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British Have Changed Little Since Ice Age, Gene Study SaysDespite invasions by Saxons, Romans, Vikings, Normans, and others, the genetic makeup of today’s white Britons is much the same as it was 12,000 ago, a new book claims. Time to Quarantine: While watching the images of the bombers in London I was struck by the amount of miscegenation. Yuck! Undoubtedly, that mongrel wearing a hooded jacket which said “New York” belongs to the lowest rung of the human race.
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Posted by Guessedworker on July 23, 2005, 03:22 AM | # There’s a long way to go yet in piecing together the demographic history of Britain from the Stone Age to the Dark Ages. But all the latest studies are pointing the same direction - away from the leftist bleat that the English are all migrants and mongrels. Genetics trumps self-hatred. 3
Posted by Michael on July 23, 2005, 07:29 AM | # There was a program on a few years ago about a man directly descended from an ice age inhabitant who lived 9,000 years ago. The link is here http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9707/31/cheddar.man/ A nation of immigrants? 4
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 09:20 AM | # Insane Insane Insane, allowing trash like this into our lands:
Purging the land must became a paramount goal. Mr. New York is gone, the trash taken out. I hope the English taxpayers didn’t spend too much on the 9MM bullets. 5
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 10:04 AM | # The Mongrels: The qualities of mongrels are rarely admirable, and the mixture of the Arab and negro types has produced a debased and cruel breed, more shocking because they are more intelligent than the primitive savages. The stronger race soon began to prey upon the simple aboriginals; some of the Arab tribes were camel-breeders; some were goat-herds; some were Baggaras or cow-herds. But all, without exception, were hunters of men. To the great slave-market at Jedda a continual stream of negro captives has flowed for hundreds of years. The invention of gunpowder and the adoption by the Arabs of firearms facilitated the traffic by placing the ignorant negroes at a further disadvantage. Thus the situation in the Soudan for several centuries may be summed up as follows: The dominant race of Arab invaders was unceasingly spreading its blood, religion, customs, and language among WSC, The River War Churchill was right on the race issue. 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 23, 2005, 10:31 AM | # The “nation of immigrants” refrain (just another form of race-denial: “You have no race! You’re just a mixed nation of immigrants!”) is the same as the “there are no such things as races” refrain: they’re both part of the race-denial propaganda offensive, carefully designed to get at us through our race. They’ll do anything to get at our race and change it to something they find less threatening, less annoying, less inconvenient—anything to get us out of the way. That goal is clearly of supreme importance to them—which shows that races exist in their eyes (otherwise what in the world are they doing, trying so hard to eliminate ours?) but the crucial importance race has for them—look at the effort they’re expending on this propaganda. There are a number of changes we could theoretically make to render ourselves impervious to racial attack through race-denial( * ). Unfortunately, the most effective change would be getting rid of the franchise for women. Imagine what a godsend it is to race-deniers and race-replacers to be operating in a system wherein fifty percent of all voters are biologically incapable of conceiving of races, countries, or nation-states—haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about when you mention any of these and if you persist, are apt to start seeing you as some sort of crank. * Imagine if the Nazis had attacked the Jews not by saying they were an inferior race that deserved to get eliminated, but by saying there were no such things as Jews, saying they weren’t targeting “Jews, whatever those were supposed to be—in reality, no such group existed,” but only enemies of the régime, and that was all. In my view, Jewish race-deniers( ** ) who push race-replacement immigration are doing in reverse what the Nazis would have been doing had they adopted that strategy. They’re striving hard to get rid of a group they dislike and view as harmful to Jews: white-Euro Christians. ** Prof. Steven Jay Gould, Ashley Montagu, Prof. Franz Boaz, and all the others (Montagu wrote an entire paper devoted to denying the existence of races as early as 1943, before the mechanism of DNA or any modern genetics was known, so his race-denial wasn’t based on science but on a peculiarly Jewish prejudice—the prejudice against the notion that races exist—and based on the politics that goes along with that prejudice. Montagu, incidentally, played a significant role in the drafting of the founding documents of the U.N., a fact which has obvious implications given his race-denial—for example, in the declaration of human rights we don’t see where it affirms that a people, community, nation, or nation-state is doing nothing wrong if it seek to maintain itself racially intact through reasonable, humane measures such as immigration policy that limits entry of non-kindred peoples). Prof. Franz Boaz was doing the exact equivalent of denying races at the start of the 20th Century, using the only tools available to him at the time, those of physical anthropology. Had he had the tools of modern genetics he’d have used those as well in his attempt to deny races, but those came later. Prof. Gould did have them of course, and that’s exactly what he did—used them to try to deny races, he too having this peculiarly Jewish prejudice against the notion that races exist. Both Gould and Boaz have been debunked in their race-denial efforts, of course—but the wonder is, this peculiarly Jewish prejudice against the notion that races exist was so strong in these two brilliant men it caused them to abandon the most obvious truth and make absolute fools of themselves. That’s how strong this peculiarly Jewish prejudice can be in Jews, even Jewish scientists who should know better and have higher regard for honesty and the truth. As for “proving” that race-denial is a “peculiarly Jewish prejudice,” anyone with a pair of eyes in his head can see that. There are certain wrong things in today’s society that are obviously coming primarily from the Jews, and this is one of them. (There are certain right things in today’s society that are obviously coming from the Jews but we’re not talking about those.) Three others are the 1965 Kennedy-Celler Immigration Holocaust Bill, the modern drive to eliminate public celebration of Christmas, clearly originally a Jewish campaign, and this “Proposition Nation” nonsense: anyone with eyes who looks at the world around him sees clearly these wrong things, together with race-denial, are primarily Jewish initiatives, a fact which Jews and gentiles alike ought to face squarely instead of ignoring out of politeness. 7
Posted by Silverhand on July 23, 2005, 03:02 PM | # Mr. New York is gone, the trash taken out. I hope the English taxpayers didn’t spend too much on the 9MM bullets. Jeff Beck Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor will you. Nobody would dare criticise you for jumping to conclusions would they Geoff? http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/index.html Am I led to believe you failed “simple research 101” or did you just excel at “pull the facts out of my arse 101”? 8
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 03:35 PM | # Slivermouth, I didn’t find any humor at all in my comment, I was quite serious. Is he innocent, I don’t care. I heard they pumped 5 shots into him, 2 ought’ve sufficed.
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Posted by Gimp on July 23, 2005, 04:24 PM | # The only good non-white is a dead non-white, eh, Geoff? :D 10
Posted by Svigor on July 23, 2005, 04:47 PM | # Who is Mr. New York? The only good non-white is a dead non-white, eh, Geoff? :D The only good non-white is a non-present non-white, and I actually do mean that in an amicable way. The article is interesting, to say the least. It asks as many new questions as it answers. My guess is that Britain in general and British “Celts”* in particular are among the most genetically isolated white populations in the world. * Celts are a big question for me here. The author seems to suggest that the Celts were not significant genetic contributors to the British race, but he doesn’t actually say so. The most visible British genetic marker is red hair, he added. The writer Tacitus noted the Romans’ surprise at how common it was when they arrived 2,000 years ago. “It’s something that foreign observers have often commented on,” Miles said. “Recent studies have shown that there is more red hair in Scotland and Wales than anywhere else in the world. It’s a mutation that probably occurred between 8,000 and 10,000 years ago.” Well, did the mutation migrate from the continent, where red hair is common in some populations, or did it arise independently, or both, or migrate from Britain to the continent, or what? Which continental populations are most similar to the British, and which share the most common ancestry? What was the origin of these hunter-gatherers, what was their migration path and timeline? 11
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 05:01 PM | # > The only good non-white is a dead non-white, eh, Geoff? :D Not my words, but yours. I’m not losing any sleep, if the cop was in error so be it. We are are facing a future in which the very existence of European man is in question. That includes the lands that Europe expropriated, and the very homeland of Europe itself. We are engaged - whether we ignore it or not - in a battle for our existence. And those that wring their hands over such incidents as this are fighting for the enemy. If the European man is lost to mongrelizism, or some other form of racial death, those that survive would wish they had never been born. What you are witnessing in the London tube is the order of life for the mongrel: it is nasty, brutish & short. Next week he’d rape your sister, or cut your mother’s throat. To win the war we need a cold heart, and nerves of steel, the time for hand wringing and bed wetting is over. Silvertoe and Gimp better stock up on diapers, because its going to get worse before it gets better. I don’t know if there is anything I can do to change your mind, so far gone are you. But here is one and maybe my last attempt: http://www.amren.com/color.pdf 12
Posted by Amman on July 23, 2005, 05:04 PM | # Hmm…I would agree with Svigor in saying this piece raises more questions than answers. As cliche as it sounds, the lack of genetic “diversity” among the Brits quite surprises me. From my understanding of British history, there should be genes from the Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, and Franks, to name a few, in the British gene pool. Where’d all those guys go? I have only one hypothesis: Maybe the Germanic tribes (Angles and Saxons, mainly) were the most successful reproducers in Britain? Again, from what little I know of English history, England suffered something of a decline after the Romans left, so perhaps by the time the Angles and Saxons roared in, there weren’t many Celts left to leave many of their genes around. The Angles and Saxons were quite fecund and probably would have represented most of Britain’s population growth at that point. So perhaps that would explain the author’s suggestion that the Celts weren’t major contributors to the British genetic makeup? 13
Posted by Amman on July 23, 2005, 05:07 PM | # P.S: Geoff, just how are you sure those folks are “mongrels?” I thought they were Arabs. 14
Posted by Guessedworker on July 23, 2005, 05:08 PM | # Deeply suspicious Moslems like “Mr New York” can’t be given the benefit of the doubt. Anyway he, it seems, died from his own stupidity. Would Silverhand or the bum boy in leather run from an SAS-drilled squad on to a underground train, when any reasonably intelligent human being would surely conclude that a train was the last place they would want him? Naturally not. Silverhand and the gay boy in bondage would be shit frightened at the first warning shout and drop to the ground quicker than a 9mm breaks bone. We are at war with religion-crazed murderers. This guy’s death was self-inflicted. By the way, Silverhand, you never answered my question. You know: Do you concurr that European Caucasians should seek to secure their futures in their own lands? Come on, now. Have a shot at it. Have five. 15
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 05:10 PM | # >Geoff, just how are you sure those folks are “mongrels?” I saw Mr. New York’s mother on TV, an English woman convert. 16
Posted by Svigor on July 23, 2005, 05:17 PM | # If the European man is lost to mongrelizism, or some other form of racial death, those that survive would wish they had never been born. I agree. Image a world where Chinese morality dominates. 17
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 05:18 PM | # Gimp, Silverfoot and others: > > The only good non-white is a dead non-white, eh, Geoff? I fully support the Arab, Black African, Japanese, Chinese, and etc… in their right to preserve their homelands as their own. Futhermore, I am totally opposed to the ‘Iraq Attack,’ we have no business interfering in the affairs of others. But as GW asks: Do you concurr that European Caucasians should seek to secure their futures in their own lands? Now, the mongrel is a special problem and the full force of stigma and disapproval needs to be brought to bear on this issue. I would encourage sterilization of mongrels. 18
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 05:23 PM | # > Image a world where Chinese morality dominates. China has acquired some degree of civilization and sophistication, as a people. Those left would be lucky to live under such a system. 19
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 05:25 PM | # > Correction It was not Mr. New York’s mother I saw on TV, but one of the other criminals associated with the London bombings. It is being reported that Mr. New York is from Brazil. Brazil really is home to the mongrel. And just what is he doing in Britain anyway? 20
Posted by Amman on July 23, 2005, 05:47 PM | # In all fairness, it was pretty stupid for Mr. New York to make a run for it, and the action of the cops was understandable—after 7/7, I can’t blame anybody for being trigger-happy. Still, aside from the fact that the kid apparently didn’t have anything to do with the bombings, or anything at all for that matter (GW, how do you know he’s Muslim? The article stated that the kid’s from Brazil, and he doesn’t have a Muslim-sounding name) it wasn’t really pragmatic for the Brits to gun him down. According to the article, the kid was already pinned down when the officer shot him. Regardless of whether you think he’s just another casualty in the Racial War or even just plain funny, the Brits probably could have learned more by dragging him off to be interrogated. At worst, the kid would turn out to be innocent and they let him go after a few hours, at best, he might actually have had connections and could have provided information to the cops. Now that he’s dead, we’re not getting anything out of him one way or another. 21
Posted by Svigor on July 23, 2005, 06:11 PM | # China has acquired some degree of civilization and sophistication, as a people. Those left would be lucky to live under such a system. As far as I can tell it doesn’t include competitive altruism or ideas about universal morality. In a world devoid of whites, the Chinese would not prove the mamby-pamby overlords westerners have. 22
Posted by Guessedworker on July 23, 2005, 07:01 PM | # Amman, Correct, he may not have been Muslim though he emerged from a house clearly associated with suspect Muslim terrorists. He may have been unlucky as well as stupid. But anyhow the police have to act in the public safety, and their only other option was to give the guy time to prove himself not to be a terrorist. They don’t have that luxury, do they? 23
Posted by Mark Richardson on July 23, 2005, 07:28 PM | # Re: the Romans describing the Britons as having red hair. You have to be a bit careful here because the Romans described the Germans as having “red” hair also - despite the fact that blonde hair would have been a more common distinctive trait. As I remember from a uni course (ten or more years ago now) the Roman word for “red” was also used to describe “burnished gold” so translators are unsure whether red or gold is the correct description. Therefore, in the Roman historian Tacitus’ famous desription of the Germanic tribes, he writes, “For myself, I accept the view that the peoples of Germany have never contaminated themselves by intermarriage with foreigners but remain of pure blood, distinct and unlike any nation. One result of this is that their physical characteristics, in so far as one can generalise about such a large population, are always the same: fierce-looking blue eyes, reddish hair, and big frames ...” Some translators replace red hair with “red or yellow hair” because of the uncertainty I mentioned above. 24
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 07:46 PM | # > China As I recall in Charles Murray’s book, Human AccomplishmentChina was well represented(though a very distant position). Concepts of good government and the confuscian ethnic are very high concepts for civil society. We all know the printing press, gunpowder originated there. I’m no Sinophile but compare Chinese civilization to… Africa, India, Islam. Well, for me, I’d pick China as the superior among that group. 25
Posted by Svigor on July 23, 2005, 08:35 PM | # No doubt. I’m not disparaging the Chinese, I just think the Chinese imperialism would be more of the foot-on-neck type than western imperialism has. 26
Posted by Geoff Beck on July 23, 2005, 08:37 PM | # > I’m not disparaging the Chinese Oh, go ahead. I won’t complain. 27
Posted by Svigor on July 23, 2005, 08:40 PM | # Some translators replace red hair with “red or yellow hair” because of the uncertainty I mentioned above. The Romans were certainly sophisticated enough to have noticed that there was no real dividing line between the two and to have seen either as poles of the same continuum; it might be a deliberate conflation. Just speculation of course. 28
Posted by Svigor on July 23, 2005, 08:41 PM | # Well, the thing is I actually am a relativist in some ways. Wtf should the Chinese adopt western morality? 29
Posted by Pericles on July 24, 2005, 03:48 AM | # http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4704691.stm shadows of people But instead of hardened KGB agents lurking on street corners in dark glasses, the spy stories appearing in the Western press recently have been about fresh-faced Chinese students. Some are said to be engaged in research at respected foreign establishments, while others are enrolled as bright young business trainees in major Western companies. Their mission - or so the reports allege - is to use fair means or foul to gather technological and commercial intelligence that will help speed China on its way to becoming the next global superpower. Britain’s Sunday Telegraph reported recently that a leading Chinese agent had “defected” in Belgium and blown the whistle on hundreds of Chinese spies working at various levels of European industry.
These allegations follow the case of a 22-year-old Chinese woman who was detained in France after being accused of “illegal database intrusion” by the car-parts maker Valeo, which had employed her as an intern. She has since been released. Police in Sweden also suspect Chinese guest researchers of stealing unpublished and unpatented research from an institute there, according to the Swedish radio Ekot’s website. Gaining experience Chen Yonglin, a Chinese diplomat who recently defected in Australia, claimed Beijing had as many as 1,000 spies in Australia alone. But Mr Chen, a former first secretary at the Chinese consulate-general in Sydney, told the BBC News website that his lawyers had told him to say no more, for fear of jeopardising his chances of receiving political asylum. The cool response to Mr Chen’s and other defectors’ requests says much about current Western attitudes towards China. Whether in government, business or academic circles, there is a general reluctance to do or say anything that might unduly upset Beijing and threaten access to its markets - not to mention its vast pool of high-paying and often highly gifted students. More on site. 30
Posted by seelow heights on July 24, 2005, 08:27 PM | # “No doubt. I’m not disparaging the Chinese, I just think the Chinese imperialism would be more of the foot-on-neck type than western imperialism has.” 31
Posted by seelow heights on July 25, 2005, 12:28 AM | # Returning to the original topic, what are we to make of this study reported last year? 32
Posted by seelow heights on July 25, 2005, 12:43 AM | # Then there’s this: The study, being reported today in Current Biology, was based on comparing Y chromosomes sampled throughout the British Isles with the invaders’ Y chromosomes, as represented by the present-day descendants of the Danes, Vikings (in Norway) and Anglo-Saxons (in Schleswig-Holstein in northern Germany). Having identified Y chromosomes assumed typical of the original Britons, Dr. Goldstein and his team could assess the demographic impact of the invaders. They found that the Vikings left a heavy genetic imprint in the Orkneys, the islands off the northeast coast of Scotland, which were a center of Viking operations between A.D. 800 and 1200. Many men in York and east England carry Danish Y chromosomes. But surprisingly, there is little sign of Anglo-Saxon heritage in southern England. “One tends to think of England as Anglo-Saxon,” Dr. Goldstein said. “But we show quite clearly there was not complete replacement of existing populations by either Anglo-Saxons or Danes. It looks like the Celts did hold out.” 33
Posted by seelow heights on July 25, 2005, 01:10 AM | # I should have added that there is a series of links on this topic at: http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/ Next entry: A classic double standard Previous entry: Opposition to black immigration in Australia |
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Posted by Kubilai on July 23, 2005, 12:38 AM | #
Thanks for the post and link, Geoff.
I hope Ken and “Splinter” are still around to assuage their concerns about genetic “stagnation” and loyalty towards one extended kinship.
If things continue as they are, Londoners will have wiped out in a mere 100 to a maximum of 200 years what has been preserved for 12,000. I just love “diversity”.