The Boer genocide
Carefully made on a hillside at Pietersburg there is a cross of many white crosses. It is a memorial to the Afrikaner lives lost to black violence in rural South Africa since 1991.
picture courtesy of stopboergencide.com
In those fourteen years there have been more than 20,000 armed attacks perpetrated by groups of militant, young African males on South African commercial farms, mostly run by white Afrikaners of course. The SA farm murder toll now stands at 1,782 since the end of apartheid. But this is a crisis that the international media all but ignore. You will, for example, wait till you drop for any hint of it from CNN.
So, why do we hear so little about the real South African situation these days? To me, it seems that only those issues which appeal to the popular imagination reach the presses. The corruption of the black ANC mafia, filling its pockets under the pretext of “Black Economic Empowerment”, has been in the news. So, too, has the never-ending search for riches of less lucky blacks eager, perhaps, to follow a bad example. And we hear about AIDS, of course, and the ANC medical quacks’ capriole cures - which confirm all our suspicions of black competence.
Corruption, violent crime, AIDS and incompetence, it seems, are images of South Africa which we have grown used to and expect to have reinforced. Generally, though, even if much of the early idealism and the global wave of goodwill that accompanied the birth of modern South Africa has been dented by the realities of black power, the rainbow nation still elicits a kind of hope from the West. All that talk about truth and reconciliation, all the saint-worship of Nelson Mandela has to have been for something, surely. The notion that it might not … even that post-apartheid South Africa might treat its Boer minority far worse than ever the old National Party governments treated blacks is simply not fit for the liberal West to contemplate. Besides, the Boer is not a picturesque victim, not a figure of sympathy.
You think I exaggerate, perhaps? Try googling “Boer farm murders”. You will get the picture.
So … what are the facts about the Boer genocide, the plaasmoorde in Afrikaans … the farm murders? A good introduction is the film, “Bloody Harvest”. In fact, this link provides only the first quarter of an hour of the whole film. Lady Adriana Stuijt, who you can mail at , will send the complete film on DVD from her Netherlands base. But she needs you to make a donation to the Foundation for Afrikaner Asylum-seekers International (and give her your postal address with the email).
What official statistics do exist about the farm murders? Scroll down this page. But … retain your scepticism. There is something puzzling here. In recent years the number of the farm attacks has slightly diminished (with 14%) according to these police statistics. But the number of murders involved has mysteriously gone missing. How could this be explained? An acquaintance of mine from SA’s Northwest Province (I can’t disclose further details than that) explained it to me as follows:-
It is the SA government censors. They forbid the South African police (SAPS) from giving crime statistics to the public without the government’s consent. It is also forbidden for the media to report crime that is not first approved by the police’s headquarters.
It is an understatement to say that the police’s new farm attack statistics are governmentally “approved”. It’s also a pity that the only thing that really interests us, the murders, have been removed - the more so because there are reports now that farm attacks are getting more brutal than ever.
Btw, another indication that the official statistics are unreliable is that Interpol’s global murder figures for South Africa are approximately double the number of “recorded murders”. And bear in mind that the farm murder rate is FOUR times the official South African murder average. If the South African government denies a correlation of 400%, they are in urgent need of a course in statistics.
The white Boer, the Afrikaner farmer, is easily the highest at-risk group for murder on Earth ... 310 in 100,000 per year actually. By comparison, in London the yearly probability of getting murdered is 3 in 100,000. The world’s foremost authority on genocide, Dr Gregory Stanton of “Genocide Watch”, has recognised the seriousness of the Boer genocide in his 2002 report.
South Africa’s blacks, and especially the ANC youth, still sing the old ANC resistance song “Kill The Boer”. In this they have their purposes. But in the wider world there has been an important shift in the meaning of that word “Boer”. In German, ein Bauer is nothing but a farmer. In the Boer War more than a century ago the word implied a fighter. And under the apartheid regime it became the generic name for the apartheid government and its apartheid army … the apartheid army that was the immediate enemy of the ANC guerrillas. Singing “Kill The Boer”, in fact, meant “kill the apartheid soldier”. However, now the Boer is once again merely a farmer and nothing more. He is a man who works hard with his hands and with few words and whose children now ponder emigrating (though that is difficult - Afrikaners are no colonials and have no mother land to which to return).
The “Kill The Boer” slogan has even been ruled as hate speech by the SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) because it incites people to kill Afrikaners. Yet the ANC ‘s public meetings still sing “shaya ma buru” all over South Africa. It should be noted that under the UN Genocide convention, such incitements to kill ethnic minorities by any ruling regime is also legally ruled to be genocide and could be rigorously pursued in the International Criminal Court - if the will was there to do it.
Although in most cases the purpose of the farm murders is robbery - which the South African government is always keen to emphasize - the large amount of “overkill” committed and the abounding brutality involved speaks of other, racial motives. Mr. Lukas Swart has written a book in which he explains in detail how these farm murders (plaasaanvalle in Afrikaans) are prepared and what the farmer can do to prevent greater harm (in Afrikaans). But discussing this here goes beyond the scope of my present essay.
For how long will the White farmers’ nightmare in South-Africa continue? Until the last one has gone? The answer is surely that the worst is yet to come. It may not happen till far into the future. But if and when it does, it will look much like the situation in Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe today.
Indeed, the ANC “geniuses” have now decided that the SA Commando System - a system that has proven its merits since 1715 and the Boers’ last line of defence against the South African crime syndicates will be – phased out by 2009. The South African police doesn’t have the resources to take over the job, a fact well know to the South African government. There is simply no other available explanation but that “it” fits the ANC’s land redistribution plans.
As in Zimbabwe, though, white commercial farmers produce the food for the rest of their 44 million compatriots. If those farmers are liquidated, the rest of South Africa and other parts of southern Africa will die with them. The present ANC leaders don’t want to understand this. But the Boer genocide may yet become the name attributed to the death of millions … if not by murder, then by starvation.
To fully understand the farm murder syndrome it should be placed in a larger South African context. In South Africa, a new apartheid system founded on race is being installed. South Africa has already imposed racial quotas that deny work to most young Afrikaners, whether or not they have the right diploma (albeit in Afrikaans, here is a letter of protest to President Mbeki).
Mbeki’s programme of Black Economic Empowerment, as it is called, is commonly dubbed in Afrikaans regstellende aksie (literally “rectifying action”, which we know as Affirmative Action). Thousands of ANC civil servants in South Africa intimidate and politicise private enterprises to engage blacks instead of whites (and browns, let it be said). “Progress” plans are implemented, fines and other sanctions imposed.
This is nothing less than the intentional impoverishment of the Afrikaner minority. In most cases it’s an unqualified or even illiterate black who gets the job (in Afrikaans). The only choice left open to whites is emigration or begging.
The SA government is unwilling or, perhaps, unable to understand that any society which fosters criteria other than merit will impoverish as a whole.
Afrikaner people do complain (in Afrikaans) about paying the bulk of the taxes and getting nothing in return, about the jobs advertised with exclusion formulas, about all the new system’s injustices. There have been loud complaints about Labour Minister Membathisi Mdladlana, who recently mocked their plight in parliament to amuse his colleagues. It didn’t amuse many Afrikaners, who don’t understand why, in this rainbow nation, their children must suffer in another apartheid system. Others wonder how long this new system will last … centuries perhaps? Yet others look beyond the ANC propaganda and see Black Economic Empowerment as, simply, the new ANC term for black racism.
But apart from the Afrikaner victims, does anyone else care? Does anyone else actually protest? Last year Archbishop Desmond Tutu criticised Black Economic Empowerment in South Africa, but only because it enriches such a small minority of already powerful blacks. That it also impoverishes the white minority because they are white surpasses even his legendary moral indignation. And the Afrikaner intellectuals? Most hope not to lose their own jobs. By that they effectively condone the new black apartheid system - playing, in an objective sense, the same role as the Judenräte once played under the Nazi regime.
Certainly, don’t expect demonstrations from angry Afrikaners. All those who cast doubt on Black Economic Empowerment are immediately cast down as racists. And beneath that lurks a more sinister possibility. The South African government itself suffers from a persecution complex. Earlier this month the country was engulfed in riots in the crime-ridden townships. These were strange echoes of the anti-white-apartheid riots of the 1980s. The government’s response? It called in the National Intelligence Agency to investigate whether a “secret force” was somehow orchestrating events. Absolutely no possibility that its own actions might be contributing to the restlessness of the poor can exist.
For all that, replacing the 35,000 commercial South African farmers by blacks is more complicated for the government than just imposing job quotas in industry and commerce. The farmers are landowners, you see. They have a special link with their territory.
This the authorities are doing whatever they can to undermine. In addition to the SAHRC‘s endorsement of the withdrawal of commandos from rural areas, it has banned the term (pdf) farm attacks from the SA Rural Protection Plan for being politically incorrect (see page 191). In their view there are no farm attacks, only “murders”. The link to the land is denied.
There is also the alarming fact that the South African Government is currently making an inventory of South Africa’s farmers along racial lines:-
“To enable the government to monitor the patterns of land ownership as it implements land reform, the deeds registration system would be improved to reflect nationality, race and gender of land owners.
And then in the background there has recently been legislation to make it possible for the government to expropriate assets on a summary basis – no necessity to apply in advance to a court.
The final thrust may be coming shortly from the South African Constitutional Review Joint Committee. The ANC is quietly rewriting the South African Constitution behind closed doors without giving any clue as to their intentions. This doesn’t inspire much confidence either, does it?
Slowly but surely it is becoming clear that the South African commercial farmers are enclosed in a deadly trap, as if they were insects. Yet the world stays silent and is, by that silence, complicit.
What can MR readers do? Mail the International Criminal Court at , I suppose. But the chances of having any impact are surely limited. I would rather ask readers to contact their representatives in the USA, Britain and Australia; urging them to care as much for the white victims of racism in South Africa as they did for the blacks during the apartheid years. I would urge them to think about how they can save the lives which, without firm action, will certainly be lost in the future, as they have been lost in the past. I would urge them to recommend motions in parliament advising the SA government not to abolish the SA rural Commando System for purely ideological reasons.
I would urge them to make it clear to the South African government that the international community is watching them closely, and that government actions exposing the white farmers to fatal risk will be interpreted as a crime against mankind. I would urge them to be morally consistent. Tell the South African government that driving an ethnic minority into a corner is, in fact, a variant of ethnic cleansing. Then at least they won’t later be able to claim, “Wir haben es nicht gewusst”.
Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on Sunday, June 26, 2005 at 09:46 AM in World Affairs
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Posted by john fitzgerald on June 26, 2005, 11:50 AM | #
We all know what needs to be done but with the scum now in power in the west
our hands are tied. But maybe our time will come. A lot depends on how much longer U.S.A. lasts.
It wouldn’t take long to bring them to heel, I’d guess a few weeks using mercs with a national army as back-up.
The whites there now, if they can hold on, might well be the beginning of of a new Africa.
Posted by Geoff M. Beck on June 26, 2005, 02:43 PM | #
Thankyou for bringing this information forward.
Posted by Kubilai on June 26, 2005, 04:57 PM | #
This is a travesty and the accomplices should be tried before a World court and then hung until dead for not only allowing innocent people to be murdered, but also planting the seeds of some warped “justifiable reaction” to apartheid as the sole cause of the misery of Black Africans and essentially promoting this genocide.
Posted by Marty on June 26, 2005, 06:39 PM | #
Sad. But I don’t see how this is any worse than what was done to French Algerians, the Belgians of Congo, the Portuguese of Angola and Mozambique…
All these peoples were violently forced off lands which their ancestors had occupied for generations, often centuries, with the open approval and encouragement of the US and British governments
If Boers and Rhodesians think their own plights will elicit a different reaction, they’re likely to be disappointed
Posted by Hektor on June 29, 2005, 09:10 AM | #
Good effort you are making. But I would avoid any “Holocaust"-like association. As it is actually known to well-informed people that it is propaganda utilized for political and financial reasons.
Posted by Guessedworker on June 29, 2005, 11:04 AM | #
it is actually known to well-informed people that it is propaganda utilized for political and financial reasons.
I agree that “genocide” is a difficult term to pin down, and there may be a certain inflation in claims of Boer genocide now. If “well-informed people” think that is indeed the case I would be intrigued to know who they are and on what they base their judgement. Can you expand on your statement, Hektor?
Posted by Braveheart on August 11, 2005, 07:27 AM | #
See also: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1285/
Posted by Braveheart on August 14, 2005, 03:40 PM | #
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1301/
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1319/
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1389/
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1459/
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1503/
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/back_from_south_africa/#trackbacks
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/an_english_nanny/#comments
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/south_africa/#comments
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_daily_struggle_for_boer_survival/#comments
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/a_politically_correct_genocide/
And: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/video_south_african_farm_murders/#comments
Posted by Adriana Stuijt on August 16, 2005, 12:37 PM | #
Aids, South Africa, US National Security and the CIA
by Adriana Stuijt, http://www.stigtingafrikanerasielsoekers.info
August 16 2005 - WASHINGTON, DC, USA—Aids now threatens the entire world, but in 1987, the US security establishment already wrote in secret reports that South Africa was facing collapse because of it. This comes to light in the important report written this month by the Pulitzer-prize winning US journalist Laurie Garrett:
Garrett’s report, located on http://www.cfr.org/pdf/HIV_National_Security.pdf, reveals that the CIA had already warned in an unpublished study in 1987 that HIV/Aids would ‘have a serious destabilizing effect on sub-Saharan Africa” - and especially South Africa.
This secret CIA report had warned that “without intervention, much of the region might devolve into civil wars, unrest, and downward economic spirals.”
Yet in spite of this dire warning from their own security service, the US government in 1994 still decided to “peacefully” replace the Afrikaner-run government of South Africa—the only self-sufficient, peaceful, well-run, first-run country on the entire African continent—with an ANC-run government, i.e. South Africa’s peaceful, well-run and reasonably fraud-free government of 11 years ago, was suddenly replaced by a group of exceedingly greedy, black-racist Xhosa-terrorists who have always denied the very existence of Aids…
And the US supported this…
The US National Intelligence Council also predicted in its “Global Trends 2015” report that “Aids and malaria alone will reduce gross domestic product in major sub-Saharan African countries by 20 percent or more by 2010”, ... “Africa will experience enormous population impacts that could directly alter security such as in “South Africa… the population is projected to drop from 43.4 million in 2000 to 38.7 million in 2015.”
HIV will “hurt prospects for transition to democratic regimes as they undermine civil society, hamper the evolution of sound political and economic institutions and intensify the struggle for power and resources...” warned the US National Intelligence Council…
US presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (D-MA) asserted that countries hard-hit by HIV, ‘could well become the home basis for terrorists or criminal elements looking for a safe haven, or even for those trading in weapons of mass destruction.”
Indeed, the above assessments, published in Laurie’s 2005 report, were proven highly accurate and are turning into reality in South Africa today.
Undoubtedly mostly due to the Aids epidemic which is steadily killing off much of the Xhosa-run leadership, the entire country is now also being plunged into incredible turmoil, with its defence- and police forces suffering from massive Aids infections and unable to protect the population from South Africa’s vast number of criminal gangs, many with international crime links ranging as far afield as China, Colombia, the Middle East and Nigeria.
The current black political leadership, comprised of Xhosa-tribalist elitists—and who all have free access to free antiretroviral medication - is embroiled in increasingly violent struggles which can no longer be ignored as even the lowest-level ANC-members now are killing each other off in the battle for the best jobs.
And caught in the middle of this terrifying carnage is the small ethnic-European minority of South Africa which ran it so well only a decade earlier, the Afrikaners.
Afrikaner families are not only being targetted by a constant stream of heavily-armed criminal murderer/rapist gangs everywhere they live, but also face the fact that the Xhosa-leadership has also turned at least 450,000 of the 3-million Afrikaners into homeless destitutes within just ten years with a vast array of “racial purity” laws which bars Afrikaners from participating in any kind of self-supporting activity.
Even the best-educated Afrikaners are being barred, by a vast array of racial-purity laws, from accessing most of the South African labour market, and are specifically being barred from land ownership only because they are “whites”.
At the most recent land summit, the ANC-regime has made it very clear that Afrikaner landowners are staring expropriation in the face.
It now no longer matters whether Afrikaners are seen to willingly “cooperate with land-reform’ or not - Afrikaner-owned land in the cities and in the countryside alike, will be expropriated and given to blacks, many from other parts of Africa.
And with Afrikaners now increasingly being kicked out of their homes and jobs - their only future is destitution and disenfranchisement.
Posted by Adriana Stuijt on August 16, 2005, 12:46 PM | #
“Genocide” -
the world’s top expert on the subject of genocide, the American legal expert Dr Gregory Stanton of the International Campaign to Prevent Genocide, warned in 2002 that a “Boer Genocide” was very close. He used to term “genocide” quite specifically in his report, which is located on http://www.genocidewatch.org/BoersSlain01.htm. He also elaborated on this term in relation to the Boer/Afrikaner nation’s current plight in subsequent TV interviews, among others on the documentary “A Bloody Harvest” and which interview can be seen on the internet via the front page of the website http://groups.msn.com/censorbugbear
Dr Stanton has been investigating genocides since the Pol-Pot horror in Cambodia. We believe that if he feels justified in using the term “Boer Genocide”, it would be difficult to argue. He writes that just because the number of people involved are relatively small when compared to the rest of the population (there are only 3-million Afrikaners) this does not mean that a genocide cannot occur.
Posted by Zamboonian on August 26, 2005, 06:01 AM | #
I’ve been enjoying the joys of a REAL civil society for the past 4 months, living in Canada, on a 2 year work permit. The absence of burglar bars in general adds to the sense of safety here. I find it bizarre that I’ve accepted the ‘siege mentality’ as normal, that one has to adopt in South Africa.
I’ve experienced living in South West Africa during the Angolan Conflict, then relocating to South Africa when SWAPO were given the country on a silver platter.
Unfortunately I have to agree with the message conveyed via this website… it truly has become dangerous living in South Africa. Whether it be urban or rural living. I found the daily need to be mentally aware of one’s surroundings too taxing. My past experiences in South West Africa paled in comparison to the very real threat of crime / violence I’ve experienced AND SURVIVED as the years moved further and futher away from 1994.
I very much welcomed the ‘changing of the guard’ in ‘94… but by 1998 I started realizing the extent of the changes.
Affirmative Action has only led to confusion - how does it fit in with the notion of ‘The Rainbow Nation’? Am I welcome in South Africa, or not? I would appreciate a straight answer.
In closing I can add my definite support to many of the views expressed on majorityrights.com and find it unfathomable that since the 1994 elections the situation for all races have deteriorated.
Posted by Winston Zwanenburg on October 08, 2005, 06:05 PM | #
Ek glo ons moet hierdie bloedstorting sien as ‘n wakkerskrik, dat ons nie ons geskiedenis moet vergeet nie, en op internasionale standaard moet stry vir ons taal, en wie ons is apart van apartheid.
I believe this bloodshed should be seen as a wake-up, that we musn’t forget our history, and we must negotiate at international standard for our language, and who we are, outside scope of apartheid.
Posted by Jan Nieuwenhuizen on January 08, 2006, 04:23 PM | #
A bit late in the response as we usually are, you see we lived under oppression for decades before we moved in an orderly fashion called “Die Groot Trek” after this we where interned into concentration camps and disenfranchised we lost 27,000.00 Burgers in these camps (by the by only 2000 of these where adults). We bought our land the same way the Americans and Australians bought their`.
The difference is we did not want to speak English and we did not kill everyone who stood in our way nor did we make our landlords alcoholics by kicking crates of whiskey of our wagons and poisoning their drinking water or handing out blankets ridden with smallpox after we killed thier livelyhood.
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No we did none of that and if those “well informed people” use their infinite and rounded knowledge they would know that the Boer nation was not the only ones who where interned in concentration camps but so where the farm workers brown, black, pink and yellow. And in 1914 the Boers where shown they have no autonomy when they where imprisoned by the Afrikaner troops because the Boer would not fight the Germans in Namibia.
So you see hardship is not new, development is not hard, being left alone and being a bit backwards is sometimes a blessing but be aware we will only suffer for decades and we have nowhere to trek too.
Finally when you tuck your kids in tonight you can tell them the story of Annie Winterbach, she was in the Bloemfontein concentration camp in 1902 when her little 3 year old brother Jannie died lucky for their family the British officers did not like the way the Bloemfontein town hall floor boards performed when danced upon so they replaced the old boards Boer hands laid for a Boer Republic and they very honorably sold these boards to the concentration camp families so they could burry their beloved children.
Baie Dankie
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 08, 2006, 05:39 PM | #
We in the U.S. have had forty-five million non-whites rammed down our throats in the past twenty-five years including twenty-two million Mexican illegals no one wanted but Bush insisted on letting in for some strange perverted reason no one understands—and we can’t get three million Boers out of the ANC South African hellhole at U.S. government expense, Boers who are our color, our kin, our co-religionists, and the most decent, hard-working, productive, salt-of-the-earth folk? We spend how many tens of billions-with-a-B every year on non-white legal and illegal immigrants brought in to race-replace whites and we can’t spend what it would take to bring these whites here who are being genocided where they stand, and support them till they learn the language and make a new start? We can’t do that, because of post-modern anti-Caucasian political realities? Alright then, at least let’s give them foreign aid and a flow of armaments to survive, defend themselves, and carve out their own white country down there on land that was empty when they settled it three-and-a-half centuries ago—land which they took from no one. It’s theirs.
We can’t do that for these people? Why are they being abandoned? Alright then, I don’t want to hear of anyone else’s genocide—because there’s a Boer genocide going on right now and no one in the white countries of the world cares about it. On the contrary, lots of them are actually cheering it on. When I hear about the Holocaust from now on I’m going to plug my ears—I don’t want to listen to hypocrisy, sorry.
The people in white countries running things in this way may have forgotten that the wheel turns, and when it does ... well, let’s leave it at that, shall we? It shouldn’t be too hard to guess the rest ...
No one told us when everyone was celebrating the ANC take-over that genocide of the Boers was part of the deal ... When you think about it, there’s actually a worldwide pattern of this sort of treatment of whites either wished for, or in the planning stages, or actually taking place right now as we speak. (And in the other thread you get this chap who’s seen Britain’s future in today’s London, been shocked by it, yet still is finicky about voting for the BNP, the ones who can keep that future from happening ...)
Posted by JOHN SMITH on March 14, 2006, 12:26 PM | #
ANTHONY C. LOBAIDO FROM THE SIERRATIMES AND WORLDNETDAILY IS OF LATINO JEWISH PARENTS AND HIS SO CALLED ADOPTIVE PARENTS ANTHONY SR. AND VIOLA LOBAIDO BRIBED OFFICIALS AND BLACKMAILED HIS REAL MOTHER IN OREDER TO STEAL HIM IN 1963. PLEASE ASK HIM AT TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT HIS MOTHER WHO IS IN NEED. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
Posted by Salahuddin Al Ayubbi on April 17, 2006, 06:43 AM | #
To Fred Scrooby,i think your view about 45m non whites & mexican illegal immigrants is just like the neo-nazis & whites so call supremacists view of the KKK.Why you whites are so worried?If you people claims to invent the whole technology for the benefits of mankind,i am sure there are non whites who contribute as well,only they did not boast like you whites people do.I had read view by the KKK & Nazis,although i did not support their ideology,but some of it is true.Its so hard in this days and age of technology,there still exists white people who always claim to be whites is bright,the west is bright.If my english is poor,i had no apology cause english is not my mother tongue.It is true the majority crimes commit in USA are by the blacks people.But this blacks people are different from blacks muslim.Just look at ANC rules at South Africa.Are they muslims?No,the answer you know yourself.I think the only solution for the so call whites Boer is either they migrate in large numbers to western nation or had a separate country of their own in South Africa.Lets the blacks ANC ruled the blacks of South Africa by themselves whether success or failure.In that case,nobody will hurt anybody anymore.I did not think racism had any benefits for mankind in this 21st century.But if i look at the non muslims blacks contribution to mankind,i think it is the lowest achivement compare to other non whites.And only in english there exists terminology such as coloured,brown,whites,brown etc.What for?If not to justify racism.
Posted by Eric on April 21, 2006, 09:06 AM | #
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Posted by j mchugh on April 01, 2007, 11:35 PM | #
I have a very close friend who is an Afrikaner emigre in England. Because of her I have investigated the situation in SA.
As a student of history, my advice to Afrikaners is to get out. You are as doomed as the white farmers in Zimbabwe. Perhaps you are too close to see, but from this distance it couldn’t be more clear. There is a tidal wave heading your direction, and nothing will stop it. There is no escaping the ultimate outcome, which will be either genocide or mass pauperizaton and emigration at gunpoint.
If you care deeply about preserving your culture, the only option is to create enclaves in either Australia or the United States. Perhaps that is not practical. In that case, save yourself and your family. Liquidate any any assets you have and move to one of those places. Never mind the loss you take on those assets - to the extent they are in the form of realproperty they are doomed anyway.
BTW, I am not a racist. My heart goes out to the black Africans who are doomed in another way, to live in hopeless kleptocracies run by and for gangs of thugs. I can’t do a damned thing for them, though, and they don’’t care what I think. No reason for you to care, either, but perhaps someone might appreciate a dispassionate view from afar.
Best wishes, and sorry for the gloominess of this epistle, but it’s the truth that’s gloomy, my friends.
JM
Posted by Kendall Pieterse on June 21, 2007, 10:15 AM | #
I am living in South Africa at the moment… I am an english speaking white south african.. i agree...whites need to get out of South africa… genocide is happening all around us… Truthfully i have only recently become well aware of the genocide on boer farmers and i Live here.
That shows you how much the media is so limited by the government to let these incidents be known by other south africans. I have vaguely heard about it, that they want the land from the farmers but i haven’t heard about the terrible murders of boer farmers.
Most whites have immigrated back overseas, some to New Zealand, Austrailia, USA, England. The problem is is that these countries make it so hard for you to immigrate. You work on a point system or you have to have birth certificates of your mothers mothers and granny’s mothers etc. enabling you to get some sort of ancestral visa.. come on .... we white aren’t we and we have white surnames, should that not be enough to allow us back into our ancestors countries of origin?
Look i believe that this country does belong to the blacks, it is there country. Whites DON’T belong here. We all where placed in certain parts of the world then of course our ancestors had to get itchy feet and go shipping off all over the world and intrude on other countries.
I blame our ancestors for putting us here and now their countries of origin make it very difficult for us to go back.
Please… countries need to help these boer farmers and this is just the start of it… i believe the killing off of white people here is going to get worse. We need to start getting out now while we still can.
Posted by PF on June 21, 2007, 06:15 PM | #
Look i believe that this country does belong to the blacks, it is there country.
Each country belongs to it’s strongest tribe, that’s natures law.
Posted by lorraine on November 11, 2007, 08:24 AM | #
Whites should not have been there to start with.it is not their country.
Posted by Lurker on November 11, 2007, 07:19 PM | #
“Whites should not have been there to start with.it is not their country.”
Lorraine, if thats your view then we have to be consistent. I wont be expecting a squeak out of you if the US decides to deport every non-white or Europe does the same. Youre happy with that? Good. Or do I hear the sound of a double standard rumbling into place.
Posted by ben tillman on November 11, 2007, 07:41 PM | #
South Africa was essentially unpopulated when Europeams arrived. The blacks who are there are there because whites made it possible for them to live there.
Posted by Adriana Stuijt on January 04, 2009, 09:42 AM | #
My contact details have changed. The Afrikaner Asylum seekers’ organisation has disbanded because the personal costs just got too high. I still maintain the Boer genocide statistics on the following two data bases: http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com and http://afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com The MSN Groups website http://groups.msn.com/crimebustersofsouthafrica archives with their more than 600 members, will disappear from the internet in February—because MSN has decided to close them all down. We thus have lost the entire membership which worked so hard to maintain these archives since 2001. We have now transferred all those archives and they can be accessed without having to become members. I can be directly contacted at or telephoned in The Netherlands at 31 519-701266.
A committee is now being formed in The Netherlands with an eye to formulate and lodge genocide charges and human-rights violation charges in The Hague against specific South African leaders. Anyone with legal experience who would be able to donate precise documentation is welcome to write me. Also very welcome would be FIRST-person accounts from victims of farm attacks, preferably with copies of police dockets, photographs etc. and also a description of the aftermath of such attacks, i.e. did you lose your land and income, did you lose jobs, how many people you ‘d had in your employ have lost their jobs as a result, etc.
I urge everyone everywhere to please help us in formulating these charges. Please send us as much VERIFIABLE documentation as you can, preferably with the documentation from police investigations etc, and court cases, copied for our files.
Ons moet almal saamstaan en hierdie manier is ‘n wettige manier om terug te baklei!
Posted by Guest on January 05, 2009, 01:37 AM | #
I used to be such a romantic about Rhodesia and South Africa. I had longed to live there. In fact when a friend went to Rhodesia to fight the terrs I envied him. Sadly he lost his life to a landmine and in one sense he never had to suffer the disappointment, the appalling reality of the beautiful land handed over to the black marxists. When South Africa joined with the English and the Americans in destroying Rhodesia I scarcely could credit it. Yet it did happen.
I had been so impressed how those immaculately uniformed Boer and English SA Policemen were able to keep a lid on that nations creatures. Then something happened.
Years of Jews like Helen Suzman, the Oppenheimers, Joe Slovo, and the SABC and the newspapers took their toll.
Perhaps. Perhaps the genetic stock had become tainted, degraded over the years, like American whites. In any event in 1994 Whites voted their own genocide in RSA.
Just as 45% of the whites in America did in November 2008.
This is about evolution.
Whites of our view grew up in the same milieu as the lemming whites yet we can see reality where they cannot.
Studies on twins have demonstrated that politics is GENETIC. I believe this to be the case.
Out of this threshing will be a new species an AWARE White community.
THEN we can begin, but not until the chaff is consumed by the hordes. They are food, prey, waiting for the predators they so love and admire.
The villains are not the Jew, nor the black, etc., no it is those amongst us who collaborated, who embraced, who identified with the White genocide.
Traitors are the enemy, ultimately, otherwise our people could NOT HAVE FALLEN.
Posted by Ryder on January 05, 2009, 02:12 AM | #
Traitors are the enemy, ultimately, otherwise our people could NOT HAVE FALLEN.
Yep, that’s about the size of it. That’s certainly true of the active traitors amongst the leadership, the ones who eagerly and aggressively seek to dispossess their own people. Ted Kennedy, et al.
As for the general run of white idiot, the typical Kwan, things are a little less certain. On the one hand, these people lived for generations without mixing with non-whites. Many of the white trash that mix with blacks and mestizos descend from families that were ardent segregationists. Grandpa was solid, but Cassie the Race Mixing Slut is not. So, clearly, culture and propaganda can have a big effect. No doubt about it.
BUT, but… I still can’t shake the idea that some of it is genetic. There may well be a strain of whites that are fine as long as social institutions are strong and provide them with clear and positive standards to uphold. Under such conditions, they can thrive and be real assets to their people. But it seems that when those solid conditions are broken down, as in the Kwa, some people are much more susceptible to race mixing than others. Some jump the fence very, very quickly. Like you, I suspect that there is a real genetic component (I also suspect that there are other components as well, such as broken families, crummy fathers, and what not).
Over the eons, whites have been able to survive the predations of wild beasts and of nature itself. Today the threats aren’t wolves or harsh winters, but MTV and public school indoctrination. Why are some whites more immune to these threats than others? The white slut that we see on the streets had ancestors that survived and thrived in the harshest conditions, fending off everything from wolf packs to Mongol hordes. Yet she gets taken down by MTV? Again, it seems likely to be at least in part genetic. I’m increasingly persuaded that a large segment of whites are simply not built to survive the new threats of our age. It’s sad that a family line that survived the harshness of history ends up getting taken down by Summner Redstone, but there you have it. Different environment, different threats, and some people just aren’t built to survive it.
If this is the case, what we are witnessing is a culling of the herd. The weak, those most susceptible to alien propaganda, will fall by the wayside and be absorbed into the non-white masses. Those that are left will be a stronger genetic strain.
That’s the good news. The bad news is that social conditioning is powerful, and just as positive social conditioning allowed the grandparents and earlier ancestors of today’s race mixing trash to live decent lives, it likely can get strong enough, given enough generations, to overcome even the stronger strain of whites.
This is why we need to make real progress SOON. The whites that have already fallen off the earth? Good riddance to bad rubbish. But if things go on too much longer, it’s going to start cutting into more and more good stock. And the end result of that, of course, is complete marginalization and then extinction. In sum: there is some good news here, but it should in no way lead to complacency. We need to get some momentum going.
Posted by Ryder on January 05, 2009, 02:21 AM | #
The villains are not the Jew, nor the black, etc., no it is those amongst us who collaborated, who embraced, who identified with the White genocide
Just to clarify a point that I failed to make in the previous post: any people that are hostile to whites ARE villans. But it is the white traitor and the clueless white idiot that allows these villains to triumph. More about that in my post above.
Posted by Ex ISKCON robot on January 05, 2009, 02:58 AM | #
Whites should leave South Africa. They have no business being there in the first place.
That being said, the exit should be aided and faciliated via peaceful Kumbaya style means.
I do not condone violence, but we know that life is not fair.
My condolences to the family members of the victims. I’m surprised most of them have not packed up and left by now. What are they hanging around for? More of the same?
Posted by Guest on January 05, 2009, 05:47 AM | #
Ryder you made excellent points. I do, of course, as you also, realize that our race DOES have the enumerated enemies. However as both of our statements also express those enemies would not be capable of defeating the White race save for the enemies having a 5th Column amongst our own people. These are indeed dark times and it is FATE that will determine it ultimately.
We need our people to infiltrate the citadel of the enemies and of the traitors.
We also need a miracle.
A man against time.
Posted by Sarah Briggs, white durban resident on January 15, 2009, 03:54 PM | #
You are all insane. hopefully those of you who currently live in South Afica, will shortly emigrate and leave real south african to build our nationa. meanwhile, you are all doing a good job of upholding the USA image of being ignorant and prejudiced… God Bless America
Posted by Lurker on January 15, 2009, 04:31 PM | #
Sarah, don’t even know whether to believe you. You tenuous grasp of English makes me suspicious, white South Africans usually seem well educated to me. Furthermore, why do you think everyone here is from the USA? That lack of comprehension is also suspicious.
Anyhow if you are what you say you are, you are only fooling yourself.
Posted by Sarah on January 16, 2009, 04:43 PM | #
Dear Lurker
I am a white African - bet that blows your mind. Believe me. So you can put your paranoia away, I am not a black person masquerading as a white person in order to converse with white supremacists. Although, imagine if I was...? Oh my God, the enemy are EVERYWHRE!!! You white supremacists must have difficulty getting to sleep at night, what with the constant terror you evidently feel.
As for the American issue… well, if you’re not from the USA then my apologies. To the USA, obviously.
Posted by Lurker on January 16, 2009, 05:04 PM | #
I am a white African - bet that blows your mind.
Not really, you can say it, doesnt make it true. We are talking about race here, not nationality, ultimately though blacks aren’t going let you use that self-classification are they.
I am not a black person masquerading as a white person
It had crossed my mind.
in order to converse with white supremacists
I’m not sure that everyone here would classify themselves as a supremacist, though white people do have an embarrassing large amount to be supremacist about.
what with the constant terror you evidently feel
I wouldn’t say terror. Grim foreboding perhaps. The west is falling apart and we are assailed both from without and within. Clearing up the mess wont be pleasant. The blacks, hispanics, muslims etc we can deal with like just that when the time comes, just a technicality really. Well behaved asians I dont think represent a problem either, they are pragmatic and will just go with the flow. Its the other internal elements Jews and the traitors like your good self, I think thats where the heartache will be.
Posted by Lurker on January 16, 2009, 05:28 PM | #
Sarah, I take it this you in the comments, quite the little ANC parrot arent we.
Posted by realist on January 16, 2009, 06:54 PM | #
Sarah is either a black, mixed, married to or has family who are black, young ideologue, or a real liberal idiot.
She cannot, in good faith, defend the complete collapse of SA and claim it is better than before as many blacks yearn for the old days. She’s either an idiot or a liar.
Maybe she can tell us how things are so much better, in her opinion...oh, here is a blurb from lurker’s link:
The current government is far from perfect & could definitely improve, but it has delivered a great deal (houses, water, equality, etc)
LOL Houses are on par with water and “equality”? For sure a liar or an idiot.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 16, 2009, 07:07 PM | #
Good pick-up, Lurker. It must indeed be the same Sarah.
Durban, by the way, is become like Detroit: from all reports, unfit for white habitation. It used to be a garden spot.
So did Detroit.
Sarah, are you in a mixed-race marriage or relationship, or have you mixed-race children?
We know Sarah can’t be Jewish because 1) Jews just like to inflict race-replacement on Euros, they don’t actually like to continue dwelling in race-replaced neighborhoods their diabolical activities have created, and 2) after forcing race-replacement on South Africa’s Euros all the Jews promptly cleared out, departing for Israel, Britain, Australia, the States, etc. Jews just want to totally ruin a place, they don’t want to live in a place after they’re totally ruined it and made it unfit for human (i.e., H. sapiens sapiens) habitation. So we know Sarah isn’t Jewish.
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By the way, on a different topic: How can I be certain that I’m ignorant and stupid? I can be certain of it thanks to this, which I just saw at the TimesOnline site:
“If you think that it’s all right to call someone a Paki you’re ignorant or stupid”
-- Murad Ahmed
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 16, 2009, 07:08 PM | #
I hadn’t seen “realist’s” letter just above mine; I agree with it one hundred percent.
Posted by Sarah Briggs, white durban resident on January 16, 2009, 07:16 PM | #
No Lurker, it must be a different Sarah - what do you know, I’m not the only one! Oh dear, there goes your theory.... incidentally, I think you need to re-examine your setreotypes - black does not = ANC and vice versa. I suggest you understand your topic fully before you make statements. If you’re going to be a bigot, at least be a knowledgeable bigot.
Posted by sarah on January 16, 2009, 07:19 PM | #
Again, not my link - but I support the comments. By the way, Fred, none of your assumptions about my ethnic heritage, family relationships or philosiphies are true… I guess your stereotypes just don’t equipped you to win this argument. Care to guess again?
Posted by sarah on January 16, 2009, 07:20 PM | #
Oh Lurker, now you’re googling my name? May I suggest you get a hobby?
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 16, 2009, 07:23 PM | #
Don’t come into my country, Murad Ahmed, and tell me what I can or can’t call you. In my country I’ll decide what I’ll call you, especially if it’s a perfectly polite nickname like “Paki” — nothing wrong with that word whatsoever — and if you don’t like it you can go home. My country is like my house. I call the shots in my house, not guests. You don’t like that? There’s the door. Moreover, English is my language, not yours. I won’t go into your country and presume to tell you what to do, whom to like, or how to talk; don’t you come into mine and do it, please.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 16, 2009, 07:28 PM | #
“Fred, none of your assumptions about my ethnic heritage, family relationships or philosiphies are true” (—Sarah)
Well thanks, dear — that narrows things down to “realist’s” conclusions then:
“For sure a liar or an idiot.”
That’s a help. Mystery solved!
Posted by sarah on January 16, 2009, 07:30 PM | #
Um, Fred.... You do realise you are posting to someone, Murad Ahmed, who WILL NEVER READ WHAT YOU SAY? Now, does that make sense?
Posted by Sarah on January 16, 2009, 07:39 PM | #
Dear Realist
Unfortunately for your theory, I am none of those things. In fact, I have a completely white, Afrikaner heritage and so does my husband, and we have a 100% Afrikaans surname.. in fact, I bet I speak Afrikaans better than you do, as I attended an Afrikaans school. I am like thousands of other white and black Afrikaaners who don’t feel so insecure about themesleves that fear in the form of racism is the foundation of their identity.
So, my suggestion is that you educate yourself about why Apartheid never worked - I suggest you read a book called Hard Right about the political and economic realities of the right wing in South Africa - and then come back and have an intelligent discussion with me instead of spouting brainless rhetoric.
Something else that affects your argument - until you get some Afrikaans credentials, don’t presume to make comments about Afrikaners - verstaan jy, boet?
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 16, 2009, 07:42 PM | #
That’s all right, dear, maybe someone will e-mail it to him.
By the way, how do you keep from being raped? Do you have to wear one of those contraptions, worn internally by the woman, that lacerate the Negro’s dick, which we saw in the news not too long ago when the inventer put out a press release? Do you judge that to be a civilised way for women to live, having to put one of those things “in” whenever they go out?
And how do you keep from getting car-jacked? Is your car equipped with a set of those sideways-shooting flame throwers we also saw advertized, that dissuade Negroes from jacking your car when it’s stopped for a red light? Pretty expensive to have to always buy a car with that installed, no? The dick-lacerator, the side-ways flame thrower, and what else do you need to survive in Durban?
Posted by Dave Johns on January 16, 2009, 08:14 PM | #
Question: Why do sadomasochistic sickos like Sarah love living under their new openly-anti-white government?
Answer: Because they’re sadomasochistic sickos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFj0HdW2iDs
Pukebag manufacturers just love “people” like Sarah.
Posted by realist on January 16, 2009, 09:42 PM | #
Dear sarah,
Denial is not only a river in Africa, is it?
Unfortunately, the facts betray your words.
Black Africans account for 68.30 percent of the population, followed by Asians or Indians at 19.90 percent, Whites at 8.98 percent and Coloureds at 2.89 percent. 48.9 percent of the population is under the age of 24, while 4.2 percent are over the age of 65. The median age in the city is 25 years old, and for every 100 females, there are 92.5 males. 27.9 percent of city residents are unemployed. 88.6 percent of the unemployed are black, 18.3 percent are Coloureds, 8.2 percent are Asians or Indians, and 4.4 percent are White.[5]
Although the vast majority of visitors complete their travels in South Africa without incident, visitors should be aware that criminal activity, often violent, occurs routinely. Notwithstanding government anti-crime efforts, violent crimes such as armed robbery, carjacking, mugging, “smash and grab” attacks on vehicles, and other incidents are regularly reported by visitors and resident Americans.
Visitors and residents are advised of ongoing criminal activity involving organized crime gangs targeting individuals at shopping centers and other public places. Once a victim has been identified, he/she is followed back to his/her residence and robbed, usually at gunpoint, although the use of force is generally reserved for those offering some form of resistance. These gangs tend to target people appearing to be affluent, including those driving expensive cars, wearing eye-catching jewelry, flashing large amounts of cash, and/or making high-value purchases. Criminals also gravitate towards “soft” targets – people who appear preoccupied and do not pay attention to their immediate surroundings. Visitors who believe they are being followed should travel directly to a police station or other public location.
Motorists are urged to be extremely cautious when approaching intersections and to hide bags, cell phones, and other valuables from view. Criminals are on the lookout for valuable items they can see through car windows (see mention of “smash and grab” under traffic safety). Doors should be kept locked and windows rolled up at all times.
Crimes against property, such as carjacking, have often been accompanied by violent acts, including murder, when victims resist or are slow to respond to attackers’ demands. South Africa also has the highest incidence of reported rape in the world. Foreigners are not specifically targeted, but several have been the victims of rape. Victims of violent crime, especially rape, are strongly encouraged to seek immediate medical attention, including antiretroviral therapy against HIV/AIDS. Questions about how to receive such treatment should be directed to the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate.
You were saying you deluded, filthy liar?
Posted by Captainchaos on January 16, 2009, 11:36 PM | #
Sarah,
I’ll ask you a direct question and I expect a direct answer: Do you support the right of the European peoples to their genetic continuity (their right to exist) and the necessary means to ensure their genetic continuity? Yes or no? If “no”, then you are an anti-White genocidalist.
Posted by Lurker on January 17, 2009, 02:20 AM | #
Capt - I should have mentioned that, sorry for dropping the ball.
So Sarah that wasn’t you in The Times comments. That means there are two Sarah Briggs’ in Durban who are both white sellouts. What are the chances of that...?
Of course one of you could just be using the others name. We know your name isnt really Briggs. Because, as you said:
we have a 100% Afrikaans surname
and Briggs is not an Afrikaner name.
Posted by sarah on January 17, 2009, 03:45 AM | #
Dear Realist
Everything in that extract you have posted is true. In what way does that make me a filthy liar? I am afraid that I fail to see the link.
Posted by sarah on January 17, 2009, 03:52 AM | #
Dear Captain
Is this a cunning plan to get me to admit that I am not a white supremacist? I though I had made that clear - or are you just a bit slow on the uptake? As for genocide, and specifically boer genocide, please bear in mind that you don’t know my views on this issue and you are clearly making assumptions that ONLY a white supremacist can understand the concept of genocide of afrikaaners, and therefore I don’t. Wrong.
Posted by Sarah on January 17, 2009, 03:57 AM | #
Dear Lurker… sigh. You really should let this go. In a city of three million people, where the majority of whites are not racists, the chances of two people with the same name who share the majority view are good.
My married surname is Van der Merwe; the same, coincidentally, as my Grandmother’s maiden name.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 17, 2009, 03:59 AM | #
Sarah you are a race-replacement advocate, therefore a supporter of genocide.
Posted by sarah on January 17, 2009, 04:17 AM | #
One other thing regarding my experiences of crime - I have never been raped, mugged, attacked at home or outside my home, had someone try to hijack me or steal my car when I am not in it. None of these things have ever happened to any of my family or friends. These terrible things do happen here, but not on the scale you seem to believe.
So, perhaps realist, Lurker, and Captain should come clean about where they live?
Posted by sarah on January 17, 2009, 04:21 AM | #
Fred, you’re still spouting rhetoric instead of making a rational argument.
Posted by Lurker on January 17, 2009, 04:31 AM | #
My married surname is Van der Merwe
So why call yourself Sarah Briggs then, which just happens to be the same name of another shrill white sell out in Durban, again, what are the chances...?
According to this, there are only thirteen Briggs listed for Durban, not very scientific I’ll admit but two Sarah Briggs as ANC advocates, your breezy talk of the majority view in Durban doesnt quite add up there does it.
Van der Merwe, is more common in Durban than Briggs, going by the phone book, why didnt you post under that name?
Posted by Sarah on January 17, 2009, 04:35 AM | #
OH boy.... my maiden name is Briggs, I still use it quite often. And that is the last thing I am going to say on this frankly silly and off-the-point issue. So where are you from, Lurker?
P.S. I am not listed in the phone book. Save yourself some effort.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 17, 2009, 05:03 AM | #
“P.S. I am not listed in the phone book. Save yourself some effort.” (—Sarah)
Don’t worry hun, we don’t look up bimbos in the phone book.
Posted by Sarah on January 17, 2009, 05:41 AM | #
If you read Lurker’s entry, you’ll see he HAS been looking me up in the phonebook, and has even provided a link to the electronic phonebook for Briggs’ in Durban - so apparently you DO look up people’s names. I think your friend Lurker needs a hobby....
Posted by realist on January 17, 2009, 06:53 AM | #
Everything in that extract you have posted is true. In what way does that make me a filthy liar? I am afraid that I fail to see the link.
Of course it is true, sarah. Why would I lie? I have the truth on my side and apparently that makes me racist and a white supremacist. How odd your logic is. Should we ignore the truth and use anecdotes in order to show how anti-racist we are, sarah? Would that make you happy?
You lie because you are the Sarah Briggs in Lurker’s link. The odds that two people from Durban named Sarah Briggs who roam the net searching for anti-SA attitudes are truly astronomical. Lucky us!! No, you are a liar, pure and simple.
You came here appalled at the writings about the Boer genocide and attempted to paint of picture of harmony and non-racist attitudes in SA. Another lie or wishful thinking at best. A city with the “highest incidence of reported rape in the world” is just fine and we are to ignore the crime around you because it has not affected you? I see. So whatever you have seen or done is now the new standard of what truly is in your world. That sounds like crazy talk, does it not, Sarah?
You also mention that you live in a city that has whites and blacks who are non-racist and want to be left alone to improve it. Improve it from what? SA was the jewel of Africa a few decades ago. What caused this rapid decline that you and your black spiritual brethren feel is in need of improvement?
Sarah, you are a fraud. Worse, you are a complicit genocidalist. How dare you lecture anyone here, murderer?
Posted by Sarah on January 17, 2009, 08:01 AM | #
LOL!!!! Listening to you is better than Month Python for hysteria and illogicality. In fact, I know someone who is just as clever as you are - Julius Malema, ANC youth league president. Look him up, you’ll see you are two of a kind.
Posted by Sarah on January 17, 2009, 08:07 AM | #
Sigh… Why would I lie about being Sarah Briggs? I have already said that I support her views. I would be proud to have posted that comment. Once again, you’re not being logical.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 17, 2009, 01:04 PM | #
“Why would I lie about being Sarah Briggs?” (—Sarah)
Dunno ... Same reason you lie about South Africa being an OK place to live?
(That last letter by “realist” was another great one, by the way.)
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 17, 2009, 01:07 PM | #
It’s crystal-clear, btw, that the two Sarah Briggses are one and the same, and this person is lying through her teeth.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 17, 2009, 01:08 PM | #
Probably she’s not white.
Posted by Dave Johns on January 17, 2009, 01:45 PM | #
Definitely she is not normal.
She has one purpose for coming here: that being to rub the ongoing genocide of whites in our face.
And Sarah, what on earth would make you think we would be interested in, or beleive, your obvious lies?
Posted by sarah on January 17, 2009, 03:07 PM | #
Still no logic, Fred. Try again. I’m interested to know, where do you live? How come you know so much about SA?
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 17, 2009, 05:23 PM | #
When you come across as believable I’ll reply to you, Sarah.
Posted by Lurker on January 18, 2009, 03:23 AM | #
Sarah - I didnt look in the Durban phone book to find you. I did it, as I’m sure must be obvious, to illustrate the relative rarity of Briggs as a surname in that area. I said it wasn’t scientific. An underlying assumption would be that many people are not listed in the phone book, but the rate at which people are listed/unlisted would be around the same for each name.
Taking that assumption on board; we can see, for example, that your married name is 14.5 times more common than Briggs in Durban. Add the first name Sarah and the general paucity of white south africans cheerleading for black rule in SA and...I think you will have a hard time persuading us that other Sarah Briggs isn’t you.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 05:54 AM | #
OK Lurker - so now we know that your statistical analysis is also a bit shaky. I might add that this sort of behaviour is generally viewed as a bit stalker-like… Are you South African?
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 06:03 AM | #
Fred, you are a coward.
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2009, 06:47 AM | #
Sarah, in your “mind” any claim to White racial solidarity is “supremacism” because, quite frankly, we don’t need non-Whites to maintain a first-world standard of living, but they need us. So, by keeping what we are capable of producing strictly for ourselves we would be denying non-Whites the fruits of “progress”, and that is a supremacist claim by your lights. Further, any claim to black supremacism is absurd, unless you consider mud huts to be superior to climate controlled sky scrapers.
That you coyly evade direct questions put to you by your interlocutors as they earnestly engage is no indication of your cleverness or vindication of your self-perceived feminine wiles; it is a sign of your abject imbecility.
Now, have you ever fucked a black guy? I just dying to know. See? I can play along.
Posted by Dave Johns on January 18, 2009, 10:58 AM | #
Hey, I thought I just caught a glimpse of Professor June Gorden, “The Mistress of Sophistry” ... that notorious impostor whose game is to appear on white preservationist websites for the purpose of agitating the commentariat.
But I could be wrong; maybe my vision is a bit fuzzy right now. Afterall, it’s 5:55 am where I am; I just woke up and haven’t had my coffee yet.
Posted by Guessedworker on January 18, 2009, 01:19 PM | #
According to IP Trace Sarah is legit, Dave. So let’s ask her a serious question - not about SA but about Europe.
Do native European peoples have the same moral right as the Zulu, Venda, Xhosa, Sotho etc in SA to reclaim control over their political lives and their homelands from a hostile neoliberal/neo-marxist Establishment that is pursuing a policy of native minoritisation and genocide?
Posted by Lurker on January 18, 2009, 02:26 PM | #
Im not stalking you Sarah, what I’m doing would be obvious to any person of average intelligence. If you cant see that you’re either stupid or being deliberately obtuse.
I’m not from SA, though Ive had English cousins that lived there and I’m of partly Dutch origin so possibly Ive got some distant rels there on that side of the family.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 03:38 PM | #
So.... you’ve never been to SA? You get all your info off the internet? Do you think that is realistic?
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 03:45 PM | #
If one group has a right, then all groups should have it. I don’t believe that any group has a right to claim superiority over any other - that is morally wrong. I am sure you don’t agree with me, so don’t waste your time ot mine explaining that you don’t agree with me.
It also economically and politically unrealistic to think that any country or territory will or can ever again be used or occupied by one exclusive ethnic group.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 03:47 PM | #
Dear Captain Chaos
I don’t remember ever discussing these issues with you or anyone else. I think you must be arguing with the voices in your head. Does anyone have any intelligent comments to make?
Posted by Darren on January 18, 2009, 03:51 PM | #
If one group has a right, then all groups should have it
I have no problem with letting Blacks have Africa, even if it means the whites must leave. But, at the same time, I would insist that Whites have an absolute right to maintain their majorities and their cultural dominance in their own lands (Europe).
It also economically and politically unrealistic to think that any country or territory will or can ever again be used or occupied by one exclusive ethnic group.
Why? Do you seriously believe that modern liberal society will last forever; that it is somehow the exception to the cyclical rise and fall of cultures and civilizations?
I would point you to many examples in Africa and Asia where the idea of mass immigration and racial pluralism are unknown to them and would resist quite strongly any attempts at displacing the majority.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 03:54 PM | #
Captain Chaos
What questions do you think I’ve been avioding, eh? Please provide a coherent list. However, I must bear in mind that if my answers don’t match your stereotypes you will simply disbelieve them, so why should I bother to answer? Another thing I don’t understand - why on earth do you think I’d be lying? What purpose would it serve?
As for my sex life, none of your business; I suggest you try something new and get your own.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 03:58 PM | #
Darren
First point - well you wouls say that, wouldn’t you, otherwise you wouldn’t be disagreeing with me, so thats a no-brainer.
Secondly - history shows us that closed societies that ignore market principles fail - two recent examples are Apartheid and communist USSR. That’s not a moral issue, that is a fact.
Posted by Darren on January 18, 2009, 04:03 PM | #
First point - well you wouls say that, wouldn’t you, otherwise you wouldn’t be disagreeing with me, so thats a no-brainer.
I believe in ethnonationalism; I am not quite sure what your quarrel with me for bringing that up.
Secondly - history shows us that closed societies that ignore market principles fail - two recent examples are Apartheid and communist USSR. That’s not a moral issue, that is a fact.
All societies rise and fall so that is a moot point.
Although there were many structural problems with the USSR, blaming their failure solely on their lack of “market principles” while ignoring the Cold War efforts is patently ridiculous.
A society can embrace “market principles” without sacrificing their cultural values or opening themselves up to becoming minorities in their own land with a diminished culture, so that is a false dilemma.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 04:12 PM | #
so… what happened to Apartheid?
Posted by Darren on January 18, 2009, 04:22 PM | #
I’m not trying to defend apartheid, but your thesis that the government of South Africa failed because of its lack of “market principles” doesn’t sound very accurate.
My knowledge is that SA was pretty prosperous with many industries, businesses, and booming global trade. Hardly comparable to the USSR by any means.
What about the United States? We had slavery up until Lincoln’s emancipation and were pretty well-off economically. America was pretty damn powerful before the 1960’s Civil Rights movements, before which blacks were legally second class citizens in many places.
Apartheid SA failed because of years of economic and political subversion, not because some inherent principle that racism (which you liken to Soviet economics) dooms you to failure.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 18, 2009, 04:23 PM | #
“[Racially/ethnoculturally homogeneous] societies that ignore market principles fail” (—Sarah)
We’re not talking about ones that “ignore [elementary economic and market] principles.” None of the ones we’re talking about fail. Did the U.S. fail prior to 1970 when the Jewish immigration law of five years earlier first began showing measurable effects on demographics? Did Europe fail prior to, say, 1985? Does Japan fail today? Does racially homogeneous China, which just overtook Germany as the third biggest economy on the planet, fail?
What fails are Negro and mulatto societies. Not one of them in recorded history has ever once been other than a basket case (if mulatto like today’s Egypt) or outright hellhole (if Negro like Haiti, Rhodesia, or every single other example in existence, now or ever).
Besides, we don’t like the way Negroes and mulattoes look. For that reason alone we reject mixing.
Have I been to The New & Very Much Kosher-Approved South Africa? No. So how do I know what I’m talking about in regard to Negroes? Because South African isn’t the only place that has them, hun. To take just one example, they have them galore in New York City where I grew up.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 18, 2009, 04:27 PM | #
Now don’t forget to activate your car’s sideways flame-throwers and wear your vaginal anti-rape insert when you leave your house, dear.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 18, 2009, 04:34 PM | #
The problem is Negroes are less evolved than whites. They look less evolved and act less evolved. And it’s inborn, so they’re stuck with it. They’re less fitted to life in civilization. They can’t cope.
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2009, 04:42 PM | #
I said: “Do you support the right of the European peoples to their genetic continuity (their right to exist) and the necessary means to ensure their genetic continuity?”
Sarah: “As for genocide, and specifically boer genocide, please bear in mind that you don’t know my views on this issue and you are clearly making assumptions that ONLY a white supremacist can understand the concept of genocide of afrikaaners, and therefore I don’t.”
I don’t know Sarah, my question to you was very precisely worded. You could have replied with a “Yes, I do support the right of the European peoples to pursue their genetic continuity.” or with “Just what means would be necessary to ensure the genetic continuity of the European peoples.” or “What do you mean by genetic continuity?”. Did you? No. You gave me the above vague pablum. Are you trying to be sneaky? Or are you sure it"s me who is slow on the up take?
“I don’t remember ever discussing these issues with you or anyone else.”
I don’t recall asking your permission to discuss certain “issues”?
“I think you must be arguing with the voices in your head.”
LOL! It they say, I must obey.
“Does anyone have any intelligent comments to make?”
If you paint over the Mona Lisa (no, not you, starlet) it is no longer the Mona Lisa; if you mongrelize the White race to the point that the self-same genetic stock of, say, a thousand years ago, is no long around, you will have, in effect, destroyed the White race. That is GENEocide. Savvy?
“What questions do you think I’ve been avioding, eh?”
Covered that.
“Please provide a coherent list.”
See above, though not exhaustive.
“However, I must bear in mind that if my answers don’t match your stereotypes you will simply disbelieve them,”
Oh God, that was a floater. I can see it sailing over the fence now. Just how do you suppose I might turn that one around on you?
“...so why should I bother to answer?”
So you are being evasive. Gee, I guess “the voices” were right.
“Another thing I don’t understand - why on earth do you think I’d be lying? What purpose would it serve?”
What purpose does evasion serve? Unless you just want to have a few laughs poking a dull (no, not sharp) stick at the evilnaughtynaziracists.
“As for my sex life, none of your business;”
You don’t want me asking questions about your “business”, which is “sex”? How much is “business” paying in SA these days? LOL! Fair enough.
“I suggest you try something new and get your own.”
Done and done.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 05:28 PM | #
Dear Captain
You may of course discuss whatever issues you like; my point is that you were ascribiong comments to me that I did not make. By all means discuss them, but there do have to be at least two sides to a conversation, you know.
Posted by Guessedworker on January 18, 2009, 05:28 PM | #
Sarah,
Just to back up Darren’s point about the transiency of liberalism, right now we are NOT living in a liberal society but something transitional. The present political dispensation in the West is one of neoliberalism + neo-Marxism, or capital + social authoritarianism, or wage-slavery + European race-replacement, depending upon where you are standing. As surely every thinking person knows the elites are engineering a world of deracinated and divided, dumb and compliant consumers. That is how the great symphony of European history is to end - over the next 50 to 100 years. The signs are everywhere, if you look:-
Now, I take it you are not indifferent to this. But there is no form of liberal politic which can overturn it, and no way of overturning it that is not constructed out of the desire for Europeans to live sovereign and free in their own ancestral lands. In other words, only the radical right can oppose neoliberalism + neo-Marxism. When you oppose us, you are, in fact, opposing the very weak light of hope for our people.
It is not a small thing to wish a people to live. Like most who are emotionally committed to the ghost of liberalism, you, who don’t, really, really need to renew your value system, and place our survival in perpetuum at its apex.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 05:30 PM | #
So you’ve never been here and don’t know what you’re talking about - well, it shows. I’m still waiting for an intelligent comment from you in particular Fred, instead of a boring re-hash of other people’s ideas. Am I wasting my time?
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 05:35 PM | #
Well, Captain Chaos, do you believe what I tell you about myself or don’t you? Yes or no, it’s not difficult? if you believe what I tell you, then I am happy to answer your questions about my relatives, friends etc.
As for the question “Do you support the right of the European peoples to their genetic continuity (their right to exist) and the necessary means to ensure their genetic continuity?” - well, duh!! I should think it’s quite obvious to anyone who reads my posts that I don’t - so yes, I do think you’re a bit slow on the uptake. I guess it’s all that incest and inbreeding you rednecks do - have you had sexual intercourse with your sister today? Or was it your brother?
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 05:40 PM | #
Dear Darren
For more on this subject I suggest you refer to parliamentary and electoral records, adn you will see that the primary motivation of both PW Botha and FW De Klerk for dismantling apartheid was purely because it was economically unsustainable for a number of reasons - the majority had no buying power, fake political boundaries affected the establishment of business, few people able to afford to pay tax etc etc. Not to mention the effects of sanctions and civil unrest. For this reason, although there was a lot of political support originally for the idea of keeping races separate, eventually the benefits (as perceived by the white population and the government) did not outweigh the costs.
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2009, 05:54 PM | #
Sarah: “You may of course discuss whatever issues you like; my point is that you were ascribiong comments to me that I did not make. By all means discuss them, but there do have to be at least two sides to a conversation, you know.”
The meta-issue is the slow-motion genocide that the White race is under going globally. South Africa is but a part of it, and salient because it can be taken as a good indicator of what will be in store for Whites once they are under the political control of non-Whites - globally. The only reason that South Africa’s economy functions at all with its glut of average 70 IQ Negroes is because it still has enough working - though decaying - infra-structure built and maintained by Whites; and because it is plugged into the global economy (in large part made possible by the hundreds of millions of Whites who live else where). Do you honestly believe your personal situation will have been improved in SA once Australia, New Zealand, Europe and America go non-White? No, of course not. You are a free-rider on the backs of White men who are required by you to give everything of themselves while expecting nothing, not even the small consideration of allowing them their peoplehood, in return. Why don’t you think about that long and hard before you come back with some bit of mindless fluff?
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 06:04 PM | #
Your peculiar theories on racism aside, you really haven’t responded to my point - which is that I never raised these issues in the first place. Never mind, you’ve obviously got a short attention span, probably a genetic defect as a result of your ever-decreasing family gene-pool.
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2009, 06:04 PM | #
Sarah: “I should think it’s quite obvious to anyone who reads my posts that I don’t...”
So you don’t support our right to exist and therefore wish upon us genocide, your own people. Justice be done, you would be thrown to the savages. There is nothing left to say.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 06:07 PM | #
Hey y’all, bet you must have been quite upset when Barack Obama was elected. Roll on Tuesday!
Posted by Darren on January 18, 2009, 06:10 PM | #
Sarah, I think we could take this discussion on the reasons for the fall of apartheid SA further to prove my point to a final conclusion, but its really easy enough to refer back to the United States.
How long did the US prosper under slavery?
How long did the US prosper under the Jim Crow era?
Did those two eras end because they were economically unfeasible (as you propose as a universal trait for all groups that practice such racial policies), or because of changes in cultural/social norms, especially among the ruling elite?
Furthermore, my point is simply to defend the right of European nations to maintain their ethnic and cultural homogeneity (what of it still remains) - not to defend the idea of enslaving or oppressing members of other racial groups.
You have failed to demonstrate with any concrete evidence that such policy would be the downfall of a nation. Instead of questioning Fred’s intelligence, perhaps you could address his pointing out of the fact that China, a largely homogeneous nation (admittedly some ethnic variation, but nearly all Asian, and dominated by the Han), is eclipsing the multiracial states of the west or Japan’s own economic success and productivity.
Your peculiar theories on racism aside, you really haven’t responded to my point
You’ve missed the point on what the main topic of this blog is about, apparently.
Posted by Captainchaos on January 18, 2009, 06:10 PM | #
Sarah: “Your peculiar theories on racism aside,”
Your points are non-points. I have surveyed the evidence that convinces me to a moral certainty that my views are correct. Have you read any of the scholarly literature showing the rock-solid genetic basis of intelligence and the differences in genetic intelligence between the races? No.
Until you do you are just wasting your time and the time of other. Good luck and good day.
Posted by Sarah on January 18, 2009, 06:11 PM | #
Dear Captain, all this melodrama! “Thrown to the savages”. I’m pretty sure, if you were thrown to any non-Europeans, they would throw you right back.
As for the right to exist, I’m not sure how you would intend to regulate that if you decided to take it away from some people. How’s that working out for you?
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