Sunday, November 6, 2005 at 08:48 AM in Immigration Comments:2
Posted by onetwothree on November 06, 2005, 09:38 AM | # Every destroyed car means one extra vote for Le Pen. It’s going to be a long night. 3
Posted by onetwothree on November 06, 2005, 09:39 AM | # “My kids can’t sleep at night,” said a mother named Samia in Aulnay-sous-Bois. Quit destroying Europe! I’M TRYING TO SLEEP! 5
Posted by Geoff Beck on November 06, 2005, 11:34 AM | # I think these photos speak to the racialist right, and ought to be taken down immediately. 6
Posted by Phil on November 06, 2005, 11:52 AM | # Hopefully, the police will shoot a few dozen of these “youths”. I’m aware that will lead to a far greater conflagration, and this doesn’t necessarily bother me in the long run. Everything I have seen so far indicates that the “youths” have no fear of the Police. That being the case, things might eventually get so bad that they may have to issue shoot at sight orders. The interesting thing about this is that not many people have been killed so far. The “youths” seem more intent on destroying property. That could, of course, change very quickly. 7
Posted by Matra on November 06, 2005, 12:01 PM | # Ten nights of mass rioting by presumably thousands (at the very least hundreds) and not a single rioter shot yet. The French look like the cheese-eating surrender monkeys the neocons claim they are. Unlike the US France is highly centralised. If the central government fails to provide order there will be none. There are reports that the government can’t even provide basic protection for the RER and other forms of public transportation. I’m watching from afar but it looks to me as if the French state is virtually impotent. Such displays of weakness will be great encouragement for the Muslims who know a strong horse and a weak one when they see them. From a WN perspective it may make the French public realise how fragile their nation is and spur them into action. 8
Posted by john rackell on November 06, 2005, 12:24 PM | # “To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it.” The pussified voice of Western Man hath spoken. Here’s a quote from the MSM - New York Times - exulting over the collapse of a European ethny and promoting other failed models in England, Germany, and Austria - it’a almost like the NYT has a timetable for the destruction of Europe:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/international/europe/06cnd-paris.html The NYT seems to be working pretty hard to fine tune its message - one minute a story is there and the next its gone except for the title. 9
Posted by Lurker on November 06, 2005, 01:06 PM | # Check out this site: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/ A mostly British Asian (not all Muslim) site Bit of talk there about the riots. 10
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 01:39 PM | # Hopefully, the police will shoot a few dozen of these “youths”. I’m aware that will lead to a far greater conflagration, and this doesn’t necessarily bother me in the long run. I disagree. I think shooting a few dozen would quell them and set a precedent that would lead to fewer problems in the future. I may be erroneously applying my experience with and knowledge of the American black to the European Muslim and black though. I do agree that making the problem worse is a goal, not because I like the problem itself but because I know accelerating it will accelerate the solution. Multiculturalism that doesn’t work is better than multiculturalism that does. 11
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 01:42 PM | # The pussified voice of Western Man hath spoken. Lol, shemales at work. 12
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 01:57 PM | # I just wish blacks, Muslims, whoever, would first march to where the rich people live and then commence rioting. 13
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 02:39 PM | # “To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious ... If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it.” (—Chirac toady Jean-Louis Debre, quoted in the article) Boy, that tough talk is really gonna get ‘em to stop rioting! This guy’s tougher than Clint Eastwood, Steven Seagal, Charles Bronson, Jean-Claude van Damm, The Terminator, and John Ray’s idol Rudy Giuliani, all put together and doubled! “calling troublemakers ‘scum’,” Again, “rabble,” “trash,” or “riffraff” would be better translations of what Sarkozy called them, “racaille.” “Scum” is just a shade stronger than what he said. “My kids can’t sleep at night,” said a mother named Samia in Aulnay-sous-Bois. “They hear explosions, they see fires and they think they’re in a war. When the slightest thing happens, they get anxious and say ‘Mama, what’s going on?’” What’s “going on” is bumps in the road leading to effective race-replacement of France. France can either turn back and embark down an entirely different road or continue along this one, guaranteed to contain many more bumps along the way, with the disappearance of France at its destination. C’est aux Français maintenant de choisir leur avenir: la vie or la mort. Décidez-vous. On John Rackell’s excerpt from The New York Times: that bunch are outright race-replacement advocates, which is—sorry, Martin—the same as favoring slow genocide. I can’t even stand to read such stuff—makes me want to vomit. 14
Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 02:51 PM | # I thought the liberals would find a way to rationalise these riots, or to draw the wrong conclusions. They are fairly predictable like that. 15
Posted by Kubilai on November 06, 2005, 02:58 PM | # I agree with the comments above that 1) the longer and worse this gets, the better and 2) for every day this drags on, the more votes for Le Pen. Though 2007 is an eternity away. Am I correct in that is when the elections will occur? 16
Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 03:00 PM | # I believe we can call this “creative destruction”, can we not? 17
Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 03:02 PM | # So has Geoff ditched MR for good, or is he bluffing? 18
Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 03:04 PM | # Svigor - “I think shooting a few dozen would quell them and set a precedent that would lead to fewer problems in the future.” So perhaps the best scenario would have police helicopters firing tear gas at entire neighbourhoods, before retreating? 19
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 03:25 PM | # Yes, that sounds like a good tactic Steve. Again, I dunno much about Muslims - they seem a bit more motivated than American blacks. American blacks would stop rioting in a nanosecond if they realized that proper measures would be the result. They might be a bit more fragile than American blacks. 20
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 03:37 PM | # They might be a bit more fragile than American blacks. Whoops, I meant “Euro Muslims” not “American blacks.” 21
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 03:40 PM | # Note how we get very few pictures of the non-white rioters. We get to see the fires, we get to see the burned shells of cars, we get to see the destroyed real property; to see the non-white rioters, the invading army in our midst, wage its campaign…that would be too much for us. 22
Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 03:49 PM | # Indeed. The enemy shall remain faceless. It’s actually quite similar to the “War on Terror” - no honest description of the enemy, and no credible strategy for victory. 23
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 04:00 PM | # Of course the usual suspects are going to call for more groveling, more tax-theft, more invaders, more multiculturalism. Expecting otherwise is like expecting a drug dealer to spontaneously stop dealing, apologize for his behavior, give all his ill-gotten gains to charity and start an anti-drug campaign. To any sane person (the sort who throws water on fires not gasoline), they just sound like the outright lunatics they really are. For dummies: they’re going to say we need to make a greater effort at “inclusion” and “sensitivity” and “love,” when in fact these are the very people who gave us these problems in the first place, in the name of “inclusion” and “sensitivity” and “love.” 24
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 04:43 PM | # You’ve called it exactly right, Svigor: A reader writes : ” ‘Anyway, a new intellectual consensus will likely emerge on both sides of Atlantic which will recommend the following: 1) Obviously there hasn’t been enough multi-culturalism. To increase understanding of Muslims, France needs to import even more of them! 2) There needs to be more welfare, more equality, because that’s what rioting youths are angry about! 3) The rioting youths weren’t Muslims. Don’t you know Islam is a religion of peace?’” 25
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 09:23 PM | # You’ve called it exactly right, Svigor That’s a bit circular since I read that earlier today myself; it is nevertheless exactly what they’ll do, if anything. Nothing short of snatching these people up by the hair on their heads (rhetorically speaking of course) is going to make them change. 26
Posted by Svigor on November 06, 2005, 09:52 PM | # The rioting youths weren’t Muslims. Don’t you know Islam is a religion of peace? Opinion: What Sarko Did Wrong
[L]et us be clear. This is not a revolt of the Muslim community. 27
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on November 06, 2005, 10:14 PM | # I agree that that will be the reaction; it was after New Orleans. 28
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 10:24 PM | # “Nothing short of snatching these people up by the hair on their heads (rhetorically speaking of course) is going to make them change.” (—Svigor) Yeah, it’s like the saying, “When you’ve got ‘em by [the hair on their heads] their hearts and minds will follow.” 29
Posted by RobertinArabia on November 06, 2005, 11:21 PM | # I left Paris just before they started attacking the trains to the airport. 30
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 06, 2005, 11:39 PM | # “It does not appear that white French yuppies will defend France.” (—RobertinArabia) The assholes! Might have known, actually, given the absolutely insufferable, effete, faux-intellectual leftism the French have been the absolute world masters of for decades—Martin would say for centuries. One is tempted to say to hell with them and it serves their damned mincing left-wing Froggie asses right, except for all the future generations ... Don’t they have rights to their French heritage, the precious, sacred heritage this generation is bound and determined to deprive them of? So, I can’t say to hell with them but must condemn this bunch of creepy, sissified all-too-typical Gallic moral criminals in the strongest terms. General Pershing, why did you save them from the Hun? You should have let them get their asses whipped in 1917 and be done with it! 31
Posted by seelow heights on November 06, 2005, 11:54 PM | # Funny line from a commentor called “interventor” at the No Pasaran blog: 33
Posted by Lurker on November 07, 2005, 12:06 AM | # Just to show that France isnt entirely lost. I was in France the other day, just for a day. No rioting where I was. Not much sign of non-whites either. Most French couples were, well French! Been on holiday in France as well, in a quiet out-of-the way place not much frequented by snobby French or English elitists and everyone who wasnt a foreign tourist was French. Waiters/waitresses, cleaners, shop staff etc. Even McDonalds. Its common to have people working there whose first language isnt English - in England. But in France that was because it was French people. All doing the jobs that immigrants do because we wont do them. (Proves that when immigrants arent available the work still gets done) 34
Posted by JB on November 07, 2005, 01:35 AM | # re: religion you guys really think these scumbags are pious muslims ? It’s a race war not a religious war 35
Posted by JB on November 07, 2005, 01:38 AM | # Fox News’ kosher conservatism: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6806 Fox has a handy, international correspondent named “Simon Marks” who looks a little French and has a nice unidentifiable accent, maybe British, maybe not—its hard to tell. Fox never bothered to identify just who he is or where he’s stationed, leaving the impression that he was ‘in the thick of it’. Several times today Simon explained that, “Starchy White men who run the country are out of touch with the new multiracial France,” adding, “You should see them tottering about in the Capital, they certainly don’t reflect the population.” Simon says “France has failed to assimilate its millions of immigrants.” As he spoke, the camera panned across a high-rise apartment building, each apartment with its own satellite dish. (France, being the socialist country that it is, provides free apartments, schooling, food, clothing, and yes, satellite television to the poor.) Displaying his dirtiest look, Simon said that “French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy didn’t help the situation when he called them scum,” referring to the rioters. Catherine Herridge, Fox Homeland Defense Correspondent and Sunday anchor, asked Marks if the rioters were “Muslim,” just as if she didn’t know. Marks launched into a tirade of anti-White bigotry concerning “France’s racist colonialist past in Africa.” 36
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 07, 2005, 02:13 AM | # Re: JB, above: So, the Fox News Network is also now pushing race-replacement. And that was supposed to be the “conservative” network. Really, there’s nowhere to turn any more, apart from the internet. 37
Posted by Lurker on November 07, 2005, 06:15 AM | # Im sure some of you have seen the blog: biassed-bbc.blogspot.com Often quite on the money but run by inveterate libertarians. They cant see any theme running through the MSM, they just think the BBC is the problem. To them Fox is great. Watching the news in the UK there is little to choose between the BBC/C4/ITN or Sky. Sky being the UK version of Fox. The attitudes and personnel are interchangeable, the fact that the Beeb is not privately run seems largely irrelevant. 38
Posted by john rackell on November 07, 2005, 12:10 PM | # The MSM is AWOL. The BNP is apparently getting some scoop regarding the situation in France and the pseudo military organization of some of the rioters.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=610 The BNP analysis of the Arab European league demand for having the complete run of European society without any assimilation is also worth reading - in the same article. 39
Posted by friedrich braun on November 08, 2005, 06:50 AM | # Latest from Buchanan: Colonization of the mother countries by subject peoples is the last chapter in the history of empires—and the next chapter in the history of the West—that is now coming to a close. 40
Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 10, 2005, 01:33 PM | # Friedrich, thanks for posting that Buchanan link—I hadn’t seen that piece, but read it thanks to your link. An excellent column which everyone should read! Moratorium-plus-Repatriation! Next entry: Sit Vacant Previous entry: A Cry of Despair |
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Posted by Steve Edwards on November 06, 2005, 09:16 AM | #
Hopefully, the police will shoot a few dozen of these “youths”. I’m aware that will lead to a far greater conflagration, and this doesn’t necessarily bother me in the long run.